The Montblanc 149 or 146? A Comparison Of Two Famous Fountain Pens
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- If you're looking to choose between either pen, hopefully this video will help. The 146 was one I fixed up for a friend (since returned). The 149 is my personal pen that I use regularly.
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My husband loves his 149. Has had it, and written with it, for at least 25 years. He loves how it writes. And really, to have something give you enjoyment consistently for years and years- that’s worth money. Great video, as always. Thanks. :)
wow, that’s a really durable nib! 🎉
I have both. I buy 149 with a medium nib in 1976, and the 146 with a broad nib in 1978. I love them both. In the early ‘80s I bought a Classique.
I found a 149 in a tin can by a friend's telephone. It was crammed with various things to write with, mostly old pencils and biros. It had belonged to his father, he told me, but as he never used it, he gifted it to me. I spend €10 having the piston mechanism repaired (not by MB), and it writes beautifully, the nib in perfect condition. Always been curious to try a 146, but I guess I should feel satisfied with what I have.
Man, thats a fantastic find!
My Montblanc 146 was given to me by a dear friend named Peter Franklin. He actually has a flower named after him: agapanthus peter franklin. I love how the 146 has just the right amount of girth. Thanks for the Ferris Bueller quote. Take care.
My wife gifted me a 146 in 1989 and I didn’t even know the model number until last December when I looked on the pen cap. It was the only fountain pen I had for 34 years! The medium nib was an uncontrollable thick line for me so last month Mike Masuyama grinded it down to a 0.6 mm stub. Now it writes like a fine with line variation!! Just amazing. It still looks brand new after all these years though the clip has some light scratches.
What about servicing and maintenance of the montblanc in 34 years?
OMG, a couple of months into them and I've become a fountain pen geek watching (and enjoying) videos like this. Thanks. I'm not yet sure of what I'll be writing, but write I will. 😁
I like them both, my 149 nib is a bit too broad, the nib is pretty to look at. I have large hands, but the 146 really feels great, I think that for most folks the 146 would be the go to.
For info, it's not a snowflake, le mont-blanc is a mountain, the white part is representing the top of a snowy mountain.
Funny thing is I own, and use daily a MB149 since 1998 and like her very much, still I use also daily a Parker 51 and a Parker 45, and do prefer the girth of the finer ones even having quite large hands. I guess I need to check the MB146
I have a 146 and a Classique. Having tiny baby hands, the 149 was never going to be an option. 😂 Do I love them? Yes. Do I love them more than my Pilot 823 or Custom 912? Um, no. I love them about the same for different reasons which is what I tell people who think that they have to spend the $$$ for a MB. You love your pen. That makes it worth it. 😊
I recently picked up a late 70s 149 from Antique Digger. It’s an amazing pen. It has a very nice medium nib. It’s quickly became one of my favorites.
I'm hooked on the 146, I have always used a Pelikan M800 and now have a 146. Great vid. Thank you.
Chris fron the prairies.
Hi.. I'm wondering if you would please give me a short opinion comparison on the two of what you like it or dislike between the two? If you can find the time, it would be greatly appreciated! I'm trying to decide between these two. Thank you!
Thanks for producing another video that is direct and succinct - just enough info and not a lot of extraneous stuff. The last time I bought pens was in 2000 with no internet. I am happy, with some research, what I acquired back then turned out to be nice. Boy, do I wish I had the receipts!. Thank you so much!
The 149 is really good, i tried it for a week it was my friend's pen but when i had to buy i got the 146 which fits my hand really well. Both are amazing and it's a personal choice i guess. Your hands make the 146 like kaweco sport in my hand LoL 😂
LOL yeah the 146 feels tiny for me. That's why I was so disappointed with the Majohn P136 😞. It really needs to post well otherwise it's just too small for me to use
Love that cross etching on the cap band. I'll give MB one thing, things they do well, they really do well. I think that is the best cap band out there. Same goes for the ink window. While it doesn't make much of a difference to me about an ink window, having it striated like that, keeps most of the continuity of the pen.
You can always break off the other fin, and none will be the wiser. 😛 What I find hilarious is that the length of the 149 is now small compared to some of the gigantasaurs out there.
