Draft Horses : My Trailer Problem With Draft Horses
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- čas přidán 17. 12. 2020
- Today@WorkingHorsesWithJim, I talk about the troubles I am having with Lady in the trailer. I also get a load of oats.
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I can appreciate the care and concern you take of your animals, speaks volumes about you and your commitment to the teams.
Thanks
The amount of care and jim takes
Living is a farm is a great pleasure .. but boy it is hard work !!!... i grew up in farm and I wont change it for anything else ...but we did work hard every day .. god bless all the farm people !!
Thanks, and thanks for watching! It is a good way of life.
Check ladys eye Jim. If her neck isn’t sore n she turns left when hitched. I’d think it’s something ailing her not resistance per say , just a thought ? Solid team of horses , always impressive seeing them side by side working 👌
Seems you didn't get the snow that the Weather Channel showed for most of your state. I am grateful to you sharing your activities with us and I can appreciate the extra work it causes: One sees the horses leaving from the site, arriving at the landing etc, which means somebody must have put the camera/ the cameras at different places. Since I assume Brenda is not around all the time as she is a nurse, if I recall correctly, you must be doing a lot of extra walking to set everything up. Thank you!
This is Brenda, yes he does do a lot of work himself. Especially lately, he has been moving the camera all over and getting most of this footage himself to get all the different angles. And yes, it is a lot of work. But he does seem to enjoy it. Thank you for watching and for your support!
I HOPE EVERYTHING TURNS OUT ALLRIGHT FOR LADY
Thanks!
She doesn’t seem to be limping. Maybe that lady vet would have at idea. Stiffness could indicate a spine issue. Good luck with her. Let us know what you find. Thank you for sharing.🐴🐴😷👍
I sure admire the way you look after those horses Jim.
Thank you
I used to do a little horse training (quarter horses) and a little patience goes a long way,huh? They, to me,are just like children. Love the way you handle yours.
Thanks, yes they are a lot like children
Couldn't see a thing wrong in your video. Lovely Horses. Have to save that trailer for your cattle and get a much larger one for those big beautiful draft. Keep up the good work. Wyoming Jim
Great suggestion… Maybe someday! Thanks for watching!
I just found your channel and loved it. Am subscribing so I can watch more of your horses working! I love draft horses. I was always around quarter horses, but I love big Belgians. They're like gentle giants. I hope the issue with Lady turning improves and nothing is seriously wrong. Read all the comments for possible problems. Since you're the one around them and working them, you will find out the problem without all of CZcams trying to figure it out for you!😉 They sure are a pretty team!
Thanks and welcome aboard
I like what you guys use your freezer (if it is a old freezer) for, I might just have to tell my grandpa about this!!!!!
Works good!
She relaxed with repetition so if it do to soreness it might lessen with being worked. I would suggest alternating anyway which way you bring her out she may have some soreness from injury or arthritis. I prefer backing my guys out of my trailer since allowing them to turn “winds them up a bit”. You have a hames issue with that solution so could you harness them at the site which I understand is probably more work since you have to put the harness in the trailer before you leave. Alternatively can you shorten your hames? As long as you don’t hitch 2 and 2 in a 4 up you don’t need the top ring on the hames and can drop them 2 inches. Some European styles of hames don’t have the upper ball but I don’t know if they could be substituted into your harness and new hames are expensive. I wish I could train my all guys to stand that quietly when hitched! Nice team.
Thanks for another awesome video. Love how patient you are with your horses.
Thanks
It's very interesting to see how the other half live and work
Gorgeous animals! Thanks Jim!
Best videos ive ever watched Jim!!very interesting.
Oh this is fun I never saw this before thank you very much mama
Congratulations on making it to 10,000 subscribers! Well deserved!
Thank you very much!
I’m impressed by your horses. You do treat them with great care and respect. Thank you for sharing and have a happy holidays
Thank you, and Merry Christmas to you and yours
Wisdom,knowledge and understanding with Joy,,,as in Ecc.2:26 shows in your face mr.jim...contentment of a win win,,,good man
That's ok, it's not for everyone!
