The Admiral: Roaring Currents | Imjin War Film Review
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- With the second Japanese invasion of Korea kicking off in 1597, Admiral Yi Sun-sin is tasked with using his small remaining navy to halt the Japanese armada. This is the story told in this epic 2014 South Korean production. But does the film pull off this amazing historical tale well?
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"You may compare me to Admiral Nelson, but never Yi Sun-sin. Next to him, I am just a petty officer."- Admiral Togo
It is a fake story by Koreans.
Yi Sun-Sin is what we call a Mad Lad.
He was a Korean General who lead some small groups of soldiers in valiant battles before becoming an admiral with no experience.
And then he took on the Japanese forces and won most of his battles. He’s absolutely a amazing Admiral
I think he won EVERY battle and never lost a ship. The only two times Korea lost their sea battles was because of Won Gyun. The coward that burnt down his own fleet, usurped Yi, then fell for an enemy trap and died. Yi wasn’t present for either events. Yi also saw through the trap.
@@nhatho1723 Won Gyun was also a useless drunk.
he did win every battle but also did a nelson and won the decissive battle but got killed before the end of the battle. rather like nelson at trafalgar.
@@TheLoyalOfficer Won Kyun was so incompetent that at Chilcheonryang, he not only failed to scout, or take the superior naval artillery of his ships into equation, he actually got his own fleet neutralized just before the Japanese struck BECAUSE HE INTENTIONALLY SAILED INTO A STORM TO GET TO THE ENEMY. Needless to say, his men were in no shape to fight after that.
He won all of his battles
There's a longer cut of the film and there it's shown that Kurushima bears a personal grudge against Yi Sunshin because his brother died in a previous battle against him. It also shows that the other Japanese commanders hold Kurushima in open contempt for being a former Wakou pirate, which further encourages him to win this battle at all costs.
Oh damn I did not know that!! I need to find this now!
@@TheShogunate correction, there is an actual japanese actor play in this film. If you watch and recognize Yi's spy and fight with 2 swords, he is really japanese in this film.
@@ltmatthewakj2466 I know who your talking about I didn't know he is japanese actor. Ty for the info
@@TheShogunate it happened in this one scene where he was sharing drinks with the guy who was a mute kind of looked like a shinobi wearing black and in the film he was skilled with a musket (hinawaju) and kusarigama. I saw it in the English dub version of the movie that I found on CZcams for free
@@TheShogunate In the longer cut it's also shown that Yi Sunshin is seriously ill and coughing blood while his mother died and he couldn't bury her due to his imprisonment. He also has a serious freak out moment when the last turtle ship is burned which isn't shown in the shorter version. From that it's clear why he goes so defiantly into the battle, he has nowhere to go but up. This ties into the whole theme of the movie that you either turn your fear into courage or allow it to consume you.
Yi Sun-Shin is one of my favorite historical figures. After the battle, the Japanese attacked his home and killed one of his sons. Even so, Yi fought until the very end.
I don't know where I read this, but it seems that Yi wrote in his diary that he had to hide in a rice storage in order to cry for his son's death, as to not diminish his troop's morale. Commited till the very end.
@@ricardodemarco3486 I hadn’t heard that story before but it sounds like something Yi would do.
@@ricardodemarco3486 It’s written in Yi’s war diary.
@@user-sk9ct1gf2n I mean, I didn’t personally read his war diary, I learned that fact elsewhere but referencing said source (the diary).
A little bit of context on why Yi Sun Sin executed deserters, some of his soldiers and officers was because he was given command right away when the King released him from prison, one look at his units and he could see the morale of the men under him was extremely low, his subordinate officers were incompetent as they come, due to the fact that most of his officers were appointed so they were not exactly good leaders. He did it to reinstate discipline among the ranks and to show that corruption and cowardice was not tolerated.
Admiral Yi actually had to deal with this right at the start of the war as well; back then he not only executed deserters, he displayed their corpses to terrify his forces into not deserting. After he showed how good he was at naval warfare, morale went up enough that he no longer had to worry too much about deserters.
Admiral Yi also had a habit of finding any high-ranked daimyo that were killed in his naval engagements (including both Kurushima brothers), and having their heads displayed to demoralize the enemy (if the enemy daimyo was killed early on in the engagement). However, he didn’t encourage the head-counting of Japanese troops Korean units often partook in, because he felt it was more important for his forces to kill living Japanese troops than waste time beheading already-dead ones.
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Executing deserters was pretty common throughout all of history. We can say it was wrong. Also we should understand how widespread it is.
The flag ship (where Yi was in) did fight alone for a long time until several other ships finally took up the courage and charged foward when Yi gave his stern order for them to attack. But yes, none of them had significant hand to hand melee combat and instead was either firing arrows, guns, cannons or bashing into the Japanese ships.
If it bashed into enemy ships then that’s not that far off from depicting melees. At least a lot closer to reality than what this review suggests.
