Wheel Of Time Movies CONSPIRACY!
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2021
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"The Wheel of Time turns, and Movies come and pass, leaving conspiracy that becomes controversy. Controversy follows to tweets, and even the tweets are long remembered when the Movies that gave it birth releases.”
Beautiful
Nailed it!
"Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well 😌."
This comment was narrated using Michael Kramer's Voice in my head.
Nice
Only the Disheveled Goblin would make his closet into a conspiracy den.
My Englisch teacher loves WoT so now he is bying the whole book-series for my schopl because I asked him
hell yeah
Big win
😍
Lmao ask him for game of thrones 😂
Your English is awful.
I see that Daniel upgraded from a knife to a rapier. How long until the mic is on the grip of the giant great sword.
I am waiting for him to win the David Gemmell awards and use Snaga the sender :)
We’re not ready for the Cloud Strife mike setup.
I think that’s an epee, not a rapier. But correct me if I’m wrong.
hmm apprently they closed down the awards :(
Once he finally starts Berserk
I feel like the move here is for Amazon to call their bluff - "Oh, you're going to make a multi-million dollar (potentially billion-dollar) trilogy if we don't pay you? Go for it." The difficulty of actually getting movies off the ground suggests to me that these just won't be made if Amazon doesn't do anything
Good point.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. If the show goes BOOM like GoT did and Amazon doesn't buy these rights now? It could get really bad.
Me who has not really read wheel of time: "Hmm.. Yes. Interesting."
Read them all first
Me very video Daniel makes
Imagine you walk in your closet and you find Daniel talking of Wot with a sword. Best scary movie
This has Graendal's signature all over it.
The shadow works in mysterious ways
Amazon has already committed tens of millions into a show, likely 100's of millions. How could Red Eagle not try to make some money off of it? Its frustrating bc theyve had the rights for so long, and only doing something with it now that someone else has done ALL the heavy lifting now. Wreaks of a cash grab..
They'll probably try to get amazon on board and thus make them buy the rest of the rights.
Is it still Red Eagle? Damn, remember them getting the right for it about what? 15 years ago?
@@jellevanbreugel325 And squandering it..
@@coffeecupwithtea no argument there.... damn shame......
No, that can't be possible! Hasn't history shown us what outstanding people Red Eagle Entertainment are - surely they would never attempt such a low move? :-D :-D :-D
Is this a cut scene from Bo Burnham's new special?
Handsome, nerdy, gangly, blonde men with a lot of props, projectors, perspective, and rousing, rueful rhetoric delivered from a small, dim corner of their homes? Aye, I can see it.
I am currently reading Knife of Dreams, book 11 of the wheel of time. Thank you very much Daniel for introducing me to this wonderful world
In really enjoyed that one. May the Source be with you. 🤘
Such a great entry in the series
he didn't write the wheel of time. lol
Just got through the first book. Still a long way but I'm certainly looking forward to learning more about this world and see where it takes Rand and company.
What do we want?
A good series.
When do we want it?
As soon its ready.
What series do we want?
Wheel of time!
(Me in a corner) A jurassic park series about Manuel, a workers on Isla Nublar that survive the outbrake and is trying to get out of that hell hole, only to get to Isla Sorna.
That sounds like it would be awesome
@@theodorvallik1 A chase where you see Hammond's monsters. A small pursuit with a carnotaurus hiding somewhere on the screen at night. Raptors fighting among themselves and chasing him at some other point. There are so many thing to do with it. And with a small cast of maybe 3 workers with Manuel as the main, you can then focus on the props and environments.
I think this makes sense. We know Red Eagle would pull this kind of stunt.
How dare the true blood of Manetheran do such a thing
All I'm hearing is that after Mistborn I should binge Wheel of Time
If you have already read Warbreaker, Elantris and Stormlight, yeah.
‘Binging’ Wheel of Time is like saying you’re going to ‘Binge’ the internet. 4.4 million words. 15 books. Over 2k characters / locations 😏
@@nathanforrest9370 right, so a couple of months for a super nerd 🤓
@@hsmith4263 I'll need an update when you get halfway through Winter's Heart haha!
@@nathanforrest9370 as soon as I find a library that has it😔
Good books are so hard to find these days
When the Disheveled Goblin goes from a dagger to a sword one has to wonder, did some poor adventurer come questing for the shelves only to "donate" their sword?
