The scraping sound before the crash seems to indicate he may have exceeded the lean limit of the bike. Shows that the rider is absolutely fearless. ..because most folks don't even come close to the medium lean range of the bike...On a sportbike, you can exceed the angle of traction..if your equipment is touching the ground..your wheels have lost traction.
Two words for that, bugger or bollocks. When I came off recently (brain malfunction) I distinctly remember say "bugger!" to myself as I went down. I was fine and almost no damage to my bike.
Not to mention people should see for themselves that it's not like doing it in something like Ride 4. Moto gymkhana is extremely difficult and learning it takes time and a lot of practice... with crashes.
Must agree competely :). It takes time and sometimes you got bruises here and there, but at the same time it is so rewarding and fun activity! I'm not susprised this sport is born in Japan, because, like judo, you move in circles and use inertia :). Thanks for watching!
Just wandering...do you use the throttle all through the corners?! Or do you let go of the throttle when you go through the corner? And rear brake the whole time? Thanks!
Hey, thanks for comment! Yes, I use throttle, you need to have traction from the engine through the corner. It is better of course to have idle RPM's raised and then just roll off the throttle before the turn. But if you have factory RPM, then you should close the throttle, brake with the front and then add little throttle to have the traction. Then control lean and speed with the rear. Links for inspiration: My "unlisted video"- listen to the sound of the engine before turn, it rises little bit and then turn is controlled by the rear: czcams.com/video/_jneSAdj_pw/video.html Mogy explains GP8 figure and braking (english subs): czcams.com/video/vCvMpO4YLtI/video.html Mogy's video showing how and when to use brakes for turns (body language, no explantion needed :)): czcams.com/video/UHbyWQBDIBA/video.html
@@BenDrawings Your'e welcome :). Also please search CZcams for training advice, there are plenty of amazing motogymkhana riders already sharing their insights and recommendations, these are great learning resources- for example Mogy channel (the guy from Germany), also Lexco Moto Gymkhana (czcams.com/channels/GCgacyY3AKcbQh03k3gGZA.html) , also on this Ramkhana channel there is lot of amazing MG material, also some training videos with EN subs czcams.com/users/Ramkhana.
From watching other gymkhana videos it looks like you fixed your neck, rather than turning your head to pick your next turn-in point ahead of time, got dizzy, and forgot where you were in space (affecting your balance). That's just a critique as I'm wanting to absorb all I can before I have a go at it myself. How close am I to dissecting your drop?
Hey, your insight can be quite close! I still struggle to do proper head/body turn during my practice quite often. Most annoying thing- I remind myself each time before I leave the gates "turn your head, turn your head", but this "message" somehow disappears as I approach the cone... So one thing is to know how to do stuff properly and completely another to actually DO :).
Crashes in my experience comes only in two categories: a) you loose grip b) you loose balance. I think 99% of my crashes are b). I don't recall exactly this one on the video, but yeah, angle was quite steep, probably peg scratched the ground, I panicked, rolled off the throttle and here you go :).
@@KestasLi I was practicing getting my knee down and this is exactly what happened! Old video I know but do you have any tips to get these high lean angles?
@@rooneyw2208 Hey, thanks for the comment! If you have a possibility- get the training or ask an experienced instructor. If this is not available- make videos of your riding. The thing is your feelings are lying in most cases- you think you riding with good lean until you look at the video :)... So making a video is helpful, but it lacks kind of "real time" feedback because you look at the video AFTER your ride. Last season I was using a kind of "hi-tech" way of monitoring my lean angle (czcams.com/video/DhBqAzLl_1A/video.html), but maybe something as simple as a piece of plastic on footpegs would do the job as well. The goal is to push yourself to deeper and deeper lean angles and get used to that! Regarding my video, please keep in mind this kind of training was targeted at motogymkhana practice and done in a closed environment, I never do this on public roads and do not encourage others to do that. Also, check Motojitsu channel, he has good training videos and good philosophy regarding knee down :).