@@Quincy_Morris Not really, because the ramming action took place only in the final phase of the battle; when the tide fully turned in the Korean favour and forced the Japanese fleet to rout with the Koreans in pursuit.
The only boarding action at Myeongnyang happened when An Wi’s vessel was boarded (only briefly shown in the film), which resulted in 8 Korean deaths in addition to the other two Koreans killed by shrapnel/matchlock fire. The Japanese didn’t manage to capture the ship, however.
This film is a must see for any Sengoku fan.... i have seen it 2 years ago and i still remember much of the scenes.
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Thank you for your thoughtful review of the film. I believe your final scores are fair due to creative liberty taken at cost of historical accuracy.
Korean Armor during Imjin War is very difficult to find and prop maker admits drawn inspiration from Japanese historical drawings of the naval battles in Korea. (By Tenyo Ota) Few details such as securing armor plates were omitted due to budget and scheduling. Japanese armor is bit off as supposed to be ō-yoroi armor is missing lamellar armour; in both breastplate and pauldron. Todo Takatora’s armor is black, however, it has been upgraded(?) to gold.
Matchlock rifles are shown majority weapons used by Japanese forces, although in reality bow were used as main weapon in majority of the battles. Korean navy used both rifles and hand cannon (seung ja chong tong), but, sadly omitted as well. Admiral Yi avoid hand-to-hand combat unless it is last resort. You were right about inaccuracies there. Also Japanese ships Sekibune and Atakebune has a major difference in sizes. (Film made all the ships in same sizes). Commanding ships like Akatebune can able to match Korean ships to attack parallel. Sekibune would require climb up in 45 degrees or higher against Korean ships.
Korean actors portraying Japanese commanders did their best in Japanese language although their expressions makes an awkward communication.
Bottomline is it is more Chungmuro (Korea’s version of Hollywood) than history.
The director of this film plans for two more film in the future as part of Admiral Yi trilogy. It will feature battle of Hansando and battle of Noryang. Hope the historical accuracy gets better in future films.
Thanks for the review.
You should read his diary, a very interesting source on the way a Korean official traverses war and politics, and organises defence.
My impression of this film... As an academic specialising in early modern warfare, and also as a lover of historical cinema, cursed to grind my teeth at most historical films I watch, I appreciated how the narrative was structured here. Everything was made clear without any patronising tone, the background and character development gave sufficient information to understand motive and purpose, the heroes' actions were contextualised well to clarify their meaning and significance, action sequences, while beautiful, made sense. (This clear narrative is actually characteristic of Korean historical films, as far as I have seen.) This is done so well, that even a lay person will easily grasp the point of Yi Sun-sin's tactics. To give an example, my lovely wife who has no connection whatsoever to military matters, naval matters, military history or military thought, understood everything very easily. (And she has watched it three times since it was first out.)
A further positive is that traditional Western tropes that are inserted 'to add excitement' (love interest, endangered children, etc), are conspicuously absent here. The marginal love story of one of the minor characters is short, swift, a punchy parenthesis of personal drama juxtaposed with the larger ('national') crisis.
Your surprise at Yi Sun-sin's portrayal I found in turn a bit unexpected, not least because as a fan of Japanese films you would be, I thought, accustomed to a more nuanced and complex portrayal of historical figures. Korean films often have a similar attitude to that of the Japanese, particularly for characters who are on a superior mission, a situation where everything must bend or break to achieve the ultimate goal. Where American films engage in a lot of hero-petting (with very few exceptions), Japanese and Korean films centre more on the idea, on the goal, on the mission, on the task at hand. People are the tool of destiny, in a manner of speaking.
(Since you have started with this excellent film, I would encourage you to dive deeper into Korean cinema, they have one of the most developed and serious film industries in the world, one which has left Hollywood far behind on historical films, crime films, horror films, and drama films. I am excluding comedy, because it is quite a bit culturally remote for a Westerner, so it is harder to appreciate.)
I've seen this movie on Japanese cable when I was living in Northern Kyoto. It was in Korean with Japanese subtitles on the Samurai channel. The Admiral Yi story was very interesting. He was promoted, demoted, promoted then jailed and returned to duty to win.
He kept maxing out Smurf accounts.
@@Quincy_Morrisnah he was being stat banned
Historically, Yi Sun-shin did not win even once in the seven years after the Battle of Hansando. He launched surprise attacks, but was repulsed by the Japanese navy each time and retreated. He ignored the orders of the Korean government and fled before the enemy. Therefore, Yi Sun-shin was demoted. The 23-23 victory is a fabrication by later generations of Koreans. There is no record of the completion of turtle ships, and there is no evidence that they fought against the Japanese army. It is also a lie to say that Yi Sun-shin did not lose a single ship. He died fighting when the Japanese navy returned home, and at that time most of the remaining Korean ships were destroyed by the Japanese army. Therefore, a few years later, Korea lost the battle with Qing and became a vassal state.
