What If Fives EXPOSED Order 66 To The Jedi Council?
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- What If Fives EXPOSED Order 66 To The Jedi Council?
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What if the jedi were actually intelligent enough to realize that finding a convenient clone army just when they need one isn't a coincidence.
And then decide NOT to bring them into the Republic ?
The issue is that the Republic literally had no standing military at the time. It was debated heavily in the senate for decades as small conflicts arose in the galaxy.
And with the separatists already having a prepared droid army, The republic would stand no chance while they spent months conscripting and training soldiers.
Not to mention the war vehicles and funding needed to even support such an army.
The Jedi and the Republic literally had 0 choice.
@Abygoneage A "What if?" where the Republic realized it's probably not wise to allow Corps to build up large martial forces while the Republic has nothing, and so decide to build up their own drone forces just in case.
@@Kingneo0053 and do what? be a dictatorship that tells Companies, Corporations and Neutral worlds what to do?
The very reason the war happened in the first place was because the Republic was over taxing the outer rim to support the use of para militaries to fight off pirates.
The corporations had no choice but to make their own armies for self defense since the Republic refused to remove the "Ruusan Reformation act" which prohibits any organized military to be formed.
All of this stems from the Sith secrectly causing discourse throughout the galaxy, Encouraging insurgents to fight the establishment and causing chaos, corruption, confusion, and complacency in the Senate.
Another reason along those lines would be a morel reluctance to use slave clones since they are Jedi so Yoda refuses to go to Kamino.
LOL……Just when they need it….is literally about two days before the outbreak of the war.
The Republik didn’t have an army and they needed an army because the separatist had an army, the only way this works is if The Jedi have the common sense to maintain the Highground at Geonosis and Prevent the separatist leaders from leaving the planet instead of engaging in a ground battle… otherwise they are forced into having to keep using the clones out of necessity
Hello there
Dave Filoni created this arc just to cause pain in our hearts. To know how close Fives was to uncover the plot, but knowing full well how bad it would end.
Good what if.
Thanks mate good to see you again. Filoni definitely toying with our feelings.
this should be the main plot! espeacilly for me, who watched the movies from 1 to 6 and then the clone wars.
What is most tragic about this arc is that it effectively shows that the Clones had no choice. Just the phrase "Execute Order 66" and their free will was gone.
This is probably the happiest ending of the Clone Wars I've ever wanted😊
❤️
I see what you mean, friend.
What if the jedi grew suspicious of Obi-Wan because he " discovered " both the clone army AND the Geonosian Droid army ?
After all , Obi-Wan was Qui-Gon's apprentice and Qui-Gon was the apprentice of the leader of the confederacy .
Interesting, I don’t think their investigation would amount to much tho…
@FantasyFolklore Let's be perfectly honest , the council weren't that intelligent.
Look at what they did to Ahsoka.
Interesting idea
@@lordofpain3476 Yeah, that's a good point, the Jedi High Council collectively were rather stupid, to say nothing of full of themselves.
Although that all said, I do have to disagree on the Ahsoka thing due to one small detail. As stupid as they were, I think the Council KNEW fully well that Ahsoka Tano was innocent...they just DIDN'T CARE whether she was innocent or guilty. I think the Jedi High Council also knew fully well-or at least had plenty of reason to believe-that Ahsoka would not receive a fair trial and she would be executed on circumstantial, even outright phony "evidence" for reasons of petty, stupid politics. I think the Jedi Council recognized that Ahsoka would be wrongly executed...but they made that decision anyways because at the end of the day they didn't care about Ahsoka Tano and her well-being. On that note, I would argue that at the end of the day, when the chips were down, the Jedi High Council didn't care about ANY of their subordinate Jedi, not just Ahsoka.
Yeah the council would not be able to put 2 and 2 together. Anything that required critical thinking wasn't really their cup of tea.
Anakin was kind and was loyal to the clones throughout the entire clone wars, he even stood by them when he killed the Jedi in the temple. I can absolutely see this happening and him protecting fives and listening to him. Anakin fought side by side with the 501s on countless missions and knew fives and would want to get the bottom of it
Who then killed any Clones who found out the truth of him being Anakin (while in the suit) and his care for his troops drastically went downhill. Keep in mind the 501st did the majority of the work, Anakin (dubbed Vader) didn't go rushing in like he did during TCW battles...
