About the Ishin DLC Controversy
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To prevent anyone from mislabelling the DLC practices shown in the franchise as delibaretely malicious, here is a video analysing what the additional content includes, why people are angered by it and what we can do to avoid similar complications down the line. Support the games, not the industry-mandated practices. This goes for all of our favourite franchises. Thank you for your time.
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Songs featured in the video:
Like a Dragon: Ishin OST - For My Sake
Like a Dragon: Ishin OST - Pseudo Fight
Yakuza 7 OST - Triplet After Triplet (Overcoming the Dragon)
I do not own the footage shown in this video.
Please show your support to RGG Studios and SEGA for making this amazing series, as well as the many content creators that were here before me, and have kept this series alive for so long.
#yakuza #ryugagotoku #likeadragon #ishin #likeadragonishin #kiwami #discussion #dlc #controversy #explained #problem #rant
Please watch the video to its conclusion. This is not a critique of Ishin nor its creators. This is a critique of DLC practices that are forced onto everyone in the industry and what we can all learn from it. The DLC here has many missteps that I wish won't be repeated (or worsen) with new releases.
That being said, please keep the discussions in the comments civil.
And yes, I still think this is a game genuinely worth your time, but more on that when I make the full review.
Thank you.
What I'm not a fan of is all the customization being locked behind DLC. In other yakuza games, once you finish the story, you unlock several bonus outfits. In here, you can only switch between the normal outfit and the haori. You don't even unlock the black outfit Ryoma wore in chapter 1. If you want way more options, you gotta get the DLC. I mean, come on now.
I want that black outfit, but with the blue jacket
weird i can easily just mod it in on pc, seems like a peasant problem
@M.Grey not everybody's on PC. I'm on console. Plus it doesn't matter on what system you play, you should still unlock more stuff.
@@mijofalco6355 well i don't have this problem so good luck
@M.Grey nobody cares that you don't have it. You're entirely missing the point here. Don't brag because you're able to mod things. If you have to resort to modding things because the game doesn't give you what it should give you naturally, then there's a problem with the game.
Biggest controversy is the amount of visual bugs in the cutscenes
I saw T-Pose so many times in this ,,remake'', when original version don't have it.
@@nr2676 This game has more bugs than the entire series combined
@@manukau5271 Not only visual bugs but also for example: input lag in cutscenes (PS4 version) and bugs in minigames (infinite money from Chicken Race).
@@nr2676 I agree, but the chicken race but is a godsend lol
@@wpstudart500 Ironically the best bug = no grind
I don't care much for the crafting materials being one time use only, but I do think it's total nonsense that the cards with Ichiban and other bonus characters are one time only.
One of my biggest issues and fears about RGG is the change to UE which makes the games feel a lot clunkier and uglier when compared to the now refined DE.
It’s just for Ishin Kiwami, they’ll be going back to Dragon Engine for Gaiden and 8
@@JackInTheBack3359 Is it? I've read that it was a full transition to UE because it was old or something
@@arekkususenpai3708 At the moment they're thinking about going to UE, but Gaiden and Y8 will be Dragon Engine still
From what I understand they changed to UE just for Ishin because Dragon Engine isn’t good at daylight scenes, which Ishin is full of. I could be wrong though. Kinda happy they didn’t do Dragon Engine for Ishin Kiwami cause it meant we got one last game with the old pre dragon engine fighting, which is something I kinda miss sometimes.
@@yeehaw142 That's a relief then, i do not like how Unreal Engine looks at all lol
I always appreciate takes like these that are more calm and understanding of issues surrounding a game rather than blowing their gasket at the drop of a hat. Maybe I’m just getting tired of the overly-“opinionated” CZcamsrs that preach about stuff like this but are far more confrontational and hot-headed, if that makes sense
The difficulty one... is in fact an issue. It kinda reminds me of the Japanese dub DLC from Lightning Returns, where they charged you extra for the Japanese voices because... well, because, eh... Why did they charge you, again? It didn't cost 'em a single extra cent.
This is similar. The way they programme the Yakuza games, it's not like they put a ton of money into crafting the perfect difficulty mod. It's pretty ridiculous to make people pay for that.
