Jehovahs Witnesses' Propaganda and Jesus | Collision w/ Jeff Durbin
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- This is a portion of our show Collision. Jeff engages with a video that The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, also known as Jehovah's Witnesses, put out asking the question of 'Who is Jesus?'. Collision is exclusively available on All-Access at apologiastudios.com/shows/col.... To watch the full 33 minute response follow the link and check it out. We release a new episode every week.
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Sorry but this Jeff guy has not even left the modern day Babylon the great as he is still cliniging to a very PAGAN image around his neck.......The instrument that Jesus died on was just that, a torture instrument, and all the evidence points to the fact that Jesus did not doe on a cross but rather a "upright pole of stake" !
An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” is stau·ros′. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·ros′] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”
In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy′lon. (Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”
The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.
So if there was a chance that this is true it means that people are putting Jesus onto a pagan symbol!
And if he can't even get that right, then why do you think anyone is going to put faith in his "Jesus is God" dogma.........It is almost laughable !
If Jesus is God then WHO was he praying to ? ......If Jesus is God then why did he say "I am going back to MY GOD and MY FATHER ? So WHO is the God of Jesus, and what is his name, when you find the answer to that question then you will see the TRUTH behind WHO God is !
Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD!
The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father!
SOME do say however, that Jesus does address God as his God and his father because he was A MAN however one of the clearest scripture which shows that Jesus is NOT God is Rev 3:12 where we see Jesus as NOT a man but back in heaven:
"The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. New International Version
So, please read Rev 1:1 which says: "a revelation from Jesus which GOD GAVE HIM"
So WHO is the God Of Jesus, and what is his name ?
@@STROND : Waiting for a response would be like waiting for Godot.
I am only trying to help you get out of false worship and think for yourself my friend before it is too late..... And even IF Jesus died on a stake what makes you think that it would be OK with God to take the execution instrument and put it up on the walls at your places of worship and around your neck, what makes YOU think God is OK with that, what makes you think for ONE MOMENT that rubbing this into God nose on a daily basis is OK with him ? Please present your truth !
@@tongakhan230 I am only trying to help you get out of false worship and think for yourself my friend before it is too late..... And even IF Jesus died on a stake what makes you think that it would be OK with God to take the execution instrument and put it up on the walls at your places of worship and around your neck, what makes YOU think God is OK with that, what makes you think for ONE MOMENT that rubbing this into God nose on a daily basis is OK with him ? Please present your truth !
18 years a witness and I’m turning 20 January as a true Christian. Your work is appreciated
Awesome!
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no where in the bible as we have a bible not the bible is trinity fable and hell fire is not in original so both are fable! Christ clearly in his teaching tells his people he is not the father in heaven! John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. so clearly Jesus states you and anyone else has not seen God! so only Christ has seen such! as much as the corruption in watchtower when it comes to trinity totally understandable and hell fire doctrine! Christ followers asked about end times and Christ told them in Matthew 24:36
But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. so Jesus clearly tells us and states it he does not no only god in heaven! and makes it very clear only god knows! so if your claim Christ know are you claim Christ is a liar??
@@LightoverDarkMinistry awesome is Christ made it very clear he was not god
You're very very wrong read John 1!!!
When I woke up from the JWs, this was so confusing to me until I watched Jeff's videos, explaining things with the Greek. That helped immensely. I was a witness from birth until I was 46. I began my journey with God nine years ago and was baptized as a Christian in church 3 years ago and my life is so much happier now that I'm free of my slave chains. Thank you, Jeff, for reaching out to JWs. You help us see Jesus's true nature and to be able to worship Him freely.
Another scam comment. JW from birth?????????
No shortage of gullible who will fall for that scam.
which PERSON OF GOD is talking here? If there are TWO more persons of GOD, then for you this person of GOD is lying. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. There is no God except me. - ISA 45:5
Apostle Paul said:" Actually to us there is One God the _ _ _ _ _ _ . ? ..." 1 Corinthians 8: 6. Which person did Paul state is the One God?
Jesus didn't say to the Samaritan woman, that the true worshippers would be worshipping him...the Son of God. Or direct her attention to the year 325AD, when the tri(3)nity was first formulated at the Council of Niacea.
However, a christian listens to the voice of Jesus and not to strangers.
Jesus words found at : John 2: 23, 24:
" Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship *the* *Father* with spirit and truth, for indeed, *the* *Father* is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.
Apostle Paul clearly taught one person 'alone' is God:
Actually to us there is One God the * Father* ......" No he didn't say that the Son, or holy spirit is God...only *the* * Father* is the One God, whom Jesus called : " the *only* true God , at John 17: 3.
Praise be *to* the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. ( 2
Corinthians 1: 3 )
@@Mr.DC3.1914 can you prove 1914 in your Bible?
I gave my first talk at the Kingdom Hall at the age of 6. I was being groomed since I could talk. I left at 16. My dads side of the Family separated themselves from me and treated me different. Many years went by where I was a lost boy looking for his true father. He never left me. Never. Praise the Most high! Pastor Durban you are a gift to all of us.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk God's peace to you, i think we blinked abit and missed that " . " that Dillon put befre the word "Never". Dillon is not lost. Fullah is on that narrow path we hope we are all on. "He never left me. Never." Then Dillon continues on, "Praise the Most High!" ❤❤
@@estp8071Your right!! Lol!! I totally misread his comment. Thanks estp. Ill delete the comment now.
Please pray for my best friend, Taylor. She’s JW and it terrifies me to think of God saying to her “I never knew you”. Pray that God soften her heart and for her to receive the true Gospel from the only God who can save.
well as much as i do not agree to fable trinity not in the bible, i agree to with the Jehovah witnesses and when it comes to witnesses acting like soldiers i am very sorry to hear they treat you this way! you say true Gospel when Christ clear told his followers he is not god! john 6:46 and Matthew 24:36 clearly tells his people he is not god!
@@mrm8850 Refute me on my other post using any Bible translation you want.
@@mrm8850 Friend, I encourage you to read the Bible with an open heart and mind. I’m biased towards Biblical truth. So I’m happy to convert to JW beliefs if they align with scripture. The problem is, they don’t.
I can’t put my faith in an ideology that is self refuting. If Jesus isn’t God, but Michael the archangel (Jehovah’s first and greatest creation), then John (under direction of the impersonal force of a holy spirit from Jehovah God) records in John 1 as “a god” when there is only Jehovah God. So Jehovah created a false god to send and save the world for the one true god. Where as, if Jesus is God, God did what we as humans could never do, live a perfect and sinless life, and take the punishment for my sins, and your sins.
honey you need to read the bible not publications but first you may want to learn how to read because it's clear from how you write that you have very little understanding of english. 1st john 2:27 clearly tells us that we don't need anyone to teach us the word except the annointing. the jw's site 2nd peter 1:20 as the reason for publications but fail to site verse 21 along with it , they go together. charles t. russell said that without publications you couldn't be a j.w. which means that your belief system is not in the bible alone and that there were no j.w's before publications. Jesus is the servant in isaiah 53. read 53:4-6 and 11. eleven says my Servant shall justify the many not an organization with works earning your way to eternal life. do your homework strangely enough you're encouraged to so take advantage of it.
@@BulykrynVancho I don’t speak on behalf of Jehovah’s witnesses but may this help you with your misunderstanding of their understanding of John 1:1. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the Word is a god, not as a false god as you have inserted but as a 'divine being' existing in God’s form, his form being 'spirit'. All spirit creatures exist in God’s form and are considered gods by human standards. It is important to recognise that Theos' in the Greek is the term used for God and it is used for all gods, not just the creator.
The Word, being Jesus in his pre-human existence, was the beginning of Jehovah God’s creation, the Word is God's spokesperson, his master worker, his chief representative, hence the name - the Word. He is the mightiest of all God’s spirit creatures and that is why he is referred to as Mighty God in Isaiah.
So it is essentially to grasp that when John 1:1 says the Word was God, it is referring to Mighty God, and not God Almighty, there is a significant difference between the two. If the Word were God Almighty, then John 1:1 would have said the Word 'is' God, and not the Word 'was' God. Notice too, that John 1:1 does not identify the Spirit, therefore the doctrine of Trinity fails to have relevance to biblical truth in explaining the nature of God. I hope this helps. May God Bless your efforts for your search for truth.
I was JW for nearly 28yrs, as I just turned 46, as I became a true Christian of Christ in yr 2011, God Bless!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
And may we be enlightened as to how one became a JW in the first place?
Forced at gunpoint?
Filled a form correctly?
Gave a large donation?
Self appointed oneself?
Or used deception?
@@tongakhan230usually it's because they are approached by other JWs who host a "Bible Study" using their Watchtower publications that present their false teaching. Many people are uneducated about the teachings of the Bible and are led astray because of the kind attitude they show and their knowledge of the Bible, even though it's misinterpreted.
And I say this as gently as possible, but the way you asked your question was a bit aggressive (gun to the head, appointed oneself, etc) and seemed a bit unloving considering that most people that are JW are deceived in thinking they know the truth.
I don't want to assume your attitude, but it's important to remember that JWs are not monsters, they are the mission field for us as true Christians and need to be reached with grace.
@@ronkelley1490 : There are fake comments a plenty for these videos. I just wanted to know how one became a JW in the first place. I gave various choices.
Please answer the question without using the 'You hurt me by your comment' diversion.
Just admit it. One has no clue as to who JWs are.
Want to know who JWs are. Read the prophecy at Micah 4:1-5.
No one in his right sense would take on a JW in a Bible discussion.
These video scammers get away with all this because JWs never get on public platforms and debate.
1 Timothy 6:4 he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and DEBATES about words.
Jesus didn't say to the Samaritan woman, that the true worshippers would be worshipping him...the Son of God. Or direct her attention to the year 325AD, when the tri(3)nity was first formulated at the Council of Niacea.
However, a christian listens to the voice of Jesus and not to strangers.
Jesus words found at : John 2: 23, 24:
" Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship *the* *Father* with spirit and truth, for indeed, *the* *Father* is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.
Apostle Paul clearly taught one person 'alone' is God:
Actually to us there is One God the * Father* ......" No he didn't say that the Son, or holy spirit is God...only *the* * Father* is the One God, whom Jesus called : " the *only* true God , at John 17: 3.
Praise be *to* the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. ( 2
Corinthians 1: 3 )
One day, JW's arrived at our door. I do not feel to comfortable about the entire organisatio, but on the other hand, they have put me and my wife on the path of the Bible. So they have done some good. And luckily enough, I always look further and seek answers for myself.
That's lovely to hear. I am an ex tri(3)nitarian.
Listening to Jesus' words changed my belief.
Jesus didn't say to the Samaritan woman, that the true worshippers would be worshipping him...the Son of God. Or direct her attention to the year 325AD, when the tri(3)nity was first formulated at the Council of Nicacea.
Jesus words found at : John 2: 23, 24:
" Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship *the* *Father* with spirit and truth, for indeed, *the* *Father* is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.
Apostle Paul clearly taught one person 'alone' is God:
Actually to us there is One God the * Father* ......" No he didn't say that the Son, or holy spirit is God...only *the* * Father* is the One God, whom Jesus called : " the *only* true God , at John 17: 3.