...also take into account that motorcycles differ in regards to lean angle- with KTM Duke you lean, and the motorcycle will happily keep going. Later I switched to the Triumph Street Triple 675, and this machine is quite an animal to keep it leaned over! The second you release pressure on the internal handlebar it will stand in a blink! So you should adjust your technique for the motorcycle you ride.
Hey, good to hear you are going to learn new stuff! Sliders- best investment for the motorcycle, although I would go straight to the kind of "stunt protection". Regular sliders usually are designed for 1-2 crashes + not to damage your bike's look too much... But if you start to train more it is not unusual to fall few times during 1 hour training session :)...
Tight corners are extremely fun to learn and first thing which will probably suprise you- more speed is needed to turn tight! Check MotoJitsu channel on youtube, he has some really good tutorials (e.g. this one czcams.com/video/p3_UzIcS1bk/video.html)!
@@KestasLi thanks for the recommendation of the stunt protection, it would really take a while for us to earn something in this protectors, because of tight budget, but buying quality once is always a must for us, thank you also for recommending this channel for us (me and my brothers) to learn from
@@Yakigami by "stunt protection" i mean anything that can protect your bike from more than one fall. There are quite lot of motogymkhana riders who build protection by themselves. Of course for this you need some engineering, metal work and welding skills :).
Hi, unfortunately I have no experience on the track and never did "knee dragging"- this technique is rarely used in motogymkhana, so I haven't paid much attention to that :) (at least for now). I think MotoJitsu channel have tons of info how to do this properly, so I would recommend to check his videos. My closest thing to knee dragging probably was "gloves dragging" on KTM :) czcams.com/video/rMn9AtCsxmM/video.html . Thanks for the comment!
@@KestasLi basically motogymkhana has this approach or technique and may not be applied to others... just curious what would be the best benifit of this skill set or technique?
Yes, different disciplines usually have their ways of doing things "properly" :). I think motogymkhana is closest to what is called "street riding"- you rarely move faster than 50-70km/h, have to turn tight going slow and brake/accelerate effectively. All these elements are extremely important in MG training and competitions. So my take is that you improve street riding skills by practicing motogymkhana. Besides that to train MG you don't need special race track, racing license and special motorcycle. So IMHO it is much more accessible = you can train more :). I don't think other disciplines are not useful, I just think MG is closest to the regular street experience. P.S. I'm not talking about folks riding 180km/h in the city, they probably should take some other training :)...
@@KestasLi thank you very much!!! Really appreciate the feedback🙏🙏🙏...i'm very new to the riding world. And i have CB650R as my first bike, i dropped it several times and still learning not to drop it again :)
Thanks! I'm quite new to the motorcycle riding, and I mostly train motogymkhana. These guys very rarely use "hanging out" because MG course is quite tight and you don't have time to move your ass from side to side. So the goal is to stay more/less neutral on the bike and this was my attempt to do exactly that :)... But yes, I agree, I need to try track days to experience different style of riding :).
@@KestasLi I also do motogymkhana so i understand you, i had the same problem. Search "hanging off mike on bikes" on youtube he explains it all in detail :)
Hey, there is no way I would try this on the street! But playing in the parking lot is quite fun & useful. Because you learn very quickly how stupid and inexperienced you are... Then you become more humble on the street, which IMHO is good thing :). Thanks for comment!
@@KestasLi Amen brother! I was in no way directed the comment against you. I see way too many cocky dumbasses speeding and leaning in ways street riders should never do. They endangering themselves and everyone else around them by riding like they are on track. This is awesoome what you doing as long as you stay in a mostly controlled space. Keep at it!
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Crashes are parts of learning the limit of the bike and our skills.
The scraping sound before the crash seems to indicate he may have exceeded the lean limit of the bike. Shows that the rider is absolutely fearless. ..because most folks don't even come close to the medium lean range of the bike...On a sportbike, you can exceed the angle of traction..if your equipment is touching the ground..your wheels have lost traction.