@@hiroono1bitter soyboy haha
I'm enjoying your videos on Imjin war very much since I am a medieval Korean fan. As a medieval Korean fan, I'm really interested in Imjin war and my favorite yt channel is talking about it! yes! I kinda cringed at the historic inaccuracies in Korean armour, hand-to-hand combat, etc. ; ridiculous scenes like the sniper on the roof and the ship that contains bombs ; lastly the way the film makers depicted the Japanese as savage(?) with their amour.
Now, I'd like to share my opinion on your thoughts. I think that the reason why the soldiers were so disloyal in the movie was because the director wanted more of a "heroic" mise en scene (which might be obvious if you know what actually happened. As the Shogunate said, there was no hand-to-hand combat in the actual history.) "The soldiers are all so down, but thanks to one man, Yi Sun Shin, the soldiers gained confidence and defeated the Japanese army..."
Now, to answer your second question with my very subjective thoughts, let's just think about it. Who would like an actor who acted as the "villain", the defeated general of a historic movie from your neighbouring country? (JK have mostly been in bad relations for the last 10 years.) That actor will make the people from ur neighbouring country proud of the history of offering defeat to your own country. It would consequently give a negative image to the public. (again, we have to remember that JK are in bad relations). I think that for the Koreans film makers, they have no reason to not cast a Japanese actor (unless it costs too much, but for that, the guy who played Kurushima is very famous in Korea), it adds to the authenticity. Lastly, if you're wondering, there isn't any atmosphere in the public that rejects Japanese actors.
That's my thoughts, but I accept any criticism!
I think Admiral Yi was even superior to Nelson just as the japanese Admiral Togo said, his victory was one of the most unequal battles in history and also one of the least known 🔆
Yeah, I maybe become Admiral Yi admirer and he become my role model after watched Extra Credit: Admiral Yi. He is more than admiral, he is also perhaps better than neslon in man's characters and personality. Not everyone can stay loyal to something after many hardship cause by it, in this case his government. The only reason he held is he because fight for people of Korea. Even japanese, his nemesis, admire him and respect him the most, how awesome he is, being fear and respect at the same time
@@ltmatthewakj2466 That's true, even after conquering Korea they keep him in high regards as Admiral Togo said
@@HistoriaenCeluloide man, his death in extra credit makes me shed my tears. So many injustice and miserable moment during protecting his county/his people/his homeland. Yeah, he endure it and he become deeply respect by Korean, even by japanese deeply respect him and I believe rest of the world if they know his amazing story. The most unreal person ever see and we see he exist ❤️
I do not know much about Nelson other than Mahan and others kept praising him. The English navy had been one of the strongest since it is an island nation, Nelson' s navy is the most powerful in Europe even without Nelson. Japan also, an island nation, can easily build a strong navy, enough to defeat every other navy, at least initially, WW2. The Dutch Admiral De Ruyter and Yi Sun Shin are more impressive, they turned tactical victory into strategic ones against higher numbers, destroying their enemies ambitions and created innovations that lasted..
IMHO admiral Yi is probably the greatest military leader of all times. Apart from being a naval commander, he was an army commander earlier in his carrier too. He received education as a cavalry officer, was a skillful archer and inventor (hwatchas, singjeon - excuse me I'm not Korean and not sure if I spelled correctly)... Having said that, he never received education in naval warfare. And one more thing, he has never lost a single battle, at sea or on the ground (pacofied Yurchen raiders... kudos to de Ruyter and admiral Togo, Nelson who?
In Korea today Yi Sun Shin is the greatest man to have been born in our nation, all Koreans strive to have the loyalty, control and dignity that he possessed.
Yi sun Shin is one of the best admirals the world has and will always know
In the Islamic history We have Khalid Al Walid who has won many battle. He is the best commander
@EL zav Aywa mn Masr ايوا من مصر
@@istinggaremas4776 Khalid=Best commander
@EL zav انت مش وحيد :)
@@yousefshahin2654 You = Nice
It could and should have been better.
It gets really cheesy at times, and the props were pretty meh. I don't know that much about Japanese armor, but the Korean armors were... pretty inaccurate and bad-looking imo.
But it was quite entertaining to watch.
Just something that I wanted to mention:
Yi Sun Shin's flagship actually did fight alone for some time during the battle.
His diary states that other ships were lagging behind, refusing to join the battle.
After a while he raised the flag and called his captains and said this which roughly translates to
to Ahn Wi, the magistrate of Geoje:
"Ahn Wi, do you want to be executed? Do you want to be killed by military law? Do you think fleeing will save you?"
to Kim Ung Ham, who was tasked with escorting the flagship in battle:
"Your duty was to escort the flagship but you've stayed far behind and neglected your mission, so how could you avoid punishment? I would execute you immediately but the situation is urgent, so I will let you redeem yourself by contributing to the battle!"
