Arkham Batman VS Insomniac Spider-Man | Who ACTUALLY wins?
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Hey guys Welcome back to the channel. And this week we will be discussing a matchup involving Arkham Batman and Ps4 Spider-Man with both of these ionic characters returning to the spotlight due to new entries This week I decided to look at the new stuff while re-examing older feats and scaling to see if this matchup is still the spite matchup people think it is or has it always been closer than you think? be sure to watch and find out! If you enjoy videos like this be sure to like share and subscribe and look forward to weekly videos!
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Only a few of us remembers when it was "test 2"
I chose not to click on it, I waited for the premier
Yeah I was confused
Yeah ay was there
Yup
I saw as test 2 I thought was hallucinating
Batgoat vs spiderhim
Brizz Wayne vs Rizzler Parker
man Arkham vs Spider
Man 🆚 man
@@Thehalfbrainedbean Man vs -Man*
@@TariqTheGuy Man vs -
Only the real OG's remember TEST 2
Yeah
What's that
Yep
I remember this as test 2. Also FINALLY someone remembered power scaling is not just numbers.
It really is though
It is when comparing feats but not if it's two characters because then that changes the debates for a good part
Wait, so we're going to just ignore all the gadgets Insomniac gave Spidey?
Those gadgets don't add to shit.
the gadgets tho advanced are just nothing basically in a fight
@@lordraiden7397😂😂😂😂😂
@@TariqTheGuygravitation matrix, fus ro dah, impact web, shock web, and stun grenades all can impact this fight
@@franciszekambrozy3000 Batman is really too fast for it to matter
Down playing Spider-Man this bad is insane
Not downplay
Definitely down play spider man speed blitz and shits on Batman lol
@@reggielacey2235 he completley skipped over so much info like all he does in the first game, tanking two lightning strikes from sandman, downplays his speed SO BAD, he goes into minimal detail on spideys feats so he can skip over them and downplay them. but goes into major detail to fake out how strong batman is
I’m surprised he never brought up insomniacs spider man comics When it came to his scaling which puts a relative to 616 and has A suit that’s a 50 times multiplier
Cause the comic events or at least the spidergedon apperences got retconned to a different timeline. Spider-Man 2 confirmed the connection to the Spiderverse films, which contracted the comic apperence.
@@jeremymorris345wasn’t he using retconned shii for batman too tho ? Batman is goated but yk u riding a lil too hard 😂
@sauceboy8655 I'm not riding anything. I do nessissarily fully agree with what he said. I also from what I can tell he was using canon stuff.
@@jeremymorris345 Yeah, same here. I just found it a little bit weird that’s all.
And here we go again:
Yes and Nick Diaz beat Robbie Lawler, who beat Melvin Manhoef, who beat Mark Hunt, who beat Stefan Struve, who beat Stipe Miocic, who is the greatest UFC heavyweight champion of all time. Other welterweights also approach Robbie Lawler because he can't shoot any of them and they can all give him a fight, meaning every 170-pound UFC fighter is relative to Lawler and is therefore capable of beating the 265-pound UFC GOAT fighter, right? Of course not.
There is no such thing as escalating towards something or someone for power.
You cannot be relative to something or someone without having directly compared it.
And what's more, Spiderman 616 was holding back too much with Insomniac because he didn't want to fight him and hurt him, he makes it quite clear in the comic, what if he also escalates to superior Spiderman, because he was relative to 616? ? Don't shit me, Superior Spiderman was defeated by Spiderman 616 in the events of Spider-Verse, and the Superior Spiderman that appears in Spider-Geddon is the cloned version which is much weaker than the Superior Spiderman with 616's body, which was defeated by the original Spiderman 616, which means Insomniac Spiderman only scales (barely) to a weaker version of the Superior Spiderman, so no, Insomniac doesn't scale to the comics.
I can’t wait to see the outcome of this. I can tell this video going to be very controversial based off the debates I’ve heard about these two characters.
Honestly the only controversy here is implying batman stands any semblance of a chance
@@DaichiOkami Which he does
@@hybridsofthorin Exactly,the other guy is a spidey fanboy!
@@DaichiOkamiCan argue Arkham Batman no diffs him.
He has higher wankable meta's and he straight up doesn't fight normally anymore. He gasses Spiderman with fear toxin in a random encounter and Spiderman succumbs to layered fear manipulation.
@@DaichiOkamiyou're kidding yourself if you think Batman can't give Spider-Man a run for his money
Spider-man is stronger, and faster and has a spider sense. He also uses his own gadgets. Thats not even including his black suit where his powers are amplified. Keep in mind spider-man dodged electricity which is way faster then anything Batman can do.
Not to mention Spiderman isn’t even trying for the most part (since he jokes around a lot).
Batman has better gadgets
Okay. Immediately I gotta call out something. How come there was no mention of Kraven and venom scaling.
Kraven was shown to blatantly Overpower and kill every single member of the sinnester six. Was proven superior to both Spider-Man in combat strategy and power.
Blitzing Spider-Man bypassing Spider sense. And even putting up a massive fight against both mile and even an enraged symbiote peter.
And later on venom basically easily soloes him moments after being born and not being as smart or powerfull yet.
Then venom goes to lift up an entire highschool that takes up a city block worth of land space alon with the ground below it without difficulty. Currupt a whole city. Wirh symbiote tendrils. Become far stronger and gain hella new abilities. Practically becoming a god. Who was shown to have the ability to eventually exoand over the whole planet.