As far as I know, isn't the Ishin difficulty unlocked when you beat the game as usual even without paying for DLC?
On another note, RGG actually released Lost Judgment on Steam with all its DLC (except Kaito's Files) already in the game like Boxing style, girlfriends, dogs, etc. so it's clear to me that RGG (at least) try to mitigate the damage of other games' DLC practice. I believe, as usual, the executives is to be blame the most but you made a great point comparing to the other industry. Well said!
It's weird that you have to download Ishin difficulty still. I didn't have it unlocked when I beat the game.
Boxer is unlocked already on PC?
Ishin move didn't unlock for me after finishing the game, and I even beat it on Legend
@@Boggy102 oh shoot that sucks, I didn't know that you need to download it too. I bought the game along with the Shinsengumi Captain Set so I never actually tested that
@@TrajGreekFire yes, the Steam version. along with the additional free extracts and materials. Judgment also included its dlc in the steam version
I really appreciate your passion on this and admire your optimism. You mentioned that you studied economics and I suspect that this model exists because the market can (sadly or fortunately, depending on your perspective) support it. That said, shoehorning gacha mechanics into story driven games always feels gross. It's yet another in a long line of examples of how "late stage capitalism" or whatever you want to call it is more concerned with tricking people into spending money than providing something cool, innovative, and of value to consumers. The lust for money has ruined many creative endeavors in the past, but I will carry your optimism that the powers at Sega will realize that optimizing art for profit is a short term, culturally shallow strategy. As much as I love RGG I won't support the art anymore if it gets too exploitative.
While I agree with what you said in this video, I don't think telling RGG fans to stop supporting microtransactions and lootboxes in Activision, Ubisoft, EA, etc. games will really accomplish anything since I don't there's much overlap between people who love RGG games and people who love those other companies games.
thats not entirely true? sure it might not be a one to one thing but thats not to say there arent fans of those company games at all
i was shocked when i saw how dlc worked in ishin which was unexpected for me
great video, i never understood why people were so pissed off about Ishin's DLC.
id say having to pay for Ishin difficulty does suck, but the way they handled the other DLC is great. Cosmetics really dont matter, it's not really extra content, and the total being only around 13 bucks is nice, and it gets you a lot, especially compared to some other companies and their DLC.
Stop supporting companies like Activision with their horrible battle passes, overpriced cosmetics and games fully built to keep people playing and nothing else (game literally fucks with your stats to make the game "fair to everyone" so bad players dont get frustrated and leave. it's a massive, frustrating rabbit hole).
Start supporting studios like RGGS who make their DLC affordable and not necessary to buy for the full experience, and who are genuinely passionate about creating art.
25 dollars in Call of Duty gets you a single pretty mediocre skin with maybe a useless gun and an account emblem.
5 dollars in Ishin gets you 16 alright to amazing looking cosmetics for not only the protagonist but tons of NPCs too, and an entire difficulty option (selling a difficulty may be bad but 5 bucks for all that is a steal).
RGGS is doing great. Huge respect to them.
big agree for the most part, especially with how often i see RGG games on sale (at least on playstation store) so you can probably get the digital deluxe for pretty cheap in just a couple months, only thing is, i heard for some reason you can't claim the consumable DLCs again on other save files for some reason even though you could in every other game, so that's a pretty lame and unnecessary change
other than that though, yeah it definitely could be worse, i just hope us buying this stuff doesn't convince them to cut more stuff for "DLC" in something like a kenzan remake and charge even more, that's when it'll be really out of hand and i'll be very sad if RGG ever gets to that point
I paid for the premium edition because I've been loving every single Yakuza game on gamepass for free and RGG deserved it. That being said a part of the appeal of the setting is being able to switch up my look. I don't think it should be paywalled especially in a single player game.
100% agree
Been watching your videos. Actual excellent content
I thought that Ishin Kiwamis DLC was pretty questionable but not really as bad as Y7 NG+, but if they pull an EA or Rockstar I’ll call it out.
Can you please help me?!
I bought ryoma growth support kit for around 10bucks
But i cannot claim them with a message it says: “you cannot take this item as it will exceed your inventory capacity”
What inventory is full? I have deleted so many items, the rest i cannot delete like materials or valuables
Is it possible to get the Japanese sword and cannon set?