Thanks for the video, it's very informative. I also have both pens (from this decade) and I use the 149 much more often. It has a custom-ground medium stub and it's one of the best nibs I own. The pen is quite girthy, so it's easy for me to have a more relaxed grip and use the 149 for hours without any issues. But both are iconic pens and anyone would be well served with any of them. Thanks again! 😉✌️
I'm glad I never bought a 146 after servicing this one for a friend. Great pen but just not for my hand size. Have never regretted a second of getting my 149
Mt Blanc is not within my budget for long. However I always return to my Pelikan Pelikano Up. It looks cheap although in aluminum. Mine is ice blue. But the Pelikan quality is absolutely there! So smooth and fluid. I prefer it to the Pelican Twist which is in spot 1 before Lamy Safari. Hope you get one somewhere for a review.
It's cool that Pelikan makes a few pens in the not-expensive category, unlike MB.
Does Montblanc has greater quality than Pelikan
In December, I got a vintage 146. I've found I really love that pen! It writes beautifully and fits well in my hand. Of course, I do like vintage pens, so the slimmer profile may suit me because of that. The closest I've come to a 149 is Jinhao's two versions of the 159. Both versions led me to complain of being too thick. So I suspect that I wouldn't like the 149. Would be fun to try one, but I don't want to spend money on one!
That is one good thing about the pens that mimic others, gives you an idea of you want the real deal
Excellent video! Thank you! These have been on my mind so much lately. Reading all the comments are also very helpful.
i love my 146, I bought it used because I think it’s overpriced, but at around 300 euros I am extremely happy with my purchase, it’s one of my favorite pens along with my Aurora 88 limited edition that I got for almost 800. Now I just got a 149 for 320 and I can’t wait for it to arrive, it’s vintage also, but apparently it’s been barely used by the previous owner since the early 80s. They are excellent pens in my opinion for around 300 euros. 700 to 900 would be too much for me, I like my Aurora a little more (it’s a rose gold demonstrator, which I love like nobody’s business!)
Yup at those prices they are fantastic. At full price.... I couldn't bite the bullet either
I absolutely love my 146s. I find my 145s are too small. I was mistakingly took in by the 'classique' name, thinking that 'legrand' would be too big for my small (can fit into kids gloves) hands.
Compared to Visconti and other luxury brands at the same price, I think that the 146s are a fair price as they're such perfect writers with great nibs.
Thanks for the comparisons. I’ve been considering a vintage Mont Blanc, and this information helps.
Glad it was helpful!
Same here, this helped me decide on the 146. Even the writing sample looked better to me. Prefer a finer less wet line. Also nice choice on the Ferris Bueller quote.
Thanks for bringing up your material creep from your feed in the 149. NOS might mean a demo pen exposed to artificial light in a showroom, but unused. 40 yrs of exposure might be the culprit. Nonetheless, with inflation, getting it replaced, still means tons of value. Can't believe how much appreciation the value went up, definitely a unicorn, like Rolex watches, unlike most vintage FPs.
And both are over hyped, though I would say MB are somewhat over hyped, while the Rolex, don't even get me started. Very good products, but there are better watches and pens. I am far less critical on MB though, but if I'm putting the 149 up against the M1000, pound for pound the M1000 wins, even with my 149 having a very sentimental place in my heart. Goes to show how great marketing can build the hype, but again I am speaking more to Rolex than MB. OMG, I think I hate Rolex. 🤣
_ Right. I'm one of those guys who has reasoned that the Montblanc pens are way overpriced.
_ I got a Jinhao x159 and worked on the nib until I got the exact writing experience that I wanted. Even before I worked on the nib the pen was performing wonderfully!
_ Thus, status symbols need not control the way one sees oneself or the way one lives life. There is greater adventure in circumventing the status symbol route.
I probably wouldn't buy either one at any price, just because I think they look so uninspiring. EDIT: But that gorgeous nib on the 149 just about makes up for it.
Great pens!!! No doubt about it. I can't even afford MB inks LOL...