And both peter and miles who are both respectively amped where able to fight and overpower him temporarily until they were defeated. Anti venom peter while holding back as to try to get harry to react rather than killing him can take venom on by himself despite benom being 10 feet tall and much stronger and faster than all of his enemies combined. And despite losing he gets up again and with his second win he manages to over power venom. Burn him off of harry with Harry's own help and kill venom.
There is hella opportunity there to do multiplyier upwards scaling that you simply ignored yet did with batman with more scuffed feats.
Not to mention your entire baseline argument for Batman's AP crumbles at the mere mention that Joker most likely didn't actually tank the explosion and rathe escaped somehow. Cause that's what he does. It's his thing. Faking his own death and escaping in the last second. It's pretty obvious to anyone watching that the movie never intended for us to assume the joker full on tanked an explosion no diff and survived it.
Not to mention that explosion was building level to large building level at most. City block is one hell of a wank for that tiny ass explosion that didn't even significantly affect any of the clearly close by buildings
The only chance batman has is the fear toxin stuff and that's assuming that the anti venom symbiote suit can't simply filter the gas out like any other iterations of symbiotes in marvel. Not to mention his super regeneration and the antivenom symbiote should heal and cure any illnesses or poisons/toxins in his body cause that's what the symbiote does.
So we're being hella generous to imply the fear gas would even affect him.
And if it did. Batman just doesn't have the AP to hurt Spider-Man. He'd straight up heal far before any lasting damage was done.
And to top things off everything peter does in game and combatwise is canon.
Well peter has a thing called symbiote surge which literally heals him and makes him Invulnerable to damage as well as multiplies his power and speed by a lot.
No enemy in the game can hurt him in surge mode. He takes zero damage. All they can do is stagger him but only the heavier more powerful opponents can because peter also gets Higher resistance against being staggered. Steaight up having little to no combo interruptions as nearly no attacks can even combo break him.
Which implies Spider-Man is so strong none of the enemies can hurt him when using the full power of the symbiote. Which includes symbiote brutes and symbiote goons who all scale to or above base peter.
You ignore Peter own gear and intelligence. Not even mention all the stuff he can create on the fly. His spider sense warning him of just about any move or trap batman sets up. And the fact that anti venom and Spider-Man have no weaknesses. There are no weaknesses to exploit. None that batman can. And bringing up prep time is honestly ridiculous based on how little Arkham batman ever shows any capacity to use it. Preptime is the end all beat all of batman fans and it's the ultimate scapegoat to win any argument. It's so ridiculous to use it because there's no plausible way to gage or measure preptime. But if you wanna play like that fine. He rarely to never uses preptime and doesn't have any feats supporting he'd be all that better off with it.
If anything he tends to rush in without a plan and make ideas on the go cause he is to impatient.
Peter on the other hand was able to make an armored suit with infinite gear ammo to perfectly counte and combat dock ock in less than 30 minutes. Made plans against the sinnester 6 and msrtin lee etc. He's shown way better prep time feats.
And I could get into the whole Debunking batman speed feats by simply stating the obvious of there's no way to support batman bring more than hypersonic just by dodging bullets. And cateoman scaling would only bring him up to massively hypersonic at best. When logistically speaking there's barely any proof of him dodging pure electricity. Just lightning. Unlike spiderman who blitzes electro who is blatantly stated to have electricity based attacks. They are pure electricity. His attacks are. But his goal is to rid himself of a human body snd become pure energy.
And the superman scaling is hella dubious at best. Bacause it clearly relies on him flying straight into the sun and back which based on the angle he flies at alone you can tell he isn't going directly towards the sun and likely is just going to the stratosphere or slightly above that were the atmosphere doesn't block the sun's radiation.
And you yourself stated that batman scaling to superman was inconsistent and very likely not accurate and showed how much it was disproved. With the statement of batman taking on superman most obviously meaning and referring to the usual situation of batman having a bat armor with kryptonite to fight superman + some big grandiose plan he had cooking up for years.
And judging by the fact you're tsking the kill the justice leage game as canon and claim Batman's suit and him to be bullet proof just for him to go an get killed by a bullet to the helmet kinda contradicts your argument if you wanna stick with that game's Inconsistent bullshit retcon lore and feats.
Man you usually cook with your videos but this is just not it.
its not that serious bud make a video on it
Damn bro I ain’t reading all that but I agree with you.
you are speaking fact's
Fax Batman is overrated
U cooked with this comment.
I feel like this is biased a bit. I think Peter would win even without bloodlusted.
A bit biased yeah.
They all do that just so he woukd get the upper hand
It was biased but Batman would win
Batman was able to survive arkham city while being infected with joker blood which would kill him in 5-8 hours.
Spiderman is Physical stronger but Almost 40%-50% of batman villains are physically stronger than the batman.
The only problem batman will face is spidersense, if you remove spidersense Spiderman will get beaten like the croc in batman origins.
Spidersense is a problem but it can easily be solved by sonic batrang and explosive
@@RugaGGGspider man is way faster and more durable
There is literally a scene where Spider-Man lifts a train, if this was an all out brawl Bats is going to be splattered.
