If you look at it logically it's actually cheaper to buy a quality hand made piece that will last you a hundred years IKEA destroyed that with their cheap dumpster headed junk
@@user-du2of3lh1g This is exactly why I love making things myself. Higher quality, lasts decades, control the aesthetic, and learn new skills along the way. Ikea has a handful of things that are a justifiable buy, but 95% is just trash.
@@user-du2of3lh1g actually typical ikea furniture is made almost entirely of cheap solid lumber (mostly spruce and pine, or beech, sometimes alder, fir, probably varies substantially between regions or hemispheres), with metal and nowadays some plastic connecting bits. it is flimsy construction in terms of the connections and hinges and such, but the basic material absolutely has the longevity of solid wood - if you can tolerate the initial warping due to rushed production using often unreasonably fresh lumber. boards are always glued together from many narrow slats, presumably to produce slightly improved stability and to use cheap relatively thin and imperfect trunks from lumber plantations and to efficiently remove defects, but the glue joints always look perfectly trustworthy and show no deterioration for several decades in indoor use. I would assume that unless they claim otherwise, they normally use non-waterproofed standard PVA white glue, but if they do claim to use waterproofed glue on some or all furniture, then I would also trust those joints outdoors. the fiber board and plywood furniture ikea sells are just modern cheap furniture like everyone else does, that's really only ikea in name.
Plywood is saturated use but affordable on my budget Mdf is good but spendy and hardon tool sharpening. Consumer PB is junk. Like the creative epoxee, wish I could afford some of my daydreams.
Oversaturation is a market dynamic. More people selling than buying. Apparently, people ARE buying plywood furniture. I think that when people say epoxy is oversaturated, they’re saying someone who wants to make it will face strong competition when selling.
I think you nailed it. It's not a fad because while it looks cool or sure, it also looks kinda tacky. The thing in this video the wood part looks nice the epoxy bit looks tacky and plastic. People like the videos but wouldn't want that coffee table in their living room for ten years.
@@roosterqmoney Maybe one piece and depending on the size of the house how large it could be but now one is putting one of these pieces in every room yet every room does have furniture plus these are mostly a conversation piece.( IMOP) When you factor in the crazy high price artisans are asking for these things your customer base is very limited to begin with when it's hard to just buy food right now. It's very similar to the reclaimed wood fad from the last decade. It's just esthetics for the elitist. Not really the everyday person. All though I don't buy pressboard furniture at all there is nothing bad about good Maple, birch, Oak or even Alder being the bones of a solid piece of furniture. It can be made into heirloom quality if you put the time and effort into the piece.
I mostly know people having these boards. No furniture because a large piece of furniture with expoxy and wood is expensive but also really hard to match in a room because of its specific look. The epoxy look will never be saturated in terms of peoples homes but its a look I dont care for and I think its already hit its peak. People are not getting richer so this will never be a style in everyones homes, it was never meant to be
I think that’s where the “fad” and “oversaturated” talk comes from-online. I have never seen a piece of epoxy furniture in someone’s home. But my feed is inundated with epoxy pour tables and turning videos. I get them because I watch a lot of furniture making and turning videos, so the algorithm pulls all the epoxy videos and puts them in front of me. And one can only watch some many epoxy pour tables and dragon eggs being made! Beautiful, yes. But sometimes I need something else.
@@paulhopkins1905 what would you suggest as an original idea for solid hardwood? That exact same idea with epoxy is no longer an an original idea? Wood has been around longer than epoxy has. Seems wood would be unoriginal in every aspect. I can understand disliking epoxy. The look isn't for everyone. but original design with both wood, epoxy, and their hybrids are all over the place.
@@ggwoodworks *Their I think I also have a fundamental issue with some of the weaker opinions on why this product is "good." To preface, I'm a man, so I tend to get wood-working shorts from time to time. When I decide to watch a short, I never leave early. And I remember someone doing this kind of work and saying they feel good that the wood won't just be fuel for a fire, and that it'll last as a piece of art. And I don't get that argument at all. If it's disposed of, it'll decompose. If it's firewood, it'll become carbon. All right back into the environment. So that's not a good reason to defend your work.
@@jacofoot9940 The problem with epoxy is that it's going to take much longer for it to decompose, and plastics aren't good for environmental decomposition. My point wasn't that "making art is useless because it'll all go back into the earth." My point was that using wood for fire or disposing of it to decompose naturally isn't a waste, so it's odd to claim that using wood for a fire is sad or a shame. Sure, you could use it for art. But if it's being used for a fire, it's still serving a purpose.
MDF and Plywood are in the same class. They both are constantly used and disguised with laminate. Neither one is solid wood, let alone a classic hard wood.
@@bobbyhoffman5967 I would still consider plywood better than MDF. Plywood at least has structure to it and will take a screw without tearing out or turn to shit if water touches it.
The only reason epoxy tables seem to be a fad is due to social media. We've been doing tables like this in my shop for over 50 years, beginning with urethane. It seems that anyone with a video recorder all of a sudden has "new" ideas that have been around for hundreds of years and believe they have talents that took many of us decades to master as skills. Absurd. As far the cost...get what you pay for. Plywood and particleboard Ikea and Big Lots, or hardwood and epoxy from a master craftsman who takes pride in his work and believes quality over quantity.