@@Kamikazi91127 I think you missed the entire point of someone falling to the dark side. Anakin died, he was killed by Darth vader. Darth vader literally says this himself many times
Only thing I can say is that I don't know if Anakin would choose Fives over Palpatine. Palpatine was a friend and mentor to Anakin at this point which is why Anakin got heated when Fives implied that the Palpatine was responsible for it and the fact Anakin sounded angry that Fives tried killing Palpatine
@@mouse3872 he would at least listen and trust him
Before the inhibitor chip reasoning, you could say he was the proto-Daenerys Targaryen or Grey Worm, commanding his Star Wars equivalent of the Unsullied. Except he wasn’t ever a king or emperor, rather, a former slave leading a band of loyal, disciplined, professional, slave soldiers.
Two minor thoughts. Fives was injected with a neuro toxin that made him act iraddictally so it would’ve passed by the time he talked to the council. And if Fives was sound of mind he may have been able to work something out with Anakin to save himself from Palpatine. I could see them dressing up a dead clone and giving him to Palpatine saying he didn’t survive without his chip
Also there was the part when destroying the main ship of the separatist fleet shut down all the droids. After that happened on Naboo, all of the droids could operate with out the capital ship.
Not likely to succeed as Fives had unique features that other Clones didn't have, simply trying to masquerade a fallen Clone wouldn't have worked. Keep in mind Palpatine's plan was designed when his master was still alive. Now did it run into unseen circumstances (Anakin for instance) yes, but it still played out to the letter (give or take)
A sound of mind fives is truly intimidating
It always bugged me fives never said they drugged him. Or that neither skywalker or rex really took fives serious. Even in season 11 where rex says find 5's the info is so watered down.
It always bugged me fives never said they drugged him. Or that neither skywalker or rex really took fives serious. Even in season 11 where rex says find 5's the info is so watered down.
What if Commander Fox helped Fives fake his death?
That would be sick
@@FantasyFolklore what if Thanos invaded the star wars galaxy
@@youssefmesrati340hilarious
@@youssefmesrati340the infinity stones only work in their original universe
@@tntgolem1623 who cares they can still work they never said they only work in the mcu
I would love for Disney to make a What-If based on this. Would 100% be sick
Lol never happening. 😂 thanks to KK and her pathetic agenda
It would be sick, but Disney would ruin as they do with every Star Wars thing they make
@@ISOLOJAY I dunno, the Marvel What If series is one of the only good Marvel things they make anymore. It could be really good
@@ISOLOJAYI feel like Disney wouldn’t touch the what if series , I think it’d be good like tales of the Jedi
They are. It was just annocues and the same peope doing the marvel one are doing it. So disneys finally lsienting
The members of the 501st really were some of the most independent clones out there. You have to take into consideration that Fives and the other members of Domino squad were regular clones - no Null ARCs, Commanders or something else - Regs. To achieve such independence is very remarkable when you're geneticly engineered to be loyal above all
Do you think Dooku knew about Order 66? He never really seemed to resent the Jedi enough to stage a genocide against them, but seemed more unhappy with the corruption within the Republic, which is why he was willing to lead the Separatists in a bid for independence. I feel like Palpatine never would have told him about Order 66.
i don't think he knew about it either to be honest.
Wow, I never thought of that. Then again, he was perfectly willing to orchestrate and then watch the Jedi get slaughtered in the Geonosian Arena.
@@curriphacreator That was just a few (what he felt sacrifices) Jedi to the cause of the Separatists, not a wholesale slaughter of thousands which is an entirely different scale.
@@Slayer398 sorry, but it says that where? All I've seen and read testifies that Dooku is as crafty and bloodthirsty as the worst Sith out there. He never hesitates to kill or otherwise get rid of anyone in his way. And in the canon Revenge of the Sith novel by Matthew Stover, Dooku plans on obliterating the entire Jedi Order to create an Empire led by him and Sidious. Besides, how many massacres did he commit during the Clone Wars? Dooku was done with the Republic and the Jedi. He was a full-on Sith, with all the evil that comes with the Dark Side.
@@curriphacreator Nope, that's been declared non-canon and legends material.