Praise be *to* the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. ( 2
Corinthians 1: 3 )
Please pray as my in-laws are Jw's and my father in-law has Lou Gherig's disease and is not expected to make it through the end of the year
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Send them this video and instruct them to repent in christ
I will pray for them.🙏❤️.
Praying
I pray that God uses this disease to open their eyes and hearts to the truth of God.
Many times God has used afflictions for people to come to recognize that they could die any moment and that their eternity is at hand.
I pray that this is used by God in that way.
That your family will come to faith in the true and living God. Pray for obedience and wisdom that God may use you as an instrument to preach the gospel to them in love and gentleness. Sometimes we pray for God to send someone but sometimes that someone is us because we have the knowledge, love, desire and are the closest to us. Is not easy but May God gives you wisdom to do it.
As a 3rd generation JW who started going door to door as a young boy of 10, who stood up in the kingdom hall and gave sermons at 12, who helped lead bible studies as a young teen. I cannot be thankful enough that my mother left that organization. As an older teen and in my 20s I turned away from God l, all I knew was the JW faith and I knew it was wrong. But I didn't have the truth. Now I read a real Bible almost daily and people like Jeff, James white, Mike Winger and David Lynn have really helped me learn truths about Christianity that had been hidden from me and prevented me from following Jesus. However my experiences with the JW organization still make me very skeptical of some church leaders and I cannot find myself able to join any particular local church because I just know there are wolves in sheep's clothing in those places. It's really left me with a distrust with most of those who call themselves Christian
you might want to try a community church. they don't require membership, you just go and open a bible and learn from the pastor.
i grew up in a high control situation so i have no desire to join a club, where there is a big thick rule book that's not the bible and everyone says " well we believe" fill in the blank because it's not what we believe it's what the book says.
iron sharpens iron so it's good to be in fellowship with other followers but with eyes wide open.
I go to Adat Yeshua (which you can find on CZcams) because of the same reasons you mention.
I went to Bible College 22 years ago and I studied a lot of other faiths and I saw the worst side of people who called themselves christians. When I left in 2003, I had a love of this Jesus person, but I hated the church with a passion. Skip forward to 4 years ago and G_D quite literally dragged me to an evening meal at Adat Yeshua (Erev Shabbat meal)......when I learned Jesus's name was Yeshua, I wanted to know what else I had been taught incorrectly.
P.S. I am the guitarist which you can see on the live stream.....
I understand it can be difficult joining a church after years of spiritual abuse. But you can’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Find a local church and talk with the pastor(s) and tell them your situation. Make sure they are well aware that the bible is the ultimate authority and that there are multiple elders holding each other accountable to the word of God.
I cannot stress enough how important it is to be involved and be a member of a local church community. Don’t listen to people telling you to go to an online ministry or anything like that. Just trust God and know the bible so you can discern whether a church is a biblical church or not. The blessings of local church membership are amazing.
I have a similar upbringing. Never thought I'd return to Church. Left the JWs 20 years ago. Raised in it. Family disowned me because I left. Wife and I found true Christians and fellowship at a local Calvary Church. ❤❤.🙏🙏
I deal with the same thing and can relate with you as far as the people you mentioned that helped you goes. I just try and look at it like this, going to church is your time to worship and love Christ. Period. Unless the church is teaching false doctrines or not acting in accordance with God's word, you're good
Father God, my strength is gone. Please give me strength. I know things will get better as long as I keep faith and I trust in you. Even as I constantly struggle to provide for my children I trust in you Heavenly Father. Walking with faith is all we can do as christian’s. Like most single mothers things are hard on me. Both of my sons are autistic, it’s a lot on me. I’m constantly struggling to pay rent and constantly struggle to provide for my boys. I’m overwhelmed and now that I’m home schooling them I’m having trouble getting their school supplies. Heavenly and merciful Father, I come before your glorious throne today, in humble adoration please help me overcome my struggles and my constant fear of poverty. I know you have a plan for me Lord Amen!
God bless you🙏, I pray the Lord protects your family,I pray the Lord gives you and your loved ones strength and courage too push forward when times get tough, the Lord said in his Holy scriptures too his children, He will never leave you or forsake you, may God give peace in your heart and comfort your soul and let you know that He loves you all your days,Jesus loves you, I pray all these in Jesus Holy Precious Name 🙏✝️🙏
Have you asked brothers and sisters around you for help? You can't expect help if you don't ask God and followers for help. Any christians I know will lend you a hand.
Sometimes you have to ask. Don't forget that God works through people, sister ❤
There you go Tiff. You started out saying Father God. So I want to ask you a question Tiff. Who is Father God??? What's his name?? He does have one, you know that don't you?? It isn't Father, it isn't Father God, it isn't God, it isn't Jesus. So what is the name of Father God?? And I'm sure your gonna answer that he has many names but that's not true either. He has 1 name and if you read a King James Bible, tells you his name at a couple of places. 1 of them is Exodus 6:3 "I appeared unto Abraham Issac and Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known. Psalms 83:18 says it too. But you know what troubles me most about the KJB. Is that in all the rest of the scriptures it removed his name and replaced it with LORD (all capitalized) in other words, every where you read LORD it should read Jehovah. However some will say NO its suppose to say YHWH and if your Hebrew and read Hebrew that's actually true. But here's the deal. Jesus is NOT how you say his name because he is Hebrew too. Yet everyone on the English speaking world freely says his name in the Greek form. Actually, it's Iesus in the Greek form. But actually his name is Yeshua in Hebrew. So let's do some comparisons for those who say Jesus is the God of the old testament. YHWH is the God's name appears in Hebrew scriptures. And they Hebrews used what I call a form of short hand and left the vowels out of his name. So it could be Yahweh or it could be Yod-He-Waw-He. And there's actually some evidence that it may even possibly be Jehovah or Jehowah as well only with a "Y" because they don't use J's in Hebrew, so Yehovah or Yehowah. So Yeshua and Yehovah or even Yehowah. So let's look at the short hand form of Yeshua without the vowels. We have YSH. Hmm!! That doesn't match up. But Yehowah does, doesn't it. I hope this little lesson helps you to know and to come to understand that God has a name and Jesus' or Yeshua has a meaning to his name, too. It means Yehovah or Yehowah is salvation. Amazing, huh!!
@@ScottRock-mr6qk
In the long speech that Jesus held in the gospel of John, chapters13-17, the word Father is used 50 times (49 times by Jesus and 1 time by Philip), the word God 7 times, "the one who has sent me" 2 times, but not one single time is Gods name used. In the Lords prayerJesus taught us to say Father when when address God, just as he did himself.
We have close to 6000 manuscripts of the New Testament and in none of them is Gods name to be found.
The Old Testament quotations we have in the New testament are usually from the Septuagint (LXX), the greek translation, where the word LORD is used instead of Gods name.
Since God has promised to preserve his word we can be sure that nothing of importance to our relationship with him is has been lost.
Can we get more 👍🏼's on these videos?!! We need to get Jeffs word out to more people perhaps unaware of his content. May God bless Jeff and Apologia Studios and anyone who reads this post. I've only realized that God was real. I'm 47 but was pretty much atheist up until 4 months ago. It's almost like finding the winning lottery ticket... only this is way better. God bless 🙏🏻.
God has blessed you!
Matthew 24:36 Christ cleary states he is not god and tells his followers only god knows such hour and Angels in heaven do not know nor does Christ! if he was god he would have said i do know the hour but he totally did not! and if you say he did makes you a big time liar! john 6:46 Jesus tells clearly only he has seen god you have not how clear can that message be but many preach trinity doctrine!
@@mrm8850stop spamming your nonsensical anti Christ babble
Welcome to the family! God bless you ❤
@@missmaria3364 Yes , and when Jesus returned to heaven Jesus was still ignorant of things...he had to be given knowledge. Revelation 1: 1reads:" A revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him. ..."
Just sent this to my aunt who is Jehovah’s Witness. Please pray for her that the scales are removed from her eyes and that she come to believe the Truth!
Has one forgotten. People who believed all this nonsense gave it up and became Jesus' True DISCIPLES known as JWs.
Why would they come back leaving the truth?
If they do, this will apply.
2 Peter 2:22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.”
Why they already have the truth of Gods word. Why would they swap the truth and listen to a man who has given in to idols with the cross around his neck ! Here are some better non-biased sources :
The Greek word stau·rosʹ is translated “cross” in many Bible translations. Notice, however, what various sources say about the meaning of this word:“
The Greek word [stau·rosʹ] properly . . . means merely a stake.”-Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature.“A pole in the broadest sense. It is not the equivalent of a ‘cross.’”-Crucifixion in Antiquity.“
A strong stake, such as farmers drive into the ground to make their fences or palisades-no more, no less.”-History of the Cross.“
It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone.”-The Companion Bible.“An upright pale or stake . . .
It never means two pieces of wood joining each other at any angle.”-A Critical Lexicon and Concordance
And even if it was a cross (which it isn't) what makes YOU think that God would be OK with putting up the instrument of torture in ones place of worship, what make you think God would be OK with people putting the object or execution around their necks as if God would be happy with that. I tell you what, why don't you find a person who's son was murdered by someone with a gun, and make a nice little model of a gun, then go around their house and tell them, " look what I have made an put around my neck as a wy to remember your son" See how far that would get you !!
The lies are so obvious, once you've been born again! I mean, it's like knowing the difference between night and day. I was raised mormon but saved 14 years ago and now I KNOW and understand the Trinity It's understood by way of the HOLY SPIRIT only. If you KNOW, you KNOW!
How do you explain Jesus praying to the Father, asking that his disciples be one, even as the Father and son were one. The disciples can't be one in the same way the Father and Son are one according to the Trinity doctrine.
@@ramsrnjaGod in three persons. God the Father. God the Son. God the Holy Spirit. Jesus says that if you’ve seen Him, you’ve seen the Father. If you’re not saved, you cannot fully understand this.
@@ramsrnjaI have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
John 17:22-23
Your answer was the very next verse, but it wasn't just for his disciples it was for all believers in Christ. You know like the Church
@@ramsrnjaif Jesus is the perfect person he isn’t (rightly) going to show up as an atheist is he? So yes, of course he prayed to the Father, and just as he honoured the father so to should we honour him John 5:22-23. The son shall be honoured as the father is honoured, if we follow Christ’s example we would honour both him and the Father in worship to God.
@@dandelion1239 Someone who is born again can't explain it to me?
Jehovas witness forgot to mention 1. Thomas calling Him (my Lord and my GOD" and 2. Hebrews 8:6-8 God called Jesus "God" 3. The new testament declaring Jesus is God
God called Jesus God?
So you have two Gods?
@@StretchMn nope. 3 in 1. 3 different persons one God. Just like you. Body soul and spirit. When you hurt your leg, its your body you hurt. You didn't break your souls or spirits leg.
Read the whole Bible. Also read genesis. "Let US (plural - trinity) create man in our image- (body soul and spirit)" God is so huge to put Him in a box
@roses993 my body is not a separate individual from spirit and soul. All that makes up me is just me.