Exactly. Oversaturated content on CZcams, not people's houses. I still enjoy watching the epoxy woodworking videos. Epoxy furniture is out of most people's price range, buying or making an epoxy table lol. Most of my furniture is hardwood and that's because it's all second hand items I've accumulated over the years at very low prices from charity shops. For that I feel blessed because it's a vibe that cheap furniture cannot touch. I'm sure everyone here would love an epoxy table but how many can afford it lol
Epoxy on natural wood was a huge trend in the mid 1970s for lower middle-class households. Growing up poor, I'd see these in every living room as tables, artwork, and clocks. It was extremely cheap to do back then because folks would cut down the old trees themselves. Be happy enjoying your hobby, but know that older generations may look at it the same way that we look at green shag carpeting and cheap wood paneling.
Plastics are so healthy! Did you know a study found plastics in every testicular area tested? Plastics found in stratosphere and oceans, rivers! Craps a five pound ball of plastics was pulled from a cow recently! In two separate countries!!
This is my thing. If I'm buying something because I like the look of a certain piece of wood I'm not going to want it swimming in a sea of plastic. If it's metal, glass, or, ceramic, or stone you have my attention.
It’s PLASTIC. Just stop defending it. Its only destiny is to take up space in a landfill for centuries. Plywood is affordable and at least breaks down because it’s WOOD. Epoxy is a ticking time bomb for aesthetics (it will yellow and fade, the end) and for the environment. There is no upside to it, it defeats the whole point of using one of the longest-lasting and most sustainable construction materials nature provides. “Is it oversaturated” isn’t the question you need to be asking. It’s like asking “are land mines in public parks oversaturated? I don’t think so, so here’s my defense of why I think placing land mines in public parks is here to stay!!”
My parents had to cut down a pecan tree in their yard that was planted by my dad. The tree came from my grandpa's house, he grafted trees to experiment with making better pecans. I had them cut two 4-5" thick slabs and sealed with anchorseal for two years. Local woodworker planed them, filled cracks witb epoxy and kept most of the bark somehow for the live edge look. Attached legs and now we gave two beautiful side tables sealed and filled with epoxy to remember my grandpa
@ggwoodworks I don't feel that in the home they are over saturated. They cost way more than the average consumer is willing to pay. Whereas plywood furniture is so much cheaper. However, I feel that the over saturating comments refer to CZcams videos and not what's in peoples homes. CZcams is definitely saturated with Epoxy projects that most people will never make or buy. But, you are right about there being so many variations available.
As a car guy who regularly falls into this camp, I think epoxy furniture is a good example of something you say “hey, that’s neat” to but is actually a bit kitschy or garish to actually put in your house. A lot of car stuff is like that. Unfortunately for the average person, most of us car guys buy it anyway because we lack taste.
My wish is to have a dark wooden table with deep green epoxy, maybe hints of gold streams here and there. Giving the feeling of a forest with the sun shining through.
youre answering it from a stance that the question wasnt asked from. he meant entertainment wise, the internet is oversaturated with epoxy furniture. not actual ownership of the furniture.
Its definitely a fad. When non woodworkers learn i do wood working there like a 90% chance they ask me "oh, do you know how to do those epoxy tables?" Or "have you ever tried making those tables that look like rivers with epoxy?" Or some other variation. It's a fad in the sense that it's really popular right now Among non workers specifically because of CZcams and TikTok videos.
Epoxy creations allow for the use of beautiful natural wood grains and cutoffs that traditionally would have been discarded! It’s amazing what can be made from previously undesirable wood and a little epoxy!
There's also the environment issue. Millions of sets of plywood furniture hit the dump every year. Imagine half that junk being plastic instead of wood...
Plywood is used because it’s cheap and economical. Epoxy is overdone and put into expensive “furniture.” The labor is expensive, the actual epoxy is expensive. Everywhere you look, walnut and epoxy and the tables are 1000’s. Idk why more CZcamsrs don’t use more exotic woods. Purple Heart, red heart, other woods I can’t pronounce. I understand the economics, walnut is one of the cheapest “fancy woods.” It’s beautiful, but every CZcamsr has mostly walnut and epoxy builds. It’s fatiguing.
100% a silly fad, that usually ruines most wood, and especially anything rustic at all. I know you want likes, and it's your business, but in 2-5 years this stuff will be at every garage sale for pennies on the $100.
@@ggwoodworks Having made them since highschool before it became a fad, 99% is machine work, resin work is easy, producing a lowvalue product in an oversaturated market. Time does not equal value, effort and skill do. Which is part of why it is oversaturated. Resin boards are the male version of bead jewlery, sure it looks nice but it's not worth that, Shannon.
@@paulhopkins1905 debubbling manually is labour intensive but everyone I've ever seen either use a roof torch or a vacuum chamber. I don't know anything who pops bubbles outside of the small batch jewellery game. Most people can use a sanding barrel and plane, most people can mix 1:1 and add colour. Some people do cool skills art stuff like making 3d fish in water, but that's less than 1% of 1% of the resin work is skilled like that.
People don't buy plywood furniture because it's a trend. They buy it because it's a step above some MDF or especially particle-board furniture. It's the most affordable option with some decent durability. If it's a trend, it's only amongst high-volume furniture makers. Fads tend to live on the high end, where money is no object, which is where epoxy resides... Or are you claiming you charge department store plywood furniture prices for your epoxy furniture?
Probably a lot more particleboard and MDF than plywood. I believe the complaints only refering the custom or hardwood furniture, not the consumer grade.
Not a great point with plywood. You can hide the fact that it’s plywood and that’s probably 90% of the plywood furniture your taking about. Rather plywood furniture that is built to use the plus as beauty is much less common. Plywood is also used for superior strength and stability. Where as epoxy is hard to hide the fact it’s epoxy and it doesn’t have nearly as big a place in woodworking as a whole. It’s great for filling holes.