What if Obi Wan didn't follow Jango Fett, but instead decided that if the clones were ordered by the jedi, he had a duty of care to them.
That would have Been very sad for me and my brothers
What if the Kaminoains betrayed Sideous and stayed loyal to the Jedi?
Interesting…
How interesting
Not meaning to rain on your idea, but there needs to be reason for that beyond "because", then it becomes interesting and we can speculate because the Kaminoans weren't "loyal", so much as they had common interests with the Jedi.
The kaminoans were businesspeople they wouldn’t unless they got a benefit from it
The Jedi knew the Clones were child soldiers, ergo they would've had to then arrest the Kaminoans on principle and as long as they were prostrating themselves trying to find the Sith Lords under their nose, they didn't have to have THAT conversation. It's the true ideological fallacy behind this that Sidious utilized to hollow-out the Jedi Order's capacity for decision making from the top down, done while they were at their most confused.
What if Count Dooku actually went back to the light side? If you remember in episode 2, Count Dooku talks about how Qui Gon always spoke highly of Obi Wan and how he could use Qui Gon’s help “right now” showing how he feels regret taking the path he took, only for Obi Wan to shut him down with “Qui Gon would never join you.” What if Obi Wan actually listened to him and tried to help him?
That battle would be HUGE. Whole CIS fleet vs whole Republic fleet fighting over one planet. Thousands of destroyers, cruisers and battleships in a single finale battle
Palps had a direct intercom at hand which he would have activated preemptively, only reason he waited in canon was to get Anakin.
What if Commander Thorn survived and joined Rex's clone rebellion?
Nice one
No that was not who he was you fans only saw him die honorably you did not see him kill hundreds of protesters just by hitting them with his gun
@@COMMANDER_FOXI mean if anyone would know it would be you as you served as his captain before his death then you were appointed commander of the Courscant Guard
@@COMMANDER_FOXalso it was nice serving by your side Commander
@@COMMANDER_FOXsorry I got my facts wrong, you were the main commander the whole time, thorn was a commander under your command. I apologize, Fox
What if Ahsoka figured out order 66 and told anakin
Ooooo interesting
Thanks 😊
Sounds like a fun story. Hope it's turned into a video one day.
You can’t possibly tell me that as soon as you watched this ark you didn’t have that slither of hope…
Legit why I made this video haha
That moment when you realise that they could have just stunned fives instead of killing him 😂😮🤦♂️🤦♂️
No no I killed him becuase I wanted to and if he missed me he could have hit kevin Kevin he was my favorite trooper and all the coruscant guards
@@COMMANDER_FOX kevin is goat
@@UltraPancake-qe6vh he is
@@UltraPancake-qe6vh he is better than me
@@COMMANDER_FOXKevin?
What if a chancellor, Palpatine was assassinated by the separatist during attack of the clones?
This would be cool, I think I might integrate this into a different idea
Oops… 😬😂👍
Cool
What If Shaak Ti left the Order with Ahsoka
What If Ahsoka and Barriss left the Order and joined Ventress
What If Bastila Shan trained Anakin SkyWalker
What If Satele Shan trained Luke SkyWalker
Oh, I like that 2nd one.
Actually, what is Anikan trained Barriss Offee would be a good addition (instead of Ahsoka)
Could form their own little band
These are great story idea's. I hope they get made into video's one day. Also you could add in "What if" Ashoka was trained as a Nightsister?
That would make fives as the living protagonist. He wouldn’t just save his brothers, but also the Jedi members.
You know what’s interesting? Those shock troopers were still there when palpatine confirms that he is involved for the plot against the Jedi, and they acted like they didn’t hear it, I know they are loyal to palpatine but I think when hearing this it would be enough to do something
But thats the thing why nobody would belief him. Even of it was logical you would question why the other clones didn't hear anything, making everybody belief he just hallucinated
What if Anakin lost to Obi Wan on mustafar and lost his limbs.
What if Palpatine won the clone wars.
What if Yoda exiled himself to dagobah after Revenge of the Sith?
What if LUke and Leía were separated at birth.
Cmon man I’ve been asking for these since 2005
You had me in the first half icl
More like What if Anikan lost to Obi-Wan on Mustafar, limbs lost but not burned by the lava
13:00 by that time the droids wouldn't need a control ship to operate.
