The Truth About Snorlax Stall & Should It Be Banned?!
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In today’s video I talk about the big discussion right now as should Snorlax Stall be banned from our format! - Hry
The problem isn’t really that it’s innoying to play against, it’s about how long a single match can take. I’ve had a few that lasted 45 plus minutes and they still lost
Same here lol
just remember they are the ones that always have long games and still lost against you
@@p3ter67 😂😂😂 pretty much lolol
@@p3ter67 that’s fine on the video game
@@Bigcheese2321what’s your name on ptcgo
I appreciate you going through the game's history and bringing up previous stall deck examples. Vastly more interesting than just complaining that Snorlax is a strong deck. It gives newer players who never really experienced a stall deck before some much needed context
Yep I thought it was important to bring that up
@ldfptcg2022 100% agree with this...ldf, you spell it out for us and I appreciate that part a lot.
Coming from an MtG background I quite enjoy playing control decks and there’s always that RPS of control < aggro < combo. Seems like it’s just not as common for Pokémon players to have to deal with.
I firmly believe cards like Yveltal, Regieleki, etc, are healthy for the game, but cards like BlockLax are so unfun to play against. It literally prevents you from doing a basic action in the game, however, people just don't bother to tech for it. There's tech cards such as switches and now Minior which hard counter the deck. So while I was on the ban train for such a long time, after thinking about it for a bit, it should stay in the format.
It felt like Sableye needed a ban for quite a long time, because we only now just got Jirachi to counter it. The card designers actually anticipated Snorlax Stall by printing Minior in the same set as Counter Catcher. I don't think Snorlax is anywhere near as bad for the game as Sableye was without Jirachi in the format.
Yeah snorlax aint too bad compared to past control cards , as long as there are feasible counters
I think it's a healthy thing to have but probably shouldn't be placing super high. The existence of a deck that literally forces you into doing nothing isn't inherently bad for the game, but it shouldn't be getting consistent top 8s and wins at regionals.
Would be way better if Minior actually had a use outside of just beating stall.
@@driftinggecko8329 Super-effective Glasses on Minior actually does 240 to Iron Hands. That is useful.
@@michaelc7418 still pretty niche. running two tech cards to counter a tech card is pretty costly.
I hate this so much when it comes up on the ladder, I just don’t understand how anyone can enjoy playing it, I get it’s free wins but it must be so boring to play
I feel the same way, but I also feel that way about most meta decks, playing the exact same thing as everyone else is just boring yo me
It felt like Sableye needed a ban for quite a long time, because we only now just got Jirachi to counter it. The card designers actually anticipated Snorlax Stall by printing Minior in the same set as Counter Catcher. I don't think Snorlax is anywhere near as bad for the game as Sableye was without Jirachi in the format; again, we have Minior to deal with Snorlax.
Its annoying to tech a card for every deck tho
I also thought that Sableye should have been banned. It single-handedly made single prize decks worthless, and I don’t think that was healthy for the game.
One thing you forgot to mention, another counter for Snorlax is Canceling Cologne, which I think is a really great option instead of Minior for decks which play Radiant Greninja for example, because you get some benefits against other decks on top of it. Also, a Lost Vacuum shouldn't be amiss in any good deck either, imo! Another card to mention, Sandshrew from 151 prevents your opponent from shuffling Supporter cards back into their deck - and there goes Snorlax' entire cycling machine with Pal Pad, Cylene and Team Yell.
I actually do play Snorlax (even going to take it with me to the Regionals next week I think, I got first place at a local tournament last saturday!), and I do have to agree that for the casual players it's absolutely not fun, but competetively it has a place. And there are good counters against the deck, and I think Prof Turo is a good card for other matches too, because you can just pick up your damaged Charizard Ex and prevent your opponent from getting two price cards, since when you switch it out, it's still on your bench and can be gusted up. Besides, when you can tech in cards for "oh I might play against X", for example Jirachi for Lost Box, then you can definitely fit in a Minior or Prof. Turo.