I thought live edge things were a fad that was over at least 10 years ago. Now I think it's beautiful and the epoxy shows off the beauty of the wood. I like the individuality of each piece
You're talking about 2 different things. 1 plywood is more affordable for the general public. 2. The oversaturation of epoxy is oversaturation on the internet, not necessarily in people's homes
The River / Seaside / Oceanside emulation is overdone. Let's see some genuine creativity. The fact that epoxy lights up so beautifully with LEDs seems underdone at this point
Calling a material a fad is missing the point. Whether epoxy or plywood. It's a raw material. The actual design and execution of the finished product is what matters. Problem with epoxy is most people are just using it the same way. Like pouring a slab in this video with a live edge. That specific design execution is definitely getting stale.
plywood is everywhere because it's durable and affordable. epoxy is obviously a fad. people will eventually get bored of furniture that looks like it's made of hand soap.
The government tells us that we're not allowed to have plastic straws or plastic shopping bags, but it's ok to have a bit of timber with a huge slab of plastic in/around it? As much as I love the look of some epoxy+timber furniture, I can't justify making or buying something like that.
My dude- your work is beautiful. I know this is annoying- but please protect your lungs from that epoxy. Pouring it, sanding- polishing- any time you’re working with it-please- lets keep you here making beautiful things for many, many, years to come.
Have been an interior designer/furniture salesman, as well as a custom furniture fabricator for 48 years. Dissing plywood is ignorant.....plywood was used in Cleopatra's day....2000+ years ago. Plywood is the way to enhance wood's stability and utilize/maximize rare grain patterns. Hardly a recent fad, simply smart and practical woodworking. Epoxy pieces are mostly ostentatious and mostly gross-looking attempts to "create" something unique. Can't wait for folks to be over this tawdry fad. Clear or black epoxy is somewhat tolerable.....BLUE SIMPLY SUCKS so bad as to be grotesque. I believe that much of it will simply fall apart after a few years. Plastic and wood are just too different in composition and reactions to seasonal changes....expansion and contraction....and DON'T PUT A PIECE IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT DAILY !! I may be long gone before the trend goes away, but meanwhile....it's keeping CZcams and Pinterest OVERSATURATED with wannabes for damn sure. The last thing this Earth needs is more plastic crap....this is the latest horrific......FAD !!!!!!
Correct. But that it's like saying " he killed a man, so I'm allowed to rob banks" Epoxy furniture are stunning, but we are producing way too much chemicals
Nope it is most definitely a fad. Everything changes, nothing stays the same. Who would have thought that heirloom quality furniture would end, that kids would turn down the stuff that was their parents, grand parents, etc, but in the modern consumerism we want cheap fashion based crap from places like IKEA. And you walk into my house, there is zero plywood furniture, solid wood, Stickley only
I dont think it's over saturated. I think that the people who work with epoxy and wood definitely overcharge, so it's become something that only the rich or upper class people can actually afford to buy. Woodworking skills used to be one of the most basic things you could learn. Now, everyone acts like it's some super rare, super special thing that only a few people can do, so they extort people for their products.
Plywood furniture is cheap so I don't blame people for having that. Epoxy FURNITURE, is fine, that's not oversaturated. What is oversaturated, and I see in at least 60% of homes, is epoxy chopping boards. It's really common, and you should not be preparing food on epoxy, it is a toxic sustance!
Personal opinion: if it's not all wood, I don't want it. Same with plywood; "wood product", or "engineered wood" just doesn't work for me as furniture.
"I've never seen epoxy furniture in a home" Yeah and I bet there's a reason to it. Think about it: for the last 5+ years, epoxy furniture has been trending and people have been claming in the comments that epoxy furniture look amazing, these are beautiful art pieces etc. Yet, none of them have epoxy furniture at home. It's a typical case of "love the idea/won't do it" hypocrisis, like giving to the poor or helping refugees. Everyone love the idea yet nobody does it. IMO it only reflects that people like *watching* you crafting epoxy furniture, but they don't actually like the furniture.
theyre not saturated in homes because tables like this are selling for $1000+. which doesnt make sense because you spent maybe what, $100 at most in material? And no, the price doesnt reflect any sort of skill in making these, because there is none. This type of table takes maybe an hour of actual labor, the rest is waiting for the epoxy to cure.
plywood furniture is what it was meant to be - functional and affordable. epoxy furniture is sorta functional and absurdly, stupidly overpriced. epoxy furniture is a way to make a semi functional table out of wood leftovers and plastic, call it "art", and charge orders of magnitude more than it is actually worth.
But do you know what epoxy is? As someone who has done a PhD in chemistry, I know that it's a highly toxic plastic. I wouldn't let my children touch it.
Totally agree. It is hard to find furniture that isn’t plywood. The acrylic and raw wood pieces that you make are beautiful. Plus, no two are the same, every piece is original. In a world where almost everything is corporately replicated your work is original. Be proud of your accomplishments.
Nope. Not over saturated. If I could afford it I’d have a piece in every room of my house. My late husband was going to make a piece for me but never got the chance to. He knew how much I loved it. Your work is stunning. He definitely would have been envious.
All of what he said....and you save trees by using less wood, especially the pieces that would have been discarded b/c they're not "perfect". I love it. Can't wait to get my hands on some custom pieces.
The only reason people say its over saturated is because people don’t make videos and social media posts about normal furniture but they do for epoxy furniture
It might be oversaturated, but if it is, it's because they're HEAVILY featured on social media, and not all of them are very good. Some are basically cookie-cutter projects that can be banged out really fast. One-off projects that actually took some time in the design stage still very much hold a place in the market.