Well they would still panic without orders considering their commanders are dead
What a great story....well done!
For how upsetting yet necessary it was to see Fives get sidelined like that when he was SO close to unravelling this age old plot, this what-if does it justice enough to heal my heart a little. God I love the Clone Wars, hasn’t changed since I was a kid watching it.
Good work
why would Dooku still be on Palpy's side. He played Double Agent. He switched sides to find the Sith's plans. He told Obi about the plot and that Palpy was a sith.
A lot of this was fairly plausible and I liked it. Nicely done video.
Day 9 of my list.
What if; Anakin never gave into his feelings for Padme, Aayla Secura was the chosen one and became Darth Talon, Shme Skywalker was adopted by the Tusken Raiders, Boba Fett saved his Tusken family, Count Dooku was a regular count for the CIS, Jabba the Hutt supported the Jedi at the Start of the Clone Wars, and finally, what if Sabine and Ezra fell in love?
videos like these make me wish there was a what if series for star wars with the clone wars style animation, really loved the deep dive dude!
Day 30: What if General Grievous was secretly a Republic spy?
36 more days my friend. The video is coming
@@FantasyFolklore And I will be there to watch it
What if Kit fisto, Obi-wan, Anakin, Windu, And Ashoka went to arrest palpating before order 66
"What if" The Jedi discovered that the Sith Temple under their own on Coruscant was corrupting them?
If hevy didn’t die he probably would have taken fives character arc
What if windu survived the fall and forgave and understood anakin and why he did it, then goes on to redeem Vader and lead him back to the light and try to make things right between them
Hmm I think if Windu survived he wouldn’t follow this course of action, but it’s interesting to think
This would be very interesting. But Mace Windu wasn't normally the forgiving type.
@@brokenbridge6316should have become darth vindos
I miss 5s so much. Out of all the stories his was the saddest of the clone wars. He was so close and then just gone. Super sad.
Great video! I would like to see what if Jango Fett killed Mace Windu in AOTC
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed. Definitely need to do some Jango Fett videos soon
And then enters Maul, Venturess, Savage, and Talon The new sith and throws the rule of 2 away for a stronger order at least thats what they think
Wow, ill have to say this is a very well thought out and put together video. Very interesting to be sure. Even though this would erase Lukes entire arch and the OT, id be down with watching a "What if" offically put together anamated or filmed version, even though thats basically what we just got. Good job, truly. Only someone that really loves Star Wars could have put this much attention to detail together. Thank you.😊
True, I would love it if there was a Star Wars What If series.
Ehhhh idk, I have a couple of notes:
1: I’m certain palpatine might’ve activated order 66 early since it is scorched earth and not wait for the senators and Jedi to arrive.
2: Palpatine would’ve most likely gone underground maybe taking Dooku but sacrificing Grevious and the droid army to help him escape. No way would he decide to fight at the front lines unless he was confident he’d win.
4: I really doubt the Jedi would trust the senate, viewing how much control Palpatine had by that point, they most certainly would see it as a rabbit hole and they wouldn’t know who to trust.
5: Palpatine in the prequels is always written to be 5 steps ahead, call it bullshit, call it plot armor, but palpatine losing all his plot contrivance in a series of brain farts doesn’t seem in character. Had that happened and had palpatine needed to accelerate his time tables, he certainly would do so upon realizing Order 66 was compromised. Imagine the chaos alone activating order 66 as the separatists invade, imagine the chaos as the very army protecting the republic turns on the Jedi and the senate that sided with said Jedi, the droid army descending below to further stretch the Jedi thin as they attack the surface. Surely the Jedi couldn’t survive those odds and perhaps the galaxy would become a worse place as the galactic republic is sacked, the Jedi are eradicated and scattered failing to save coruscant, the senate and the people massacred, and palpatine forced to become a warlord over ash and brimstone as the remaining separatists are placed under his thumb of rule while the galaxy falls into chaos.