Jesus is the son of God and a separate and distinct individual.
Do they each have their own body? Their own brain?
@@StretchMn you need to read the full Bible and you will see that the 3 persons are mentioned. Just because it's unlike anything you have ever seen does not mean, it can't be. The bible refers to 3 persons of the Trinity
@roses993 That's correct, they are separate and distinct individuals.
One is the Father of the other.
Just like you and I separate and distinct individuals.
But only one is to be worshipped.
And Jesus said at Jo. 4:23 to worship the Father only.
Otherwise, you'd be polytheistic.
Love it Jeff, well done. I've been creating content on CZcams to help witnesses leave, and seen so many come to Christ. Love seeing the work you do brother.
Nice work too, watched one of your video's. Excellent use of logic. I was one for 25 years up until waking up 3 years ago
leaving over a doctrine fable trinity i do not think so! maybe corruption but not fables!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@mrm8850The word gospel means “good news,” which is the message of forgiveness for sin through the atoning work of Jesus Christ. It is essentially God’s rescue plan of redemption for those who will trust in His divine Son in order to be reconciled to a just and holy God. The essential content of this saving message is clearly laid out for us in the Bible.
In the apostle Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians, he lays out the content of the gospel message, “Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
In this passage, we see three essential elements of the gospel message. First, the phrase “died for our sins” is very important. As Romans 3:23 tells us, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” The reality of sin needs to be acknowledged by all who approach the throne of God for salvation. A sinner must acknowledge the hopelessness of his guilt before God in order for forgiveness to take place, and he must understand that the “wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Without this foundational truth, no gospel presentation is complete.
Second, the person and work of Christ are indispensable components of the gospel. Jesus is both God (Colossians 2:9) and man (John 1:14). Jesus lived the sinless life that we could never live (1 Peter 2:22), and, because of that, He is the only one who could die a substitutionary death for the sinner. Sin against an infinite God requires an infinite sacrifice. Therefore, either man, who is finite, must pay the penalty for an infinite length of time in hell, or the infinite Christ must pay for it once. Jesus went to the cross to pay the debt we owe to God for our sin, and those who are covered by His sacrifice will inherit the kingdom of God as children of the king (John 1:12).
Third, the resurrection of Christ is an essential element of the gospel. The resurrection is the proof of the power of God. Only He who created life can resurrect it after death, only He can reverse the hideousness that is death itself, and only He can remove the sting that is death and the victory that is the grave’s (1 Corinthians 15:54-55). Further, unlike all other religions, Christianity alone possesses a Founder who transcends death and who promises that His followers will do the same. All other religions were founded by men and prophets whose end was the grave.
Finally, Christ offers His salvation as a free gift (Romans 5:15; 6:23), that can only be received by faith, apart from any works or merit on our part (Ephesians 2:8-9). As the apostle Paul tells us, the gospel is “the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile” (Romans 1:16). The same inspired author tells us, “If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9).
These, then, are the essential elements of the gospel: the sin of all men, the death of Christ on the cross to pay for those sins, the resurrection of Christ to provide life everlasting for those who follow Him, and the offer of the free gift of salvation to all.
which PERSON OF GOD is talking here? If there are TWO more persons of GOD, then for you this person of GOD is lying. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. There is no God except me. - ISA 45:5
That was excellent Jeff. Well done and thank you.🙏. God bless and keep teaching.👊
Wonderful, Pastor Jeff! AMEN!!!
Well put together, thank you.
More and more are coming out.
Watchtower has had its day.
Ah! Mr. Spurious verse user it seems. Fulfilling Matthew 24:9.
@@tongakhan230 With the early anouncement ...this year.. of 320 or 350 Kingdom Halls going up internationally, it looks like we have the increase to fill them!
@@celticmarmite6048 : More and more are volunteering to help build these Kingdom Halls all over the world.
Matthew 9:37 Then he said to his disciples: “Yes, the harvest is great, but the workers are few. 38 Therefore, beg the Master of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest.”
@@tongakhan230 can you prove 1914 in your Bible?
I just spoke to some JWs on my college's campus this past weekend. It was a very interesting encounter as they refused to respond to John 1 and began to attack me for coming to speak with them. I will continue to pray for them and others who do not see the true Jesus Christ. I also want to thank the Apologia Studios ministry. Your videos and teaching inspire me to love and honor God more in my encounters with others and equip many believers with fantastic resources.
Please, no scam comments! JWs do not attack anyone. It is others who do the attacking as this video proves.
What is about John 1 that is hard to understand?
Jesus didn't say to the Samaritan woman, that the true worshippers would be worshipping him...the Son of God. Or direct her attention to the year 325AD, when the tri(3)nity was first formulated at the Council of Niacea.
However, a christian listens to the voice of Jesus and not to strangers.
Jesus words found at : John 2: 23, 24:
" Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship *the* *Father* with spirit and truth, for indeed, *the* *Father* is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.
Apostle Paul clearly taught one person 'alone' is God:
Actually to us there is One God the * Father* ......" No he didn't say that the Son, or holy spirit is God...only *the* * Father* is the One God, whom Jesus called : " the *only* true God , at John 17: 3.
Praise be *to* the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. ( 2
Corinthians 1: 3 )
@@celticmarmite6048 are you a JW?
@@tongakhan230 can you prove 1914 in your Bible? Who’s Charles Taze Russell? Is that your leader?
Thank you jeff your honesty helps us learn God's word
God Bless Apologia Studios, Jeff, Luke, James and so many others who do the outreach to lost sheep in the watchtower, you guys were integral to my waking up process and even further into my born again experience!
lost sheep would be trinity fable as Christ clearly told his people he is not god but such lost sheep would go by man made not biblical teachings!
Miss you on your own channel, BornAgainExJW!
@@mrm8850 guessing you’re a jw?
@@ritastevenson5639 thank you Rita, sorry for my absence. I hope to be making more videos very soon.
@@mrm8850
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are other examples of passages that present three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also the other instances when Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity-the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply something our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
So according to them, Jesus was just a man? If that's true, we're screwed
Yep
Jeff you’ve always seemed to do graceful work and I’ve always seen Gods grace in you. Your much better than many preachers and pastors I’ve seen online.
Thank you,
Thank you Pastor Jeff for your faithful preaching of the truth! God bless you brother!
Taking on God's people is speaking the truth????????????
Tonga, JW's aren't God's people.
Question for you. What evidence do you have that the GB were chosen by Jesus in 1919?
@@tongakhan230 can you prove 1914 in your Bible?
We thank God for having you always putting effort into fighting against these heresies, brother!
May the Lord bless your work!
Heresies would be denying Christ all together not a fable trinity that is not spoken in the bible 4th century rubbish man made crap not biblical!
May who bless you?? Which lord?? This one Lord or this one LORD because those two lords are separate entities. One is God and the other is his Son. So which one should he hope to be blessed by??? Oh and 3 doesn't mean they are 1 No No! My son is not ME and I am not MY son. Were in the likeness of God and that means that they are like us. Obviously since Jesus came as a Man.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk The Bible said that they are one. The will of the Father is the will of the Son. Technically, he will be blessed by the triune God.
@exploringGod So if they are one, I guess the Congregation that Jesus was praying for and said, "So that they may be one just as you and I are one, are God too. Right??? When it says they are one, it means that they are in agreement with each other. Not that they are 1. Come on man think and use the brains that God gave you. And it doesn't take the Son of God to be God. God is God and his Son is his Son. MY son isn't me. And I am not my son. We come in the likeness of God right?? That means that they are like us as well. That's why Jesus came to earth as a man. Again, there is no Triune. Jesus is Jesus, Jehovah/Yahweh/Yod-He-Waw-He, whatever you want to call him by, aka God is God. And the Holy Spirit is from God. If Jesus was God then answer this. Mark 13: 31 and 32 Jesus says "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away. Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, Not the Angels, Nor the Son, but only the Father. If Jesus is apart of the Almighty God then why doesn't he know when Heaven and earth are going to pass away??? You'd think that even a small part of the ALMIGHTY GOD would know something like that. But im sure you have some kind of excuse for why Jesus, who you say is part of the Almighty God doesn't know. So, thanks for stopping by, but I just don't see it that way nor will you or anyone else ever convince me that it's 3 are 1 crap. Jesus is not God Almighty, I'll give you this though. He is a Mighty God. The Bible does say that about him but Almighty and Mighty have two different meanings Almighty means absolute power, No equal. And Mighty means strong, powerful. That's the difference between God and Jesus.
@@exploringGod Did you never read Jesus' prayer to his own God at John 17 ? John 17 :21-23 ...it reads: " 21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that *they* may be perfected into *one*, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me.
One in unity, purpose and deed!
Can we acknowledge how cool that Jehova's Witness 's video is tho? 😅 that's very well produced
Yes, their videos are always of high quality.
I dont kno so much of His word and I AM SO THANKFUL for these teachings as this equips me to teach my kids (6 and 4 y.old) to stand firm in His word, as i havnt studied His word so diligently.
I was so sad that I cldnt defend the Lord's word according to how sacred I think and feel of Him whilst not "knowing" alot of His truth/facts as the JWs are at our door sort of "bombardng me" and somewhat making me feel "like i dnt know our Lord" like they do. My job takes alot of my energy but i do try to keep my kids aware of Jesus sacrifice for all who hears Him. So thankful for this. I feel i can orchestrate my next conversation with any more jw at my door in future so we can extend these teachings of His word with love in hope they see the truth and follow through with it in repentance and hand in hand with Jesus. I have written your teachings , the highlighters are tipped and my head is no longer foggy. Praise be to God the father, Lord Jesus, our great comforter.
Excellently delivered Jeff.. God bless you ...
I find the background music distracting. I feel like pastor Jeff is competing with it.
I always ask Jehovah's Witnesses who raised Jesus from the dead? Their answer: Jehovah. Correct! Can you turn to John 2:19 and read for me...
John 2:19-21 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
So, who did Jesus say would raise Him? Jesus is either a liar or Jehovah.
Who raised Jesus from the dead? Jehovah.
The Father: Acts 2:32, Galatians 1:1
The Holy Spirit: Romans 8:11, 1Peter 3:18
The Son: John 2:19, 10:18
Jah raised Jesus’ spirit. And as a life giving spirit, Jesus raised his body / IT up.
Moving on from Trinity nonsense….
This cannot be real. Jesus resurrected HIMSELF! How can that be possible? Dead persons DO NOT EXIST (cf Genesis 3:19).
I'll give a hint so to save any embarrassment.
The Kitchen of the House IS NOT the House. Get it?
Temple of Jesus' Body is NOT his body.
Bodies are never resurrected. People are.
You do know Jesus raising his body and God resurrecting him are 2 different things right? When you understand this, you will realise that it was you who has been the liar.
Proverbs 8: 22-31
ADONAI made me as the beginning of his way, the first of his ancient works. 23 I was appointed before the world, before the start, before the earth's beginnings.
When I was brought forth, there were no ocean depths, no springs brimming with water. 25 I was brought forth before the hills, before the mountains had settled in place 26 he had not yet made the earth, the fields,
or even the earth's first grains of dust.