The best thing to do is play super aggressive, try and get the Rotom V gone, because then Snorlax will not risk putting it back on the bench so you can Boss it gain for another 2 prices, and when you constantly damage the Snorlax, they are forced to play Penny, or search for Switch Cart with Arven, or a Pal Pad, and keep the Penny going, as they will not be able to play other Supporter cards instead.
Oh, big addendum: because Snorlax is so incredibly reliant on Counter Catcher, just build up your bench and Pokemon, and only then start using ressources like Boss or Switch, and start taking knockouts! Try taking baits for Avery by filling up your bench, so you have two easy disposables, and that card is gone and needs to take up their ressource of a Pal Pad or Team Yell. And lastly: I can't stress how important that Rotom is, if you got some price cards taken, or even better, you knock out that light bulb directly, you're going to have a whole lot of an easier time. Try to combine it with an Iono to reset their hand.
Minior is just better and good against many decks. Playing a single Cologne will not help you win against snorlax
Bro thank you so much for the advice I was struggling against this match up. This helps so much. I’m kind of new to the game and the meta so I didn’t really understand how to deal with that Match up. Again thank you bro and good luck on your run at the regional✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
@@scoop92 Hey man I'm glad my advice helped! In general, when you understand how a deck plays, and what their setup, engine and goal is, you can start working on countering them. For example, Chien Pao and Gholdengo are heavily reliant on Superior Energy Retrieval, so you can put a Toedscruel from Paradoxrift into your deck. It works the other way too, "what is my deck weak against/struggles against". While the PTCGL client is very... """"good""", it still has a great sorting tool imho, and you can even search for terms like "poison" or "energy", so you can find new cards which are perfect for your strategy.
But ultimately, it still all comes down to experience. What helped me the most, apart from playing obviously, is watch videos by content creators or streamers who explain what they play, and why they play it, and during a match, what they are doing or what they're careful of, and so on. I'm sure you'll get better in no time!
And as thanks for the good luck, a last tip for Snorlax: put on a Patrol Cap on a Pokemon which would be a target for Snorlax to trap in the active spot, they'll think twice about doing it, because now they can't remove your item cards with Miss Fortune Sisters anymore, because no one plays this card and it will definitely catch them offguard 😁
(But as a real, solid tip: get your important item cards on your hand, for example Switch and Escape Rope with an Arven, because Snorlax can not discard them from your hand!)
@@shuri07 Well obviously not, but I mentioned it as a card which is a universally good card for when you play Radiant Greninja, so you don't have a card which is a counter against a single deck, but works against many, in this case Manaphy. And if you get a Canceling Cologne in, you have damage pressure - or just shoot off a Mimikyu.
And I disagree that Minior is good against many decks, in fact, a lot of meta decks have a fighting resistance, or the retreat cost is so small, it doesn't pay off. Miraidon decks for example have a fighting weakness, yes, but the heaviest they have is Iron Hands with 4, just as Snorlax - but while you hit it for 160 damage, it survives and takes you out for an easy 2 prize cards. Maybe there's something I currently don't have on my radar, but Minior really is only good for Snorlax (but with that, it does fantastic work).
@@heavyaccentguy5056 yoooo thank you again man hey anytime you wanna play test online bro please let me know. I would love to practice against you. I also didn’t realize that toedscruel slowed down chien pao. That’s a pretty good tech. Thank you for all the advise man. I was thinking of building armarouge ex. Is that a bad deck to play in the meta?
People hate snorlax cuz now people need to think more about deck making
If match duration is the problem, Magic banned Sensei’s Divining Top for the same reason. It wasn’t a broken card. It just made the tournament scene unbearable for the players.
Was the death of miracles God I miss that deck
@@smugs7921 Good times, right? Innocent bystander if you ask me. I loved playing top decks.