*Me without wearing earphones*
Daniel: "Okay. I need you to listen, and listen well"
*Immediately puts on earphones to clearly hear what Daniel will say*
Daniel, hiding in the closet to tell us about the turning of the wheel. This is great!
I thought he already came out of it
Yeah the movie announcement was actually so strange, no way there’s gonna be a show and prequel trilogy coming out in the same years by different studios with an IP that’s not like Spider-Man or something mainstream and done over and over again like that
Daniel giving high school English teacher vibes with the projector
As Siuan would say "something about this seems fishy"
This is just me talking out of my ass here. I’m kinda against the Age of Legends movies mostly because it’s like fleshing out Atlantis or an ancient civilization. It just won’t compare to the story/imagination you’ve had in your head.
Agreed! Yes!
You do an amazing job, great work- long time Sub!
One small critique though, the show is going to start soon and I hope that WOT content creators start to advertise this show by quickly putting out reactions/reviews/news. Sometimes content is slow in coming for WOT, coming out a week after news has dropped. Faster content will only help get the show trending and get more viewers and subscribers to the streaming service. Really want the show to finish adapting the entire series (15 books is a lot y'all) so we need to do everything we can to ensure success.
The streamers who cover WoT TV news seem to have a deal where certain people cover certain news in a certain order. I'm guessing it's an attempt to be courteous in regards to getting views? I agree it might hurt getting WoT content out faster.
What you said makes sense; not sure why they'd do it without response from the audience on the show though. It honestly feels like they're encouraging Amazon to throw as much money as they can at the project which just rubs me the wrong way. At this point its not even a business tactic.
This reminds me of when they made the the one shot wheel of time hour long TV special. Noone knew about it noone talked about it all of a sudden it was just there at 2am all those years back
I would really like to know why there aren’t any direct NO’s from the estate. It’s been pretty firm that there would be no more WoT stuff aside from what’s already been written. What changed?
They probably can’t come out against it due to legal agreements and rights
I just keep getting distracted by that amazing sword!
I misread and thought you said: "amazon sword!"
I love the username
You're right. Making an Age of Legends trilogy well would require more money in special effects than the main series itself. Building little villages and CGI-ing weaves becomes building megapolises the likes of which we've hardly imagined, as well as CGI-ing weaves. They can't actually do it. Their only leverage is to put out crappy things that make the IP less valuable. They're hoping Amazon will toss them some more cash to get the rights and make it go away. This is right in line with the people making the Billy Zane 2:00 am special.
First off just great promotion of your book there having it right in front of your CZcams award there our great goblin lord. Small spoiler ahead but secondly I found this passage online about the movies “When men using the One Power become insane and destroy much of the planet, a small band of women unite under the White Tower, and are humanity’s last hope of survival.” Did I miss something, White Tower Aes Sedai did not begin construction of the White Tower until around 100 After Breaking so how are they in this movie
Maybe the movie does take place 100 years after the Breaking and the passage is misleading or not well written. Or they are playing with canon.
Would not be surprised with Red Eagle playing with canon
@@unknownsoldier421 I'm not familiar with them, so I don't know what they do with canon.
@@truefanforum3273 It’s like our goblin lord said in his video. They helped create the Winter Dragon pilot which was god awful so they could keep rights to WOT. With Amazon taking over they may try anything for another money grab including screwing with canon
@@unknownsoldier421 Oh dear. As Daniel said, hopefully any changes to canon won't affect the show. But honestly, it seems to early to even say any movie will come out.
Yeahhhh my eyeballs have been stuck in a side-eye over this since Tuesday... looks like they're staying that way haha
Perfectly said. I’m over here skeptical. 😑
We never thought we would get to see the age of legends. My favorite scene in the whole series is Rand in Rhodian.
Soooo this is the vibe. I respect that you'd put this out there. I think you're spot on. I agree.
Brandon said today in his weekly update he took a day to work on movie stuff, maybe this is it?