Agreed
yeah yeah lifts a train, then he can't even counter silver sable and can't save even save a few people without his LGBTQ+ BBQ BLACK spider Miles disMorales because of the propaganda stuff, with all of his spider abilities, gadgets, 4 arms, can't even save 5 PEOPLE in the second game, yeah man, insomniacs spider man is stronger than arkham's catwoman
Just something that I think it’s worth noting:
Batman’s newest disruptor was able to cancel out the powers of king shark. In the Demigod’s own words “Batman has zapped my strength”. So Arkham Batman’s tech is so advanced at this point that he can literally disrupt superpowers for a brief period of time. Not just that but the powers of a demigod.
Don’t give me wrong I love Spider-Man, but how is he going to combat that? The moment Batman turns on that gadget, Peter’s super strength, super reflexes, and Spider-Sense will be disabled. Sure, Peter is still incredibly smart and a well trained hand-to-hand combatant, tell me with a straight face that he is a better fighter than Batman based purely on skill?
That's if Spiderman doesn't blitz him .
@@user-lp8im7ow8sSpider-Man CANT blitz him. Arkham batman is blatantly faster
@@user-lp8im7ow8s Batman is relatively close in speed and reaction time
Question: does disrupter work on anyone or does it have to be keyed to a specific character? If it needs to be tagged to a specific character then it's a no go. Also fear gas may make spidey hallucinate but will it affect his spider sense? Spidey has used it as his sole sense before. I'd give it to spidey
@@Joseph928100bruh it’s Batman. He’s not gonna have a power disrupter tagged to just one specific person. That’d be a foolish thing for Batman of all people to do.
It depends on how serious Peter is being.
Take Daredevil a street level hero. Even highly weakened Peter easily tosses him around.
I'd say Batman is peak human (so not Captian America) level.
And keep in mind Peter faces people even stronger than himself all the time.
So for Batman to get a win Peter would really have to be messing around.
But that's just my knowledge from comics. I don't think the games stray to far. Heck if anything they upscale Batman and undersell Spidy.
comics wise peter negs, though I'd have to highly disagree with you on batman being at peak human level. Catching reverse flash off guard alone makes him superhuman. Batman one-handedly and effortlessly lifting grundy who's above 500 lbs also makes him superhuman aswell, but that's just my op.
@dal6059 I think he just psyched Reverse Flash out. And RF was heavily handicapped from what I remember.
It's not difficult to his someone if you pin them which is what Bruce did.
Spidey has much more casual speed feats.
Even if I'm willing to really just wank Bats and say he's Captian America level I'm pretty sure Peter could wash him if he even tried.
@@KrazyStargazer not trying to argue that final take mate, I just felt like you got it wrong in scaling batman physically. I'd say he's above the cap or black panther but I don't know much of those two. He's surely below peter though, and the scenarios in which batman wins in a 1v1 are pretty limited compared to all of peter's advantages over bruce.
@dal6059 Yea...no. Cap and Black Panter are super human.
Let me put it this way. There basically stronger than Bane... like casually, and effortless more agile.
Tbh I don't think Bats even clears them unless he did some recon and even then they'd be tough.
Spidey could likely beat Black Panter and Cap pretty casually if he wanted.
Because his enemies like Venom, Carnage, etc...are just that monstrous.
Not saying it's impossible. Anything can happen in comics. Squirrel Girl can beat Thanos for crying out loud.
But if Spidey and Bats were to meet randomly Spidey would solo pretty easily. Heck even with preptime it wouldn't be easy.
Of course theirs a very easy weakness Bruce could employ...Bug Spray (I'm serious)
But in raw rist de cuffs? No it's not even a fair fight.
@@KrazyStargazer I’m not bringing that up but like I said, my knowledge about the marvel street tier is kinda bad. And idk why you mention bane since batman scales way higher.
Peter might win the match up, but there’s no way Batman is just peak human. The average bat family member is a peak human. That’s my point right here. At least the canon/earth 0 Batman is beyond peak human level (arguably high superhuman level) in just about every category and there are more that enough feats to back it up.
This guy’s acting like Spidey only uses 2% of his strength in a fight 💀 and leaving out so many spidey feats and calcs 😭
ong clearly this guys biased af i just know bro has 3 batman underwear on deck for any given day😭
U gotta be realistic, almost every hero will hold back, that's literally how batman beats superman everytime
You do know this is insomniac vs arkham right. Plus he kinda only spoke facts. Spidey would fight against Batman like he fought against Sable. Holding back cause thats what Peter always does. Plus insomniac peters feats don't matter that much sure yeah. But his biggest feat comes from a retconned comic. Plus Peter's gadgets or powers don't matter because of the disruptor. It not only destroys tech. But according to kind shark in kill the justice league it takes away his demi god powers. As sharko says "he zapped away my powers" so yeah.
@@MasterTemplar781 Spidey isn't fighting against batman like he did sable lol he could tell sable wasn't really a threat to him whereas he'll take batman more seriously and btw batman holds back too he's not fighting full force and by his biggest feat are you talking about him beating superior spider-man? when was that retconned (yes I know superior spider-man isn't as strong as regular spidey since he one tapped superior)
@@Benditto1231He’s not being biased the same could be said about Spiderman fans
OGs remember when this was called test 2
What Do You Mean
Yeah but give SPIDEY prep time, and he will cook up an anti-Bat suit
Spiderman does nothing with prep in his own game what are you on about😭
@@TariqTheGuy He makes "anti" suits and gadgets 🙃
@@Stofferex prob should of made an anti kraven suit then
@@TariqTheGuy eh he had the symbiote
@@Stofferex still before it he never even thought of making an anti kraven suit
idk ima have to disagree on some of your arguments. You argue that Bruce would be able to avoid him through his speed and attack him using then environment head-on, but you leave out the fact that Spider-Man has his senses which would allow him to react to Batman. Along with that, you kinda left out all of Peter's own tech. You mentioned that Peter's webbing would be able to subdue Bruce, but you don't mention any of the 13 gadgets that Peter has. (Both in Spiderman 1 and 2, and eight of which are web based). Just in the first game alone, there are 5 web-based gadgets.