Hey I hear your point, however, where I live I've noticed that some of the workshops that I shop at are not carrying too much epoxy anymore due to the "oversaturated market". Southern Ontario, Canada
Near enough everything that's not crucial to survival is a fad. Wood was a fad, then is wasn't, then it was, then it wasn't etc etc Leather jackets were in, then cotton, then polyester, now leather again. 60s and 70s furniture is currently trendy. ie sleek, wooden tables are back in very similar designs (just have epoxy on them this time). Epoxy is the same. Cant wait to see badly done tables with little consideration for seasonal stabilisation sat outside at yard sales falling apart in 5 years.
Epoxy has its uses. Do I like it? No. It cheapens everything. It’s a polymer which is basically plastic. Seems a travesty to me to use these beautiful hardwoods with such garbage.
Who has plywood furniture? Almost all mass-produced furniture is either particle board or fiberboard. Rarely is mass-produced furniture plywood. I know people who have epoxy furniture. I don't think the market's oversaturated; however, I believe it's super heavily saturated when it comes to people who want to make social media content and people's early do-it-yourself furniture right after cutting boards. Especially when it comes to the style in this video, that's not saying you shouldn't make things you enjoy making.
Black epoxy is timeless as it fills voids and is very useful for making furniture easy to clean. Colored epoxy, especially bright colors, had its time in my opinion. It will always be there but for the price of epoxy I’d rather have mostly wood and just use colored epoxy as a small accent or just use black and let the wood shine.
We live in an affluent neighborhood of 120 homes ranging from 750k to 1.2M that is one mile from the beach. I have been in about 50 of them and have not found one piece of epoxy furniture. And this development is 15 years old so not antiquated. IMO, epoxy furniture is absolutely NOT oversaturated. Nor overrated. I love it and keep up the good work.
I think people might be confusing "this looks really stunning on video so maybe I have seen a ton of videos like this" with "customers wanting it is a fad/oversaturated "
You might be missing the definition of over-saturated. If there were two people selling solid gold toilets, that market would be over-saturated. The issue with high-end epoxy furniture is that there really isn't much room for people to enter that market, you can make lower priced epoxy furniture or high-end non-epoxy furniture, those markets have some room, but pretty much everyone that wants and expensive table that weighs a ton more or less is satisfied by the current folks making them.
I think the idea of over saturation is specifically for CZcams. While most homes won’t have the epoxy furniture, a lot of the woodworking channels have TONS of videos making epoxy pieces
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I haven't seen anything with the bark still on. Can the bark stay on? Id love a clear epoxy with the bark on a table top
Fad or not, I am making it for my house and I don’t care
@@Stonecon try it and let us know
I think it's beautiful
Buddy, who cares what anyone says? As long as it makes you happy, makes you money, or both. That's all that really matters!!
Plywood furniture drives me crazy, but it’s so hard to afford anything else!
I can deal with the plywood, particle board and mdf is what drives me crazy. Plywood is at least real wood and also very stable.
If you look at it logically it's actually cheaper to buy a quality hand made piece that will last you a hundred years IKEA destroyed that with their cheap dumpster headed junk
@@user-du2of3lh1g This is exactly why I love making things myself. Higher quality, lasts decades, control the aesthetic, and learn new skills along the way. Ikea has a handful of things that are a justifiable buy, but 95% is just trash.
@@user-du2of3lh1g actually typical ikea furniture is made almost entirely of cheap solid lumber (mostly spruce and pine, or beech, sometimes alder, fir, probably varies substantially between regions or hemispheres), with metal and nowadays some plastic connecting bits. it is flimsy construction in terms of the connections and hinges and such, but the basic material absolutely has the longevity of solid wood - if you can tolerate the initial warping due to rushed production using often unreasonably fresh lumber. boards are always glued together from many narrow slats, presumably to produce slightly improved stability and to use cheap relatively thin and imperfect trunks from lumber plantations and to efficiently remove defects, but the glue joints always look perfectly trustworthy and show no deterioration for several decades in indoor use. I would assume that unless they claim otherwise, they normally use non-waterproofed standard PVA white glue, but if they do claim to use waterproofed glue on some or all furniture, then I would also trust those joints outdoors.
the fiber board and plywood furniture ikea sells are just modern cheap furniture like everyone else does, that's really only ikea in name.
Plywood is saturated use but affordable on my budget Mdf is good but spendy and hardon tool sharpening. Consumer PB is junk. Like the creative epoxee, wish I could afford some of my daydreams.
Oversaturation is a market dynamic. More people selling than buying. Apparently, people ARE buying plywood furniture.
I think that when people say epoxy is oversaturated, they’re saying someone who wants to make it will face strong competition when selling.
I think you nailed it. It's not a fad because while it looks cool or sure, it also looks kinda tacky. The thing in this video the wood part looks nice the epoxy bit looks tacky and plastic. People like the videos but wouldn't want that coffee table in their living room for ten years.
@@roosterqmoney Maybe one piece and depending on the size of the house how large it could be but now one is putting one of these pieces in every room yet every room does have furniture plus these are mostly a conversation piece.( IMOP) When you factor in the crazy high price artisans are asking for these things your customer base is very limited to begin with when it's hard to just buy food right now. It's very similar to the reclaimed wood fad from the last decade. It's just esthetics for the elitist. Not really the everyday person. All though I don't buy pressboard furniture at all there is nothing bad about good Maple, birch, Oak or even Alder being the bones of a solid piece of furniture. It can be made into heirloom quality if you put the time and effort into the piece.
Exactly.
I’ve literally never seen a piece of epoxy furniture in real life. I’ve only ever seen them in videos like this.