12:22 corrections here, it is in fact true that yi sun shin’s flag ship fought alone in the beginning, and later on when the current’s directions changed because the other commanders were overwhelmed by fear that the were being outnumbered by almost 25 times (Japanese had 330 ships if you include the support ships as well). Later on when the current changed its directions, the other commanders finally joined the fight and initiates counter attack on the fleeing Japanese vessels. This is word to word recorded in Yi sun shin’s diary of war (난중일기). His diary of war is a Unesco world heritage. But you are correct on the argument that Yi sun shin never fought close combat with the Japanese navy because the Korean navy had war superior cannon technology than the Japanese, and there was no need for him to give Japanese chance to close quarter combat with the Korean navy when those Japanese samurais are experienced with close quarter combat after going through the Sengoku Jidai. Therefore, he used the currents so that Japanese vessels could never even reach the Korean battleships and simply outranged the Japanese vessels.
Wasn’t it also true the Japanese attempted several times to board his ship and failed? Or am I remembering incorrectly?
Historically, Yi Sun-shin did not win even once in the seven years after the Battle of Hansando. He launched surprise attacks, but was repulsed by the Japanese navy each time and retreated. He ignored the orders of the Korean government and fled before the enemy. Therefore, Yi Sun-shin was demoted. The 23-23 victory is a fabrication by later generations of Koreans. There is no record of the completion of turtle ships, and there is no evidence that they fought against the Japanese army. It is also a lie to say that Yi Sun-shin did not lose a single ship. He died fighting when the Japanese navy returned home, and at that time most of the remaining Korean ships were destroyed by the Japanese army. Therefore, a few years later, Korea lost the battle with Qing and became a vassal state.
I just can't help but love these reviews because of the music ❤
Yi sun shin was such an amazingly skilled commander, his strategies have helped me win many naval total war battles.
Also can you review the the “Samurai” trilogy?
Starting off with “Samurai I: Musashi Miyamoto”!
I believe he would do that when he gets closer to the end of the Sengoku Jidai, beggining of the Edo Period in the main series
I will review the samurai trilogy when we get closer to that point in time in my main series! I love those films
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This movie was actually really good in the way they showcased the characters. The only real 'evil' character was the Japanese vanguard leader. Since he was a former pirate, both sides hated him.
That really was a fun movie to watch, love your channel too... Im watching ALL of them, thanks for all your hard work! I stayed in Japan for a short while so I especially appreciate your history vids
Everything about this movie was amazing! Very great review 👏 👍
The part where the Korean flagship fights alone did actually happen at the start of the engagement (but minus the boarding action). Yi had to call back the rest of his forces under threat of punishment.
There WAS a different Korean vessel boarded later in the battle, resulting in another 8 Korean deaths (still nothing compared to the hundreds of Japanese casualties). The Japanese were repelled off the ship.
Re: Kurushima’s death, in the film he was already riddled with arrows, injured by shrapnel, and stabbed before he gets decapitated, and he’s clearly shown to be weakened and about to die, so it really isn’t that dramatic when Yi kills him (because Kurushima was already dying then). In real life, his corpse was recovered during the battle and ID’d by Junsa, so he likely drowned or was cut down by shrapnel when his flagship was sunk (the sinking is also shown in the film).
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This was just a very cool film, in general! I've been dipping my toe into Korean period movies and gotta say, they have their own personalities.
I've never heard of this film so thanks for the introduction. Hopefully I can find it somewhere to watch.
Its brilliant mate, ive got 2 versions and both them are superb.
I am quite agree with you in rating. I like Yi Sun Shin in Immortal Yi Sun Shin KBS drama more than in this movie. Still, I enjoyed watching it.
Most Koreans prefer act of Immortal Yi Sun Shin too. However, this movie was more historically accurate.
Soldiers of Joseon all wore armors and the Admiral would rather use the metals to forge more cannons than chains which was in the drama.
Modern historians studied records from various sources and also, calculated what the current was like back then.
They all agree to the fact that the Admiral had to fight against the current for 2 to 4 hours, and during that time, he was alone against the entire Japanese naval force in the battle, some 333 ships where about 130 of them were battle ships.
No one knows how he pulled this off.
His war diary just says, he was VERY fortunate that the heaven was on his side.
If Yi was still alive after the last battle, he would still get demoted
Historically, Yi Sun-shin did not win even once in the seven years after the Battle of Hansando. He launched surprise attacks, but was repulsed by the Japanese navy each time and retreated. He ignored the orders of the Korean government and fled before the enemy. Therefore, Yi Sun-shin was demoted. The 23-23 victory is a fabrication by later generations of Koreans. There is no record of the completion of turtle ships, and there is no evidence that they fought against the Japanese army. It is also a lie to say that Yi Sun-shin did not lose a single ship. He died fighting when the Japanese navy returned home, and at that time most of the remaining Korean ships were destroyed by the Japanese army. Therefore, a few years later, Korea lost the battle with Qing and became a vassal state.
