JASON WILLIAMS, LEGEND OF WINNING, AND CHLTWN32 JOIN THE SHOW | PC EP107
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- NBA Champion Jason Williams, the King of NBA Hot Takes Legend of Winning, and the King of NBA TikTok Chltwn32 join the show.
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⌚Timestamps⌚
00:00 Show Starts
0:14 Top 75 snubs
8:41 did Karl Malone and John Stockton Utah Jazz underachieve?
19:10 Jason Williams Kobe Bryant Story
20:52 Jason Williams Shaquille O'Neal's story
23:33 Magic Johnson vs Steph Curry categories
THIS OR THAT who's greater/better?
37:59 Scottie Pippen or Kevin Durant
40:27 Allen Iverson or Kawhi Leonard
40:55 Steph Curry or Larry Bird
42:32 Tim Duncan or Shaquille O'Neal
43:25 LeBron James or Michael Jordan
43:56 Jason Williams on defense in the 90s and the 2000s
58:48 LOW responds to Shaq's challenge
1:01:07 Grading rings
1:15:13 Larry Bird was really that dude
1:16:58 Chltwn story with Shaquille O'Neal
1:20:52 did Karl Malone and John Stockton Utah Jazz underachieve? part 2
1:29:29 Players Choice Merch Plug
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Fire lineup. There’s absolutely no excuse for the show to be this short with a lineup like this😂💯
man godly
Literally seen a tiktok with all yall on here and immediately came to CZcams 😂
On god
5 idiots talking basketball is nice to you? J Will and man on bottom right are the only two in this clip who know shit. I could never hear the other 5 speak on basketball again and my life would be better
At least ticket wasn't there to be toxic😂
Jason Williams, LOW, Chltwn32, Shaq and Dell in one episode? Y’all assembled the Avengers today lol
Where's shaq?
@@Steven_Martinez shaq was the dude with the grey hoodie not the NBA shaq😂
LOW missed a great opportunity to mention how much of a CHOKER malone was. LOW didnt get off what he needed to. Missing bunnies late in games malone always usually makes. Missing clutch free throws. Malone is the definition on numbers can lie. Because when it mattered he didn't deliver. Hence he underachieved.
Nahh numbers don’t lie they just don’t tell the whole story
He wasn’t allowed sometimes it’s hard to listen to the podcast because they aren’t ever able to fully listen to an argument
you're propagating a lie that bill simmons etc in the media started. Malone was a monster in game 7s for example, yet you guys won't acknowledge this. I dare you to. Avgd 28/11.3/5.7 on 51.5% FG...that's basically as good as it gets, especially for his era. Game 7s are the definition of high stakes, and in those cases Malone proved himself to be an all time great. Saying he choked because he missed some FTs etc is the absolute definition of cherry picking.
@@Milosenpotion
Free throws are a part of the game, numb nuts. If you can't hit them when you need to, it doesn't matter how well you played before. His free throws cost them Game 7 vs Seattle in '96 and it also cost them Games 1 and 6 of the NBA Finals in 1997.
Indeed both Finals losses came down to the simple fact that Jordan delivered and Malone did not.
1997 Game 1: Malone missed two crucial free throws with the game tied. Jordan steals the show with a buzzer beater
1997 Game 5: Malone had one field goal in the second half. ONE. Meanwhile, Jordan scores 38 points (twice as many as Malone) while sick as a dog. Bulls win by 2.
1997 Game 6: Jordan outscores Malone by 18 points, Malone missed 8 free throws, Bulls win by 4.
1998 Game 2: Malone outscored by Jordan 37-16, Bulls win by 5
1998 Game 4: Malone outscored by Jordan 34-21, Bulls win by 4.
1998 Game 6: Malone outscored by Jordan 45-31, Jordan steals it from Malone in the game's dying moments and clinches a ring at the other end. Bulls win by 1 point.
Face it, he's a choker. Moments like this are what separate great players from cream-of-the-crop legends.
Malone’s FG% plummeted in the playoffs!
LOW had a great argument about Malone and Stockton. A Top 5 Pg and A Top 3 pf with a beneficial supporting cast and coach have no excuse to not only finish without a ring but also lose that much in the playoffs.
Nahh the old dude had the best reply
He had no point the best at east position does not traditionally win the championship only a few
@@Trigg4563 yeah but a losing record in the playoffs is almost unheard of for a duo of top 5 players at their position
@@Trigg4563 bro they didn’t win not one time my guy. That’s like if lebron and kyrie went all 4 years together without a ring is that not underachieving?