That is a great idea for mouse proof feed storage.👍
Yes it works good! Just wish I could fit more in there.
Jim barely squeezed through those horses. 😆
What I'm wondering is, may she have some inflammation going on along her right side and the added stretching causing her discomfort, or maybe needing a chiropractic adjustment? Good looking horses.
get her , and him regular chiropractic work!!!! they need it for the work your having them do!
Thanks Jim, for another great video. MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and your family from Nova Scotia, Canada.
And merry Christmas to you from New York!
👍getting caught up on videos this morning. I find i do things a certain way (park vehicles, equipment, load trucks, etc.) do to previous life experiences. If I stick to the routine things tend to go smooth. Changing the routine tends to put a wrench in the works that sometimes seems to open the flood gates and results in "one of them days". Glad to see she's turning left. Merry Christmas 🎄
You’re right! Merry Christmas, and thanks for watching!
Hopefully its just a neck sprain. Her neck seems soft and pliable when she turns to the right, but she seems to compensate with footwork to avoid flexing her neck when she turns to the left. Like others have said, it could be vision, but that seems less likely. Maybe some Absorbene Jr. and a couple days rest will help?
Yes rest heals a lot of things, she’s getting some rest right now
REST is good for ALL of us, Jim !! As you probably know !!
Been thinking of Lady and my thought of her left hind leg. I bet you she pulled a muscle in her ankle, watching the way she turns lot of pressure on it!!!!
I would check Lady's visual response in her left eye. Her sight might have changed causing the nervousness.
My thoughts were similar, that it was either she felt her left eyesight was vulnerable or she had scratched her left eye.
I'm just a city boy but I wonder if the guys are on to something
I’ll check
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim I thought the same thing check the eyes my cuz had a pony that you chad to come from the left so you didn't spook him. If he was down wind from you he wouldn't spook either if he knew you
She might be having a physical issue like a neck, shoulder muscle strain, or it could be her vision on that side might be blurry or altered from an unknown issue. Even a slightly bruised frog can cause horses to avoid that leg.
As a hobby photographer, I appreciate your concern for different camera angles. 👍
Draft horses are the favorite subject for this Belgian. You got yourself a new subscriber.
Thanks for sharing!Thanks for sharing, welcome aboard!
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim My pleasure!
I got proof too: josvanhengel.be/Belgiumdigital/BDTrekpaard-3.JPG and josvanhengel.be/Belgiumdigital/bd-alken-oogst-2012.jpg and josvanhengel.be/Belgiumdigital/bd-steenhuffel-2012.JPG 😉
Wonderful, just Beautiful.
Thank You Jim
Beautiful horses nice kind careful man💚💚💚💚
Thank you
Merry Christmas Jim and family.
I listening about Lady's behavior I began to wonder if she might be experiencing any hearing or sight loss on her left side? I could certainly be way off my rocker, but those were the first things that crossed my mind.
Thanks, Merry Christmas! It’s unlikely it’s an eye problem, because it started immediately and not overtime. I would assume an eye issue would gradually get worse. But I’ll check it out
Hi
Love the video Merry Christmas family ❤🎅🎄
Have you ever tried putting a minimum/maximum battery operated thermometer in your trailer on a cold day going down the road to see what it feels like to the horses? Since it is indoor/outdoor, you can monitor 2 sections of the trailer. You can also do a test with the horses together and apart. You might also caulk holes in the front of the trailer to minimize wind and also truck exhaust. Perhaps Lady is starting to go blind in that one eye. That would make her reluctant to turn in a direction she can't see. Hitched up, she may rely on Bill.
No I haven’t put a thermometer in there. Thanks for the vision suggestion but she seems to be the most watchful and more alert one of the two- always looking around in both directions
My horse has a leading side - like my shoer says they are naturally either right handed or left handed just like us. If you were to let her choose her own way out instead of leading her you would find her natural leading side. It could then just be that she is stuck. Also, using positive reinforcement such as a treat after she complies with your request to use her non-leading side could also compensate her enough to make a difference. Going over all your own moves might give you a clue as to what you did extra that soured her to that ask. Just a few things that came to mind. Good luck and hope the extra unloads you showed did the trick.