I mostly know people having these boards. No furniture because a large piece of furniture with expoxy and wood is expensive but also really hard to match in a room because of its specific look. The epoxy look will never be saturated in terms of peoples homes but its a look I dont care for and I think its already hit its peak. People are not getting richer so this will never be a style in everyones homes, it was never meant to be
I think that’s where the “fad” and “oversaturated” talk comes from-online. I have never seen a piece of epoxy furniture in someone’s home. But my feed is inundated with epoxy pour tables and turning videos. I get them because I watch a lot of furniture making and turning videos, so the algorithm pulls all the epoxy videos and puts them in front of me. And one can only watch some many epoxy pour tables and dragon eggs being made! Beautiful, yes. But sometimes I need something else.
@@doctorawesome1 I definitely understand that and I do believe that is what most people mean.
Because in real life its terrible furniture, and it only exists because CZcamsrs are all sponsored by total boat and have no original ideas.
@@paulhopkins1905 what would you suggest as an original idea for solid hardwood? That exact same idea with epoxy is no longer an an original idea? Wood has been around longer than epoxy has. Seems wood would be unoriginal in every aspect.
I can understand disliking epoxy. The look isn't for everyone. but original design with both wood, epoxy, and their hybrids are all over the place.
Oversaturated? No.
Over-rated? Absolutely.
To each there own!
@@ggwoodworks *Their
I think I also have a fundamental issue with some of the weaker opinions on why this product is "good." To preface, I'm a man, so I tend to get wood-working shorts from time to time. When I decide to watch a short, I never leave early. And I remember someone doing this kind of work and saying they feel good that the wood won't just be fuel for a fire, and that it'll last as a piece of art. And I don't get that argument at all. If it's disposed of, it'll decompose. If it's firewood, it'll become carbon. All right back into the environment. So that's not a good reason to defend your work.
@@echo.romeo.Then why make anything at all of it will all return to nature at some point?
@@jacofoot9940 The problem with epoxy is that it's going to take much longer for it to decompose, and plastics aren't good for environmental decomposition. My point wasn't that "making art is useless because it'll all go back into the earth." My point was that using wood for fire or disposing of it to decompose naturally isn't a waste, so it's odd to claim that using wood for a fire is sad or a shame. Sure, you could use it for art. But if it's being used for a fire, it's still serving a purpose.
@@echo.romeo.now don’t you go bringin’ none o’ that dang logic ‘round here, son.
I don't see plywood furniture anywhere anymore, its all MDF.
MDF and Plywood are in the same class. They both are constantly used and disguised with laminate. Neither one is solid wood, let alone a classic hard wood.
@@bobbyhoffman5967 I would still consider plywood better than MDF. Plywood at least has structure to it and will take a screw without tearing out or turn to shit if water touches it.
The only reason epoxy tables seem to be a fad is due to social media. We've been doing tables like this in my shop for over 50 years, beginning with urethane. It seems that anyone with a video recorder all of a sudden has "new" ideas that have been around for hundreds of years and believe they have talents that took many of us decades to master as skills. Absurd. As far the cost...get what you pay for. Plywood and particleboard Ikea and Big Lots, or hardwood and epoxy from a master craftsman who takes pride in his work and believes quality over quantity.
Plywood or ‘pressboard’? - ‘particle board and pressboard’ are two of the poorest quality products used in building anything behind only plastic!
Epoxy projects are over saturated on CZcams. Barnwood and anything farmhouse is truly over saturated in every regard. Thanks Joanna Gaines.
It's not Epoxy furniture , its the vids of epoxy that people are tired of.
Exactly. Oversaturated content on CZcams, not people's houses. I still enjoy watching the epoxy woodworking videos. Epoxy furniture is out of most people's price range, buying or making an epoxy table lol. Most of my furniture is hardwood and that's because it's all second hand items I've accumulated over the years at very low prices from charity shops. For that I feel blessed because it's a vibe that cheap furniture cannot touch. I'm sure everyone here would love an epoxy table but how many can afford it lol
Epoxy on natural wood was a huge trend in the mid 1970s for lower middle-class households. Growing up poor, I'd see these in every living room as tables, artwork, and clocks. It was extremely cheap to do back then because folks would cut down the old trees themselves. Be happy enjoying your hobby, but know that older generations may look at it the same way that we look at green shag carpeting and cheap wood paneling.
The reason people having plywood furniture is not modesty they just can’t afford hardwood and please let’s not talk about the epoxy cost .
I actually like the look of plywood over most hardwood if it's done right. It has a really unique look.
Plastics are so healthy! Did you know a study found plastics in every testicular area tested? Plastics found in stratosphere and oceans, rivers! Craps a five pound ball of plastics was pulled from a cow recently! In two separate countries!!
Yeah
I love the look of epoxy stuff but I won't buy any extra plastic. We're already getting it in every every every every damn thing.
This is my thing. If I'm buying something because I like the look of a certain piece of wood I'm not going to want it swimming in a sea of plastic. If it's metal, glass, or, ceramic, or stone you have my attention.
It’s PLASTIC. Just stop defending it. Its only destiny is to take up space in a landfill for centuries. Plywood is affordable and at least breaks down because it’s WOOD. Epoxy is a ticking time bomb for aesthetics (it will yellow and fade, the end) and for the environment. There is no upside to it, it defeats the whole point of using one of the longest-lasting and most sustainable construction materials nature provides.
“Is it oversaturated” isn’t the question you need to be asking. It’s like asking “are land mines in public parks oversaturated? I don’t think so, so here’s my defense of why I think placing land mines in public parks is here to stay!!”