@@Iam2toneT i guess the counter would be they lost to the warriors team which was arguably the best team ever made
Definitely have this lineup back
This is why ya should bring actual hoopers more on this segment. It brings balance. A lot of these guys aren’t bad but it’s refreshing to hear actual basketball discussed rather than just opinions and what a person thinks
But let’s be real some hoopers actually have bad tales😂
@@Iam2toneT I get ya point but more than none a real hooper gonna give you Xs and Os
I love hearing arguments I make with my friends in this show, makes me feel like I make some sort of sense😂
Thank you for this episode.
Fire lineup, I could listen to this panel for 3 hours easy
3 hr lineup is crazy
The problem with Jason Williams Jordan/Lebron argument is that his own argument proves the lane was more clogged in the 90's which is why Jordan had to make those acrobatic layups and dunks over people. Imagine if the centers (Ewing, Mutombo, Alonzo, Robinson) were hanging at the 3 point line like centers do now. Jordan would so easily beat his man off the dribble and score at the rim. It wouldn’t even be fair to the rest of the league.
Ya, Jason Williams is on some serious drugs to think defense is better today...
BIG FACTS💯People who discredit MJ for the he played really don't understand how skilled MJ was
Look at the speed of defender in today's NBA and during Jordan era, it seems like it is on fast forward for 0.5 seconds.. Point guards and shooting during Jordan era can't even dribble that much. Imagine the likes of Kyrie on that era, even the Class A point guard of today's and the LeBron era PG's, they are really good.
@@clue73457 it is better just the offense is better to
@@FrancisBots Guys evolved. "Point guards and shooting during Jordan era can't even dribble that much" ever heard of Tim Hardaway, Pistol Pete, MJ, IT and etc? NBA athletes nowadays also took PED's, suppliments and pills to grow their body for NBA standard. Look at Giannis, Lebron and etc. Guys in the 90's dont have that luxury. Except for Wilkins, rarely NBA athletes back then recover from injuries.
Some of these questions as well as the arguments and opinions are just straight up wild bruh
Please bring this crew back! Legit never seen a sports pod debate that's this great!
This lineup is crazy 🔥
Unc was COOKING unbelievable show even on time restrictions🔥
Great Show Congratulations again on 7k we still gonna need that draft is it next week again?
⌚Timestamps⌚
00:00 Show Starts
0:14 Top 75 snubs
8:41 did Karl Malone and John Stockton Utah Jazz underachieve?
19:10 Jason Williams Kobe Bryant Story
20:52 Jason Williams Shaquille O'Neal's story
23:33 Magic Johnson vs Steph Curry categories
24:37 Scoring threat
24:55 Playmaking ability
25:34 Basketball IQ
25:54 Finishing
26:18 Playoffs
27:04 Better overall
27:32 Open Floor Magic Johnson vs Steph Curry
THIS OR THAT who's greater/better?
37:59 Scottie Pippen or Kevin Durant
40:27 Allen Iverson or Kawhi Leonard
40:55 Steph Curry or Larry Bird
42:32 Tim Duncan or Shaquille O'Neal
43:25 LeBron James or Michael Jordan
43:56 Jason Williams on defense in the 90s and the 2000s
58:48 LOW responds to Shaq's challenge
1:01:07 Grading rings
1:01:38 Los Angeles Lakers 2000-2002
1:02:30 Detroit Pistons 2004
1:02:50 Miami Heat 2006
1:04:46 Boston Celtics 2008
1:05:48 Los Angeles Lakers 2010
1:06:08 Dallas Mavericks 2011
1:06:33 Miami Heat 2013
1:06:51 Golden State Warriors 2018
1:07:58 Toronto Raptors 2019
1:15:13 Larry Bird was really that dude
1:16:58 Chltwn story with Shaquille O'Neal
1:20:52 did Karl Malone and John Stockton Utah Jazz underachieve? part 2
1:29:29 Players Choice Merch Plug
Scottie in front of the Greek Freek is nasty work😭😭
I don’t even know basketball like that but unc being on this show made it amazing, def have him back
I’m happy as hell I found yah ok tiktok love this channel
Fire episode fellas. Hate I had to miss it
shoutout to CHLTWN32 !! also wow what a panel dude, this is dope !
Just watch few minute I already wish this was longer already
this is the greatest line up in sports history
I've seen the memes and I'm late but This was so Good 🔥
That dude Chill just came wit smoke for Low 😂😂😂😂😂
Cause that man takes be reaching a lil he know ball though but god damn STOCKTON & MALONE WERE ONE THE BEST DUOS IN THE GAME
Low stresses me out
I’m catching up I been waiting to watch this one 😭💯
It’s so easy to go back and watch a Larry bird game and u have to account accomplishments and stats for a player del
Try to keep OG on the show man . He know his stuff 🔥
Who is OG? Was he a former player?