Since you did say 'what is your opinion'... 😎
As a fan of the "low--end", the prices on these pens just makes me choke a little. My favorite pen, a HongDian N7 ran 30$...and I had to force my hand to push 'buy' because...30$ for a pen? 😂
I don't knock it, because everyone has a hobby. It still just sticker-shocks me when I see the prices on stuff I KNOW couldn't have cost more than a few bucks (relatively) in materials.
Engineering and r&d account for a bit of it, but a LOT of these designs have been around for decades at this point. Paying for a name is just not in my nature, I guess. Heh.
Good stuff and very informative, as usual!
The serious downside to Montblanc is the cost, no doubt about it. But taken care of, they last longer than the life of their original owner.
@@jaystone4816 I don't buy that as an argument for the cost either. Well taken care of, a Jinhao x159 will outlast its owner. That pen costs 10$ or less. My N7 Rabbit is 30$. Same deal.
The origin of the 'cache' of the collector's game, I hate to say it, is the same shell-game played by the DeBoer company to make diamonds "a cultural requirement" in the early 1900's.
Prior to MontBlanc's purchase in 1977, they weren't a collector's anything. After the purchase, things began to change as the marketing focus 180'd away from utility to "luxury"/"collectibility". It's all good, but the prices being paid for plastic...resin pens isn't something dictated by materials or tech at this point. (The obvious exceptions are the collector artist created stuff as well as some of the more exotic rendering of the materials used. But there you're paying for art, not functionality, and most pens don't fit that category.) 🙂
@@caseyjp1 Hey, I'm not in any way justifying Montblanc pricing. It's outrageous. For longevity, the results aren't out yet for the Jinhao x159. If it still works 70 or 80 years later - like Montblanc - we'll all take your word for it. Obviously it hasn't lasted longer than your lifetime - yet.
Perhaps for me it’s a snob thing but for me it’s got to be 149. I have a 149 for me the 146 would be a poor substitute. However we all like different things. This is my second 149, I sold the original one I had. Vintage is better according to an expert I know. Thank you for a great video.
While it isn't my absolute favorite pen, I love my 149. The added girth is really nice for my large hands. I wish that it was a broad rather than a medium, but it belonged to my grandfather so the sentimental value outweighs that minor detail. Mine is also 80's vintage with the split feed (which I think is a fantastic feed)- and oddly enough mine is missing the same fin as yours is! If I could find a loose broad nib for it I'd probably buy it without a second thought.
Really appreciate the comparison between the two pens! If you haven't checked it out yet, kaweco is making a piston fill sport again. I got mine a few days ago and it is fabulous!
Great review and comparison. I thought the 146 would be the perfect size for me but I tried the 149 at a recent pen show and to me it fit my hand quite well.
It is just the price that keeps me from buying one.
Try the new Jinhao x159 with resin, almost identical except for the nib of course and very cheap.
@@Javi_C I did pick up an X159. For the price, it is wonderful. I do wish it was a piston filler though.
@@paulmchugh1430 true
Two great classics for sure! I personally prefer the 146, the 149 is a bit to big for me.
Thanks for comparing the two. I have two 146s, one in black and the other in burgundy. The burgundy is no longer produced. Both pens are excellent writers, no hard starts or skipping. Give the devil his due, Montblanc makes a very good pen. However, the cost new for the 146 or 149 is way overpriced. The closest analog is Rolex. Rolex makes a very good watch, but they're not the best, and they are even more outrageously priced than Montblanc pens. Montblanc and Rolex have become embedded in the public consciousness as "luxury" and status icons. Neither company had that reputation initially, although both were always considered quality makers.
Montblanc in the 1960s and 1970s produced a number of less expensive pens with gold nibs, especially the 14 and 24 series. Excellent gold nibs and piston fillers, and you can still purchase them on the secondary market for reasonable prices. The fact so many are available in great shape is a testament to the quality with which they were produced. Montblanc stopped production of them to concentrate on building an image as luxury and status icons. Granted, the 146 and 149 are more substantially built pens than the 14 and 24, but not enough to justify their current pricing. If you're interested in the 146 or 149, you're best advised to to seek "pre-owned" (used, in everyday language) in very good to excellent condition. Many are available at much more reasonable pricing. I've yet to own a 149, but when I do, it will be a used model in excellent condition, not a new one.