This whole process of the DLC being usable only once is just baffling, really. Personally my issues with Ishin Kiwami more lie with it's gameplay changes, even if you don't use the cards, the game has been fundamentally changed to support them. And I don't care much for said changes, making bosses less aggressive and having them stagger less, for example. As well as the giant enemies, my vote for worst enemy type in the series, somehow outpacing those obnoxious grabbers in Kenzan.
They didn’t have to do Daigo like that
I have no idea how this channel only has 2k subs
A pretty reasonable take on the state of the industry and what it means for RGG! I did get all DLC since I bought the Digital Deluxe Edition, but I believe you are absolutely right that the best way to support the franchise is to show support for the games, and not for the DLC. Thankfully Ishin certainly doesn't feel gutted in terms of content, except for the extra difficulty level, but even that is outside of the usual line-up of options the games have.
Great video brother, god bless.
Ishin achieved the impossible in my opinion, in the form of a free DLC being capable of offending nearly everyone
Hello, everynyan!
@@manukau5271 oh my gah
The only dlc's that i like are story one like the kaito files
I always knew about the Majima saga in kiwami 2, and after I installed kiwami, I was so ready to go buy the Majima saga thinking it was a DLC. But honestly, I was absolutely surprised you unlock it for free while playing the main story. Also Majima using the Legend style throughout the game made it so easy to make money from beating up gangs, and you can send money to kiryu from Majima, which made getting money so easy also for the main story. So it’s absolutely baffling that in ishin you can’t even unlock an outfits (which was in the main story) unless you buy a DLC. But I absolutely don’t blame RGG for this change, the industry keeps putting profits before the experience, and RGG had given us so much experience for free and it’s time them to make the profit to keep up with the industry.
So you give them pass for charging us 6 bucks some pixels. Rgg stan spotted.
@@ExtremeMan10it’s shitty…but hey, at least it’s not the full price of a fucking AAA game, like activision’s COD and OW2 cosmetics. In Yakuza you pay 13$ dollars for a full DLC, while cod you pay 25$ for 1 mediocre skin. You tell me which one is more reasonable.
I wholeheartedly agree. I have enjoyed Ishin and I just refuse to buy into anything that involves the Purchasable consumables. I haven't even bought into the Deluxe upgrade because it involves the consumables. I'll get the Kiryu Skin if they ever make it purchasable separately. Gotta make a statement.
I understand making a statement. But RGG has sales like 90% of the time. I really don't think a couple bucks for dlc is all that horrible.
@@GamingFreakShow1991 I don't mind DLC if you get to reuse it on your saves. I dislike the idea of consumable dlc that when you use it on a save, it's gone for good and you have to buy it again to get it again. I especially don't like the idea of mixing it with the Deluxe edition. I'll buy the games and I'll buy stuff like Judgment's Deluxe Edition that had the story expansion, but I don't support support items like that in a single player game just to make the game easier.
@@mythriljojo Ishin does have content dlc. It's not big, but it's a pretty nice difficulty option. I'd say it's worth it.
7:13. Umm... that's been been an issue with the music industry for far longer than streaming services existed. Very few artists are "recovered" and actually make money from solely their music. The root still lies with artists giving away their musical rights with contracts they don't read.
I'm pretty anxious about it too. But no fret it won't happen in the short time.
i doubt rgg will go down that path, the series doesnt need that shit at all imo, its fine as is
Selling this game at full price and then nickel and diming your fans with dlc just feels like a kick in the nuts imo. The kiwamis continue to be the opposite of love letters to the original for me.
Not to mention that SEGA once again pulled the "if you don't pay us extra you aren't allowed to play the game on launch day" crap to nickel and dime streamers and those afraid of spoilers even more.
(they can call it "early access" all they want but that's not the reality of the situation, launch day is the day the game is first available to play and anything after that is delayed access, and I'll never stop calling out this business practice as long as it keeps happening)
Ishin difficulty with would have been acceptable with a good new story campaign
What do you mean "new story campaign"?