@@fiidisksdiduui1898 OG was nasty and high school but nah he just a basketball encyclopedia
@@heresyfinder8720 baby jordan
Great show 💯🔥y’all been killing it ion agree with everything y’all say but I love the basketball talk
34:48 white chocolates trippin. I wanna hear his top 5 Lakers.
I’m 19 and I go back to watch damn near all of the bulls games in the 90s. They help me fall asleep and i just like watching old basketball games in general. They come with commercials too and everything it’s great but my point is you can easily go back on CZcams and watch these games. Bcz u weren’t alive when they played doesn’t mean you still can’t witness their greatness and they try to dumb you down like you don’t know anything about the player since you didn’t watch them live 🤦🏽I hate when ppl bring that up in arguments.
as a 37yo it's awesome that you actually go back and watch games like that. I wish people would do that before trying to present their arguments across eras, because from what I've seen young people will make their argument with absolutely zero game footage watched (highlights are not footage). Keep up that mentality; knowledge is power. This is basically the scientific method.
I will say as a Jazz fan that I think the media was extremely biased towards the Bulls in that era. Bob Costas could practically taste MJ's jockstrap the way he called the 98 Finals. Almost everybody was rooting for the Bulls, so they'll never acknowledge/accept that though.
@@Milosenpotion Yeah, the realness of it got me hooked. Players weren't really getting payed that much back then which i think is apart of the reason aside from me loving the game in general. I think everyone who loves the basketball should go back and watch these games because their real special and yeah the media was all over jordan. I dont know how he had the focus to never disappoint with all eyes on him.
It’s even funnier that he said KD over Bird then said he’s only seen Bird clips from The Last Dance Lmaooo he contradicted himself
Okay I'm subbed for this collaboration
Man this was a legendary debate, it was interesting all the way through.
great show, boys
Lit show🔥🔥
Fire line up. Love to see you guys do a collab like this but include someone like KOT4Q
“I think Scottie would agree with me”- Shaq. LMFAO
The worst parts of the show are the organized segments and the best parts are when they are debating and the convo is free flowing
Exactly, that “grading rings” segment was pointless and im glad J Will acknowledged it lol
Allen iverson over kawhi is crazy Idk how you could argue that 😭
Exactly. Kawhi is greater all time and was better as a player.
Am I tripping but the warriors in 1990 had Mullins,hardaway, Richmond that team was crazy 🤣🤣🤣
Jason Williams and Chltwn32 need to be permanent members of the show
Chltwn32 is the ultimate knower of ball
No, they don't.
Here for Jwill! Subbed.
14 minutes in, I thought this was Top Chef, Unk be cooking that dude ass LOLLLLLLLL
This is nuts.
There’s always one guy like Shaq
Malone and Stockton definitely should have one atleast one 💍. So yeah I believe they underachieved as a team, not taking anything away from individual accomplishments. Both are definitely top 5 in their positions.
They should have one 3 imo each year mj was out and 98 to me there is no reason you don't win when you have a top 5 player and a top 5 point guard who are a top 10 duo in nba history arguably top 5
The fact the Tmac wasn’t on the list is CRAZY!
Ayo the old heads microphone makes him arguing so much funnier 🤣🤣🤦🏼
I’ve never seen Shaq so quiet in the beginning 😭😭
Jwill is top 75 ball handlers
34:53 that’s not ridiculous
Bro ur a god 😭
Why were people saying low lost? Chlt was just being loud XD "They lost in the first round to ___" "Well they lost to a team that made the second round." THATS CUZ THEY LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND XD god damn!
52:07 saying rodman would put lebron in jail is comedy😂😂😂😂
It's most definitely not
@JD_ShakerMix not
Dawg white chocolate ???!!! His voice is perfect I didn’t even think he would sound like that fr 😂😭
Lol I love the chat arguing with an elite player who played against almost all the guys they cape for.
🤣🤣🤣
This was such a fire show today
First off I wanna say, GOAT panel💯💯💯
But mainly I just wanted to say, even tho zone was illegal on paper, there’s plenty of examples of teams blatantly breaking those rules and there’s plenty of articles written at the time that talk about how teams consistently play zone despite it being illegal. The reason for this was becuz the “illegal defense” rule which was created in 1987 was very poorly defined and enforced (also in 2004 there was a literal commission led by jerry collangelo that came together to change the rules and make scoring easier). And btw, the heat played more zone than any other team in 2020 yet they only played zone 5% of the time (idk the team that played the most zone in 2021 and 2022 but I would bet that the amount of zone played is not that different lol)? But overall like I said, this was a GOAT panel💯💯
23:00 Shaq broke the code. 😂
This channel needs to get to booming, people not talking bout it enough
They full of shit
Really like this group. LOW got the undermining gems , can’t wait to see Shaq go at OG.