Great review!!
seeing all those Japanese ships get blasted by cannon-fire gives me flashbacks of trying to capture a Black Ship in Shogun 2 Total War
Your comparison of George Washington to Admiral Yi reminded me of something a Korean friend of mine once said, that being something along the lines of Admiral Yi being as well know and popular with modern-day people as Washington is to modern-day Americans. I think that explains a bit of the lack of context in setting up his character since he is still very much a household name. He also holds a special place in the hearts of civilians since almost every one of his battles was conducted in a way that aimed to protect civilians. An example of this is how he would feign retreats at the start of many of his battles. He almost always encountered Japanese vessels raiding costal towns so his feigned retreats would bring the Japanese away from the civilians. He would lure the Japanese out to open waters were he wanted to ensure that any survivors would drown or at least not make it back to shore to continue harassing locals.
The execution scene at the beginning of the movie is somewhat correct. He did have two deserters captured and beheaded with their heads put on display but I can find no evidence that he personally did it. The time of the beheading was actually before Yi set out to start participating in the war, not this battle. I can also find no evidence that he burned down the village to give his sailers no choice but to fight. Actually, Yi having a base was part of what allowed him to be so effective. Jeolla Province, containing the base of Admiral Yi, was the only province not to be touched by the war. This was because the Righteous Armies, civilian militia groups, held the border of Jeolla in the battle of Uiryong and Chongjin. This battle I found quite interesting because the Japanese had set up sticks in the Nam river to indicate the shallow parts they could cross. The Koreans moved these sticks to the deep parts in the night and when the Japanese tried to cross they were ambushed. Later, it would be at the siege of Jinju that the Korean army held of the Japanese advance into Jeolla. This battle is noteworthy because it is the first time the Koreans used arquebuses.
That is another point I really appreciate in the movie. While the Koreans had cannons on their ships, the Japanese had firearms. This is accurate to the time and funnily enough, in the negotiations before the war Hideyoshi gifted the Korean court some matchlock guns but the court did not incorporate them into the army.
Another thing is that I can not find any evidence of Admiral Yi or his troops being sent earless heads. On the contrary I can only find that Admiral Yi gathered Japanese heads that he then sent to the King. Yi actually became quite ruthless after seeing the burnt out ruins of seaside towns. In the battle of Tanghanp’o, Yi lured the Japanese out to open sea and destroyed all the Japanese fleet but one. That one ship was tracked down the next day and when it was boarded the entire crew was beheaded. Those were the heads sent to the king.
The death of Michifusa, while inaccurate like you said, might have been inspired by the death of the captain of the ship tracked down in Tanghanp’o. When boarded, the Koreans found the captain alone on the deck with only his sword. It took ten arrows to bring him down, much like the movie version of Michifusa.
Lastly, my Japanese friend said that the Japanese in the movie, while fluent like you said, had strange accents that he sometimes had difficulty understanding. I never realized that they were Korean actors, thanks for the information on that.
I do like when historical films try as much to pull their “cool” events from real events and just alter the timing or consolidate the characters. Sure it’s less accurate but when making a history film you have to choose your inaccuracies and this is a good way to do it.
Sorry to say that but: actually it is that way that the admirals ship started to engage the japanese alone, others joined later inspired by the courage of their comrades. Extra History did a great job on a mini series on him.
Can’t wait until you review Sekigahara 2017
This moive is the beginning of my love for Japanese history and in the accuracy of the samurai. Last Samurai was amazing and but overly romanticized story. I agree with most of things you agree here and there but it is still a great movie and perhaps introduce manu people in to the imjin war and the many reasons why the japanese invasion happen.
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Great review 👍yeah I felt the same way, entertaining film but not entirely believable.
I'd like more movies/shows about Yu Sun Shin. He was such a legend even the Japanese respected him.
Actually there are! But they are TV series 2 of them, but one is about the war itself based on Ryu Seong-ryong's own writings. There was a couple of films in the 80's and 90's, but not too sure about that
@@morningcalmrisingsun thanks I'll have to check them out
I absolutely loved the film. As I’m not too familiar with the Imjin War, the historical inaccuracies didn’t bother me that much. I didn’t view this film as a historical telling of the events as much as a dramatized historical/action film. I would rate it above Gladiator and Braveheart in terms of historical accuracy and entertainment value. One of my favs of all time.
Two things I disagree about your review:
1) The film depiction of Yi's flagship fighting alone (initially) is actually accurate. The battle wasn't as one-sided as you think.
2) Japanese navy did NOT lose naval dominance after the battle. Quite the opposite, they were able to freely make incursion into previously unreachable area after the battle.
Yes correct observation Japanese roamed the seas after this battle too up to their tactical victory at Noryang
@@anandgupta1989 Noryang was a massive defeat for the Japanese.