That was cute when Bill knocked over the camera
Agreed!
Hope it didn't cost anything for possible repairs...........?
Nice job. I would have stopped the Belgium just to the left at an angle there in the trailer and just let it stand there for a second or two to show the horse that there's nothing going to hurt it. Love your logging videos
Sounds like a good idea
I think those horses need more headroom
It’s possible harness, blanket, maybe even tail hair gets(got?) caught in the latch on that right side, where the slam gate ( middle divider)hooks open?
Glad you were able to work through the issues with Lady. I am sure it will be sleighing season soon. We have about a foot of snow here. How does that old freezer work for storing feed? How long have you been able to store feed that way? Thanks for sharing.
Yes, sounds like you got a lot of snow. We wish we would’ve got some of it. We just got a dusting. The freezer works great for storing oats, since we have some little critters around that like to chew holes in the bags!
I know you have solved this issue now but I only just came across this vid. It looks to me that she stiffens a bit so my guess is she is sore, the more you did it the better she got but also the more loosened up and warmed up. Pulling it is really easy to get sore muscles. We also cant assume it is the left side not wanting to bend, it may be the right side not wanting to expand. She is a big girl and it is tight in that trailer. Maybe in your next trailer a side unload would be good for the big horses. Just a thought
@Working Horses With Jim ... love watching you work your team, such a neat thing to see as it’s history that is slowly dwindling from the world. On a side note, where do you get your draft blankets?
Thank you! I get the blankets at Meaders located in New Hampshire. They have a lot of supplies for draft horses and have mail order
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim oh fantastic thanks for sharing! Love your big guys, such a pleasure to watch
If my truck needs more traction i put a few sand bags in the box, i never thought to load up with a draft horse or two...
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Good day I had a good laugh when you trying to get lady in trailer 3 time, how heavy are feed bags.. Up here either 55lbs or 80. Thanks
100 lb feed bags . Thanks for watching
Having watched her turning several times it would appear to me that she does not want to put direct upward weight onto her left hip which will take her full weight as she pivots on her left rear quarter.?
I hope Lady is not having a eye problem . Check her eye for cloudiness . At a minus 8 degrees I would carry a very large thermos of hot coffee as well.
Thanks, I sure do carry a thermos with hot coffee!
Noticed that Lady doesn’t cross her right front over her left when she’s turning but seems to try to shuffle her front feet. Could be a stiff right shoulder. Would be nice to see how she places her feet turning the other way.
Great channel. I’m a tree climber in SE Indiana, but my family is from NY. Dad grew up in Edwards near Trout lake in St Lawrence Co. which is 20 mins east of Gouverneur. HIS brothers kids live around Malone up on 11, which is pretty much as North as you can go. Where abouts are you if you don’t mind sharing that is? My uncle Doug had horses in that area. If you were close maybe you knew him.
We live in Moira, about 20 minutes from Malone. Can’t recall knowing any Doug with horses... Thanks for watching!
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim oh wow Close then!
If Lady is doing. all turns differantly. She may have a vision issue. Lighting / flash issue when turning the way she was trained.
Firstly, let me say how much I like your closing guitar music on all your video clips !! Who is it by ?
Or, do you play the guitar for that piece ? Tee Hee !!
Not sure how plays it, it's not me.
MERRY Christmas 🎄 MGBYAAIJNA 😎
Thanks! You too!
Maybe not but seemed to be stepping little short on left hind...maybe just slight twist wrong...rest probably fix...
How tall is your trailer I’m getting into draft horses I have a regular size stock trailer at 6 foot 6 inches I’m jw if they will fit ? Or is yours taller ? Thanks
Across the pond
I wonder if she bumped into something and thereby has a sore spot that is not an issue unless she turns that way? I don't know if there is such a muscle, but the things that happen to your team when you are not looking (and it can happen anywhere!) are always going to be there.
Beautiful team, and so obviously they are a team, familiar with each other and comfortable like an old married couple!
Yes, that’s true!