When he established the heavens, I was there.
When he drew the horizon's circle on the deep 28 when he set the skies above in place,
when the fountains of the deep poured forth,
when he prescribed boundaries for the sea, so that its water would not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth, 30 I was with him as someone he could trust.
For me, every day was pure delight, as I played in his presence all the time, 31 playing everywhere on his earth, and delighting to be with humankind.
COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE
An English Version by David H. Stern
Excellent work! Amazing 👏 All praise to God for giving you great knowledge 🙌
Psalms 86:9,10
9 All the nations you have made will come and bow before you, Adonai;
they will honor your name.
10 For you are great, and you do wonders;
you alone are God.
These videos are so good. Facts only. Thank you, Jeff. It is great to confirm what we’ve seen in JWs as they spread their false doctrines. Videos like this help all of us to be able to talk to these people with the right verses, etc. (The background music is distracting.)
but are they false fact as much as you claim such trinity fable like hell fire fable as the original bible does not speak of such trinity no hell or do you just go along with being mislead easily as many say yes to the wrong Dress!
@@mrm8850
Which original Bible are you speaking of, please?
Was Jesus false in his words when he called his own God:" ..the *only* true God.." ? ( John 17: 3) Why would Almighty God have a God above him and over him at every step of his existence?
Was the apostle Paul a liar, when he said:" Actually to us there is One God *the* *Father*....? ( 1 Corinthians 8: 6 ) His words, clearly eliminate any other persons from constituting the wholeone...namely the One God... the Father!
Was Jesus spreading a falsehood, when he had the conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well and said that the *true* worshippers would be worshipping the *Father*?
He didn't say that the time is coming and it us now when the true worshippers would worship him, or the time is coming ....325AD, when the people would start formulating the Tri(3)nity doctrine.
Jesus said:" Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” ( John 4: 23, 24 )
John 17:1-3 KJV
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: [2] As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. [3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Jesus accepted Thomas statement in John 20:28, that he spoke directly to ( him ): him in the Greek refers to Jesus: "The LORD of me and the GOD of me."
Yes the Father is the one true God, and all honour due unto the Father is also due unto the Son, we see this in John 5:22-23
If we honour Jesus as The Father is honoured then we honour Jesus as God, if he isn’t God then he has commanded Idolatry. But Christ is not a sinner and therefore we MUST honour them both.
does not mean Jesus is Christ! or trinity not in bible!
@@mrm8850 can you prove 1914 in your Bible?
I’ve got a group of really nice JWs that stand outside my work pretty regularly, this will be good to have in my pocket if we ever get to talking. Please keep praying for all of them.
What is one's line of attack? What this guy spewed out?
@@tongakhan230 can you prove 1914 in your Bible?
Thank you Jeff this was really well presented thank you very much. Best regards Billy Baker,
Cape Town, South Africa
Yes, he makes for a good sophist. Michael Meiring, Cape Town, South Africa
Could someone help me with this? JWs mistranslate John 8:58 as "Before Abraham was, I have been", to mean that he simply existed before Abraham's birth as a created angel. But if Jews thought Jesus was simply a materialized angel that has existed for a long time, would they have still tried to stone him? I don't think the Jews would and even if they thought Jesus was claiming to be an angel, they probably would have just not believed him and left him alone. Am I right? Because if so, a JW would be forced to admit that the reason they tried to stone him was that he was literally claiming to be God, right?
ego eimi means I am, I was, I have been and I existed. And the Septuagint says I AM THE BEING, totally different from just saying I am, I was
Correct. The entire section is a dispute over the identity of Jesus.
In John 8 Jesus said to the Jewish leaders, "Unless you believe that I AM (εγω ειμι) you will die in your sins." Jesus used "I AM" without a predicate, which is a self-designation of God in the OT. The Jews recognized that Jesus had used the unpredicated "I AM" but missed the identity claim he was making. Instead the Jews were waiting for Jesus to add a predicate, which is why they asked the question, "Who are you?" Jesus answer coyly, "What I told you from the beginning."
This discourse goes back and forth. Finally, when Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus day, the Jews incredulously replied, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was (γενεσθαι), I AM (εγω ειμι)." Jesus was not simply saying that he existed before Abraham. He didn't say "I was" (ημην) but "I am" (εγω ειμι)-grammatically incorrect, theologically spot on! He was claiming to be Jehovah - the I AM of Deu 32:39 and Isa 43:10 (on this below). The Jews got it this time, they understood what he was saying, which is why they picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy (which was the “penalty for blasphemy (Lev 24:16)-blasphemy here is regarded as laying claim to the divine ineffable name.”(1)
Now, just as you said, if JW's want to argue that Jesus was simply claiming to preexist before Abraham they have to explain the reaction of the Jews. If he was simply claiming to be older than Abraham they would have laughed at Him and thought He was crazy - Jews didn’t kill people for being crazy - but they understood He was claiming to be Jehovah.
Why did they instantly know he was claiming to be Jehovah and picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy?? Because they knew their Bible and in Deu 32:39 in the LXX it says: “ιδετε ιδετε οτι εγω ειμι, και ουχ εστιν θεος πλην εμου” (Look! Behold, that I AM, and there is no God except me) and Isa 43:10 - "You are my witnesses," declares Jehovah, "and my servant whom I have chosen ινα γνωτε και πιστευσητε και συνητε οτι εγω ειμι” (that you might know and might believe and might understand that I AM). The Jews understood what Jesus was saying, but JW's refuse to acknowledge the crystal clear point John is making-Jesus is Jehovah, co-equal in nature to Jehovah the Father.
Furthermore, A similar Greek construction to John 8:58 is found in Ps 89:2 which says,“before the mountains were, you are.” In Greek it says, προ τοῦ ὄρη γενηθῆναι (“came to be”)… συ εἶ (“you are” the second-person equivalent of εγω ειμι). “The Greek sentence here reflects the same grammatical structure as John 8:58 and uses the same verbs to make the same contrast between that which is created and temporal and the one who is uncreated and eternal.”(2) Murray Harris also says,“the timeless εἰμί points to the absolute, independent, and eternal existence of Jesus; it places Jesus ‘in God’s existence beyond time, in his eternal present’.”(3)
The translators of the NWT understand the implications of this so they errantly translate εγω ειμι as a historical present, “I have been.” The NWT (1950 ed.) has a footnote that says, “It is not the same as ὁ ὤν (ho ohn’, meaning ‘The Begining’ or ‘The I Am’) at Exodus 3:14, LXX.” Dan Wallace points out that “this is a negative admission that if ἐγὼ εἱμί is _not_ a historical present, then Jesus is here claiming to be the one who spoke to Moses at the burning bush, the I AM, the eternally existing One, Yahweh (cf. Exod 3:14 in the LXX, ἐγὼ εἱμι ὁ ὤν).”(4) Wallace demonstrates that there are several problems grammatically with seeing εγω ειμι as a historical present: 1) “historical presents are usually wedged in between aorist (or imperfect) _indicatives,_ not infinitives.” 2) This would be the only historical present in the NT that uses εἰμί. 3) This would be the only historical present in the NT that is not in third person. For these reasons, Wallace says “The burden of proof, therefore, lies with the one who sees εἰμί as _ever_ being used as a historical present.”(5)
Now, the GB have recognized they can't claim it is a historical present so they have switched to a Present of Past Action still in Progress. If you want me to explain this, let me know.
Finally, JW’s will also object saying that εγω ειμι is used by people who were not claiming deity (cf. Joh 4:26, 9:9, etc.). This is correct, εγω ειμι “does not necessarily imply deity when it contextually implies, ‘I am (the one in question)’... [but] when ‘I am’ lacks even an implied predicate, however, it becomes unintelligible except as an allusion to God’s name in the Hebrew Bible or LXX….The absolute use of the expression in 8:58, contrasted explicitly with Abraham’s finite longevity, clearly refers to a Jewish name for God.”(6)
Contextually, grammatically, and intertextually, there is no question that Jesus was claiming to be the “I AM” of Deu 32:39 & Isa 43:10, and Exo 3:14. In other words, Jesus claimed to be God.
Hope this helps.
(1) Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015). (2) Robert M. Bowman Jr. and J. Ed Komoszewski, Putting Jesus in His Place (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 2007). (3) Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015). (4) Daniel B Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics : An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1997), 531. (5) Wallace, GGBB, 530. (6) Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 769-770.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Wow, thank you so much. That is a great, scholarly response. I very much appreciate that. You have given me a lot to process and understand but if it isn't much trouble to you, could you explain that part where you said "the GB have recognized they can't claim it is a historical present so they have switched to a Present of Past Action still in Progress"? I am no scholar or anything but I would love to know.
In the past, JW’s have argued that John 8:58 is a historical present.[1] This was abandoned because the verse doesn’t fit the criteria of a historical present (see Wallace’s Grammar for criteria).[2] JW’s now argue for what is variously termed as something like “Present of Past Action still in Progress” (PPA).[3] Fanning states that this category "always includes an adverbial phrase or other time-indication with the present verb to signal the past-time meaning."[4] John 14:9 fits the criteria but John 8:58 does not. JW’s will point to a couple grammars that have included John 8:58 into this category, as if that settles the matter, in spite of the fact that other grammarians have shown that the verse doesn’t fit the criteria for the category.
John 14:9 says, “Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long,” λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· τοσούτῳ χρόνῳ μεθ’ ὑμῶν εἰμι.
τοσούτῳ χρόνῳ “so long a time” modifies ειμι ‘I am’ so that ειμι is properly translated as a PPA and thus “Have I been.”
John 8:58 (ESV) says, “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am,’” εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.
Eγω ειμι in John 8:58 is not modified by a time reference. The time reference in this verse, πριν ‘before,’ modifies γενέσθαι ‘came into being’ or ‘was.’ Second, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ‘before Abraham was,’ is a subordinate clause, not an adverbial phrase. Therefore, John 8:58 doesn’t fit the criteria of a PPA.
As I said in my last post, the entire chapter is taken up with the identity of Jesus and he identifies himself with God’s self-designation of the absolute εγω ειμι from Deu 32:39; Isa 43:10, etc., which is built upon God's revelatory name in Exo 3:14. (A really neat thing to do is look at Deu 32:39 in the Aramaic Tragum to see how the Jew's interpreted this verse, then look at Rev 1:8.) The Jews understood his claim and sought to stone him for blasphemy.
This is how the early church fathers understood Jesus’ claim. Chrysostom wrote, “But wherefore said He not, ‘Before Abraham was, I was,’ instead of ‘I Am’? As the Father useth this expression, ‘I Am,’ so also doth Christ; for it signifieth continuous Being, irrespective of all time. On which account the expression seemed to them to be blasphemous.”[5]
The problem is that unitarians do not accept that Jesus is God so they must twist the word of God to make it say something they can stomach. John’s Gospel, however, explicitly proclaims that Jesus is God (John 1:1, 18; 20:28).
Regards,
Kevin
[1] w57 2/15 p. 126-127
[2] Daniel B Wallace, Greek Grammar beyond the Basics : An Exegetical Syntax of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1996), 530-31.