@@user-lu6hp8nx1j if you consider Japanese losses yes they suffered higher casualties but they achieved their tactical goal of reliving Konishi Yukinaga who was blocked by the Joseon and the Ning navy’s
@@anandgupta1989 No they didn't. Do you know the distance between Noryang strait and Suncheon fortress (where Konishi Yukinaga was located)? They are so far apart from each other that Japanese fleet was defeated before they could barely SEE Suncheon. Whatever plan/goal/objective they had in mind went down the gutter before they even had a chance to attempt it.
Also, the goal of the Japanese fleet was not something so vague like "relieving Konishi Yukinaga". The plan was to ambush Ming/Joseon navy from the rear while they were being tied down by Konishi Yukinaga from the front, with the explicit purpose of defeating Ming/Joseon navy, and then combine force to defeat Ming army led by Liu Ting (that was also besieging Suncheon) on land. Japanese fleet achieved none of its objectives: the plan to attack Ming/Joseon navy from both sides fall apart because Ming/Joseon navy preemptively attacked at Noryang (too far from Suncheon that Japanese fleet and Konishi Yukinaga could not support each other), Ming/Joseon navy/army were obviously not defeated, and Japanese fleet suffered heavy losses and scattered. Worse still, the Japanese fleet (a very large fleet with no less than seven daimyos) was actually a much more juicier and priority target than Konishi Yukinaga himself (who was only one daimyo), making its loss significantly more damaging.
Oh that’s your version ?
He has his own Badass of the Week article too.
I definitely need to watch this amazing movie.
Yi Sun-sin did in fact fight alone for a time before his allies took heart in his example, and recovered from their shock as veterans of the Chilcheonllyang disaster. They exaggerated a bit yes but it is accurate that he was alone for a bit as attested in his War Diary,
Japanese Navy:Nooo!! How your guns are superior in Land that ourselves??!!
Yi Sun Shin and Korean Navy:Haha, the Naval Cannon Go Boom!!
I agree with you on this one. Though the film has its share of issues, it's still pretty good. You watch this film for the fight scenes, which will not leave you disappointed.
I think the fact that Japan seems to often want to put this war behind (specially becuase they lost), while Korea loves to remember in heroic tales, as you well pinpoint, is the source of both the strengths and weaknesses of the film. It's brilliant production and storytelling, as well as a very patriotic tone would be more interesting if other events of the war and other perspectives would be shown in films more often. As it is, standing on it's own, it gives an incomplete view of the whole affair.
I feel that the depiction of Todo takatora's staff, specially Wakashita and Kurushima Michifusa were overly cartoonish, I know they were expected to be the villians (they were, I mean, they invaded the place after all), but a little bit of a more humane depiction would have made them a more believable foe.
And for Chinese it barely registers with their long list of battles against Mongols, Manchus and others.
surprise to be sure but a welcome one 🙏
How about War of Arrows? Good film ... Love a review!
Could you do a review on Hansan: Rising Dragon please.
Please make review of hansan. And the legend and butterfly.
Admiral Yi diary has many many entries of how he would enforce military discipline. It was well known that his men were more afraid of him than the Japanese. Admiral Yi’s rival Won Gyn famously ran away from battle and scuttled his ships in his initial encounter with Japan. Famous Yi quote include “If you fight to live you will die but if you fight to die you will live”
Maybe Sekigahara is next on the list, after all, it’s a battle that made Tokugawa Ieyasu the head honcho of Japan as well as made Japan peaceful and united under the House of Tokugawa until the Meiji Restoration
An interesting question to ponder, is would yi sun shin Have been able to win had the Japanese borrowed European style warships?
A very interesting question. Yet even with superior ships, the Japanese still lacked naval experts that were the same Calibur as Yi Sun-sin
They'd have faced the same problem as the Japanese ships. The battles took predominantly place near coastal areas in shallow waters, where keeled ships with a large draft were at a disadvantage compared to the Korean panokseons and turtle ships which were specifically made for this sort of warfare. Also, this would have drawn European powers into an open war with China, which is something they wanted to avoid at this stage.
There is a Korean record of capturing European style ship by boarding since Korean cannons could not penetrate the hull of the ship(although it happened few years after the war)
I would say definitely 3 out of 4 stars. Maybe more. Yes, some of the action and acting is a bit cheesy, but overall it was really cool. I particularly enjoyed the over the top Japanese costumes! Crazy helmets, etc.
I wish to see more history about the clans
will you ever review nhk dramas like dokuganryu masamune or sanada maru?
The the portrayal of Yi as a big papa bear and ruthless maniac is not off for a man like him. Loyal to his nation and to his king. This is what makes him a human. He is not the super good super kind bevelonce figure. That's how most heros are portray after death. Even George Washington had to result to pillaging and taking suppies off of the local American country side. The movie The patriot would had been a diffent moive if the main character had to scavage off the county side just to feed his own men.
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True, actual battle is a turkey shoot at sea, that is why the film makers have to make up some scenes to keep the viewers attention as long as possible.