My parents had to cut down a pecan tree in their yard that was planted by my dad. The tree came from my grandpa's house, he grafted trees to experiment with making better pecans. I had them cut two 4-5" thick slabs and sealed with anchorseal for two years. Local woodworker planed them, filled cracks witb epoxy and kept most of the bark somehow for the live edge look. Attached legs and now we gave two beautiful side tables sealed and filled with epoxy to remember my grandpa
Love that! That’s what it’s all about!
Aw great choice on the pecan wood I bet it smelled good..
That’s a fitting and proper use for epoxy. Blue river tables are not 😂
@ggwoodworks I don't feel that in the home they are over saturated. They cost way more than the average consumer is willing to pay. Whereas plywood furniture is so much cheaper. However, I feel that the over saturating comments refer to CZcams videos and not what's in peoples homes. CZcams is definitely saturated with Epoxy projects that most people will never make or buy. But, you are right about there being so many variations available.
Of course its a fad. Everything at every point in history has been
As a car guy who regularly falls into this camp, I think epoxy furniture is a good example of something you say “hey, that’s neat” to but is actually a bit kitschy or garish to actually put in your house.
A lot of car stuff is like that. Unfortunately for the average person, most of us car guys buy it anyway because we lack taste.
Mate, why don’t you care about your health and neglect protecting your airways from the dust/debris/epoxy particles?
My wish is to have a dark wooden table with deep green epoxy, maybe hints of gold streams here and there. Giving the feeling of a forest with the sun shining through.
I like the vision!
I agree with this! 😎
youre answering it from a stance that the question wasnt asked from. he meant entertainment wise, the internet is oversaturated with epoxy furniture. not actual ownership of the furniture.
Its definitely a fad. When non woodworkers learn i do wood working there like a 90% chance they ask me "oh, do you know how to do those epoxy tables?" Or "have you ever tried making those tables that look like rivers with epoxy?" Or some other variation. It's a fad in the sense that it's really popular right now Among non workers specifically because of CZcams and TikTok videos.
That is beyond amazing! You have such talent!
Yes and yes everyone with a router an Etsy site and enough garage space are doing them
its absolutely a fad. Its absolutely not hear to stay. Its completely tacky, and I cant wait until the fad is over.
Epoxy creations allow for the use of beautiful natural wood grains and cutoffs that traditionally would have been discarded! It’s amazing what can be made from previously undesirable wood and a little epoxy!
So instead of letting bad timber rot and return to nature, you turn it into plastic. Good idea! /s
There's also the environment issue. Millions of sets of plywood furniture hit the dump every year. Imagine half that junk being plastic instead of wood...
Plywood is used because it’s cheap and economical. Epoxy is overdone and put into expensive “furniture.” The labor is expensive, the actual epoxy is expensive. Everywhere you look, walnut and epoxy and the tables are 1000’s. Idk why more CZcamsrs don’t use more exotic woods. Purple Heart, red heart, other woods I can’t pronounce. I understand the economics, walnut is one of the cheapest “fancy woods.” It’s beautiful, but every CZcamsr has mostly walnut and epoxy builds. It’s fatiguing.
100% a silly fad, that usually ruines most wood, and especially anything rustic at all. I know you want likes, and it's your business, but in 2-5 years this stuff will be at every garage sale for pennies on the $100.
I think this looks amazing and you are an artist and you shouldn’t worry about haters that are just jealous because they can’t do what you do ❤
And they can't afford it!
The problem is it isn't worth what people think it is. I went to a bbq festival, saw 100k$ in resin boards and saw a single sale.
The problem is they take forever to make haha so you have to charge a decent price to make it worth your time sadly.
@@ggwoodworks Having made them since highschool before it became a fad, 99% is machine work, resin work is easy, producing a lowvalue product in an oversaturated market. Time does not equal value, effort and skill do. Which is part of why it is oversaturated.
Resin boards are the male version of bead jewlery, sure it looks nice but it's not worth that, Shannon.
@@ggwoodworksThe only real time invested is waiting for exoxy to cure, which isn't labor
@@paulhopkins1905 debubbling manually is labour intensive but everyone I've ever seen either use a roof torch or a vacuum chamber. I don't know anything who pops bubbles outside of the small batch jewellery game.
Most people can use a sanding barrel and plane, most people can mix 1:1 and add colour. Some people do cool skills art stuff like making 3d fish in water, but that's less than 1% of 1% of the resin work is skilled like that.
@@meatbag8751 100%
Agreed 👍 100% - I'm a Remax realtor and have been in tens of thousands of homes from mansions to medium size yet have never seen epoxy furniture
Plywood is affordable, epoxy isn't. Not everyone is rich.
People don't buy plywood furniture because it's a trend. They buy it because it's a step above some MDF or especially particle-board furniture. It's the most affordable option with some decent durability. If it's a trend, it's only amongst high-volume furniture makers.
Fads tend to live on the high end, where money is no object, which is where epoxy resides... Or are you claiming you charge department store plywood furniture prices for your epoxy furniture?
Not much else makes woodworking look cheaper than epoxy.
Weird because they seal so much with urethane, which is damn near identical in looks. You have dry wood pieces around your home then?
@@utubesuxalotofazz I don't. But everything I have looks better than epoxy does.
@@utubesuxalotofazz Or you could possibly just finish wood how it's meant to be finished? With an oil or wax?
Probably a lot more particleboard and MDF than plywood. I believe the complaints only refering the custom or hardwood furniture, not the consumer grade.