Peter also has in-canon comic's too, where he ended up getting a suit that let him keep up with speedsters "Marvel's Spider-Man: Velocity", so I'm not really sure that Batman speed blitzes since Peter's suit should upscale his in-game feats.
Also I feel like giving any character prep-time is kinda unfair since you're giving that character outside help. Prep time allows for a character to have the knowledge of their opponents weaknesses, strengths, abilities, ect. If Batman gets prep time, shouldn't Peter? Prep-time is hard to find limits on too, so it could come across as a no-limits fallacy.
1)You do realise spidey sense isn’t an automatic reflex,it’s an warning meaning if someone faster than him attacks him,he won’t be able to react but would know about it.Also Batman has a way higher and better tech compared to the likes of Spidey,also Batman has a lot more useful and more gadgets like I mean majority of his fights are used by gadgets so yeah
2)Um you do realise this suit isn’t no where close to the speedstars in DC right? Like the Wally west and Barry Allen,those people blitzes the Spider-Man with velocity suit,the velocity suit is pretty fast but not fast enough for Batman to handle! Also,it’s I think Uncanon anyways
3)Do you even know what’s outside help means? Outside help literally means brining along other people to help yk like harly and her rest of her teammates,that’s outside help! Brining on knowledge and info about a certain character isn’t outside help but rather “cheating”.Oh Yh another thing is that um Batman main form of weapon is prep time so if you take that out of the way,Your the one bringing unfair advantage onto Batman plus tf peter gonna do with prep time? Batman battle IQ is far superior to likes of Peter meaning the prep time won’t do shit against Batman plus Batman prep time is not limited,Wdym!?
I am aware that the spidey sense in the insomniac games is more of a warning than a reflex, but his movement speed is more than enough to keep up with and avoid attacks from Bruce. Not to mention, in the Spiderman Velocity comics, peter moves so fast that his perception of time slows down. He perceives everything slower than him as completely frozen in time. Peter would most likely either be able to see Batman's attacks as they come, or blatantly see them coming from miles away.
The variety of gadgets from Bruce is impressive, but it it wont matter much if Batman is webbed up. As the video above literally states, it's strong enough to restrain characters far stronger than Batman.
The velocity suit is canon, and Batman is nowhere near as fast as the flash in the suicide squad game. Obviously if Peter fought Wally or Barry he’d get blitzed. But it should naturally upscale his speed, so i highly doubt batman would blitz.
Bringing in knowledge of a combatant before the fight is the definition of outside help. Outside help doesn't just mean the character can call up another person to help them fight, it means any sort of prep or planning or external advantages that they would have before the fight. You have to remember that until the fight, these two characters have never met before, we are debating a first encounter fight. So Batman possessing any knowledge of Peter before the fight would LITERALLY BE OUTSIDE HELP.
You act like Peter hasn't made specific weapons or suits just to beat a single person when he's had time to prepare. Preptime is not a Batman specific thing, ANYONE can have preptime.
Batman's main weapon is not preptime. That is just what the VS community thinks it is. In most media with batman, he beats his opponents with his ingenuity. I do agree that Bruce's battle IQ is higher than Peter's, but Peter has a decent battle IQ as well. Batman's only real advantage is his ability to adapt to his opponents not his strength or speed.
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@@asiopro6384u bring up canon when dude in the video uses non canon Arkham movies for batman😭 ur argument is soo sloppy lil bro, time for you to hop off Batman’s meat buddy😭
@@sauceboy8655 …….
What have I just ready! The amount of mistakes and errors in this comment is immeasurable
Not to mention that in a side mission from the first Spider-Man, Peter was dodging LITERAL LIGHTNING when doing research for Harry’s stations pretty casually. And while holding back, he was still able to pretty much low diff Taskmaster.. someone who knew ALL OF HIS MOVES after studying him. Even Taskmaster knew this as he literally says “you’re still holding back”, and Peter replies with “I’m not trying to kill you” while beating him down pretty easily depending on the player but he showed no signs of fatigue after beating him so.. Peter WHILE HOLDING BACK was able to low diff someone who studied him and knew all his moves. Spider-Man bullied him TWICE while HOLDING BACK.. and Taskmaster claimed he has gone “toe to toe” with the Avengers before. Spider-Man is stronger than every main Avenger aside from Thor and Hulk. And I guess Iron Man if Tony isn’t wearing any suit past the Mark 45. Batman just isn’t winning this no matter how much highballing we do for him.. I mean, Batman thrives in the shadows. Spider-Man would sense Bruce before he even made a move. And Spider-Man would clean up Gotham in a single night too, let’s be real.. I could only see Spidey struggling with the riddler trophies if anything but that’s about it.
Saw that "test 2", hope those watching for the first time are interested by what you've found
What’s that
As many other comments have pointed out, the Peter downplay is insane while Batman is highballed based on feats that dont even apply and are inconsistent.