This summed up my thoughts on the news of the trilogy perfectly! I think Amazon has done a great job so far on the show and trying to keep it as true as they can to the source material while adapting it well for TV and modern audiences. And I want to be excited about the potential for new movies and an Age of Legends trilogy sounds perfect but this movie thing could just come in and... undo all of the work of the show which would suck lol Thanks for the insight Daniel! You always have the best WoT takes :)
I see the Goblins are wearing their +2 Tin Foil Helms of Insight! Enchanted to peer into any conspiracy and know the truth… 😎
When I saw the article, I got hyped instantly, but after reading it I do feel that the whole thing seems rather vague. Boiling the article I read down, it basically said "Guy is writing movie about the WoT." I also wrote a screenplay for a movie when I was 14 and someone could have truthfully written "Guy is writing X-Men/Gundam crossover film," yet the world never got to see it.
Without major money backing it up, I think Daniel's theory makes a lot of sense.
If I was the WoT series people right now, I'd be a little worried/ticked about the potential customer confusion.
Do you have a name for this rapier ? If not, I can suggest Merphy. You know, Merphy Rapier. Get it ?
I saw books on their side on his bookshelf. I saw it, Daniel. I SAW BOOKS ON THIER SIDE ON YOUR BOOKSHELF!
I'm sure there's a popular Red Eagle booth at Jordan Con that you can walk up to and have a pleasant conversation with since they are so beloved.
What can I say: The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills.
True, i thought so as well- glad you made a video about it!
Goblin in his laundry closet spilling dirty laundry
Movie 1: The Fellowship of the Ring of Tamyrlin
Movie 2: The Two Powers
Movie 3: Return of the Dragon
I think most of this makes a lot of sense and you’re definitely on the right track about the purpose and meaning of the silent reaction of Sony, Amazon and Harriet, Brandon, Rafe. I think however they target is less likely to be Amazon Studios and more likely to be Sony Pictures, which they are trying to bait with a WOT-Universe project. Worst case scenario, they may try to get a bidding war between studios for the movie project. And this starts with a script or treatment, which is what they’ve commissioned. What is suspicious is the fact they felt the need to put out a press release about it this early. This sounds a lot like they already pitched the idea of a prequel to Sony/Amazon that showed little interest, and they decided to go forward nonetheless and add pressure by making the script commission public.
Speculation for speculation, I think nothing will come out of this but the first script. I doubt other studios will show interest, and I doubt Sony will be interested in a prequel/spin off this early on. There is an additional reason why they should be pretty pissed off at Red Eagle, and it’s spoilers. A lot of what these movies might cover would have been revealed by bits and pieces in the TV show itself, but now could be revealed by the movies, on their own time., without any control by Rafe and Sony/Amazon. And speaking of that, there may well be conflicts over the rights coming, as some of the canonical material about the AOL exists only in the form of passages from the main books, which rights have been leased entirely to Sony. Red Eagle I would surmise only has left to exploit the “spin off” and sequels rights. This could mean that Rafe is limited in what he can show of the AOL to material that’s straight from the main books, not derived from the encyclopedia, the notes and so on, a bit like Peter Jackson wasn’t allowed to depict some things that we know of only from the Silmarillion. It could mean also that Red Eagle won’t be able to use material referred to only in the main books, so they’d have to make up their own canon. Promising…….
Above all, this really has the Red Eagle stink all over it.
Daniel have you read the Aeronaut's Windlass by Jim Butcher? I heard about it, but haven't seen many trustworthy people talk about it.
I swear you are making me laugh way more than anyone does. Love your style
You and I are definitely in sync in thought regarding this subject, sir goblin. 🤔👍
My personal guess is that Red Eagle may be a sort of investment found. They probably bought the rights to WOT adaptation ahead of time, hoping to sell lately at higher price, not to produce or invest themself in the franchise further. Probably they don't even have the money to do it, their capital may be represented by the rights with no or little liquidity. It will be interesting to see if they would actually pay for the production of three movies if amazon just does nothing. Imagine the age of legends on a budget, with special effects like in "The NeverEnding Story". Think about the memes.
Suddenly Wheel of Time is very popular in the adaptation world
I just stared reading The eye of the world about a month ago. Due to some vacations in between I have not finished it but I al looking forward to the rest of the journey. I hope the adaptations stay true to the books.
Daniel why do you have a fencing sabre?
Good point about the timing of it all. Seems like they would be selling low at the moment since no one outside the fandom knows what it is.
It’s like if someone else had Dunk and Egg and sold it to HBO before GOT even had a trailer rather than waiting til the height of the craze.