The content of the movie is so dramatic that you would think it had a cinematic fiction in it. But this movie is mostly a documentary. It is also true that the general fought alone against 330 ships for 4 hours. Among all the records, the most underestimated record of the general's achievements is the general's diary. Japan's records are almost at the level of natural disasters. Later, Hideyoshi ordered the entire Japanese army to ban naval battles. This was done by only one person, Soon-Shin Lee. Do you understand? Order not to engage enemy forces.
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I liked it a heck of a lot more than Netflix abomination 😝. I would like to see more Feudal Japanese sea battles movies . I loved it and I have recommended this film to friends.
Yin Shin-sin's flagship fighting on it's own for a bit was actually true. His other generals didn't join the fight for a while, some people think this was due to the out right fear and Morale shock of seeing such a large enemy Fleet. After seeing Yi fight and be successful, they took heart and joined the battle.
If Shogunate Daiymo approves,im watching
There are resources that you can get at Korean community groups, and a pamphlet that has his story
I love this movie after having seen it almost 5 years ago, but i agree with the rating. A Very top tier popcorn muncher that tickles history enough to satisfy.
Do a review of the anime Angolmois next.
I think the reasons Yi was ruthless in disciplining is shown clearly in his convos with his son. He knew if he tried to inspire courage in his demoralized troops that wouldn't work and he may just end up looking stupid. But using the fear they already had in them and creating some sort of cornered animal mindset created what would eventually lead to the japanese defeat
I watched it sometime in October of last year, and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm even less of a Korean/Imjin/Yi Sun Shin historian than you are, but even I noticed some of the inaccuracies (the actual battle being dramatized, the portrayal of Michifusa as a foil to Admiral Yi, the sniper Shinobi). But even so I understood why it was done.
I think movies like this require two scales for rating, one for historical accuracy, one for the usual film rating, because there have been many cases where a movie is inaccurate but enjoyable.
The cutting off of the noses somewhat disturbed me, I had until then thought that the Japanese only took warriors' heads in a proper battle. This, the way they mutilated civilian bodies, it was sickening. I liked how these actions angered the Korean commoners, left many wanting vengeance. They weren't toothless. I liked the over-the-top naval action, like the ships ramming into each other. I liked the action sequences.
If you go to Japan you will find the Mimizuka (the mound of ears and noses) buried there. The cut off ears and noses were from the IMJIN waeran war. This is historical. Many were of civilians because the Japanese needed proof of their war bounty to Hideyoshi. They did this with the cutting off heads but it was easier to cut off noses and ears and can fit many in a box. Heads took up more space. By Samurai standards there was no honor because most of the ears and noses taken were not just enemy soldiers but from old people, women and children alike.
Sir we are waiting for next Sengoku clan overview
wish there were more English sources on him love to write about his life
Yi did execute deserters. The film is simply being accurate.
Hmmph well now
I have to see this movie because I am a huge samurai fanatic
Everything about the samurai is a must for me
But I must see
Admiral Yi as well
What a legend he was
Let me also not watch this video and spoil it for myself
This was a very Interesting movie I really enjoyed it. But when you talked about George Washington killing deserters he did. George Washington had to make The decision whether to kill deserters because he was losing too many men especially at Valley Forge. But I did like this movie.
Great review. I found the film as you depicted. Well done, but a bit over the top on the story.
If you read about the real history of this battle you see that it wasn't so over the top. Yi did defeat a 333 ship armada with just 12 or 13 ships.
If we look at human nature, doesn't matter if your general is a war hero, human will always be human and try to desert when they see the enemy is vicious.
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Thanks for making the review I saw this film 13 times ! Best part was Korean actors playing the Japanese characters it’s a near rare accurate period piece the only major mistake in this flick was Todo Takatora is shown to be a man in his late fifties which is incorrect as at that time he was in his thirties another error was Kurushima never mentions the Chosokabe clan who were his direct masters he speaks as if he is a direct retainer or vassal of Hideyoshi , barring these two errors the movie is fantastic, to make a film interesting there has to be myth and folklore attached to it or it becomes boring and bland !
Todo Takatora was 41/42 but looks late 50 s or early 60 s chap
@俊也角田 you sound like a comfort girl ! Get your head out of admirals arse and get a life
Fun story about Admiral Yi’s demotion and imprisonment: King Seonjo wanted him executed.
Why? Because he was afraid the admiral would launch a coup against him later down the line. Remember, Admiral Yi was massively well-supported by Korean civilians (because he actually did his job properly, keeping the Japanese army undersupplied and preventing their fleet from expanding westwards). Seonjo’s personal popularity was in the dumps after he fled the capital, so he was understandably afraid that if Admiral Yi launched a coup, everyone would side with him, especially since ideological conflicts in the Joseon bureaucracy could get outright ugly (Yi wasn’t part of this factionalism, but one of his key political allies was). To the king, the admiral posed a serious political threat in the future-after all, the Joseon Dynasty was founded by a successful general working under the preceding Goryeo Dynasty who effectively seized control of the nation after a conflict over strategic military policies.