Man I appreciate you trying to put some respect on Batman's name. But the way you make your videos you like to highball characters to the point of wanking. And if you're by any means fair you'd have to do that with Insomniac Spider-Man which would hella unbalanced this match up again.
Wanked Spider-Man vs Wanked batman. Is an even bigger stomp
He wanked Spider-Man as well mate 😂😂, the only probably reason it sounds wanked because of the new game being powerful asf! Stop being bias and cope that Batman overall wins!
@@asiopro6384you very clearly have a very special ability to troll people without them realizing it and I respect it at least I hope you're trolling because I've seen you argue with this guy multiple times and fair to assume the person you're replying to right now won the argument.
@@Automaton237 I have no idea what you even said but you Mr Joe Biden has spoken the language of cap,not the first time you said it
@@asiopro6384 I said you have a special ability to troll people without them knowing. And something about how I hope your trolling and some other stuff that isn't important.
@@Automaton237 I don't have a special ability to troll people but rather the factual vocabulary to engage and win in arguments so yeah
Batman: I DON'T WEAR HOKCEY PANTS
I mean they both got disgustingly disrespected in their most recent games. But y'know, Batman has the edge in being disrespected. It's no contest.
What happened with Peter? Are you referring to him not being spider-man for some time?
@@wolfcharlie3771nah he died remember, by a knife, like the size of a kitchen knife, and he almost drowned in sand in the sandman bossfight
@@funtimediaz7435 Spider-man fans when peter dies from being stabed by a weapon made to kill superhumans, in the liver (he was nerfed)😱😡😡😱😡😡😱
Awesome content bro 👍
Never let bro cook again
You already know
@@Goji-C nah dont listen to the haters keep cooking brodie
Is there a lore reason to why he shouldn't cook again? Is he stupid?
@@cyz2671it's not that he's stupid, he just massively downplayed insomniac spider man while taking so many of batman's feats out of context like what most Arkham fan boys do.
@@videogamelnandcomicbooksca7474 first of all it was a joke Second of all downplay? Anyone that scales insomniac above city level is being respectful
Amazing video!
the joker feat of him tanking an explosion is at max building level dude
I do think Spidey wins, As far from calcs I see, Batman is around large building+, idk if he goes higher since I don't play the games but I have scaled Spidey at city block+ with massivly hypersonic speed at quora, just type scaling Isonmiac Spider-man from Mr D knight
Honestly Arkham batman only scales to building level+ anything higher is being hella generous.
@@DaichiOkamiYeah fr😅
The video was good but the Joker wank is weirdly inconsistent and probably an outlier, Joker is just a regular fodder human.@@DaichiOkami
@@DaichiOkamihonestly no he doesn’t scale to buliding level lmao,he scales to city or country level max with speed with Massively FTL+
@@DaichiOkamiSaying he’s only at that level is disingenuous.
Problem is the tie in comics for the arkham games are straight up not canon since there's multiple inconsistencies like bane being killed by Jason yet in the games he's getting clean of venom
Bane is dead by Arkham knight
he prob was killed anyways by jason
@@user-lp8im7ow8sno he isnt. In arkham knight he went back to become a better man. Did you not play arkham knight?
Its funny how in powerscaling the character view about his own powers is ignored completely just for pure wank
This channel just got my subscription
I'm guessing everyone forgot when in the comics Insomniac Spider-Man literally turns into an actual speedster who becomes too fast for the Naked Eye💀💀💀
and then he can't even counter SILVER SABLE, yeah man we got u
W vid broski 🔥🔥🔥
Let me ask something. If Peter is strong enough to destroy multiple cities and Otto overpowered him with his claws, does that means Otto could have easily destroyed New York like it was nothing.?
Maybe before going to vs wiki you should check if what you’re writing down actually makes sense
Peter can't destroy a City. There is a difference between attack potency and destructive capability. Just because it is possible to scale Peter to City level, doesn't mean he has the capability to destroy the City.
@@djb9267 They literally mean the same thing. Ok let’s see Peter has never shown to generate the force to destroy a city nor can he survive an attack that would. So sorry but what you’re saying genuinely bullshit. Even the joke of a website known as VS wiki agrees with me
@@trollfack2966 Dipshit a guy can punch a guy who can generate energy equal to a nuke without having some big ki blast attack.
@trollfack2966 look at it this way, destructive capability is the area of your attack, and my area of attack is a fist
A man then survives a nuke with no damage to himself whats so ever
I then punch that guy and he took damage, he's bleeding and on the floor in pain
Does that mean I can destroy a city in one punch?
No cause I don't have the area of affect to do so
But doesn that mean I'm weaker than the bomb that destroyed the city?
No, it just means I have the attack potency of someone who can take hits from nukes its just I can't punch the same area as a nuke
Do you get what the difference is?
Its basically just the aoe of your strikes rather than the strength of it
@@trollfack2966 If it’s a joke of a website why are you using it has evidence.
Ahh a fellow Godzilla and comics fan, great video!
Nice assessment as always! My man
Disagree with you on that speed with suicide squad the team never actually reacted to superman that was just gameplay elements that's like also saying they scale to flash because you have to fight him in a gameplay way
Yall remember when Test 2 came out? That was so good
Hey Gojo may you please send the calc's you used for the spider-man section like miles feat and electro's and rhino's ap
Can you do a Mace Windu canon scaling video next?