If J will was on this show every episode, this would be a top podcast fsho
Damn y’all got white chocolate?! That’s dope
You knew that every comparison would flow peacefully until MJ vs LBJ
Kobe is my #1 best skilled player all time and #2 behind Jordan for best player.
Jason williams got scorched so many times by Kobe he still hates him
I think Bibby and Bobby Jackson was better then him he had handles tho lol
you're an actual noob if you think kobe was the 2nd best player ever, sorry.
@@Milosenpotion hell no. Skill wise he’s #1. You’re the noob. I’ve watched basketball for 40 years
@@488ferc4 ima be honest kd more skilled🤷♂️
@@nahsayin3686 are you a kid? Go back and watch Kobe videos! You’re probably too young to see Jordan/Kobe play. KD watches Kobe videos!
I swear I’ve tried to explain the difference in the illegal defense between the 90s and now soooo many times I’m glad j will a nba player spoke on it so I know I’m not wrong.
Yea but it all needs context you can still double team just had to commit to a double team or stay next to your man
Jason Williams shot 37% FG in the 90’s Bruh lol
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Yk what it’s so funny 😭😭, they just brought up how easy it was for Jordan and they got Kobe low on they list…. He played in that 97-09 defense lol and he was dropping 81, 62, 50pt games 40pt games im high confused by that logic kobe should be higher 😭especially when jwill got dropped off by him b4 but ig man
Facts idk why so many try to disrespect Kobe’s legacy. He got 5 rings in the hardest era in the toughest conference!
The Shaq absolutely was more dominant than Tim, but his overall career was not
If klay had a individual career he would be a taller better defending JJ reddick type player… he’s someone you can pair with 90 percent of nba players to make your team better… I truly believe klay is a positive asset to any nba team. If you replaced Tobias Harris with klay on the sixers embiid and klay would be a handful already
Jason Williams Kobe Bryant Tony delk highlight is great check it out! Jwill remembers! 😂😂
50:16 was dude on the top right upset or something because I don’t see what’s the problem of asking that question. It’s because he really knows who’s the greater BASKETBALL player is.
Dude in the blue shirt is smooth with his opinions
30:50 LeBron was in the NBA Finals (and Lost) in his 4th Season of the back of some legendary playoff moments.
If ya haven’t already I think it should be a ep about KDvsBird
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Bruh this shit lit as fuck! Keep it up with these fire line ups
Shaq's argument about rings and how they got 'em is a good argument all rings don't stack up against each other the same. Yes all chips are an A at the end of the day but I don't hold the raptors' ring anywhere near as high as the lakers' in 2010
Is Shaq talking through ps5 headphones? 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Scottie had problems with a pre nba draft dirk, just think what a prime kd would do
You got white chocolate on the show🔥
So young people shouldn't have people they haven't seen in their top? 🤦🏻♂️
I swear that’s so dumb.
By the same logic kids born in the 2010´s can’t have MJ in their top 10 🤦🏾♂️
@@yvans. it really is next level dumb. And it encourages people to disrespect the legends of the sport.
@@hyphen2126 💯 straight up
@@yvans.its perfectly logical to only rank players that you've seen play 🤣 id argue heavily that's the most logical way to rank players. a ton of younger ppl can and do go back and watch mj and other older players, unlike they could do back in the day unless ur uncle gave u tapes. they can also watch so many more live games than they could back then, esp before 1980
Jay Williams kobe story is him getting shat on by kobe lmfaoo
Abs what did jordan need around him a playmaker all world defender 😂😂😂
Dell was cooking respect Dell low to dub was very humble and quiet
This is the perfect team !!!! Just add mars are we set
Klay would damn near be Ray Allen in Seattle just with defense.
Number 1 option.
Shooter and running around picks and screens.
Klay can’t dribble like Ray
Lol nah
Ray Allen used to dunk on cats.
Y'all ask the wrong people about Kobe lol
As a matter of fact they changed that isolation illegal defense in 1987
They added an illegal offensive rule that year too
Dwight got snub b/c of what happened to him when he went to LA and didn't meet expectations and then his career went down the drain. But I aint taking Reggie Miller off the 75 he earned his spot by his play. He was the leader of the Pacers franchise for years.