[3] Buist M. Fanning, Verbal Aspect in New Testament Greek (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1990), 2017.
[4] Fanning, Verbal Aspect, 2017.
[5] Chrysostom, “Homilies on St. John” in Schaff, The Nicene and Post- Nicene Fathers, 14:199.
@@benjamint8073 The Septuagint text says I AM THE BEING, totally different from just saying I am, also just saying I am does not make you GOD. Why, when you say "I am" you are GOD yourself? nope.
What scripture tells us to worship Jesus?
So much scripture in fact the angels worship Jesus
Thank you SO very much!
Awesome brother, thanks!!
There is one God almighty. He who formed the world, he who fashioned man, he who is God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, above whom there is no other God. He is the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. For almost all the different sects of heretics admit that there is one God; but then, by there pernicious doctrines, they change this truth into error.
Yes, but then same time Trinitarians ministries like apologia here always try to hide or ignore the fact that scripture teaches that while there is only one Almighty God (YHWH), the Father.
In a secondary sense others in heaven like the angels as "sons of God" are also called "gods" as well (Psa. 8:5; 97:7; 138:1, "elohim").
So if Christ as the firstborn and greatest "Son of God" is head of these angelic beings as gods. Then that would make him "a god" as another lesser divine being alongside God the Father.
John 1:1-5 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”
John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1 clearly says that Jesus is God.
@@antonioterrell354Isaiah 9:6-7 “6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and of peace
there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
from this time forth and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.”
Isaiah 9 clearly says a Son (The Messiah) will be born and He will be called The Mighty God, aka God Almighty aka THE LORD aka YHWH. Go ahead and check the Hebrew.
@@antonioterrell3542nd comment: There is only one God Almighty, YHWH, the triune God of scripture. He is one and yet He clearly displays Himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
@@ogloc6308 I think what you meant to say is “there is only one God YHWH, they are one and yet they clearly displays themselves as father, son, and spirit.”
I’m curious what is your definition of the word God?
John 6:46
Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.
If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and *have seen him”*
(John 14:7 ESV).
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer the stupid one according to his foolishness, So that you do not put yourself on his level.
@Jahboi100 Here we go again lol. It has already been explained and refuted what SEE means based on context.
So is it "no man has seen God at anytime?
Or no man has known God at anytime?
Is it seeing God leads to death?
Or knowing God leads to death?
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. (John 1:18 ESV)
Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, then comes the harvest’? Look, I tell you, lift up your eyes, and see that the fields are white for harvest. (John 4:35 ESV)
Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” (John 9:39 ESV)
“He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”(John 12:40 ESV)
If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” (John 14:7 ESV)
In John 4:35, Jesus tells his disciples to “see” that the fields are white. He is not speaking about physically looking at a field but spiritually discerning that people need to be saved.
In John 9:39, Jesus says that he came so that people who do not see will see, and people who do see will be blinded. Is he speaking about physical sight? He just healed a blind man after all. No. He was speaking about spiritually perceiving who Jesus is.
In John 12:40, John cites Isaiah saying that God has blinded their eyes. Did he smite everyone with physical blindness? No.
In John 14:7, Jesus says that his disciples have seen the Father. Did they physically see him? No, they have comprehended who the Father is by their knowledge of Jesus.
John says in 1 John 3:6 that a person who keeps on sinning has never seen Jesus. Does that mean that the religious leaders crucified the invisible man? No.
So why must we believe that “see” in John 1:18 is physical sight, when we are clearly told that God was seen in the OT? Because the GB say so. Why should we trust them? Because they claim to have been chosen by Jesus as the FDS. But why should we trust their claim to be the FDS when they are basing their claim off a parable AND didn’t even know they had been chosen in 1919. They were still proclaiming that Russell was the FDS in 1925. They just decided one day that Jesus had actually chosen them and now you have to listen to what they say and give them your money … just like every other cult leader. You might want to look into the history of the FDS.
@kevinfromcanada So which is it?
No man has seen God at any time?
Or no man has known God at any time?
(Hint: we know the latter isn't true)
Which is it?
Seeing God means death?
Or knowing God means death?
Amazing video, thank you and God bless you ❤🙏
Love this! Thank you for your content.
1) Jesus christ is the SON of God, CLEARLY stated in the bible. You can simply understand that if you read the bible.Jehovah God is the God almighty,the ancient of days which our lord jesus christ refers to in the bible as our father..that is how jesus christ thought the twelve disciples how to pray "Our father in Heaven,hollowed be thy name" .
2) you see, Satan tempted jesus christ our lord in the wildernesses by saying" if you are the SON of God,throw yourself down here" and Satan quoted the verses in the old testament ( Luke 4:9-12) in reply jesus christ our lord also quoted a text in the old testament saying in it WRITTEN, do not put Jehovah your God to the test" Satan knew who jesus christ was
In Phillipians, Paul wrote to the Philippians in phillipians 1 verse 2 "Grace be unto you,and peace, from God our father and from the lord jesus christ" in phillipians 2:3 Paul is encouraging them not to do things with strife/egotistical but with humility like jesus christ although having the form of God on earth but declining to compare himself with God,that is in Philippians 2 vesrse 4-6.
You see, in the bible the scriptures clearly mentions jesus christ as the SON of the most high God.
The word Jehovah was added it’s not in the Greek. Plus is Jesus a fake God, he is referred to as the Mighty God
John who grew up with and around Jesus and was Jesus' most beloved apostle wrote,
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20.
If he had written, 'no man has seen God the Father at any time' or 'no man has seen God in all his glory at any time' then it may have helped some Trinitarian theology.
He however, states that GOD HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN.
If, according to these charlatans' theories, Jesus was God, then it means that no one actually saw Jesus. Or perhaps John meant that only women saw Jesus by using the term 'no man'
Also someone should have schooled Jesus to the fact that he was God. He probably forgot because he told the Samaritan woman:
.(John 4:24) GOD IS A SPIRIT, and those worshipping HIM must worship with spirit and truth.”
This disfigurement of Jehovah God's uniqueness farce will soon end, thankfully. 2 Thessalonians 1:7,8.
John also wrote,
“Everyone remaining in union with him (Jesus) does not practice sin; no one who practices sin has either seen him (Jesus) or come to know him” (1 John 3:2 NWT).
So JW's must think that the religious leaders crucified the invisible man!
And John wrote,
"Jesus then said: 'For this judgment I came into this world, that those not seeing might see and those seeing might become blind'" (John 9:37 NWT).
So JW's must think that Jesus physically blinded everyone who didn't believe in him, so they couldn't physically see him.
If JW's argue that they don't think Jesus was invisible to anyone continuing in sin (like the religious leaders), or that Jesus didn't physically blind people who didn't believe in him, then they show themselves to be inconsistent with John 1:18 & 1John 4:12, especially in light of the fact that the OT explicitly says that people saw God (Exo 24:10).
@kevinfromcanada The Greek word for see is horaō and means both to 1) see with the eyes and to 2) see with the mind, to perceive, know.
At 1 Jo. 3:6 the word seen is obviously referring to perceiving. As the Pharisees have seen Jesus.
But at Jo. 1:18 and 1 Jo. 4:12 the word seen is referring to seeing with our eyes physically.
It's important to SEE what is meant by context.
For instance, the phrase "no man has seen God at any time" refers to to physical sight, because we know many know God. The bible is full of examples throughout history who did.
Plus Ex. 33:20 is very clear in the physical seeing part by mentioning his face.
Also, if it meant "knowing" God, then knowing God would lead to death!
SEE what I mean?
So, it obviously stands to reason that, since no man has physically seen God, and they physically saw Jesus, Jesus is NOT God.
Thanks Mark for showing the inconsistency of JW’s. It’s always nice to have my posts validated.
“No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him” (1 John 3:6 ESV).
Clearly “seen” in this verse doesn’t mean “know” since John explicitly says, “OR _known_ him.”
Yet, you said,
[At 1 Jo. 3:6 the word seen is obviously referring to perceiving. As the Pharisees have seen Jesus. But at Jo. 1:18 and 1 Jo. 4:12 the word seen is referring to seeing with our eyes physically.]
But you didn’t make your case. You said that 1John 3:6 is “obviously referring to perceiving [because] the Pharisees have seen Jesus.” Well in that case John 1:18 and 1John 4:12 must also be referring to “perceiving” since the OT explicitly says that people saw God (Exo 24:10) and that God appeared to people (Gen 18:1).
JW’s engage in circular reasoning at this point. They say that Exo 24:10 can’t be something they saw physically because John 1:18 and 1John 4:12 say that no one has seen God, and then say that John 1:18 and 1John 4:12 must be speaking about physical sight because Exo 24:10 wasn’t something they saw physically. And round they go.
The real reason JW’s claim John 1:18 and 1John 4:12 is speaking about physical sight is because Jesus’ deity is so clearly affirmed in the NT, and especially in John’s writings, that they are grasping at something to push back with because they reject the testimony of the Scriptures.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth So which is it?
Does seeing God lead to death?
Or does knowing God lead to death?
@kevinfromcanada Or which is it?
No man has known God at any time?
Or no man has seen God at any time?
Pastor Jeff! You need to do a Nationwide University debate tour.
God bless you Pastor Jeff for the work and ministry you do. This video cleared up the confusion I have about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I used to think they were separate beings but now understand that they are one being, three different consciousness. Thank you 🙏🏻
Self conscious is the definition of being a being.
And even the trinity theory states that the Father is NOT the son and the son is NOT the Father.
That means they are 3 separate and distinct individuals.
@@StretchMn The trinity is not a theory.
Jehovah knows everything!
well Jehovah is not his name as well as trinity fable 😃
@mrm8850 that's your choice. I know yahweh , Jah, jehovah is his name .
@@janetcavazos3133 and also that is not gods name do your study the Hebrew language did not use the letter e no e in language what you do get is for god is YaHaWaHa and christ name is YAHAWASHI
LOL@@mrm8850 same old tired lies. You believe white folks are edomites to huh? 🤣😂 That crap has proven false since it's inception at 1 west. They didn't know anything of how to read hebrew/greek/aramaic , yet gonna say they know how things are properly spoken??? Aren't you sick and tired of being the butt of that camp's jokes? the blasphemy and heresy and racial hatred already proves the spirit ain't in a single one of those leaders all the way back. I pray Yeshua Christ, the True and Living God, opens your heart and mind to His word and frees you from that cult. The Word says to be spiritually minded, yet almost all of those cult LIES are focused on the flesh and worldly gain at their core.
I will not be doing any back and forth with you, cuz you know deep down that stuff is ridiculous. I pray your eyes are opened.
@@mrm8850 Hebrew Bible Scholar ..Dr Nehemia Gordon has now exposed over 1,000 manuscripts...including new testament manuscripts, from the Vatican archives in Hebrew.. finding manuscripts with the 'full vowels' , which predate Raymundus Martini, and is making God's name known as ' Yehovah' . He has no hesitation to use the English pronunciation ' Jehovah', which has been around for centuries and was minted on coins.