Y’all forgetting that Batman got packed up by the suicide squad so you let that sink in real quick
He oneshoted all of them in the beginning lol
@@shaunbryantjr2355 yeah then later died it don’t matter what happened in the beginning he still got packed up by low difficult villains
@@jasongranillo2692 so your ignoring previous feats? Plus batman was holding back beacuse brainciac wanted the squad alive
Plot armor, or being controlled by brainiac made him weaker. He has and can beat Harley Quinn in one counter.
@@jasongranillo2692 easy rebuttal, he was mind controlled and Brainiac’s mind control couldn’t bring out Batman’s true potential
Batman certainly doesnt take speed
Peter takes
Strength,speed,dura,endurance,agility, tech,iq and hax
Tech would go to batman but everything else yea
@@vivid_dreamsedits I mean batman never made a speedster velocity suit and anti gravity webs or tech
Would you made a overwatch power scalling against batman or other characters? Just For fun
Quick reminder, Spider Man canonicly created a literal speedster suit in the insomniac verse. Prep time is on his side this time, check mate, Batman.
People forget Batman holds back to. This is shown when Joker takes control of his body and the militia wanted no smoke after joker possessed Batman hit them.
He’s still no match for spider-man.
@@stadic5311 debatable because of Batman’s combat speed and tech
@@codbfhalo98653 batman can’t move faster then electros electricity if he can then he obviously is more then “peak” human 😂. Not to mention insomniacs spider-man has his own tech as well.
@@stadic5311 Batman’s tech is another level. It’s not even close.And Batman is described as peak human, but he should be classified as a meta human because his strength, speed and intellect by far surpass the best humans. There’s definitely a case for Spider-Man when he has the symbiote, but then again, it comes with weaknesses. Batman also has the Batwing which is like Mach 13.
@@codbfhalo98653 spider is still stronger. Not to mention he wouldn’t even know the black suit’s weakness’s. Bat man would only win this fight with preparation
I mean I agree, but honestly, both of these scales have issues based on just how the authors can't decide what they want their character to scale to. Regardless there are ways for both of them to win, 🤷♂️
This is gonna be interesting
I'm not sure if you take requests but I'm wondering if you would make a Gamera comparison. Like all the Gamera kaiju from the different eras and comparing which era had the strongest kaiju.
Ehm.. spider sense... anybody?
As as for his mental strenght... mr negative??? Scorpions venom?
1. Spidersense is either inconsistent or is able to be blizts
2. Mr Negative and Sorpions vemon are really nothing compared to fear toxin
@@TariqTheGuy 1 yet it is show to have him dodge lightning, bullets and many more...
Only one of them uses bulletproof armor...
2 source needed ( no really I want a source for that... Also just saying it's inconsistent doesn't mean Batman will always blitz him... It's like saying( in the comics ) Bane broke Batman so he can be broken by anyone...
@@obiwanshinobi87 Yes true but it's not like batman can't do it as well spidersense is prob the reason he gets speed
Arkham asylum and city he didn't
True but doesn't change the fact it's inconsistent at times
Rhino broke Spiderman as well
@@TariqTheGuy yes... and he also took rhino and scorpion at the same time.... let's be honest here he lost due to writing so Miles could shine... He also didn't break spidey... he just defeated him... Spidey was up and running literally a few minutes later.. either way none of this show Batman would just blitz him... like I said.. there is a reason he doesn't use bullet proof armor 😉
Also one thing.. like Superman Spiderman always holds back... He could literally one shot most of his villains
If Batman has his plot armor he wins.
If he has no plot armor Spider-Man will blast his ass open in seconds.
You don't know who arkham batman is then it's not plot armor in this fight at all its Spiderman trying to survive
@@dirtyhairy4495Least biased/Smartest Batman Fan:
Spider-Man wins with low difficulty.
@@LiterallySpikeSpiegel lmao batman could've crippled kraven the first fight no competition any other batman would lost to this Spiderman or any other yea not arkham knight batman he fights meta humans daily and comes out on top every time lil bro
@@LiterallySpikeSpiegel spidey can't even counter silver sable wdym :Ddd
the same batman who got killed by harley quinn with one bullet xdd
Anti Venom and Venom Spider-Man are immune to all diseases and has insane healing factor as he already has a healing factor in base and also Anti Venom symbiote would be immune to the fear toxin
never let bro cook again, the suicide squad movie has been retconned with the release of suicide squad kill the franchise 😂😂
Spidermn absokutely dogshits neg-no diff at best, mid diff in character
Silver sable obliterates feeble spidey in the first game, poor Peter can't even do shit againts SILVER SABLE Awhawahwha
@@hedonist9249 when he learns one of the most basic facts about spiderman (he always holds back 90% of his fucking power):
@@SpiderDroider What you're gonna say about that he can't even save a few people without his LGBTQ+ BBQ BLACK spider Miles disMorales friend because of the propaganda stuff, with all of his spider abilities, gadgets, 4 arms, can't even save 5 PEOPLE in the second game when they're barely falling off the boat? He's holding back to NOT save people? Bhawahah
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Spiderman was nerfed in Spider Woke 2 so that Manly Jaw Watson and Milezzzzz Moralezzz could shine
The REAL Peter Parker aka. The one from 2018 would drop Batman in a second
@@SpiderDroider oh yeah bro, double standarts, you guys start to shit on batman that he died from harley in SSKTJL but then y'all excuse peter in spider man 2 that he was nerfed, yeah yeah, just admit that the only winner here is the plot armor and these battles are useless :)
Unless Peter is shown collecting 400 FUCKING TROPHIES IN A SINGLE GODDAMN NIGHT, I’m a batman stan💪💪😭
Two words: Velocity suit
@@zage932not even canon😂😂
yoo peak vid, im really into Arkham Batman. though his AP and Dura seems to be a lil ratty
Nice Video!