I'm from a foreign country and so far I haven't successfully found the third book so I just read the eye of the world and I am heartbroken I did mange to find it online but am a little scared to order in the internet overseas any one knows about the quality of the book depository?
That saber looks like it's actually seen some fencing, so I approve of you using it.
WoT Up did say their contact at the WOT Amazon production said they were totally blindsided by this announcement and had nothing to do with it.
I think you're right. I thought the same thing as soon as this was announced. Red Eagle Entertainment has done this sort of thing before. They created the old pilot episode of WoT just to keep the television rights; they had zero intention of making that pilot into an actual TV show.
I am actually very worried that this might mean that Amazon has no rights to events from the Age of Legends. I would love to see some retrospections to the past Ages in the show and skipping on them would be a huge loss in my opinion. Let's be honest - those glimpses into the Age of Legends are one of the things that make Shadow Rising one of the best books in the series
They have the rights to the novels and everything in them, including the flashback scenes in The Shadow Rising.
How many point objects do you have mics on?
Daniel! What microphone is that that you're using?
I see. Dishevelled Goblin x The Wheel of Time + adaptation = Conspiracy Closet. What a nice equation!
It will be awesome if you make new video and include The Foundation series coming soon :)
I started wot earlier this year, only the last 3 books are left. It must have been fate that I chose to read it now whit the show and stuff. I'm glad I got into it
I 100% agree that it's a tactic for $. They announced it too early otherwise. nothing has started other than saying they plan to make 3 movies. Add to that the fact that Amazon's WOT show will very likely have scenes flashing back to the Age of Legends already. The story of that age has a lot of impact on the current time, and you can't tell the current story without talking about the Age of Legends, and in a high budget tv show, they won't just talk about it, they'll show it. Not to mention that the main antagonists are leading characters during the war of Shadow at the end of the AoL. Very interested to see where this all goes.
It would be hilarious if the people behind the movie trilogy announcement are just super fans that have zero intention of making the movies, and only want amazon to take the IP and make those movies instead
Love how you cleared out your closet and possibly took down the shelf on the right side for more room. Disheveled goblin clearing out his hoarded closet for CONSPIRACIES!
I am optimistic there are higher powers we are unaware of which will help these movies tie into the main series flawlessly. Currently wrapping up book 4! Thanks Daniel for your summaries so I can make sure I don't miss any important parts of these wonderful books on my read through.
Daniel: Good analysis. I think the thing is a bluff. It would take a major studio to do the films. None of them want to touch it. Amazon can ignore it in comfort, and it should blow over. If the movies actually happen the true fans will know what's up. Critical public reaction will settle the issue.
Any Age of Legends content would more than likely spoil parts of Rand going through the glass columns and I am 100% NOT OK with that! 😆
Do you have ANY IDEA how many times I just tried to clean my phone screen.
I knew once i saw this on my feed that you'd talk about it....
Conspiracy closet. I’m here for it.
Finally, someone who is saying the same thing I have since the start. This just all feels like a negotiation tactic to force Amazon to have to dish out money before they even know if it's worth it.
Also, I would be terrified if another studio did those movies. The AoL doesn't end well. Any other studio, who can't redeem LTT later in the show or explore a few Forsaken more, will have to change the ending to make it more final. So it would either end at the Bore sealing and make it appear they won, or do something radically different. And how confusing would it be for new viewers to then go watch the show and see a different tale?
Just got to chapter 37 in A Memory of Light: The Last Battle
I'm so f'ing pumped.
Can someone tell me what ip means?
Ted Field is an executive producer of the WoT TV show, he is also the Chairman and CEO of Radar Pictures. So how is Field associated with the show and also going against it at the same time? Or did he somehow finagle Exec Producer status by allying with Red Eagle Entertainment?
[Laughs in *Winter Dragon*]
What I’m wondering is how they can market these movies to the public, especially those who have never read/heard of the wheel of time before. Like when people ask what these movies are, is the pitch going to be: “ oh, it’s a prequel to an established epic fantasy series”. I think it just comes off as awkward- if you market it as a prequel to an established series, people are going to wonder why the main series simply isn’t being made instead.