So, in theory this is nice, and I usually really like happy endings, but I would like to point out that the Jedi Order in its entirety was slowly drifting towards the dark side without realizing it during the republic era. I say this primarily due to their rejection of attachments, not only because it denies the concept of love, which is the most important aspect of the light, but also because of their reason for rejecting attachments, that being fear. I think if they had been given an abundance of time without being destroyed, the Jedi would have turned to the dark side in their own unique way, not becoming Sith, at least not by name, but I think their need to intertwine themselves with politics would gradually draw them into wanting more power "for the sake of peace."
Ultimately the perceived need for power would drive them towards the dark side, and the fear which they were unwittingly allowing to control the order's policies regarding attachment, and the apathy that would develop towards others as a result of not allowing attachments would ultimately lead to the Jedi Order becoming just as bad if not worse than the empire. A new order of force users would have to develop in opposition to it, and it would have a far more difficult task fighting an order that controlled a unified republic with a clone army than the rebel alliance had fighting the empire. The turn would be gradual, but there would be a turning point when the Jedi would decide that it would be to dangerous for force sensitive children to be left to develop on their own, and either take them from their parents regardless of consent, or kill them if they were deemed too old and by extension, too dangerous to train.
Granted, I think a new order would eventually form, something closer to what the Jedi were originally supposed to be, and light would eventually triumph over darkness, but the Jedi from the age of the galactic civil war were on the road to ruin with or without Sith interference.
I mean, the Jedi Council didn't even believe one of the most respected and honorable Jedi to ever live, Qui-Gon, when he said he ran into a Sith Lord. What chance did Fives have to convince them of anything?
one flaw i noticed, by the end of the clone wars all of the separatist battle droids were individually controlled. it was only in the beginning of the war that if a separatists control ship was destroyed all the droids would shutdown. since they changed it, when the control ship is destroyed it wouldn't affect the droids on the ground, meaning the battle would continue. possibly a better outcome would have been to use some sort of EMP to shutdown the droid army. although many other civilian and republic droids would be shut down too, they could be reset so that they return to working order.
That was one of the best What If videos i have ever seen
The Grievous, Dooku, and Sidious trio all at once has got to be a scene
What if Ahsoka got the powers of the daughter
Good idea!
Now here's something that's super interesting. Imagine if the senators had to scramble to tell the clones to execute Order 65, but Palpatine managed to tell some of the clones to execute Order 66 before Order 65 could be issued. This would cause absolute pandemonium, splitting the clone army in half, or whatever fraction the senators managed to get to versus the ones Palpatine managed to get to. On top of the Separatist conflict you'd have a whole bunch of renegade Order 66 clones, forcing the Order 65 clones to make tough choices. The Order 66 clones would kill many of the Jedi, but not all of them. The Jedi would fight back. In fact, this would rapidly escalate into the Second Clone Wars.
In addition, imagine if Anakin just maims Palpatine's hands, and the CLONES execute Palpatine. That would be pretty poetic in my opinion but maybe not as good.
Dude this was great. Imagine if Disney was willing to do a what if show for the clone wars. This would be one episode I would kill to see.
What if general grievous and his 2 Magna guards helped count Dooku fight Anakin and obi wan on the invisible hand.
Inhibitor chips is such a cheap move, man xD
There’s got to be a long sreres of WHAT IF’s we would love love that
Very great story! I’d love a sequel to this where you go over the one lingering thread, Maul.
Coruscant has a planetary shield that prevents enemy ingress from orbit, and the droids was made self-propelled (as in not requiring a specialized control station or ship to function) after the events in Episode I, lastly, "parts of the planet was destroyed" except the city-planet is hundreds of kilometers tall (counted from original surface to tip of the tallest buildings, as Coruscant has multiple sections beneath the "surface" including an entire city-structure beneath), so, destroying a part of even "just" a section of the surface would likely not be even plausible if as much as an entire super-stardestroyer crashed down on top.
this is exactly why we need a what if for star wars. imagine a battle of corusant that would go crazy
They offered the one thing we couldn't refuse, *money*
I'm so sad this isn't what happened :( I would've cried for the happy ending. The Jedi Council made it known to viewers that they were on the slow side and chose to be blind. Also you do a amazing job at telling a story.
This is very well done. Part of me wishes this was canon
What if the Red Astromech didn’t have a bad motivator?