Can you make a Video where Spiderman faces the Arkham Games and Batman the Spiderman Games?
Idk why you guys keep saying the fear toxin would be an issue for peter when the TRAILER for the game has him fighting his rogues after overcoming Mister Negatives ability that beings your emotions out
Mr Negative is about base fear toxin in Arkham asylum or the amped version in Arkham Asylum but even then that's a high ball and in Arkham knight the fear toxin is above both
And Scorpion is prob just a bit above mad hatter
@@TariqTheGuythe type of fear toxin doesn't even matter since anti-venom flushes it out of Pete's system.
its rlly not but ok
Hey goji I have a very simple but also possibly dumb question depends how you take it
I see a good amount of people say Spider-Man is nowhere near large town or even building level since he always get hurt by bullets and always get tagged by slow attack
So I was wondering what is your response to that?
I love you videos keep up the work 😎👍
The winner is whoever the player is playing as. Because remember that Batman is human, and yet he canonically took out more than 30 guys at once. And if you’re playing challenge maps, he can go up to a 1000 depending on player skill. So regarding the two, their feats are potentially infinite according to the players skills.
From now on, any time I’m having this argument with someone, I’ll just send them this video..
I think another argument for Arkham Batman having a stronger will than insomniac Peter, is that Peter was literally unable to resist the symbiote’s effects at all. Miles had to beat it out of him, and later on we see MJ successfully fight off the corruption later on in a matter of minutes, while Peter had his suit for days and still needed to be saved by Miles.
Batman was able to resist the Titan formula with his will.
The longer you have the symbiote on, the more it connects with your desires. It would be much harder to get rid of.
Batman wouldn't be able to either it attaches to your Ambitions so longer you wear it the harder it is to take off and he was using it for a very long time so if Batman would they get ahold of it he would definitely get addicted to it and struggle to take it off just like Peter Parker.
@@Automaton237 Nah, if they were being written in character both would resist and take it off. But I guess I’m thinking more about the comic book versions than the game versions, which seem to be much weaker in pretty much every way that matters.
Someone finally speaking the truth and not lowballing the crap out of bats
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He literally did with Peter and he high ball Bruce
@@coreywilson7326 this guy kinda always high balls and still both were high balled
@@Goober12345 he high ball batman not peter he note so downplay peter then High ball him
@Goji-C Can you please do a video powerscaling batduck from tiny toons?
For your next vid can you do “Billy Loomis and Stu Macher VS Micheal Myers”
At the end of the day, they’re both Deku victims
Spiderman mops deku and you could argue Batmans experience would give him a W over deku as well
@@rob6912nah
Against Insomniac Spider-man.
Realistically Spider-Man 1 shots him if we use ps4 Spider-Man’s comic appearance he scales to 616 Spider-Man but even if we ignore that the joker blast literally did not thing to the building right next to him How is it city block ? And joker most likely didn’t even tank it but simply escaped , if we add in tech insomniac wins again he literally has a suit which makes him massively ftl and even without any of this he simply has far better feats especially including the symbiote it’s a stomp, and throwing out outliers and using dumb scaling like suggesting Batman or the suicide squad is as fast as superman😂 Batman canonically doesn’t scale to these gameplay mechanics plus he is brainiac boosted
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The glaze
uncannon ahh comic
@@TariqTheGuy The comic is just as canon as the arkham movie.
@@TariqTheGuyhow is it uncanon?
Before there was HIM, there was BATMAN.
Suicide Squad and tLoU 2 killed me on the inside
Batman without prep loses and Insomniac Spider-Man is just too much for him if it's a random encounter. Plus, if they both have prep time, then it becomes a bit more fair, but the results stay the same. Spider-Man wins
Bro watched the video on mute
@@rob6912 Batman fans are so silly, they actually think his plot armor counts as legitimate feats
@@shriderrad4123 in character Batmans experience gets Spidey. It's not all about feats, an in character actual fun debate Batman is winning. Literally watch the video, in character batman>Spiderman, blood lusted Batman
@@rob6912not even the guy basically downplayed Spider-Man Batman at best building Spider-Man without trying scales way higher
@@rob6912 Experience only gets a character so far but it doesn't amount to much especially when that character's opponent is far stronger, far faster, far durable, and actually has decent logic in order to back up said feats. Realistically Spider-Man literally just stomps Batman neg diff to low diff, this "In character" Batman or what I call "Plot armor" Batman only wins if the story or situation allows him to win. Otherwise Batman's scaling literally makes no sense if you actually sit and think about it.