I know these are not Barrel horses, but often, when a barrel horse suddenly doesn't want to turn well, there is something sore or out of adjustment. Lady seems a bit odd on her left rear. If you know of a horse chiropractor, might be worth having them take a look. you could also take a knuckle and start rubbing it around to find a sore spot...doesn't take a lot of pressure to find.
I agree. My niece had a barrel horse that suddenly wouldn't turn one way. She ended up taking her to the university vet hospital. They found she had a pulled muscle in her hip.
Yes, unfortunately we don’t have a horse chiropractor anywhere close by.
My best guess is that she needs an adjustment. Her left shoulder looks sore. You may want to check collar fit.
Thanks
I find it interesting to read all the comments concerning why your mare has been acting peculiar. I have found that horses are a lot like humans. The older we get the more peculiar we become..
Absolutely
Got that right !!
Left eye issue?
Wont turn? Sore muscle?
Have you ever used hand warmers like Hot Hands to keep bits warm?
No, I either warm them with my hands or keep them in a warm truck
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim They work pretty good here in Carolina but now we don't get frigid weather like y'all do. Shoot, Copperheads come out in Jan around here. Lol
wish I could help, but I don't have enough of a trained eye, to be of any help.
Could be back issue..I had something simlar..with big horses turning in tight areas..get a chiropractor to have a look..best of luck..
Yes, unfortunately we don’t have a horse chiropractor around here.
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim If you can locvate sore spot.. a tennis ball can be used to apply pressure to realine veritbre..maybe your vet can advise..
If you stall her all the time, try turning her out where she can roll. Rolling is a horse's chiropractor.
She goes out to pasture quite often. That's true about the rolling!
Hey Jim, Ive never run drafts, always just small horses working cows. Ive always backed them out, so I can't really relate. Did she ever fill in that crack on her right front? She sure doesn't look sore? Like others are saying vision change maybe. Good luck.
Her hoof seems to be growing good. Thanks for watching
What is the best wood for a tongue; strong but light weight? Hardwood or conifer? Also most rot resistant for outdoor storage. Hardwoods tend to be strong and dense, heavy but not rot resistant. Conifers like cedar are lightweight and rot resistant but may not be strong or hold up to wear. With your own sawmill, you could make what you want and not worry about wear. Can you cut a taper with your sawmill? Smoothness would be preferable when sanded. Hemlock would have too many splinters when weathered.
Definitely hard hack.It is called by many names. Also known as Ironwood and the rest of the names escape me right now. I can cut poles on my sawmill but I use a round pole when logging. I can cut tapered poles in my sawmill
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim I think you are referring to Eastern or American Hop Hornbeam. The shaggy bark reminds me or a miniature Shagbark hickory. Hard and dense wood, thus the Ironwood name. I don't see it often. Hackberry is a tree in the birch family seldom seen in NYS. Mostly a shade tree but I did see a log of it at Empire Farm Days years ago about to be sawn. I don't think you were referring to American Hornbeam, also known as Blue Beech or Musclewood. Very hard and dense heavy wood, seldom gets large enough for a tongue. Hard on saws or axes.
czcams.com/video/YWy1K0cRAbM/video.html Don Leopold, a friend of mine from ESF. Eastern hophornbeam@@WorkingHorsesWithJim
I know its only been a couple weeks..but any news on Lady n her floating issues??
She seems to be improved
I noticed her tail when her hind end touched the side of the trailer. Like she was trying to move it further to the left. Read a comment about her leg. She looks, to me, like she’s trying to tuck her hind end under her. Have ye checked under her tail for a sore? Or her crupper for a rough place?
Never thought of that, I’ll check it out! Thanks.
My horse happily loaded into the cattle truck. He could see out. Lots of room.
How do your horses handle a bit in very cold conditions?
They do ok, warming it up before putting it in the mouth helps a lot
When it is so cold do you keep the bridals in a warm place before putting them on the horses so the bit does not freeze their mouth?
He keeps them in the warm cab on the way to the job so they're not cold when he puts them on.
Thanks Justin, you’re right!
I just seen your video about Lady not turning to the Left.
Have you had her Teeth Floated??
Check her mouth.
We enjoy your video's.