@@Ejb5154 I still run games with top in my locals when waiting for games so I still get some games in at least. Game is faster on cockatrice since you eventually just get the lines down
If I was in charge I would ban the card for spirit of the game. I would set it apart from mill decks because you’re actually seeking a win con quickly as you can. I don’t like that the whole premise is you do nothing until your opponent decks
I dont think theres anything wrong with having a deck like this exist, as long as there are counters
I think running things like Crabominable and Miss Fortune Sisters keeps it within the spirit of the game. If the deck could stall and win without milling anything you might have more of an argument against it in that aspect. Snorlax doesn't actively seek to run the game to time, it wants you to deck out and faster is better.
@@ldfptcg2022 counters to a card can never justify that card. if a card is too strong, the game just becomes "did i draw my counter or not" which is just luck
Tricky Gym actually made this look really fun to play not so much for the opponent though 🤣 variety keeps things fresh. I like to play a bit of everything. Sometimes it's nice to try a new approach or strategy for a change every now and again.
You have to consider how this affects irl tournaments and not so much the online game. In ptcgl you concede and go next, no big deal.
Nicely stated! There should always be a place for alternative decks if the format supports it.
Everyone wants to ban everything when they're too lazy to tech for it........ run switch/cart/rope and/or Minior or Sandshrew. It's easy to beat, like simplistically easy.
I absolutely love control/lock decks..... I ran Trevenant and Toad decks during XY, absolutely hated the banning of Trump Card (Bitch ass Night Marchers) and I ran Lost World and Sableye decks during HGSS........
In my opinion, the banned card should be Erika’s invitation. If it wasn’t for that card especially since it invalidates the strat to play around echoing horn, I feel that it’s the Erika that makes it unavoidable. Not a lot of people play stall decks in general so honestly it probably won’t be a problem now
Yeah erika is a huge instigator here
Blocklax is a symptom not the disease. Its an indicator of trends in deck design in the format.
It repeats itself....... people hated Trevenant, not as much as Seismitoad EX with Lasers, Virbank, Headringer, and 2 different energy hammers lol
I’m a newer player started in crown zenith era but what did the milodtic in the Trevnet dusknoir tag team do
While few decks might play it. If you play ancient energy capsule already find a slot for brute bonnet and posion them out. While not the most damge it helps round out attacks that you do get in.
A ban won't happen.
There's ways around it and, while some people hate it, the hate comes from a basis of "my deck hates it" without showing how the *already available counters* don't work.
It reminds me of Oranguru control at the end of the Cosmic Eclipse environment, except the older deck had even less counters in the environment.
started encountering this on ladder, and personally.. I like it as a deck. I was playing gholdengo, and they just outlasted my attempts to break them back. I went the full length of that match, and honestly I like how the deck style plays into what is the most potent defensive mechanic in the game right now, which is gusting up something the opponent doesn't want in play, and then holding it there. while i was in the match i was just thinking of ways to play through it without flat teching...
My biggest complaint is that this build is the most viable ive ever seen stall or mill in the game as a newbie, and Its sad that a mill build's best option is to go this way or nothing, because of how little the main game has for this. what even qualifys as a control deck nowadays in game?
Sandshrew from 151 can shut down Cyllene Pal Pad Loop
7:21 i counter miniors with my snorlax using the mimikyu + luxurious vest and radiant tsaarena to constantly heal the 20 dmg.
Then i gust anything that cant attack during the game, they continue to attach more energy to the minior eventually i'll be able to trap something permanently
I think folks are upset their pricey meta decks are getting humbled by a stack of bulk. Control is the great equalizer! Folks need to evaluate their lists, which wasn’t an option with Sable or Mew/Gen for long stretches.
While the deck is good and I don't think it should be banned, I do agree on some points.
It takes out a lot of fun and it's just one sided and just wait game for the other player.
Alakazam ex is an extremely hard counter to Snorlax so I don’t think it’ll ever get banned cause if there ever comes a time where everyone is using Snorlax, the game makers would love for their players to showcase the first ever attack-from-bench card
wailord max potion was peak stall
I played Tsareena ex vs this and he had me blocked fr… he realized he could never deck me out bc i had skwovet but he had pidgeot vanishing wings so infinite loop with last card in his deck lol. We almost ran out of time and he decked himself out at the end lol. Neither of us took any prizes so ig at that point whoever did more damage wins??