Thoughts on the timing of all of this. The announcement of the non-Amazon affiliated potential movie trilogy comes a week and a half before the start of San Diego Comic-Con where it is highly likely that the Amazon production team will be having a presence to make a big announcement regarding the show (e.g. release date, trailer, etc.). This now puts the topic of these movies into the discussion and is almost certain to have fans asking questions to which Amazon representatives do not currently have an answer (based on the reports that they were blindsided by this announcement just like all of us). So that puts a time crunch on them to react to the announcement in some way or risk being in the unpleasant position of looking foolish having nothing to say when those questions are asked. Giving them such a short window grants leverage to Red Eagle Entertainment (iWOT now I guess) to pressure them into the most favorable deal they can to secure the Amazon position on this in some way as Daniel succinctly put forth.
My favorite part of this video is watching goblin man slowly regret using that sword for a mic mount more and more.
As a newbie to this whole universe and franchise, does anyone recommend whether to start with the books, the legend show, or the movies?
Read the books man, the show isn’t out yet and if the movies do come out they are years away
The books.. Always the books.. They are sooo amazing..
And I think when you read books they give you an insight into the characters which movies and shows somehow just dont.
bo burnham: inside (2021)
You’re right of course. Also they need to sell whatever they have before the GoT prequel drops. If the GoT prequel turns into flaming dragon poop the value of Age of Legends tanks as well.
Haven't watched yet, but I think it's a bit of a ploy to force Amazon to either buy out Red Eagle (iWOT?), or buy the remaining wot related film/tv properties.
daniel have you read trudi canavan's black magician trilogy? if so you could you do an analysis or review maybe ( or something on it) if not you should deffinitley read it; its amazing
You probably would enjoy Black Jewels serie (author's name eluding me right now, Ann something..?)- Bishop, Ann Bishop.
@@ChristmasLore they look cool ill try them sometime!, thanks
Something smells fishy... Yeah... Ask Siuan 😄🤘
There are also a Battlestar Galactica show and movie in the works, handled by different producers.
Soooo, if they don't acknowledge each other, how will they deal with the characters that should appear in both? The forsaken, the dragon,... I cannot imagine they'll go with an internal voice for Rand only; they'll do some face-to-face with an actor in a black or white plane or something along those lines. And having forsaken looking different will give issues for new fans to follow/understand.
nice fencing saber, i’m more of an epee man myself though
Thanks for explaining about that. I am uncomfortable with the fact that Brandon Sanderson and Harriet and the Robert Jordan estate is not involved with these movies at all. I have much more faith in the TV series. Anyway, I don't know if you saw it or not, but last Tuesday night, I finished reading and listening to A Knife of Dreams. I will likely start the Gathering Storm on my next day off.
What if, and hear me out, they're talking behind the scenes to make sure shit works out and they felt like they weren't getting anywhere and pulelled this stunt to get things worked out before the show premieres?
For people who have not read the (very forbidding multivolume) Wheel of Time books, a prequel has no intrinsic marketing value - rather like Amazon's Tolkien prequel project would be if the Jackson movies did not exist. It is really hard to understand how someone could commit serious money to making these films. In any case, Amazon is not competing with these movies, which will not appear until well after Amazon's series is established (but will look nothing like Amazon's series), and so has no reason to pay them the slightest bit of attention and give them publicity or the slightest hint of endorsement.
I agree 100% with this speculation. Iwot Productions Limited are responsible for this announced movie trilogy. The president of Iwot Productions Limited is Rick Selvage. Rick Selvage of the now defunct Red Eagle Games, Red Eagle Entertainment LLC, Manetheren LLC, Hannibal Fogg LLC, and Phaya One LLC.
In summary, its literally Red Eagle doing licensing shenanigans again. I wonder if they'll hire Billy Zane again.
Yeah, it does feel kinda skuzzy. Par for the course for Red Eagle though.
you're right, the context of this announcement is so weird. Like maybe there's a shred of IP that got lost and someone's trying to exploit it and no one's sure if they can do anything about it
I feel a law suit coming....
yep
The biggest problem is are you going to be able to get the same actors for the Forsaken from the show to the movie. Since appearance wise they will not have aged a days save a few who were not trapped in the bore.
Sitting here...distracted by wondering if the sabre is just a prop or if he actually fences?🤺
Petition for Daniel to make a video as a PowerPoint presentation and use the saber in this video as the pointer
Jordancon is this weekend and Sanderson is going to it. Maybe we'll learn something new from that?
Yeah this feels like Winter Dragon all over again.
oh dear daniel now i'm scared