As far as Rolex is concerned, even their used watches are ridiculously overpriced. There are a number of watch brands far superior to Rolex that serious watch people would rather own than Rolex. Serious advertising and promotion have made a very good watch a grossly inflated price status icon.
I agree with you overall. I own a number of 1970s models (such as a Noblesse, a Carrera, a 320 and a 220) made back when Montblanc made pens at all price points - much like, say Lamy do today. Montblanc went down the "luxury"route in the 1980s, once it had been acquired by Dunhill, and that is why we are where we are today. For the record, I bought a new 146 from a boutique in 2014 and I've used it a lot ever since. Was it over-priced when I bought it? In one sense yes, but given how much I've used it since, it was a good buy as I have probably saved $1000s not buying other pens! It is one of my EDC pens along with my old US made, Parker 45 from the 1970s.
Having tried the jinhao x159 and the majohn p136, I can say the 146 really is the limit for me and might be a little too big, so the 149 is out of the question (I still want one though for some reason lol). What I would really like to try (even more than a 149) is a custom urushi. Seems to me like a much more reasonably priced (grey market) 149 with the glorious urushi colors.
Great video as always!
have you considered the classic (or 144 iirc) size ? I have it in ballpoint and while the experience is not great the feel in hand is perfect
When I first got my X159 I thought it felt too big, but after using it a bit I find the X159 to be the perfect size pen and am now considering a MB 149 (I never wanted a MB at all before). I find Pilots normal large size pens 743, 823 & 845 to be an ok size but every time I pick up the X159 it just feels great. I’m assuming The 146 would be on the smaller size of what I like, and I have pretty average size hands. I have a Custom Urush and the nib is something special, but the pen itself makes my x159 feel small. My only issue with getting a MB149 (other than the price) is I think even the EF will not be fine enough. I like Pilot fine nib line width, and from what I’m hearing the EF MB is going to be too broad for my daily use.
@@adamzappia2213 ... I have to agree with everything you said about the X159. Now, owning 2 of those ( F & M), the call of the Montblanc 149 is deafening in my head. The X159 size is perfect for me. Of all the pens I have, many way more expensive than the X159, I find I use it more just because of the feel in my hand. Mine also write in reverse which I think is a plus. MB pricing though...YIKES! 😮.... But I still may pull that trigger some day.
@@jwdyss I’ve moved away from having any interest in the 149. Thankfully, since I’ve started enjoying medium nibs lately and after having tried a couple of Sailor KOP’s I’m going to go that way. I prefer cartridge/converter pens for their simplicity of maintenance so the KOP wins there for me too, and also if you like an X159 in the hand then a KOP is closer in weight than an MB 149 too. The ebonite version looks and feels incredible in the hand and I think that’s the way I’ll be going.
@@adamzappia2213 .. Thank you for reply and input. I believe you may have a really good idea there with the KOP. I couldn't agree more, converters and cartridges are much easier maintenance wise. I will be looking into the KOP myself. I too like the Japanese nib sizing better. Thanks again!
Are they over priced? Most definitely. The M800, Lamy 2000, Sailor Realo, Leonardo Grande, and Pilot Heritage 912 are all cheaper than the 146. The M1000 is cheaper than the 149. Are they pieces of junk? Definitely not. Their nibs, finishing, and attention to detail are great. I have both, and both are comfortable to use for me, but they are different. I have the Le Petite Prince Le Grande, and it has a metal piston knob, so that changes the weight a bit, which I like. I figure if I get the 146, might as well get something different than a smaller version of the 149. The 146 Glacier is calling out to me though, but too pricey.
Yeah I can't justify their new price, but used WOW deals are out there. I've gotten my 149, 24, and M for half the price of just 1 new 149 on its own!
Does Montblanc nib has greater quality than Pelikan
Checked them both out at Toronto Pearson Duty Free yesterday. I was surprised by the size as I expected the 149 to be bigger. Felt nice though, and I considered buying it, but they only had the display model in one size AND wanted full price for it. Not gonna happen.