Exodus 3: 15 “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever
English Revised Version
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth. ( Psalm 83: 18 ) *Alone*
If God is some 3 in 1 personality, then the Bible fails to promote such an idea.
We get the expression 'God's Son' regarding Jesus (John 10:36)
We get the expression 'God's holy spirit' (Ephesians 4:30).
Why is it we NEVER get the expression 'God's Father'???????
Logically it means that only the Father is God.
The other two BELONG to God.
Like saying Tommy's bicycle. A bicycle BELONGING to Tommy.
Guess JWs have got it correct as they promote Isaiah 43:10.
'.....And understand that I AM THE SAME ONE. Before me no God was formed, And AFTER ME THERE HAS BEEN NONE.'
Making Jesus and the holy spirit into God is a violation of God's explicit command.
Exodus 20:3 You must not have any other gods besides me.
"God is some 3 in 1 personality"? Who believes that? Trinitarians don't. This is a strawman-something that JW's are great at constructing because they can't face what trinitarians actually believe.
I'm glad that you mentioned Exo 20:3 though because Thomas called Jesus, "MY God." So either he was breaking this commandment or he was including Jesus within the identity of the one God. Which is it?
@kevinfromcanada Ro. 15:6 - the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Eph. 1:17 - the God of our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Co. 15:24 - his God and Father
2 Co. 1:3 - Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
2 Co. 11:31 - The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Pe. 1:3 - the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
Re. 1:6 - ...to his God and Father
Jesus himself calls God "my God."
Mt. 27:46 - "My God, my God..." (Mr. 14:34)
Jo. 20:17 - "my Father... my God"
He. 10:7 - "...to do your will O God."
Re. 3:2 - "...before my God."
Re. 3:12 - "...in the temple of my God... write upon him the name of my God... the city of my God... out of heaven from my own God..."
So Jesus' God is his Father.
You don't have the same God Jesus has?
JWs do.
Jesus said his Father (his God) is the only true God. (Jo. 17:1-3)
Jesus said to worship his Father only at Jo. 4:23.
(btw, Jesus said his God is a spirit. While Jesus was flesh)
Paul understood this because he said the only God to us (true worshippers) is the Father! (1 Co. 8:5,6)
Do you think the God of Jesus is a trinity too? 😂
And wouldn't that mean you have six gods?
Great deflection Mark! Really well done... but do you care to address the question that was asked?
You know that trinitarians believe that Jesus has a God because of the incarnation (the divine Son became human).
You know that trinitarians believe that Jesus was speaking to the Father when he said "My God, my God," etc..
You know that trinitarians believe that Paul is taking the Shema and applying it to both the Father and Son in 1Cor 8:6.
So your post is nothing but a deflection away from the question regarding Thomas's confession that Jesus was his God.
@kevinfromcanada The trinity theory states that the Father is NOT the son and the son is NOT the Father.
It also states that Jesus never ceased being God, for how can God not be God?
You just proved the trinity theory false by saying Jesus called his God the Father.
That means one of your Gods has a God over him.
Which makes sense, because Jo. 1:1,2 said God was WITH God.
God sent sent Jesus.
Jesus prayed to God.
God gave Jesus power and authority.
God exalted Jesus to be WITH God at his right hand.
The head of Jesus is God.
And all you can do is go around saying EACH of your gods are worshipped.
And you bounce around with 1 or 2 out of your 3 gods is Jehovah.
Thus ignoring De. 6:4 which says Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah.
What's more, you believe Jesus is still incarnate. But Jesus said God is a spirit.
Which means Jesus can't be omnipresent, or he'd be one massive blob of flesh and we couldn't exist.
EVERY single belief of the trinity is a stretch, twists scripture and makes the scriptures conflict and makes everything God AND Jesus do a deceitful playact.
To those not blinded by Satan, the scriptures are in harmony and true.
@kevinfromcanada And do mean your question, "Is God one individual with 3 personalities?
Absolutely not. God is one being, his name is Jehovah. He is the Father of Jesus, the head of Jesus. Jesus' God.
Jesus is a separate and distinct individual being. He is God's only-begotten son. Jehovah is the God of Jesus and sent him and gave him power to be our savior.
Thank you again for proving the trinity theory false!
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of “GOD” and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV
Exodus 34:14
Because you are not to bow down to any other god; since ADONAI- whose very name is Jealous - is a jealous God.
Luke 4:8
Yeshua answered him,
“Worship Adonai your God and serve him only.”
John 4:23
23 But the time is coming - indeed, it's here now - when the true worshippers will worship the Father spiritually and truly, for these are the kind of people the Father wants worshipping him.
Exodus 10:26
26 Our livestock will also go with us - not a hoof will be left behind - because we must choose some of them to worship AdOnaI our God, and we don't know which ones we will need to worship
ADONAI until we get there."
Psalm 95:6
Come, let's bow down and worship; let's kneel before ADonAI who made us.
2Chronicles 20:18
18 Y'hoshafat bowed his head with his face to the ground; while all Y'hudah and the inhabitants of Yerushalayim fell down before ADoNAl, worshipping ADoNAI.
1Samuel 1:3
3 This man went up from his city every year to worship and sacrifice to ADONAI-Tzva'ot in Shiloh.
The two sons of 'Eli, Hofni and Pinchas, were cohanim of ADONAI there.
Revelation 15:4
ADONaI, who will not fear and glorify your name?
because you alone are holy.
All nations will come and worship before you,
for your righteous deeds have been revealed."
Jeremiah 26:2
"ADONAI says: 'Stand in the courtyard of ADoNAi'S house and speak to the people from all the cities in Y'hudah who come to worship at ADONAi's house; say everything I order you to say to them, and don't leave out a word.
Ezekiel 46:9
But when the people of the land come before
ADONAI at the designated times, whoever comes in to worship by way of the north gate is to leave by way of the south gate, and whoever comes in by way of the south gate is to leave by way of the north gate; he is not to go back out through the gate by which he entered but is to exit straight ahead of him.
COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE
An English Version by David H. Stern
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of “GOD” and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV
Something to think about:
What if Jesus was created? What if he is the firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15)? Repeated at
Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:”
Is Jesus not the Amen?
Proverbs 8:22 “Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.”
Hmmm…..Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way…….
Who is the way?
John 14:6 “Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.””
If Proverbs 8:22 isn’t talking about Jesus, then who is it talking about?
Please continue with Proverbs 8:30 “Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;”
Who could this be?
It sounds like God the Father, Jehovah, who has no beginning, first created the son (see above), then, the son, being God’s master worker (Contractor, sub-contractor, as it were😀), created everything else.
John 1:3 “All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”
I’m going to repeat Jesus’ words to Satan when he tried to tempt him at
Matthew 4:10 “Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’””
I reiterate, just as Jesus did,
“HIM ALONE YOU MUST RENDER SACRED SERVICE”
Just showing a different perspective.
Proverbs 8 is about wisdom, and her being personified despite not actually being a person this showcases you lying red handed and perverted scripture to fit your case, proverbs 8 is not The Father, read it’s entirety. This doesn’t explain Jesus being honoured as the Father is honoured John 5:22-23 (which would be idolatry if he weren’t God) Mark 1 literally uses the prophecy from Isaiah 40:3 which calls whoever comes after John the Baptist (in normal translations; the Lord and God) in the NWT “Jehovah God”
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Jesus is clearly God. He’s not the father, but his divinity is not up for debate. If people actually read their bible, they’d see that The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit share a name. I would say Yahweh, witnesses would say the Father is Jehovah but if The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit share a name, that name is God. Because we baptise in it, and baptism is a form of worship of the triune nature of God
@@abford03 so why would Christ pray to himself and cry out father why have you forsaken me as you would claim cross and you say he is not up for debate? so what your saying is not to debate with you when Christ clearly tells his people he is not god! Matthew 24:36 Christ clearly tells his people he does not know nor do the angels only god in heaven but you claim he is not up for debate! would that debate be your telling us Christ is a liar? that Christ clearly told his people he is not Almighty god in Heaven? Matthew 24:36 john 6:46
@@mrm8850 you’re misunderstanding the trinity. Jesus is the divine Logos, the word, the Son. It was the Son who came incarnate in flesh, Jesus is praying to The Lord in Heaven, The Father.
Jesus prayed To The Father, Through His own Mediation, By The Holy Spirit dwelling within his incarnate flesh.
Jesus didn’t pray to himself, he prayed to the father. He prayed therefore to God. Because The Father is a person of the Being of God.
@@abford03 so what you are really doing is adding words to the bible with your trinity rubbish called lies all your doing is adding to the holy book it is that simple! so what your doing is making it up as you go putting words in Christs mouth! when clearly he did not preached about trinity he made it very clear to his people he was not god but you twist it in a way to suit trinity when clearly trinity is Fable! so what your saying is Christ😄 is a total liar when he made it clear he is not god! what your doing is making Christ look like a mental case!
@@abford03 trinity total does not exist 4th century man made doctrine no where in the bible does such trinity exist! a trinity fable man made lies and many still preach misleading lies! just like Satan likes to mislead many!
Great video as always
Thank you for always bringing so much detail and revelation, there are a lot of Jehovah Witnesses here and I want to be able to be prepared every time I see them instead of just ignoring them because they are souls as well and every life needs to know the real Jesus.
Who is the real Jesus?
There are only one true GOD...
If you push your against the exodus 20:2-4
Jesus is son of god
There is no trinity in bible... Trinity is a babylonia god and pagan god..
Jesua say I am because he is the one talking with moises...
Jesus said I and the father are one he try to say that they are unity
Yes, I totally agree and Jesus said to the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well that the true worshippers would be worshipping who ? Which person did he name ? Holy spirit, Son, or Father? ( John 4: 22, 23)
Jesus said the true worshippers would worship the * Father* in spirit and truth. No one else!
Regards.
Revelation 1: 1 : " A revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him. ..." Jesus is still ignorant of things, now that he's in heaven! and has to be given knowledge.
In Revelation 5 it states :" Go and take the scroll from the One who is seated on the throne...." and not even one mention of a third person! ( Revelation 5: 7 )
So is Jesus a fake God? Jesus is called the Mighty God. In fact the Father calls Jesus God.
So god sent himself to earth to prove to himself that he could be faithful to himself. 🤔 It doesn’t make sense that god would send himself. Obviously anyone could be faithful to the things they want. Through one man “Adam” sin entered into the world. Why would god pay for the sin of a man? Wouldn’t it make more sense that a man would have to pay for the sins that man has done. God inspired men to write the Bible and he made certain to write it in a way that makes sense to humans. So the title father and son makes sense to us because we are very familiar with the father son arrangement. Where in the Bible does it tell us not to take the father/son way of talking about god and Jesus literally? It makes so much more sense to send a separate person that isnt making the rules to see if they could live up to gods standards. Which Jesus did. He lived up to Jehovahs standard proving that humans are redeemable and gave all of us a hope for the future.
Its not up to us to understand, thats why God is infinite and we’re limited. You want to be your own God
And don’t ignore the false prophecies that your organization has made.
Jesus said all authority has been given to me from my father
Luke 4:8
Yeshua answered him,
“Worship Adonai your God and serve him only.”