The shot they was saying about magic you could use the same for jordan
Jason Williams actually said that KOBE BEAN BRYANT isn't a Top 5 Laker???? Are we talking about the #4 All Time NBA scorer #1 Laker All Time Scorer,5 Time Champion (2 without Shaq) 2 Finals MVPs,2008 MVP, Averaged 40 for a whole MONTH ! The Most Dominating Scorer of All Time who score all around the court inside to outside,Great Mid Range Shooter!! And Kobe Bryant isn't a Top 5 Player of All Time ??? Man Jason Williams must be high off something to say that
I agree with everything other than the mark dominating scorer Kobe doesn’t have the most points or average the most and not efficient nor is the most versatile. Kd most versatile next up is Larry bird. Average the most mike. Has the most will be lebron or the sky hook man himself. And the person who is known as the most dominant is Shaq and the man known as the best scorer is melo the guy who all he did in his prime was just score at all levels no defense. So idk where we got Kobe as the greatest or dominant scorer there isn’t a single stat or case that backs him. Everything else u said I agree with
J will a certified hater lol
All respect due how is J will gonna say he faned over Kobe in game and proceed to switch up and say Kobe not top 5 laker of all time..
He’s hurt
He’s talking about who is a better player who played for the lakers. You can argue lebron, magic, Kareem, shaq and wilt are all better than Kobe.
@@2robjenkinsSHAQ ISNT BETTER THAN KOBE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SHOTBYCC_ I never said he was, you can argue that though. At their peaks.
46:50 Defenses have left guys like Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Danny Green, or Kyle Korver open for 3's to go double LeBron routinely in the Playoffs. (Just go watch to highlights)
J Will shocked me on the Jordan comment. So, there were two Jordans, the young Jordan who was athletically doing whatever he wanted on the court, and got double and triple teams all game long and he was beating those double and triple teams all the time. The mid Jordan that won the titles had to exist in the triangle offense, and this is what J Will was speaking on when working on the wing and not really having to worry about a help defender. However, remember that play where Jordan is about to get double teamed in the corner by Charles Oakley of the Knicks, but Jordan spins back to the baseline and then dunks over Ewing. That's also a reason people stopped double teaming Jordan all the time. Mind you, he did function before the triangle, differently. JWill went to bat big time for Bird but threw Jordan under the bus, but listen to what Bird says about Jordan. It reminds me of the first Olympic Coach Jordan had in his last year of college, the great Bobby Knight. Knights friend was in the front office for Portland and wanted Knights advice on some of the players on the team. Knight mentioned Jordan and Portland said that they already had Drexler and were looking moreso at a center. Knight responded by saying to play Jordan at center. Jordan had yet to play an NBA game and Knight was already saying he was the best player he ever saw.
Reggie? Wow Reg was so gritty he almost bumped a prime Jordan out of the playoffs.
I can’t believe anyone was debating Nas vs Eminem
It's Nas. End of discussion.
When a lot of people talk basketball, the mentality shows itself all the time.
Name of the player > actual stats and results
All those memories of kobe doing the kings bad
Well at the same time J wills argument basically discredits every player from the era before the rule was put in place ? Also meaning the NBA 75 list would be put in even more speculation
About defense? I would play against zone any day over man to man. Jordan would destroy today's game. It wouldn't even be fair
if dub wasn’t here woulda been a goat lineup
When I seen a clip of dude say Kobe was 11th all time I immediately questioned his knowledge of the game. Then at the very beginning of the full video he says "I think Dwight Howard should've been top 75 but not at the expense of Dame Lillard. What has Anthony Davis done?"😂😂 So right away my theory is confirmed whoever that guy is knows nothing because Anthony Davis clearly has done more than dame Lillard my guy
Dame, Harden and Westbrook top 75 and Howard aint? Very sketcky. Howard did lead his team to the finals in 09 too.
you're a kid.
That guy has a LOT of knowledge about the history of the NBA, only people with no knowledge would have a problem with what he said.
For example, he listed off the 9 players in NBA history with multiple MVPs and multiple rings off the top of his head like nothing. Somebody like you has prob only seen 2 or 3 of those players play and prob only knows who 4 of those players are.
@@Milosenpotion I'm a grown fuking man. I've played ball at a high level you wanna compare basketball resumes?? Dame Lillard is not more accomplished than Dwight Howard or Anthony Davis PERIOD. I'm more knowledgeable than you and anyone else in this video. Jason Williams is one of those NBA players with low basketball IQ that's why he keeps saying stupid shit
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