Not a great point with plywood. You can hide the fact that it’s plywood and that’s probably 90% of the plywood furniture your taking about. Rather plywood furniture that is built to use the plus as beauty is much less common. Plywood is also used for superior strength and stability. Where as epoxy is hard to hide the fact it’s epoxy and it doesn’t have nearly as big a place in woodworking as a whole. It’s great for filling holes.
I thought live edge things were a fad that was over at least 10 years ago. Now I think it's beautiful and the epoxy shows off the beauty of the wood. I like the individuality of each piece
You're talking about 2 different things. 1 plywood is more affordable for the general public. 2. The oversaturation of epoxy is oversaturation on the internet, not necessarily in people's homes
The River / Seaside / Oceanside emulation is overdone.
Let's see some genuine creativity.
The fact that epoxy lights up so beautifully with LEDs seems underdone at this point
Epoxy furniture is sold as art. Plywood furniture is utilitarian. As art, it's a fad.
The algorithm may be "oversaturated with epoxy" but actual pieces are still rare enough to be equally expensive and/or unsellable.
its a great way to show nice wood and otherwise odd pieces that couldnt be used by themselves.
Calling a material a fad is missing the point. Whether epoxy or plywood. It's a raw material. The actual design and execution of the finished product is what matters. Problem with epoxy is most people are just using it the same way. Like pouring a slab in this video with a live edge. That specific design execution is definitely getting stale.
plywood is everywhere because it's durable and affordable. epoxy is obviously a fad. people will eventually get bored of furniture that looks like it's made of hand soap.
The government tells us that we're not allowed to have plastic straws or plastic shopping bags, but it's ok to have a bit of timber with a huge slab of plastic in/around it? As much as I love the look of some epoxy+timber furniture, I can't justify making or buying something like that.
My dude- your work is beautiful.
I know this is annoying- but please protect your lungs from that epoxy. Pouring it, sanding- polishing- any time you’re working with it-please- lets keep you here making beautiful things for many, many, years to come.
i reckon kitchen cupboard doors would look bloody amazing, speciall bench tops....but imagine back lighting them too!
Have been an interior designer/furniture salesman, as well as a custom furniture fabricator for 48 years. Dissing plywood is ignorant.....plywood was used in Cleopatra's day....2000+ years ago. Plywood is the way to enhance wood's stability and utilize/maximize rare grain patterns. Hardly a recent fad, simply smart and practical woodworking.
Epoxy pieces are mostly ostentatious and mostly gross-looking attempts to "create" something unique. Can't wait for folks to be over this tawdry fad.
Clear or black epoxy is somewhat tolerable.....BLUE SIMPLY SUCKS so bad as to be grotesque. I believe that much of it will simply fall apart after a few years. Plastic and wood are just too different in composition and reactions to seasonal changes....expansion and contraction....and DON'T PUT A PIECE IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT DAILY !!
I may be long gone before the trend goes away, but meanwhile....it's keeping CZcams and Pinterest OVERSATURATED with wannabes for damn sure.
The last thing this Earth needs is more plastic crap....this is the latest horrific......FAD !!!!!!
Correct. But that it's like saying " he killed a man, so I'm allowed to rob banks"
Epoxy furniture are stunning, but we are producing way too much chemicals
From the woodworking community I think people see epoxy as either elitist, at worst, and unrelatable at best.
Nope it is most definitely a fad. Everything changes, nothing stays the same. Who would have thought that heirloom quality furniture would end, that kids would turn down the stuff that was their parents, grand parents, etc, but in the modern consumerism we want cheap fashion based crap from places like IKEA.
And you walk into my house, there is zero plywood furniture, solid wood, Stickley only
I love epoxy furniture I have an epoxy bar top and it is amazing. Also, that is a beautiful charcuterie board. You do great work.
Thanks!
I dont think it's over saturated. I think that the people who work with epoxy and wood definitely overcharge, so it's become something that only the rich or upper class people can actually afford to buy. Woodworking skills used to be one of the most basic things you could learn. Now, everyone acts like it's some super rare, super special thing that only a few people can do, so they extort people for their products.
Plywood furniture is cheap so I don't blame people for having that. Epoxy FURNITURE, is fine, that's not oversaturated. What is oversaturated, and I see in at least 60% of homes, is epoxy chopping boards. It's really common, and you should not be preparing food on epoxy, it is a toxic sustance!
Personal opinion: if it's not all wood, I don't want it. Same with plywood; "wood product", or "engineered wood" just doesn't work for me as furniture.
That's like saying pixel art should've died when 3D became more possible. It's just not true, do what you want and do it your way!
I agree with you 100%, epoxy might be a fade but definitely not "over saturated" and the opposite is so true most furniture is made from plywood
"I've never seen epoxy furniture in a home"
Yeah and I bet there's a reason to it. Think about it: for the last 5+ years, epoxy furniture has been trending and people have been claming in the comments that epoxy furniture look amazing, these are beautiful art pieces etc. Yet, none of them have epoxy furniture at home.
It's a typical case of "love the idea/won't do it" hypocrisis, like giving to the poor or helping refugees. Everyone love the idea yet nobody does it. IMO it only reflects that people like *watching* you crafting epoxy furniture, but they don't actually like the furniture.
theyre not saturated in homes because tables like this are selling for $1000+. which doesnt make sense because you spent maybe what, $100 at most in material? And no, the price doesnt reflect any sort of skill in making these, because there is none. This type of table takes maybe an hour of actual labor, the rest is waiting for the epoxy to cure.
I want to see cabinets bro, let see you make some cabinets.
I don't like the appearance of epoxy but I would love to see what he could do with epoxy in cabinet making
plywood furniture is what it was meant to be - functional and affordable. epoxy furniture is sorta functional and absurdly, stupidly overpriced. epoxy furniture is a way to make a semi functional table out of wood leftovers and plastic, call it "art", and charge orders of magnitude more than it is actually worth.