Nah whoever times out first
@@ldfptcg2022 oh okay. I was wondering about that. I was literally about to time out and he made himself deck out lol. Idk why. He would have won
I think Snorlax is definitely playable against, it’s a totally different game and you need to think differently.
A card that’s incredibly toxic to play against however is path to the peak.
A player, using a conventional deck that uses knock outs to takes prize cards as it’s win condition, may go first, play their entire turn out, draw tons of cards and use them, then play path to the peak.
This creates an unplayable game state most of the time for the opponent before they can even play their first turn of the game. Sure they could have a deck that doesn’t rely on rule box Pokémon, but the fact that most of the good decks in format use rules box ability Pokémon that are bodied by path to the peak means there’s a high chance a turn 1 path before they even get a chance to play the game will just win the game for the opponent on their first turn of the game.
Similar cards in the past were quite toxic for the health of the game and ended up getting banned, for example forest of giant plants, sableye (0 energy supporter copy attack, platinum I think) these two cards created unhealthy turn 1 scenarios where the player would essentially win the game or prevent the opponent from playing the entire game on the first turn of the game before your opponent even gets a chance to play a card.
Control is fine. But stall ruins the pace of play and is horrible time to play against. But you can just tech in minior
To add on Snorlax can play dunsparce as a tech against minior
Yup
We should be talking about counters, not a ban. Minior and/or a few extra switch cards are all it would take. It's just that simple.
To me i dont think sableye was as bad. B/c he needs to get lost cards to get set up, and only hits 120. So as long as u dont bench low hp pokemon, it will take 2-3 turns to knock a v or ex out, so more time. But with snorlax, it doesnt matter if u dont bench lumineon/(pokemon u dont attack with), they can grab from ur hand or from discard to bench. Then your stuck. No one carrys up to 6 boss orders/switches. Need more stars to align, like have a pal pad. To me it is like if a basketball team wins b/c the other team shot the ball and it got stuck in the corner of the basket.
Anytime I play stall deck I always find a way to beat stall decks I have never lost to any stall deck soo I don't really care if people play it or not
People love to complain. I’m never happy playing against Lugia or Miraidon. But I’m not trying to ban it.
I need some enlightenment. Ive played hundreds of matches online and i believe i faced this deck maybe 3 or 4 times and lost to it once. How does this deck actually win? Like why can’t they just attack and kill the snorlax?
Like for instance your opponent starts with 3 snorlaxs on the field and a minikyu. But you started with 2 roaring moon and a galarian moltres v. What is snorlax gonna do to stop you from attacking?.
Ive seen so many snorlax in tcg even in live. Its not a great card in game per se, but its a powerful deck in stall strategies.
No wonder ive seen so many people buying pokemon go tcg cards in my stores
I run banette ex Gard ex and it counters this deck fairly well
So I've been playing Zoroark box with Togetic and Professor Turo's Scenario, so there is a way to beat Snorlax... the problem is the only time I've ever played against Snorlax, my Turo was prized. If you have the tools to beat it, I could see it being slightly more interesting, but if you prize the only cards you have to beat it, it's totally pointless..
This deck is not being played yet at my local league. However, people in the WhatsApp group keeps 'warning' about how bad it would be if someone showed up with it to a tourney. Should I give it a try?
Oranguru was fine until bellelba came along, it was really a combination of like 6 cards that was problematic. But guru decks took a good amount of skill to play, if you got something wrong back for a turn at the end of the game you would lose the game and the set because you spent 40 minutes setting up your win condition. Snorlax takes so much less skill to play but it's definitely not ban worthy
The issue is people don't take the time to learn how to play against it. What everyone that is complaining should do is play the deck online learn the cards and find a out against it.
Do you feel that way after so many of it's counters were rotated out & counters to a lot of it's outs were added?