Of course, Admiral Yi had no intention of a coup, didn’t care about politics, and he died in the last battle of the war (which he won), so this whole thing was pointless.
This would be the perfect period and setting for shogun 3.
There was a mod made for that years ago.
If The Admiral is a cross country movie production featuring Japan, China and South Korea, the Korean cast would remain the same while the Japanese cast would feature Takito Kenichi as Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Eguchi Yosuke as Kato Kiyomasa and Tanihara Shosuke as Konishi Yukinaga. The Chinese cast would feature Simon Yam as the Ming Emperor with Andy Lau, Yu Rongguang, Kaneshiro Takeshi and other Chinese actors to play integral parts like soldiers, diplomats, generals, et al.
You should get credit for that
Nice the first time I saw this movie it was horribly dubbed
I was taught Yi’s ship did go out and engage alone during the start of the battle as the rest of the ships were too afraid to engage hundreds of ships. This wasn’t the case?
That was actually initially the case. But after sometime they entered the battle
@@jskoh4662 isn’t that exactly what the film depicts? Just more fanatic and action packed than likely happened?
@@Quincy_Morris Technically, yep
You say only a couple Korean sailors died. I’ve seen a lot of wildly conflicting reports on this number. And it’s likely the film is using the much larger estimates for more action.
Its recorded that he never lost a ship in battle and had less than 400 soldiers injured or died during the whole war under his command.
I watching this movie on mushrooms, it was insane: you should try it.
For anyone interested this movie is on youtube for free.
I really liked this movie. If you're watching this channel you'll like the movie.
*Decisive Korean Victory*
I love this is the one movie I can think of which had to nerf its historical character lol
I agree with your rating -- if they movie were historically-accurate, the battle scenes would have been very boring. It would be like watching a child play an RTS with cheat codes.
I think you are wrong in your assessment on Yi Sun Shin as being uneccessarily cruel. firstly, you are mixing apples and oranges culturally when comparing him with George Washington. secondly, it was a necessary (and desperate) tactic given the context, otherwise his soldiers would have just fled. As Ptolomey put it on subject of ruthless punishment to instill discipline into an army, "any general would have done the same".
Sedondly, HE might have been a capable commander, but Joseon kingdom was hopelessly corrupt, crony and the common people had little motivation to fight for it.
Before this battle Yi won 21 sea battles. After this he won again for a total of 23 -0 record. He was undefeated. He was very capable.
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The Chinese contributions to Yi’s victories have been down played. Admiral Chen Lin was just as instrumental in the defeat of Japan. He even settled in Korea with many descendants in Korea today.
Chinese armada working with Yi Sun-Shin's fleet happened after the battle of Myeongnyang. So the movie didn't really down played Chinese fleet at all cause they were just not there at the moment of the battle.
The Chinese naval fleet joined after the battle of Myeongryang so no, they did not downplay the Chinese. They just weren't there at the time.
General Chen Lin was involved in the last sea battle called Noryang. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Noryang Yi had to save Chen's flagship at the risk of his own. Chen was so grateful Yi saved his life that he moved to Choson (Korea).
This was a "meh" film for me considering I was already familiar with the Injim War and Admiral Yi Sun-sin. Its a good film, I'd recommend it. Now I'm wondering if you'll ever cover the Woku pirates and inevitably the 2017 Gordon Chan film "God of War" starring Vincent Zhao and Yasuaki Kurata.
In my personal opinion, while the film can be somewhat cheesy in its attempts to be patriotic and isn't fully accurate to history, this is genuinely one of the most enjoyable historical war films I have watched in a long time.
Your wrong, actually. He fought first alone, because all his captains stayed behind
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Go for it man!
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Your pronunciation of chilcheolyang was about as good as it gets for English speakers. It would be understandable by Koreans and I think that is good enough.
You always seem to know what your audience wants
well you are right. if they just showed the admiral literally leisurely blowing away japanese ships by the dozens with cannon fire and using their speed to just float away i think the film would be boring.
Is this movie popular in Japan 🇯🇵😎? Saw the film 🎞 many years ago. It’s ok 👌🏾 but not super duper or anything. Not in the same league as braveheart or gladiator in terms of storyline or emotion building
I totally understand the author's confusion about of yi soonshin's action being heroine. However, like the author said it's because he doesn't know much about him.
It'd be several pages to write down all my theories so I will just stop here. It's fair to think that.
The civilians cheering on the battle on the hill top was kind of cheesy.
A great movie even if it much like Holywood, pandered to the dramatic by straying from truth.
I watched about yin sun shin somewhere, but I remember it said yin sun shin is not really a per son its a position in a navy warfare, I think.
Good review , but poor scoring i believe for a top movie , some of yhe historical licence was taken to convey the dread and hopelessness felt on the korean side at this time