Please make What if Padme Amidala was a Sith Lord? Part 4
Tbh, I think that story is kinda finished. I don’t see myself adding to it any time soon. I am uploading the combination of the 3 parts soon - and I’ve redone parts 1 and 2 with better images and audio quality.
That's probably not going to happen. Sorry, friend.
This was better than the movies what the hell!! Loved it ❤
Dang I should have not shot him😅😅
I didnt think the newer models of droids needed a command center, but were instead independent thinkers?
What if Captain Rex raised Leia and Luke
3:40 force mind-probing only hurts if the "victim" is uncooperative, but if the individual is compliant and willing to let others peer in, it's harmless
12:53 It was revealed in the Clone Wars TV Series that some time after The Phantom Menace, the droids were programmed to be independent but loyal soldiers, no longer relying on functionality from the lucrehulks control centers
This is the greatest What if that no one in Disney and Marvel could've ever thought of. Masterful plot here.
Omg this here. I would pay serious money to watch a rework of that trilogy along these lines. Lovely. 👌👏👏
Should've seen this sooner. It actually makes me quite sad knowing how easily the tides could have shifted.
What if Darth Plagueis was a Jedi or palpatine fell in love with Padme when she was pregnant 😂
What if Leia was the chosen one
What if Dumbledore was a Jedi
what if Darth Revan trained Luke Skywalker
What if Luke contacts all Jedi high council members force ghosts for training and confront Vader and palpatine
What if Luke time travels back to the time of order 66 at Jedi Temple attack
😮😮 Great story it was well done my friend.
They need to make a Star Wars "What if" with these storylines
If only this happened
Ikr…
"Dookus old age catches up with him" 😢
Ironic how Dooku's old age getting the best of him results in his death by YODA
Man I really miss the original story. No secret cop out chip, no hidden order, no conspiracy. Just soldiers following orders.
Fives almost accomplished this 😭
This is what we needed all along
We need a what if series!!!!
Droids didn’t rely on control ships after the Battle of Naboo.
What if the Clone Wars reached earth during WW2?
That was awesome!!
Great video. Although highly doubt Sideous would risk it all on a bum rush lol
Brilliant absolutely brilliant mate
Can you please do What If Anakin Skywalker was King of Naboo and Padme Amidala was a slave on Tatooine aka The Chosen One
What if Anakin Skywalker drank from the mystical Well of Urd giving his arm as a sacrifice
Could you do a part 2 of this? Considering that maul would probably be still out there and wanting revenge
Very interesting stuff!
It always bugged me fives never said they drugged him. Or that neither skywalker or rex really took fives serious. Even in season 11 where rex says find 5's the info is so watered down.
What if Tup's inhibitor chip never malfunctioned?
I think this would have an effect on Ashoka during order 66, Rex would never tell her to look for Fives and thus, never remove his inhibitor chip
@@FantasyFolkloreoh yeah Rex would have killed ahsoka tano.
This would actually not happen beacause the later versions of the driod army did not nead a comand ship to function this was only in the begining
Beautiful alternative timeline story ! I’m sure one day a fan made will be created maybe if alternatives stories in the Star Wars universe
I hope so too!
What if Bounty Hunter Durge had the Chosen One Midichlorian count?
Bro imagine an entire clone army thousands of them like hundreds of thousands of them being led by one man Rex himself, what a giga chad.
bro i could brush past the fact one of the pictures show a clone was shooting his blasters sideways lol
fives was druged by the kaminoans in that ep on the way there
What if superman landed on planet coruscant in star war prequels
How do we know Coruscant has a yellow sun?
@@sidious187 Tatooine does
7:07 literally the plot of the bad batch for a while
if fives told jedi counsel about order 66
1. Anakin trusts him and brings him to jedi counsel
2. 5's gives evidence on how all of it ties to Palpatine implanting chips to make Palpatine do whatever he wants
3. Jedi Counsel trusts him
4. They remove all chips from every single clone withouth palp knowing somehow even if he is a sith lord
5. Jedi and clones kill Palp.
6. Revenge of the sith and Sequels never happen and Anakin and Padme live happily ever after
This is the most epic what if ever and should be made a movie or episode I'd watch it
Bro this was sick
"What if" Sabine Wren discovered that she was Force-Sensitive at the same time Ezra did in the SW: Rebels series.