I love control decks. No need to ban it. If you tech for it it’s definitely beatable
I don’t think it’s strong enough to be banned, but I can see it being banned for match duration in tournament and viewer/ player experience. On ladder I can just forfeit against Snorlax and move on with my day, but the tournament experience has people stuck with it if they want to win
I love playing this deck, it’s very fun. Have been playing since a few sets ago, and it’s really good now.
Can't you just play 1 pokemon and solo the deck if you know your playing it not sure how it works I only played it once island I only lost cause I over benched
The fact that you cant attack pidgeot and you can inf loop is egregiously horrible for the game
Some lax lists play Spiritomb
Control decks are healthy in any TCG. The problem comes when the Control deck is missing a win condition.
This current stall list doesn't have a proper win-con, so it feels really unfun to play against. Furthermore, if it's affecting tournaments; then it's a problem. If more games go to ties, that's a problem. If more rounds go to time, that's a problem. Honestly, if it's not fun to watch on stream, that's a very real problem too. If there is a ban on Block Snorlax, it will be because of the meta reasons and not due to power.
What are you even talking about? Snorlax's win condition is decking the opponent out.
By stalling, not by actively milling. That just happens naturally.
@@GreenMonkeySam It does actively mill as well, though, with both Miss Fortune Sisters and Crabominable.
common ldf W
I run minior in all my decks now , and still i dnt want find that bs deck on ladder not worth my time play against it
Truth is that thing can be annoying yes, but just like any other deck, there is randomness, if you can go strong first and manage to defeat you opponent before they can set the snorlax strategy you can win. and also, in tournaments depends on what matchups you get, like, a gardevoir could be left out if all it's matches were inteleon vmaxes or some stuff like that, I mean randomnes let this deck win once, but of course if Charizard can't beat it it must be baned. right? I still remember when a Vulpix vstar stoped "the strongest" deck. but one thing is for sure, in terms of how boring it is, imagine a streamed match of a mirror match of that thing... yeah then it needs to be banned
Imagine living in a world where, Snorlax stall wins Worlds. Lol
I think it needs a ban just to make a better tournament environment. It's depressing to play against and make all your tournaments take longer. But it is hard because control decks do deserve their time to shine too.
Do I like playing against Snorlax stall no but I don't think it's bad for the game. It's a top deck that players have to adjust to and tech for now so they can beat Snorlax when they come across it. Just my opinion but Snorlax stall isn't hard to beat. The point of the deck is to trap a useless pokemon in the active and deck you out with other cards like miss fortune sisters. Basically you don't want to put support Pokemon down so for a chien pao deck you wouldn't want to bench bidoof, miraidon wouldn't want to bench flaaffy, and Charizard you wouldn't want to bench bidoof or celebrations mew or radiant Charizard. The key to beating this deck is to always bench viable attackers and to use pivot cards only when necessary that way your taking consistent knockouts each turn.
Idc as long as amulet handlock dont come back
Sandshrew 151 doesn’t it shut down block-lax?
It seems like allot of people are talking about how it should be banned because its unfun but personally i think its very fun, i think that playing against mew and lugia are unfun but they shouldnt be banned, banning something because its not fun to play in your opinion is silly lol
The only reason that has any amount of legitimacy to it that needs to be evaluated is the fact that in the mirror match it is very very likely that a stalemate scenario will be arrived at, which while fine in Swiss rounds, if two Snorlax decks make top cut and meet against each other, it's very very possible that there will be a game one stalemate and then what do you do?
shouldnt be banned there should just be an incredibly hard counter to it like drapion v was, minior aint doing anything unless you get calamitous wasteland down
Ita hilarious hearing anybody complain while they whip down huge beatsticks and are fine about it
If a deck is unfun to play against thats a problem also if it takes alot of time to finish the game, is it ban worthy? No it's easily counter-able
I disagree that control decks that are so oppressive to play against, that you have to draw pass until you lose, are healthy for any game. The PTCGO meta is terrible imo, losing turn 0-1 against Iron Valiant, being prize chumped by Iron Hands and losing 30min of my life when I que into lax leave me feeling the need to quit (at least until the season changes or something) I play casually but want some ranked rewards every season so I build a top 8 deck that I like and try to climb a little but this season is complete dog water. Would be nice to not lose to rng half the time too, prizing answers, having answers but getting Iono'd into a bricked hand, starting the worse possible starter and hands. I believe I'm just outright cursed on PTCGO as this is how most my matches play out no matter the deck I'm facing, I need a break tbh
Erika’s is worse than counter catcher. You can beat Snorlax by just not benching anything that can’t attack, but if they Erika it’s GG depending on how many switches you have.