Found my 149 for about 35-40% of the full retail price. 2nd hand market is pretty good for getting one in great condition
I got a Jinhao X159 to see if I liked the bigger size pen #8 nib and now it’s my favorite. I think a 149 would suit me just fine. Bueller Bueller Bueller
Doesn't the 149 nib stick out of the body significantly farther than the x159 nib?
@@ichirofakename looks like it does. I didn’t think I’d get used to the bigger section mainly… took a few days
@@ichirofakename The nib on the 149 is a bit longer, maybe 2 or 3 mm.
Hi. I just love my 149, it has the most magnificent extra fine Architect nib, it's responsiveness is amazing.😍 Cheers.
My 149 might be the favorite pen I currently own
i love fountain pens :' )
I bought a 149 duty free at London- Heathrow in 1976 for £71 . it forms the foundation of my 40
Plus pen collection . I have used it hardly at all as the broad nib writes like a paint brush. For every day ‘ carry ‘ I use my Pilot 72 or 823 as the 149 is too showy for public display
Hard to believe they were once so "cheap".
Public display..... Never thought of it that way.
If you don't use it, sell it. You'll get at least 10-12 times what you paid for in in 1976. Collectors prefer the older 149s.
Thank you for a wonderful review. Could you please let me know what ink do you use on the 146? Love the Blue/ Purple ink. Thanks.
That was a while ago, can't remember what ink I used
Thank you for this video, I found it interesting and informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Ouch that feed fin!! Maybe you can find a feed used on eBay and replace it. It would bother me.
Good comparison even if it’s about the same pen. It was still worth it.
The fin doesn't bother me too much, adds character lol. Was annoyed when it happened but I don't really see it when I use the pen
Great review and comparison! Question - When you say that the MB 149 has a #9 nib, what does that mean? Does it refer to the width or length of the nib? Or is referencing the feed size/width?
The length and width change with an increase in size. The most common sizes you see are #5 and #6 nibs on pens. On those you can see the extra length and width between the #5 & #6. Same goes for the #9 on the MB149. The feeds are large to accommodate the large nibs as well.
I’ve been adding some pens over this last month and I think the one for nine will be my next pen. I bought two vanishing points this last week from pilot and I’m going to get an old Skywalker design with a rubber pattern delivered later this next week. I’m trying to find a nice pen holder that portable.
It's a great video comparison!
I don't think they are pieces of junk. On the contrary I think they have the potential to be worth their price IF they would do something more than cheap injected molded ABS plastic.
And I don't think the term "Precious resin" is just an unfortunate translation. Any company this big and with that kind of budget knows how to do a good translation. It's marketing fluff because a lot of people buying a 149 or 146 are people with money and want a nice pen. They aren't necessarily pen afficionados. They just read precious resin, think it means exactly what it says. And leave it at that.
I think proof of that there is no such gross mistranslations anywhere else in their advertisements or literature.
Thank you!!!
Bob
Liking #6 nibs, probably acquire the 146 vs 149, unless lottery jackpots are in my cards, lol.
I know you are just joking around about the lottery, but in my case I actually got some completely unexpected cash thrown at me, about $3k. My first thought was, oh boy, now I'm gonna buy me a new King of Pen ($800+). But after a lot of shopping around, I just couldn't pull the trigger. The voice inside my head says that's just too much money for a dang PEN. I wouldn't feel comfortable spending that much unless I had $5M in the bank. Which isn't happening in this lifetime.
Sorry for the long rant.
I have both 146 & 149...
Very good review . Thank you even though the pens are outside my budget.
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I think I still have a Montblanc or two somewhere; beautiful pens; the 'precious resin' is very nice plastic (with a cringe name); the nibs are fantastic. I'd just rather use my Pelikans.🤷♀ Montblanc is the Rolex of fountain pens -- it's the ONE brand that people outside the hobby know of / assume is the best. And, like Rolex, they're GOOD, but a substantial amount of it is marketing.