Thanks
Her teeth were floated not too long ago
Jim, Are you using 12 ft. long chains and what size?
Yes, 5/16
It actually looked like she wouldn't fit at all and she walked right in there.
I have heard of people feeding oats that have been soaked in molasses. Is that something you would buy or something that people make for themselves? Thx.
I think it’s something you’d have to make for yourself, I know some people do
May have bumped her head. The first few times she ducked away from the wall when turning around.
Have a Bowen therapist or Physiotherapist work on Lady, it sounds like she has pulled or strained something
Is there a reason why you run rib tires on your cart ?
They are an odd tire, and they were the easiest ones to get.
She's just decided "i've had enough of turning your way, I'm turning My way now and I'm stuburn
That could very well be it
Nothing worse than a stubborn female !! Tee Hee !!
How many hours do you work your horses in the woods?
Varies but less than 8
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Do you use Canadian oats?
Rolled? Blown?
Just local Whole oats
Stiff on the neat side. Check out Masterson Method (U Tube). I think it will help.
Thanks
I don't know why but her rear left leg seems like something is going on.?
how many hands are these horses query
16-2 to 17 hands
Have you checked her vision in the left eye?
No, but she seems to always be looking in both directions. She seems to have really good vision
Could she be having a problem with her left eye?
Just a suggestion for storing and carrying your chains. May be a little tough with the limited space on your “chariot” as I call it. You are like Ben Hur to me.
Kyle at RR Builders uses a bucket with a lid with a hole cut in lid. Use an appropriate smallest size bucket for each chain. Tie something on end of chain so it does not fall into the bucket. You can pull the chain in and out of the bucket and it won’t get tangled. If I can find his video where he shows it and figure out how to put in link I will. Maybe you could screw 3 small 1 gal buckets on the back rail of the seat.
As I think about it ... if the hook you showed on the end of the chain is only in one end then that will stop chain from falling into the bucket. Just make the hole big enough for the chain and not the hook.
It may not be an issue for you since your chains are not very long but it worked really good for the other CZcamsr because he was using pretty long lengths of chain.
Hopefully the peanut gallery doesn’t rain all over my suggestion 😂
As for poor Lady, I am way out of my depth on giving any suggestions there.
Wish the poor girl well and hope she has no real problem underlying the issue.
When you were in the forest you can tell the ground is frozen solid by the sound of the horses hoofs when they hit the ground
Yes I think it might be hard with my limited space though, thank you for your suggestions. It might be a great thing to store in my truck though.
You should convince your daughters to do a Christmas song concert video.
Thanks for the idea
Alkaline batteries lose power rapidly below zero. Lithium batteries will continue to provide usable power even well below zero. I use Energizer Ultimate lithium batteries in AA. They also have AAA. I use them in all my deer trail cams. More expensive but they work better. Any AA or AAA rechargeable just don't have the voltage to begin with and are unsuitable in cold weather.
Thanks for the tip!
Being that Lady thinks since she has room on either side that she thinks she can just turn around and go out front ways. Sometimes we take the easy way out no pun intended
Have you checked her back for stiffness.. maybe pinched nerve..etc
I have not ,I don’t doubt that might be the problem but we don’t have a chiropractor for horses around here that we can call on
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim thats no good.. with mine we wrapped his tail ( hair only of course) round a very secure top rail ..then asked horse to walk forward..one step.was all that was needed..by securing his tail this pulled his back into line..understand if you dont want to try it..
Sounds like you know what you’re talking about, but I don’t so I’d be scared to try it but thanks for the info
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim I watched carefully when it ws done to one of my horses..but I fully understand where your coming from and I would wait as well..best wishes..
It's in her neck. Like she's tight on the right so she's hitting both front and back.
I don't know your family name, but, given that green tuque and that green neck thing, are you of irsh origin?
I don’t so, my father’s family came from Scotland. The colors I was wearing are just incidental
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim See ...
Must be the harness
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Maybe she's hurt her neck or withers & experiences pain turning to the left? Chiropractor?
Could be, unfortunately we don't have a horse chiropractor close by
Its probably been mentioned but check her eyesight in her left eye.