Yeah if your opponent hits erika you just lose
Playing against decks that ironically prevent you from playing the game at all is just a no from me and I despise decks like these.
Just a question, what if they simply changed the rules so that if a pokemon is asleep, it becomes unable to use abilities?
they aren’t going to rework the rules for 1 deck they’d sooner ban the card then change the rules.
I played snorlax yesterday and I didn't win and it wasn't that fun to play at all.
No ban it encourages more deck design also helps fighting types as a whole
I've had much more interesting games vs stall than Gardie or Miraidon, whose matches play the same almost every game.
I won against it the other day by killing 2 of my own roaring moons and then roxanne.
What interesting out can you find against Gardie? There isn't one, you have to deal with the massive threat in front of you every turn.
If you don't like playing it or don't have outs in your deck, that's on you.
As a brand new player the first time I had to play this deck online I was ready to quit the game here and there. This deck takes all of the fun out of the game
In my opinion its not too popular on the ladder so its easy to just concede and move on
And that's pretty much exactly what I do lol. It just creates too much of a NPE. I've even tried my best to play through it but if you're not specifically teched to play against it it just feels pointless.
On a different note I love your content and it has been great helping me learn how to get into the game so thank you.
I think that if some decks that were unhealthy and broken weren't banned, snorlax shouldn't be banned as well. There ate ways around it, people just have to figure them out. Giratina vstar is very dificult matchup for snorlax. If there's ways around it, it should never be banned just as stall never was banned in single format in the regular games.
Valiant destroys Snorlax, it runs 12 switch cards lol
@@stephenbearden6809 it depends how the game goes. I played snorlax and I managed to win. The most switching items you use in the deck, the most get thrown away with miss fortune sisters. It's a very luck based matchup. With entei it has 45% win rate, with urshifu is just 35%. Which means it's not unstoppable.
@@ricardorocha8206 It's all in deck management, Snorlax wins unless you're conservative....... don't bench anything you can't power up etc
Pokemon players can't handle non autopilot decks
people who play snorlax stall hate fun and hate themselves
People who hate Snorlax Stall are uncreative plebs.
Play switch cards BOZO
@@brendalee1215 you think i dont?
Just play Minior. Problem solved.
@@seantaft3853Creative lmao , hows copy-paste a list "Creative" ?
Look as someone you loves control decks and loves snorlax. Its just comes down to the fact that sadly the TCG only has snorlax as a viable control option. Believe me i would love to play another control type but why would i play something that is a guaranteed loss pretty much, when i can just play snorlax and have way better odds of winning plus i have fun like it or not. All im saying is until they give us a better control deck im playing snorlax sorry.
All is far in love and war
If the immature kids don't like long games, then penalize the player who takes a long time on their turns. We can make pokemon TCG like speed chess with a timer. If the player runs out of time, then they lose. Oh wait?
My personal feeling on the deck is that it does take a lot of skill and luck to pilot, so not everyone can run it successfully. My biggest issue is with the best of 3 matches in major tournaments and the extremely limited time you have to play, it can make for situations where your opponent wins round one and then there isn't enough time. However, like you said, not a lot of people play the deck and as more people learn to play against it and tech for it I feel its viability will just go down.
Snorlax is the most fun I’ve had with the game ever. I enjoy watching my opponents slowly realize they can’t win
Just play Lugia bro
Snorlax is not a top deck despite winning the regional. Let the meta ebb and flow. There's the Bibarel from GO that negates all the discard effects Snorlax uses. There's plenty of better control options/counters available than what are being used. People will literally play jirachi before Empoleon V despite most decks losing to Snorlax and matching up with Lost Box. Cancelling Cologne is still a thing. Tool Jammer is a thing. Sounds like TCG meta is too aggressive and not thoughtful enough right now.