John 4:23
23 But the time is coming - indeed, it's here now - when the true worshippers will worship the Father spiritually and truly, for these are the kind of people the Father wants worshipping him.
Trinity manmade nonsense. ONE true God the father.
Proof it
Proof it
Read the bible.
- And this is life eternal: that they might know Thee, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.
- yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
@@JKV84 LOL 😆 you obviously can't read well!
@@davidjanbaz7728i just quoted the bible.
Try reading it.
WHOSE WORD DO YOU TRUST MORE???
Jesus : John 20:17 (KJV) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Or
Paul and Timotheus says : bla bla bla bla
????
The entire Bible is Gods word. Bible has 40 different authors but influenced by Jesus spirit (Holy spirit).
Yes...
But the question is : Whose words do you trust more?
Words that came out of the mouth of Jesus himself or from someone else?
"Paul and Timotheus says : bla bla bla bla"?!?!?!
The things that Paul said are the words of God. Jesus himself could, in one breath say, "Moses said," and in another say, "God said." Why? Because the things that Moses said are what God said, just as the things that Paul said are what God said.
Oh, and Jesus did claim to be God (John 8:58), was confessed to be God (John 20:28), encouraged his followers to pray to him as God (John 14:14), and was worshiped as God (Luke 24:52).
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
it all does not answer this simple question.
The question is : Whose words do you trust more?
Words that came out of the mouth of Jesus himself or from someone else?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth
John 14:14 (KJV) If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
John 14:16 (KJV) *And I will pray the Father,* and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Did Jesus pray?
Hey Jeff, you don't need background music when you speak. Your voice alone carries with it adequate significance. I am straight with now, I could not get myself to bear it to the end.
Worship the Father.
Sorry but this Jeff guy has not even left the modern day Babylon the great as he is still cliniging to a very PAGAN image around his neck.......The instrument that Jesus died on was just that, a torture instrument, and all the evidence points to the fact that Jesus did not doe on a cross but rather a "upright pole of stake" !
An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” is stau·ros′. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·ros′] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”
In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy′lon. (Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”
The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.
So if there was a chance that this is true it means that people are putting Jesus onto a pagan symbol!
You've been shown before that you're wrong about the cross issue. Why are you still propagating false information?
This whole video is propagating false information, it's on CZcams selling exclusive members only content. Regardless if the torture stake was a cross or not, why would anyone, if not an idol worshipping pagan, be wearing an idol of a murder weapon around their neck? @@kevinfromcanada4379
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Wrong....no one has shown that it was a cross, and the reason is because it was NOT a cross.....prove it to me then !
Are you willing to be honest and answer questions that I pose to you?
If you're not willing to be honest, then no matter how much evidence is presented it will never be enough.
So are you willing to follow the evidence, or will you side with the organization no matter what?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 I go with the Bible that is my evidence !
Another excellent teaching
this is why I have such an issue with trying to find "the truth" because I was born and raised in that cult, and I grew up knowing that we already have the truth. I don't have to search. Now that I woke up it's very hard to trust and actually comprehend what the bible really teaches. Im so skeptical of everything now that it's 10x harder. But watching your videos regarding my former religion has been an immense help. Thank you for all your work.
One huge thing to remember .John 14:6 - Jesus is the Way and the TRUTH ! He is the TRUTH .to be of the truth is to follow,trust and to ask JESUS to live inside you .That is how to be "of the truth " The TRUTH is the person -JESUS. The JW truth is a organization; not the real PERSON of JESUS ! Pray to Jesus and ask HIM to be TRUTH to you .
Now you believe Jesus is his own father that he is Son of God almighty and also is his own....Wow
Isaiah 43:10
“You are my witnesses,” says Adonai,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you can know and trust me
and understand that I am he -
no god was produced before me,
nor will any be after me.
You preaching encourages me thank you
it is not encouraging when a liar tell you Christ is god when Christ truly did not say he was and we go along with fable like hell fable teachings from misleading people!
@mrm8850 Na, I choose not to believe what you just said, and yes Jesus is most definitely God. Ive bet my entire life on him and the gospel. And I've spent the majority of my life telling people to stay away from mormonism, catholicism, jehova witnesses, and other false religions and cults, which is why this preaching is particularly special to me. Also, a did bit of advice for you, stay away from the new world translation bible, it's not right.
@@mrm8850 can you prove 1914 in the Bible? Who is Charles Taze Russell? Is that your leader?
What's your opinion on the rapture? I can't find any videos in your channel about it.
What I'm finding at least in SE Michigan is they are not going door to door but sending letters. I have been on more than one occasion written them back with a reply trying to engage with them through written letters and emails.
live and let live
Best wishes the Lord will bless the seed you sow
Back when I was in youth group in the early 2000's, we had former JW's come and speak to us about the truth of what they believe and how they practiced. A lot of us were pretty shocked because we were new Christians ourselves and didn't know any better.
If you're reading this, just know that salvation in Christ is enough and it's a free gift to invite Him into your life to start fresh. 🙏✝️
I thought that Christians were Jesus' DISCIPLES.
This man with a cross around his neck is a WORSHIPER of Jesus.
@@tongakhan230 Baptism is an act of worship within the church, and it is made in the name of the Son, as well as in the name of the Father and the Spirit. We disciple so that they worship.
@@Hez0 : Jesus commanded that DISCIPLES be made. Never worshipers.
No one is ever baptized in the name of Father, Son and holy spirit among CHRISTIANS.
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.
What churches practice and what Jesus' Disciples do are poles apart.
@@tongakhan230 So you just ignore the words of Christ in Matt 28:19 in the great commission? Do you also ignore the part where it says in the very same verse to go and disciple the nations? Why not? Why is it okay to ignore one half of the verse, but not the other?
Also, why are you pretending like your organisation baptises in the name of Jesus like in Acts? Are we going to pretend like we don't know what your baptismal questions are actually like?
Here are the questions asked of JW's right before being dunked:
(1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?”
(2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
Yikes.
@@Hez0 : Baptisms are for the purpose of making DISCIPLES for Jesus (John 13:35) and also Witnesses for God (Isaiah 43:10).
Using the Father, son and holy spirit formula to prove some trinity fails because NO ONE was ever baptized using such a formula. Read the book of Acts.
When one is unable to show where any Father, son and holy spirit baptismal formula was used, then why use it?
Obviously, Jesus never meant that God was some 3 in 1 personality.
Was Jesus baptized using some 3 in 1 formula?
Acts 8:36 Now as they were going along the road, they came to a body of water, and the eunuch said: “Look! Here is water; what prevents me from getting baptized?” 37 -- 38 With that he commanded the chariot to halt, and both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.
Nitpicking is not the way to go if TRUTH matters. It is a way of avoiding the TRUTH.
Stay with what the Bible DOES TEACH.
I was a JW for, like, ages, and I used to think that Jesus just destroyed unrepentant sinners, but thanks to people like Jeff I have found the real Jesus and I now know that he subjects unrepentant sinners to excruciating torture for ever and ever! AWESOME!
Obviously a fake comment from someone who has no clue as to who JWs are.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
and you think GOD is a torturer, blasphemer!
"Actually to us there is One God *the* Father...."1Corinthians 8: 6. Paul's words eliminates any other persons from being the wholeone...namely God.
The Father is the one, whom Jesus Christ identified as being the one, whom the true worshippers would be worshipping, during his conversation with the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well. ( Matthew 4: 23, 24 )
Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” ( John 4: 23, 24 )
Jesus didn't say that she should worship him, or direct her attention to 325AD when the trinity would be formulated.
@@tongakhan230 can you prove 1914 in your Bible? Who is Charles Taze Russell? Is that your leader?
John 6:57
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
Happy to hear from you jeff. That's a good counter for them and more informative for the faith we stand.. Do you have church in Utah State..?
Isn't this a case of a Jew praising the Pharisees for claiming that Jesus was not the Messiah.
Martin Luther makes a pertinent observation in the sixteenth chapter of his Commentary on St. John “We are obliged to yield many things to the papists [Catholics]-that they possess the Word of God which we received from them, otherwise we should have known nothing at all about it.”
Hi Jeff, love your channel.
Please do one on the false teaching of Universalism aka Martin Zender, Rodney Beaulieu etc who have CZcams channels.
Their teachings are so convincing, and will snare baby believers and those seeking truth !
Thanks.
Awesome content. I would love to see this kind of video on Eastern Orthodoxy and how to response. Here in Romania, people are blind with religious and traditions. The Orthodox church put the traditions on the same level as the biblie. They need the Gospel.
They have the Bible but need the Gospel?
Tradition and The Bible are not mutually exclusive ~
You aren’t absent of tradition…Your tradition is new..sola scripture is a fairly new tradition but the way you mean it is even newer than the person that coined that term ..Look how Lutherans worship they maintained many catholic traditions..
@@cindiloowhoo1166 yep. They believe faith plus works 🟰 salvation. Tradition 🟰 bible. You need saints baptism saint Mary etc
against@@kianis1206 i know you aren't absent of tradition, but when a tradition is against the bible, eg prayin to the saint, get it out
The question is whom did Jesus believe he was.
He clearly stated that he was God's son (John 10:36). SENT by God to carry out God's Will and not his own (John 4:34).
Whom did the Apostles believe Jesus to be?
(Matthew 16:16) Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Paul who was chosen by Jesus clearly stated that from all the sons of God (the Angels), Jesus was chosen and anointed for holy service (Hebrews 1:9).
JWs teach the above.
Do I have an option to believe all above or someone claiming to know different?
Amazing scripture in Hebrews. Loved that!
Yes! It clearly showed that Jesus was chosen from among the Angels.
'To WHICH of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5,13.
@@tongakhan230 I'm sorry, but the answer to that rhetorical question given by Paul is "none"; for we see in Heb 2:5 that no angel is inheriting the world, and yet Christ will.
@@Hez0 : Was Paul comparing 'God' to his angels? Surely not!
(Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, ANOINTED YOU with the oil of exultation MORE THAN YOUR COMPANIONS.”
Jesus was chosen from among the ANGELS and ANOINTED BY GOD.
Never heard of God choosing HIMSELF from among fellow Gods and anointing HIMSELF. That would be nonsensical.
@@tongakhan230 _"That is why God, YOUR GOD, ANOINTED YOU with the oil of exultation MORE THAN YOUR COMPANIONS.”_
That's the Father talking to the Son. See verse 8, the previous verse, where Paul says of the Father: *"But unto the Son he saith...".*
1 Cor 2:14 - The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
@@Hez0 : Jesus has a God. God having a God will be the adage 'too many cooks....;
(Isaiah 43:10) “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I AM THE SAME ONE. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.
Jesus was formed into God by the RCC. Compare Acts 20:30.
That won't change TRUTH.
When the terms Father and Son were used, people knew what these meant.
The illogical making of a Son into his own Father came up with the apostasy.
Great Vid Pastor Jeff.
Perhaps consider including the discussion of the Exodus as well. Chap 23 starting in verse 20. Joshua, in his first experience with God as the leader of the Hebrews out in the wilderness ...