Did you want to play as the Battousai or something?
its just a difficulty man, and not even a good/fun one imo, enemies 3 hit you, you deal little to no dmg, your heals are actually nerfed, (and i think, dont know) item drop rates are lowered. Its just horrible and unfun.
@@manthemenace you also get ZERO heat. You can go an entire long battle *spoilers below* only filling 2 heat bars
(COUGH COUGH edo castle)
Thank you so much for pointing out this issue. I always got upset at people who hate on these games for the dlc decisions because like you said it’s a result of how the video game industry is now a days and not entirely RGG’s fault. I couldn’t have said it better myself man great job
will you make a video on poop mode
To be completely honest, this dlc issue didn't even register with me. I hate that I agree it sorta felt clunky overall. But that aside, I loved this game just as much as I loved all the other Yakuza/like a dragon titles. It's part bias, and part general appreciation for the variety and relatable absurdity. Thankfully the DLC is only a bonus and not mandatory to the full game experience. Tho those trooper card abilities and Y7 characters do feel necessary to own for completionists sake.
Combat and DLCs is somehow things that I don't like in the Kiwami version, still a great game.
The only thing im gonna leave on this video (and my venting out for discovering grind after grind after grind) but im not buying anymore ryu ga gotoku until they get their shit together (might be next game eho knows) but to me bad dlc is just the icing on the cake, alot of issue from this game comes down to "balancing issue" from some things that makes the fighting almost boring, which should be the most refined part of the game but i guess a remake couldnt add a combo breaker to swordman (since its already in the game) or better dodges from gunman (and not make it a fucking infinite gun, beyond getting carpal tunnel, i guess its funny) and just about every systems other than combat gives me carpal tunnel, could have use a couple more decades without it but thanks ryu ga gotoku,
all in all, once i get to do the only thing i wanted most from this game even before buying it (gotta feel the Amon experience), ill be taking a break from these games, guess i should have watched your review and left that comment over there but i had to vent before my last stretch of grind (unless the games pulls another *theres never an end to the pursuit of carpal tunnel*
I would never hate on rgg
Yeah, amidst all the shitshows we see out there it's all too easy to forget Sega/Atlus make good base games that you can still buy without supporting their stingy-ass DLC practices.
Buy the games, but skip the DLCs and microtransactions; speak through wallet.
I would gladly pay for the seals. The equipment completion makes me hate this game.
Thank you for hilighting this issue, i was genuinely disappointed when i saw the massive amount of dlc, things that would in previous games be obtained for free.
I'm simply not buying the extra stuff out of principle.
People complain about the Ishin dlc and not the whole call of duty trying to be like Fortnite
3:14 Nyanners???
yeah she's one of the cameo troopers
More than the crappy mats DLC and the amount of RNG in this game is baffling. Can breeze through the story but if you want to experiment builds with the crafting system, gotta grind harder than a shift at a sweat shop.
Okay I have a genuine question on the matter of microtransactions and the whole business surrounding them.
You say that if everyone collectively stops buying into mtx, random boxes and other shady shit, it'll push the market away from it. Now, as someone who has little to no knowledge in economics but is extremely pessimistic, isn't it also possible that investors decide that videogames aren't worth it when they're not raking in money hand over fist, and investing into videogames slowly starts declining and eventually stops?
Again, I have no knowledge of how the business side of gaming works and on a grander scale I don't care. But I've always wondered when people bring out the "speak with your wallet" argument that it might also go the opposite way of what everyone expects? Help?
I feel like the sole reason why the remade this game instead of just porting it over to the west was so they could justify the $60 price tag, and to include additional DLC. I think everybody would have been fine with a regular port of the game. I don't believe RGG Studio will permanently switch to Unreal Engine, especially considering that the Dragon Engine is still fairly new, but I'm certain they used UE for this game because it was easier for them to repackage assets from the original into this engine. The Kiwami games always seem to have less effort put into them.
dragon engine is 7 years old now most developers change engines by this time
Yeah
Not necessarily wrong either, Yokoyama had said part of the reason they made Ishin Kiwami was for the international fans that haven’t experienced the game.