There isn't a problem, you're just babies
snorlax stall strike again
It's just boring.
I don't know about you but I want to have fun when I play
There's nothing wrong with the card
Another solution is to re-release Snorlax that allows Retreat if the opponent flip two heads. Therefore not banning the card but making it a casual deck instead.
I can believe this is even an issue….a bunch of babies playing this game? You tech for everything else….just tech for this. All these decks have that 1 card you can make room for….mew vmax has 2 of them. This is a non issue. I have played the deck… Trust me, it is more painful playing it then it is playing against it.
whenever any deck comes out like this in any game, people have a problem because it plays so differently from the other games. at this point.. I like it just because it's another kind of deck that takes advantage of pokemons mechanics. it's also about the only thing that could get as far as it did in it's style, and as a mill fan, Wugtrio ain't it.
Snorlax is one of the easiest to play right now personally. I can play two games at once. Just pass and keep something locked up. I’ve been 14-2 since trying it out
Its not even a good deck just annoying. Its more annoying hearing it being called a good deck.
They should ban either Erika or Snorlax. True there’s a few ways to counter stall, but the main issue is that you shouldn’t force people to play counter. You can have fun playing against Sableye and even win sometimes without Jirachi. But playing against Snorlax stall is just boring.
Sableye had no true counter. Snorlax can be easily manipulated by a bunch of cards that aren’t of singular use for Snorlax. The meta is *gasp* going to have to reevaluate their lists. Ie, play the game.
@@MusicSkeletonKeys The difference is that the strategy against Snorlax is pretty much one-dimentional: you compare both decks and if they have more catcher cards than your switch cards, you lose.
Against Sabeye, even non-meta deck can win if they play well plus some luck.
Bros entire logic behind blocklax being healthy is “draw the out”, which that is never healthy for the format.
I think it is since you have to draw the out naturally since snorlax doesnt take prizes so you can technically draw it
People who are complaining about Snorlax are all new players from SwSh and later and shouldn't be given a voice lf opinion. I was birthed through the fire and the flames coming in to competitive with Seismotoad EX and Lysandre's Trump Card.
Don't forget delinquent and ace trainer oh and N, that sure is a nice game winning hand you got there. Would suck if someone played n. Hex maniac, let me abuse my shaymins and setup, drop hex and you have fun
Snorlax wins one time*
…alright guys lets ban this one
Bro you're saying the absolute toxic format of Lugia in its prime and lost box but we want Snorlax banned? Gfto
Two words. Skill issue.
Oh yes sure , everyone Who hate play against snorlax have a skill issue , and those Who play snorlax in unranked are the masters from the game , come on Bro move on
@willywonka2314 It just facts. There isn't a deck in format that can beat them all. Some will say Snorlax is just that but it's not. That's all I'm saying here. Can't beat it don't hate. Tech for it lol
And if you refuse to do so, take the L
Simple
@@KantoCacho there is nothing about skill in include a tech card in ur deck ,now minior Will be like a manaphy or sum , and snorlax its an annoying bs deck , even if i tech my decks , i dnt want waste 40 min playing against that bs
I enjoy playing control styled decks. What I don't enjoy is a match taking forever because my opponent refuses to take the L and move on.
I’ve lost to that deck many times before it really takes the fun away from the game 😡 IT NEEDS TO BE BANNED!
This deck violates the very heart of the game - competitiveness. It is a deck designed simply to stop the opponent from being able to play The Game. It is a card that needs to be banned. It is a violation of the very heart of the Pokémon tcg game.
By the way its prounsed gdańsk were the"ń" is like ni in" niet" couldnt find any other english word that sounds like ń
I don’t necessarily think it should be banned. It’s beatable and it’s not the number 1 deck either.
You can counter the deck with switches. Honestly, Durant deck was worst to play against 🫠