Saying Batman is ftl is a perfect example of why lits of powerscaling techniques specifically indirect comparison are stupid, Batman has never demonstrated ftl speed ever , literally never ever , and he has never consistently reacted to bullets , that’s just logically not true, Batman is weaker than bane, bane is fodder to Spider-Man , so I guess now random ninja goons are massively ftl since they can dodge batmans attacks, this is just obviously not what Arkham batman is intended or shown to be capable of it’s common sense
That's just how it is
Is like in the movie batman reacted to doomsday laser been and grapple away
Just because it doesn't make sense it doesn't mean he didn't do that feat
@@oidotsuc5165 the difference is he literally didnt do the feat in the game so your point is redundant
@@TRIXXYINFERNO if cat can do it why can't batman are u implying Catwoman is faster then batman
@@oidotsuc5165maybe
@@oidotsuc5165 outlier and yes catwoman has better reflexes than batman , plus spiderman literally fights a villain called electro and consistently does this casually, and even generously scaling batman to this
doesnt scale him To Superman in any way which is the scaling that is the issue, meaning spiderman is still faster even if you apply the catwoman statement to batman
Power scaling for superheroes is pointless. The writers don’t care about feats. They only care about telling good stories. That’s why Superman doesn’t just speed blitz all of his opponents. Soiderman is not written to be faster than light.
Finally a reasonable answer honestly
TIL Arkham Batman could box with First Transformation Anne from Amphibia
W scaling but i can't see batman blitzing a peter holding back just because of spider sense But amma use this when i see someone downplaying both of them
No it's not if I'm right he uses non-canon material to help Batman and also gives him prep time but doesn't give prep time to Peter Parker even though Peter Parker is also very intelligent and also for some reason says he can speed Blitz Peter even though he's still human and doesn't have any Supernatural strength and overpowered spidey sense and very strong gadgets and also his white symbiote suit plus prep time to make it fair.
Test 2 is iconic
I know you're using mostly the games but what about Spider-Man's Velocity suit from the first game and the tie in comic, Spider-Man Velocity. When using the suit, everything is slow to him even a light, though that part's dubious considering how the panel is drawn and written. That's just for his travel speed with reaction speed and Spider-Sense scaling off it. It could help close the edge in the speed department so he doesn't get blitzed immediately even if he's many, many times stronger than Bats.
Do youu think that the Anti-Venom suit could detoxify him of the fear gas as symbioties naturally give healing factors superior to Spiderman's. Dubious, I know but it's a thought.
Anyways, great vid and nice Batman analysis. People can say it's glazing but I do agree with it.
Its not even close, ive done this before Spiderman slams
Good video, surprised by what ya found.
You saw the Leak? Definitely a mb on my part but hope you can be at the premiere today still
Lmao I saw it as well@@Goji-C
Was wondering why it was called test 2
Who made the joker helicopter explosion calc?
A Batman fan probably
Yo Goji-Chronic Please Do Guts Vs The Seven from the Boys!
Spider man wins bro 😂
Batman Forever!!!!! The truth must be revealed!!!!!
Spiderman bout to cook this Harley Quinn level bum
You're gonna be hella disappointed when the truth comes out the way you're meat riding batman
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@@Themysteriesman6695 bro didn't mention antivenom or spidermans tech that was bad scaling lmao
@@zayy4440 and yet you refuse to debunk it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀🤡
Is it just me or Marvel AU vs DC AU matchups end with the same conclusion!
hey goji just saying when batman got a suit upgrade he got a 3.75 to 5x upgrade to his strenght as 7.5 divided by 2 = 3.75 just saying. edit im a big fan and also if im wrong its probably some confusing thing i dont know so you can tell if im wrong and finally im am a really big fan and i think you can get to 100k bro thanks for making my day ☺ ☺
Arkham batman can literally take all the pressure while spiderman was stressing with a place to live, fighting multiple villains, and saving people
W scaling although you left out the biggest scaling for insomniac spider man is through inverse scaling he has with 616 spider man
Gamers: "YOU BASTURDS, YOU CREATED THIS GOD-AWFUL GAME AND KILLED ARKHAM BATMAN!"
Rocksteady: "..."
Gamers: "SAY SOMETHING!"
Rocksteady: "How could we kill Batman... *if you're the one holding the controller?*
Gamers: N-no, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
W video arkham batman is underrated in terms of power. Also batman could maybe disable his web-shooting with the disrupted and disable his powers as he did that with king shark. With an in character battle batman is winning high diff. Also no matter what spiderman fans are coming for your head
People really bringing up the "Insomniac is as strong as 616" when 616 casually shrugged off Insomniac's attacks while weakened.
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Thank you for enduring Suicide Squad so we don’t have to.
Mf said a “Human” is faster than the speed of light 💀
'Test 2'? Was that a try run?
I love Arkham Batman but he gets stomped by Insomniac Spiderman
This is a poor downplay of spiderman. His spider sense is omnipresence detection, if he’s in battle with God, he’d be able to detect him. 💀
Finalllyyyyyyuu
I like the video
I mean, Peter is Smarter, Stronger, Faster, More agile and has a Danger detection power with enhanced senses like vison and hearing and an insane reaction speed, the only thing hes lacking is the money, he even has a ton of gadgets at all times, a built in 3d printer in his suit that can make things on the fly for him and a ton of High tech suits with some of them msking him way more powerful, like the iron Spider armor and like 5 other armors, the Velocity suit granting him much more speed and even the Anti venom suit (that can also boost the power of his other suits like velocity and iron Spider)
Why is everyone in these comments forgetting that if Spider-man has prep time, Batman could quite possibly also be killed? Peter has proven that if he has prep time, he can make a suit or gadget to handle whomever he’s fighting. My best example, the anti ock suit. If Peter knows who he is fighting, then he can and will come up with a way to handle the situation
I haven’t seen all the video yet but all I will say right now is that batter be a clone of Batman that was brainwashed then the death won’t bug to much