@@dalelumina3 not entirely true at all, most developers UPGRADE their engines, just as RGG already has been, like for example, Rockstar has been using the same exact engine since 2006, the only reason it looks so insane now, is because they upgraded it, like every developer who creates their own game engine. There's a massive difference between upgrading your game engine and making or using an entirely different one. The only game developer I've ever known to be massively criticized for not actually upgrading or changing their game engine is Bethesda
@@JustinDown rockstar be the exception not the rule
I want a Yakuza 0 outfit in this game. It would have been cool.
You become so powerfull that ishin mode is easy mode
Hello, fellow Sega franchise fan.
What's that? Your community is upset because of some cosmetic DLCs? Understandable. It's just that my game isn't actually a game, but 3 fully priced games required to play the penultimate campaign, with several $10-20 DLCs for more factions, with a new $30 faction coming out soon.. I hate these practices.
I would say that it is malicious. How do I know it's malicious? They made microtransactions, put them as DLCs and didn't inform the consumer. Then they placed them as a value add (Aka justifying the price of the Deluxe edition) in the Deluxe edition, again without telling the consumer. It's one thing to strategize ways to monetize and implement it. It's another to not inform consumers so they can make informed decisions on purchases. Add that on top of all the other DLC controversies surrounding Ishin and at a certain point there's no benefit of the doubt to give them. There are just too many different controversies to look at.
If it's a budget issue why did they cast new roles instead of reusing the old ones?
I do not even buy micro transactions if I do it beyond rare
Only I know I bought are jump force meadls to meadls gta money and gay money bought same level one more on ps5 like two time one time as a accident one I put most money where tp meadls and jump force medals and sao mirctrans action ps4 games couple time but that it it been couple years or longer then that last time I bought any micro transactions
1:45 yakuza7 dlc also did the same thing
dude you completely forget yakuza7‘s dlc which did exactly the same thing
also big mistaken for not include Leon in collaboration cards
It's not Kiwami though
In Japan yes - Like a Dragon Ishin Kiwami
@@nr2676 What do you mean? It hasn't been branded as anything Kiwami, just Like a Dragon: Ishin
@Bubbly Chika Ishin was already a game made in 2014 but Japan only, that's why it's called Ishin Kiwami there and not here
@@LiteBosmark Ah, I see
"... And we'll all be to blame for it." SegaSammy is a private company, don't put the onus of their mistakes onto the players.
Those who control the market are always responsible for the negative outcomes of it, not the consumer. A live service provider giving consumers an irresistable deal which undercuts swathes of the competition makes them responsible.
We aren't the ones responsible for the thousands of tons of fishing nets left out in the ocean simply because we eat fish, those who failed to do their duty and succumbed to greed and neglected their responsibility are the ones who hold the fault.
We don't control the capital, we have very little slices of money and we have to make it work how we can. The system is designed that way specifically SO they can make you buy the cheaper product which was made in the more devious, hand-over-fist and profitable way.
You use games launching on game pass as a negative example leading to the DLC practices seen here, but then use two examples of games that have not launched on game pass and isn't on game pass (Ishin) and a game that has never been on game pass (Cyberpunk 2077).
Blaming dlc trends on suscription services is disingenuous taking into account this kind of dlc has been around way years before the rising of that kind of services.
I mean. No one forcing you to pay. Its a non issue really. Yall too entitled really. Bonus OP gear that makes game easier, or cosmetic skins, is optional. You dont need it to enjoy the game. Cant complain coz some people willing to pay extra to play easier or look different.
I don't really think your worst case scenario future of all games being glorified gambling sims will happen, especially since indie games are a section of the industry. And even if it does, there are more old games worth playing (and emulating) than I can finish in my lifetime.
This is a very naïve way to look at this. SEGA want more money, they aren't being forced to be predatory to stay in business.
LaD could be a bigger series than Call of Duty and they would still be pushing dlc and microtransactions
but without the dlcs we woudnt have the racist vtuber. so it kinda pays itself off
Avoiding the micro transactions, even collectively, doesn't result in better games. For starters, the whale will still support them. "Vote with your dollar" is the old saying, but that just means people with more dollars have more voting power. And if they don't sell, rather than publishers giving in and not having them later, we'll just not get games at all, which I'm fine with when this is the future they are pushing. This is how capitalism has ruined gaming.