Depends how big your hands are. Large to xtra large hands go for the big boy. Also consider the weight. I have medium hands and the 146 is perfect.
Is it really just size that differs? Isn't the 146 14k and the 149 18k? Is 18k just a gimmick?
Where did you get that snake pen holder?
1. Please describe how the 149 experience is better than choking up on the 146 to the same distance from the paper.
2. I wonder how much these babies would cost if MB took the same mark up as, say, Jinhao. Just idle curiosity.
3. Informative review, thanks. I hadn't realized how similar they are.
1) For my hand size and writing style, holding a pen up close doesn't work for me. Further back is my style so the 149 fits better in that regard.
2) Let's say Jinhaos cost is $3 per pen and sell it for $9 that's a 300% markup. Take that same markup ratio to other brands as well and you're probably in the ballpark for pricing.
Heya, may I ask, where you got this fancy snake penholder? It looks awesome!
Wait where did you get the snake pen holder!?!?
what nib size are you suing on the 146 & 149?
The 146 was a medium and my 149 is a fine cursive italic that I ground myself
How mufor a new ebonite feed on a 149? Get a new one and keep the missing fin feed as a spare. The 149 is the winner for me.
I'd have to find a split ebonite one. Maybe one day but doesn't bother me too much. Was mad when I first discovered it, but doesn't impact anything. I'll never sell the pen anyways especially since the nib is ground & tuned just perfect for me.
@@Doodlebud Consider it a minor casualty to an excellent warrior!
Do you think 240 dollars is a good price for a 1988 Montblanc 146 ?
Should i get it ?
P. S. my monthly salary is 500 dollars. Actually it isn't dollars but local coin but that's the equivalent prices.
Video is great but the audio seems to be panned to the left too much. Thanks for the comparison.
I record & edit & run the whole channel from just my phone. Sometimes the audio & video isn't perfect
@@Doodlebud No problem. Just letting you know of something I noticed with the audio. Appreciate the content regardless! Thanks again.
What is the blue ink you’re using? Can you recommenda great quality navy blue?
Montblanc Royal Blue. Here's a vid if some of my favourite blue iks:
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I find most piston fillers too difficult to clean. Considering I don't go through ink super quickly, I don't find them worth it.
Next time can you do more writing
Buddy I don’t the broken feeder. I’ll buy your used 149 and you can get yourself another one.
Never selling this one, it's my baby. Missing fin gives it character
what ink did you use for 146? 149?
No idea what I used when I did the video
Looked like that Blue had some nice Black sheening... and yes I might have a problem when it comes to inks/pens/stationary lol @@Doodlebud
Overpriced? Certainly? Load of crap? No. Would I get one? Not with my own money, probably at any price. 😄
Yeah. To me the branding hype, let alone the premium you pay for it, is a stigma I couldn't bear. That's why my grail is a King of Pen, which no banker has ever heard of. Except Hemingway Jones, of course.
@@ichirofakename Hemingway Jones is an honourable exception on a number of fronts.
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I'm thrilled for you.
That's not a snowflake, it's the Star of David. 1:43
No. The Montblanc logo represents a top-down view of the snow capped mountain of which the company is named Montblanc.
For Gentlemen - 149
For Ladies - 146
Overstated. The 146 is only small compared to the 149. The 146 is a respectable medium girth pen like many others. For women with smaller hands, the 144 is a better choice.
I’m a woman with small hands. I like my MB 149.
@@cloudybeforerain7134 Absolutely! I have small hands for a man and I like big, girthy pens. I find I can comfortably write with large, medium and smaller pens as long as the nib and feed are of high quality. Vintage pens were generally smaller than they are today, but everybody used them and size didn't appear to be an issue. One reason is the quality of the nibs then were generally better than many pens today.
@@jaystone4816 I think it’s also because, in the past, people were taught how to write properly, observing good posture and ergonomics and therefore, pens could be smaller and thinner. These days, we all tend to slouch and the use of biros in schools has ruined penmanship for many people. If you ever watch period dramas in which a fountain pen features, you can tell an actor who has taken the time to learn proper penmanship by the way the pen is held. You can also spot those who haven’t, which can be painful viewing.