God tells Joshua "I will send an Angel to go before you in battle ... obey Him or he will not forgive your transgression ..." also ... 'My name is upon Him."
Who can forgive sin, but God? This is God The Son ... Jesus pre-incarnate.
thanks so much for ministry and sharing it here on the CZcams.
Al
God gave Jesus that authority to forgive.
Ac. 5:31 - God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Jo. 5:22 - For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,
@@StretchMn correct.
I’m underscoring Jesus’ physical interaction with us before He was born into this world.
And only God can forgive sin. So Jesus IS God.
@@shaark92 No. Jesus is God's son.
And God gave Jesus that authority.
@@StretchMn ok
Proverbs 8: 22-31
ADONAI made me as the beginning of his way, the first of his ancient works. 23 I was appointed before the world, before the start, before the earth's beginnings.
When I was brought forth, there were no ocean depths, no springs brimming with water. 25 I was brought forth before the hills, before the mountains had settled in place 26 he had not yet made the earth, the fields,
or even the earth's first grains of dust.
When he established the heavens, I was there.
When he drew the horizon's circle on the deep 28 when he set the skies above in place,
when the fountains of the deep poured forth,
when he prescribed boundaries for the sea, so that its water would not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth, 30 I was with him as someone he could trust.
For me, every day was pure delight, as I played in his presence all the time, 31 playing everywhere on his earth, and delighting to be with humankind.
COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE
An English Version by David H. Stern
Thanks for adding the whole citation.
Now read it and tell me who is doing the creating-wisdom or God?
*HE* had not yet made the earth (who is the "he"?)
When *HE* established the heavens, I was there (who is the "he"?)
When *HE* drew the horizon's circle on the deep (who is the "he"?)
When *HE* set the skies above in place (who is the "he"?)
When *HE* prescribed boundaries for the sea, so that its water would not transgress *HIS* command (who is the "he/his"?)
Who is doing the creating?
John 7:28
Then as he was teaching in the temple, Jesus called out: You know me and you know where I am from. And I have not come of my own initiative, but the one who sent me is real, and you do not know him.
2 Peter 3:16
Speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Why are you deflecting and not answering my question?
No deflection, I don’t respect you
Proverbs 15:7
The lips of the wise spread knowledge, But not so the heart of the stupid one.
I do have trouble with this. Thanks to Calvin, I’m chosen, don’t need to have trouble.
How does anyone choose to be a chosen one? Isn't that a contradiction in meaning?
@@tongakhan230 Joseph's brothers chose to sell him into slavery; and yet it was God that ultimately chose that to occur. See Genesis 50:20, "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good".
We make a distinction between God's decretive will and man's will.
A great response to the false claims of the Jehovah's Witnesses
Very interesting they use the BCE and CE in this official Watchtower video, which pagans use to try to get our demarcation of time away from honoring King Jesus.
Does one know why B.C.E and C.E. are used. It is used all over now.
It means BEFORE COMMON ERA.
Jesus was born in 3 B.C. making the old acronyms meaningless.
It seems clear to me the cherry picking it very much apparent in The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Very clear from their propaganda material. It's encouraging to hear so many coming out of this cult and into true faith and relationship with the true Jesus. King and God over all.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Whether a verse is cherry or mango picked, it still should harmonise with the other scriptures.
Unless, one is trying to point out inconsistencies in the Bible.
Isaiah 9:3
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
Jesus is God. Jesus is King❤
Give your lighting guy a raise!!!! The light guy got you looking 10 years younger
I was so confused when they came. Thank you so much for explaining things in the way you do.I see they get people who don’t understand there Bible all the way.they are really nice people but the devil is a wolf in sheep clothing…❤❤❤
Why do you say that?
@@StretchMn1914 still waitingggg
@@ZM30-lm3wjFor?
@@StretchMn 1975?
As morbidly fascinating as it is: I'll never understand the psychology with respect to toxic coupling between pathological gullibility and persuasive personalities (e.g., the coupling between pre-mormons and Joseph Smith)...
We can know by their fruit. That's the standard.
It sounded like I was listening to B roll for a cooking video lol. Great content, but the background music is distracting for me.
Good work, Pastor Jeff. Thank you. The JWs have changed "worship" to "do obeisance" when applied to Christ. However, in my 1961 copy of the NWT, it says "worship". Also, in Heb 1:8 NWT, it reads "God is your throne forever.." A really awkward (and wrong) translation. Up until sometime in the 1950's, they encouraged their followers to "
worship Jehovah and Christ."
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
your teachings come from one source. if you went to school , wrote a paper and gave only one source for your info the professor would hand the paper back as incomplete.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 can you prove 1914 in the Bible? Who is Charles Taze Russell is he your leader. Oh wait, the governing body is your leader I forgot they tell you what to do. Isn’t it sinning if you go against information outside your religion? They always say any information outside the religion is from Satan.
Pastor Jeff G. looks like he drives his lifted F150, carries a Block, and isn't afraid to yell out "Murika!"
Jeff , I'm interested to know your personal opinion on what their role is ?
Myself I believe they will play a big role down the road , when they see christ and what happens , I believe they will see their transgressions and bring many to christ .
They are zealous people .
I love them .
Please respond , I'm 42 years old and left the jws at 16 with zero possessions and family support, thankfully my best friend at school was a Christian and his father had a massive impact on me becoming a Christian, at 20 and God working in my life blessed me with meeting a beautiful woman who just happened to be an ex jw , we have been married for 21 years, I feel as tho God put her in my life as we understand each other and what we have both been through.
With all that said we both still have many rank and file jws in our family that don't really associate with us but we care for them deeply.
Cheers mate , love the work .
My struggle with the JWs is their total commitment to their domination. They must understand the fact the Christ has his followers in many churches. This is the Church of God.
John 7:28
Then as he was teaching in the temple, Jesus called out, You know me and you know where I am from. And I have not come of my own initiative, but the One who sent me is real, and you do not know him.
Thanks for sharing! Pray for Randy, a JW elder I've met with a couple times. We're currently discussing in what sense Christ is creator and whether he was created.
Well, Jesus is called God's son.
God is called his Father.
In fact, Jesus is called God's only-begotten son.
Begotten means produced, created, or sired.
Only because Jesus was the only thing/person God created.
All else was created through Jesus.
In the OT it is very clear that Yahweh creates everything, by himself, without any help.
“Who *alone stretches out the heavens,* And tramples down the waves of the sea” (Job 9:8 LSB).
“Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, ‘I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, *Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone”* (Is. 44:24 LSB).
“Thus says Yahweh, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker…. It is I who made the earth and created man upon it. *I stretched out the heavens with My hands”* (Is. 45:11-12 LSB).
JW's will claim that Jehovah is the source behind creation, but the OT doesn't speak about Jehovah being the source but the one actively doing the creating.
As Richard Bauckham points out, “In creation, God acted alone, 'I ... alone stretched out the heavens [and] ... by myself spread out the earth' (Isa. 44:24). As the only Eternal One (another frequent and related characterization of God in the Second Temple period), God alone brought all other beings into existence. God had no helper, assistant or servant to assist or to implement his work of creation. God alone created, and no one else had any part in this activity.”[1]
When Jehovah says, “I stretched out the heavens by myself,” he is not claiming to be the source but the one doing the action as Isa 45:12 makes explicit: “I stretched out the heavens with My hands.”
If someone said, “I built a house,” you could interpret that as them claiming to be the one who commissioned an agent (a contractor/builder) to build them a house (ie. they are the source). But if a person says, “I built a house with my own hands,” then they are claiming to have physically used the hammer to build the house.
Jehovah claims to be the one who actually created all things with his own hands. When we come to the NT, we hear the Father speaking to the Son in Hebrews 1:10 saying, “You, Jehovah, laid the foundations of the earth, and *the heavens are the works of your hands.”* Jesus is the one who did the actual creating, therefore Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh.
Furthermore, Jesus didn't just create everything, he created everything for himself (Col 1:16). Jesus isn't a creation, he's the creator.
JW's will point to the same verses to claim Jesus is a creation:
1. Prov 8 - Which is personified wisdom, not Jesus. Look at vv. 26-29 and ask yourself, who is doing the creating-wisdom or God? Is wisdom creating or is wisdom watching God create?
2. Col 1:16 - πρωτοτοκος 'firstborn' is not being used chronologically in this verse, as JW's claim, but positionally (cf. Psalm 89 where David is called "firstborn").
3. Rev 3:14 - JW's point to this verse to say that Jesus is the beginning, ie., the first created of God's creation. JW's are the only ones who think this is what John is saying. Christians look at the context of the passage. Some think "beginning" carries the sense of originator, the one who began creation by creating everything (cf. NET), others think αρχη should actually be translated "ruler" (cf. NIV) since he is sitting on a throne and is ruling in the context (vv. 14-21).
4. John 3:16 - "only-begotten" doesn't mean Jesus is created, it means that he is the unique Son of God, who is Son by nature, not creation. Go read Gen 1 and ask yourself who created Adam. He is called "son of God" because he was created by God. Angels are called "sons of God" (cf. Job) because they were created by God. Jesus is the μονογενης 'only-begotten/unique' Son because he is the only one who shares the nature of the Father.
I suggest reading "Putting Jesus in his Place."
[1] Richard Bauckham, Jesus and the God of Israel : God Crucified and Other Studies on the New Testament’s Christology of Divine Identity (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2009), ePub, God crucified.
Was God "alone" when everything was created?
At Ge. 1:26 God says "Let US make man in OUR image..."
Who was talking to?
Jesus. And John confirms this at Jo. 1:1,2 where he says Jesus was WITH God in the beginning.
So there's two individuals.
Job 38:7 says the angels shouted and applauded during the creation process.
But all power comes from Jehovah God alone.
Jesus even told us at Mt. 28:18 that all power was given to him.
And Paul tells us at 1 Co. 8:7 that all things come FROM God and THROUGH Jesus.
Jer. 10:12 elaborates on this - He is the Maker of the earth by his power, The One who established the productive land by his wisdom And who stretched out the heavens by his understanding.
Jehovah created by using his son, (also called God's servant), Jesus to create.
Yes Mark, God was alone before creation. Angles witnessed part of creation and rejoiced, but they weren't there for all of the creation-unless you're going to claim that angels are eternal.
In Gen 1:26 we have a conversation within the Godhead, "let us make man." Who created man? God did (Gen 1:27; 5:1; Isa 45:11-12). Did he have any help? Not according to Isa 44:24 and 45:12. Adam is called "son of God" (Luke 3:38) because he was created by God. Who did the actual creating? The Son.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons, yet they are subsistences of the one God.
The Son is the agent of the Father, the hands on creator. Jehovah's stretched out the heavens with his own hands. Did the Father stretch out the heavens? No. Heb 1:10 says it was the Son. That means he is Jehovah.
I've been over this many times with you.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth God was alone but had a conversation with others???
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You're god is schizophrenic?
Love it. If the title was different I would send it to my JW friend. 😂
True! Christian pastor is similar to saying Muslim pope.
@@tongakhan230 proof of 1914 in your Bible
JW people proof of 1914 in your Bibles? Is Charles Taze Russell y’all’s leader??