But do you know what epoxy is?
As someone who has done a PhD in chemistry, I know that it's a highly toxic plastic. I wouldn't let my children touch it.
Totally agree. It is hard to find furniture that isn’t plywood. The acrylic and raw wood pieces that you make are beautiful. Plus, no two are the same, every piece is original. In a world where almost everything is corporately replicated your work is original. Be proud of your accomplishments.
Nope. Not over saturated. If I could afford it I’d have a piece in every room of my house. My late husband was going to make a piece for me but never got the chance to. He knew how much I loved it. Your work is stunning. He definitely would have been envious.
I agree 💯. Good work my man.
All of what he said....and you save trees by using less wood, especially the pieces that would have been discarded b/c they're not "perfect". I love it. Can't wait to get my hands on some custom pieces.
my bullies call me a fad too
The only reason people say its over saturated is because people don’t make videos and social media posts about normal furniture but they do for epoxy furniture
That would look cool as kitchen door and drawer fronts 😮❤
Epoxy is not a natural product. It demeans woodwork. It's beautiful, but it's literally using plastic to make things pretty.
The reason people say that epoxy is over saturated is because there are so many different ways to use it. Anyone who says that has not tried using it
That's why I hate going to big box furniture stores like Rooms To Go or Ashley for anything. Can't find a single piece of hardwood anywhere.
It might be oversaturated, but if it is, it's because they're HEAVILY featured on social media, and not all of them are very good. Some are basically cookie-cutter projects that can be banged out really fast. One-off projects that actually took some time in the design stage still very much hold a place in the market.
Hey I hear your point, however, where I live I've noticed that some of the workshops that I shop at are not carrying too much epoxy anymore due to the "oversaturated market".
Southern Ontario, Canada
Stunningly beautiful and not a fad.
Near enough everything that's not crucial to survival is a fad.
Wood was a fad, then is wasn't, then it was, then it wasn't etc etc
Leather jackets were in, then cotton, then polyester, now leather again.
60s and 70s furniture is currently trendy. ie sleek, wooden tables are back in very similar designs (just have epoxy on them this time).
Epoxy is the same. Cant wait to see badly done tables with little consideration for seasonal stabilisation sat outside at yard sales falling apart in 5 years.
That is gorgeous tray. Do you sell the items you make.
Epoxy has its uses. Do I like it? No. It cheapens everything. It’s a polymer which is basically plastic. Seems a travesty to me to use these beautiful hardwoods with such garbage.
Thats just what someone in the tail end of a fad would say
Agreed..that s why am making medieval pieces…
it’s ultra popularity is definitely a fad but this is always going to be type of table you can buy
Who has plywood furniture? Almost all mass-produced furniture is either particle board or fiberboard. Rarely is mass-produced furniture plywood. I know people who have epoxy furniture. I don't think the market's oversaturated; however, I believe it's super heavily saturated when it comes to people who want to make social media content and people's early do-it-yourself furniture right after cutting boards. Especially when it comes to the style in this video, that's not saying you shouldn't make things you enjoy making.
Yeah particle board is the main thing nowadays and it’s even worse than ply furniture. All the older furniture that’s in most homes is ply and veneer.
Second hand furniture from
Overseas makes it hard for people to spend the money on custom stuff
I do residential HVAC for two years now. In 4-6 different homes everyday (5 days a week). I haven’t seen a single epoxy piece of furniture
Black epoxy is timeless as it fills voids and is very useful for making furniture easy to clean. Colored epoxy, especially bright colors, had its time in my opinion. It will always be there but for the price of epoxy I’d rather have mostly wood and just use colored epoxy as a small accent or just use black and let the wood shine.
Relative cheap , easy , versatile, and durable.
One of my daughter, buys new furniture every 10 to 15 yrs. My main furniture was purchased in 1983. I recently patched a couple knicks.
I bought 100% wood living room and bedroom furniture 30 years ago. I paid an arm and a leg for it. But it will never fall apart.
Dude dont listen to that crap.....u have a trade & u do great work! Keep it up...your pieces are beautiful. THANKS FOR POSTING!
We live in an affluent neighborhood of 120 homes ranging from 750k to 1.2M that is one mile from the beach. I have been in about 50 of them and have not found one piece of epoxy furniture. And this development is 15 years old so not antiquated. IMO, epoxy furniture is absolutely NOT oversaturated. Nor overrated. I love it and keep up the good work.
It's too expensive to ever become saturated...
custom made furniture is an oversaturated market
I think the over saturated fad is haters on the internet. Keep up the good work!
IKEA comes to kind for over-saturation and still highly viable furniture.
It's all over the internet. It's oversaturated. People don't need to see it in person to experience it.
That isn't a fad, that is beautiful
I think people might be confusing "this looks really stunning on video so maybe I have seen a ton of videos like this" with "customers wanting it is a fad/oversaturated "
You might be missing the definition of over-saturated. If there were two people selling solid gold toilets, that market would be over-saturated. The issue with high-end epoxy furniture is that there really isn't much room for people to enter that market, you can make lower priced epoxy furniture or high-end non-epoxy furniture, those markets have some room, but pretty much everyone that wants and expensive table that weighs a ton more or less is satisfied by the current folks making them.
I’d say not a fad. It can make a very unique piece of wood practical and I looks good.
I think the idea of over saturation is specifically for CZcams. While most homes won’t have the epoxy furniture, a lot of the woodworking channels have TONS of videos making epoxy pieces