Two words for that, bugger or bollocks. When I came off recently (brain malfunction) I distinctly remember say "bugger!" to myself as I went down. I was fine and almost no damage to my bike.
Never mind about the last part. We can't be a good moto gymkhana rider without crashes....
Not to mention people should see for themselves that it's not like doing it in something like Ride 4. Moto gymkhana is extremely difficult and learning it takes time and a lot of practice... with crashes.
Must agree competely :). It takes time and sometimes you got bruises here and there, but at the same time it is so rewarding and fun activity! I'm not susprised this sport is born in Japan, because, like judo, you move in circles and use inertia :). Thanks for watching!
I love this! I so want to do this!
You were awesome up till then.
The hardest part of this exercise is blocking out the annoying music :)
thank you
are you using any brakes for this? front or rear?
Small inputs on the rear to control the speed.
how far apart are the cones for the square drill?
Hi, I don't remember exactly, probably ~4 parking places between cones, so around 10m I think.
You are good!
Thanks!
Just wandering...do you use the throttle all through the corners?! Or do you let go of the throttle when you go through the corner?
And rear brake the whole time?
Thanks!
Hey, thanks for comment! Yes, I use throttle, you need to have traction from the engine through the corner. It is better of course to have idle RPM's raised and then just roll off the throttle before the turn. But if you have factory RPM, then you should close the throttle, brake with the front and then add little throttle to have the traction. Then control lean and speed with the rear. Links for inspiration:
My "unlisted video"- listen to the sound of the engine before turn, it rises little bit and then turn is controlled by the rear:
czcams.com/video/_jneSAdj_pw/video.html
Mogy explains GP8 figure and braking (english subs):
czcams.com/video/vCvMpO4YLtI/video.html
Mogy's video showing how and when to use brakes for turns (body language, no explantion needed :)):
czcams.com/video/UHbyWQBDIBA/video.html
Kestas Li
thanks so much for the answer. Good and clear explanation. I’n going to take this advice to the parking lot!
@@BenDrawings Your'e welcome :). Also please search CZcams for training advice, there are plenty of amazing motogymkhana riders already sharing their insights and recommendations, these are great learning resources- for example Mogy channel (the guy from Germany), also Lexco Moto Gymkhana (czcams.com/channels/GCgacyY3AKcbQh03k3gGZA.html) , also on this Ramkhana channel there is lot of amazing MG material, also some training videos with EN subs czcams.com/users/Ramkhana.
got the same bike but not the same skills :) kudos
From watching other gymkhana videos it looks like you fixed your neck, rather than turning your head to pick your next turn-in point ahead of time, got dizzy, and forgot where you were in space (affecting your balance). That's just a critique as I'm wanting to absorb all I can before I have a go at it myself. How close am I to dissecting your drop?
Hey, your insight can be quite close! I still struggle to do proper head/body turn during my practice quite often. Most annoying thing- I remind myself each time before I leave the gates "turn your head, turn your head", but this "message" somehow disappears as I approach the cone... So one thing is to know how to do stuff properly and completely another to actually DO :).
@@KestasLi True. Practice and repetition builds muscle memory and all that stuff. Good luck. Now go set fast time!
Did you feel that you're at max lean or did fall occur unexpectedly? Do you think you could've prevented the fall?
Crashes in my experience comes only in two categories: a) you loose grip b) you loose balance. I think 99% of my crashes are b). I don't recall exactly this one on the video, but yeah, angle was quite steep, probably peg scratched the ground, I panicked, rolled off the throttle and here you go :).
the guy had no body position lol he was doomed to fall from the start
@@KestasLi I was practicing getting my knee down and this is exactly what happened! Old video I know but do you have any tips to get these high lean angles?
@@rooneyw2208 Hey, thanks for the comment! If you have a possibility- get the training or ask an experienced instructor. If this is not available- make videos of your riding. The thing is your feelings are lying in most cases- you think you riding with good lean until you look at the video :)... So making a video is helpful, but it lacks kind of "real time" feedback because you look at the video AFTER your ride. Last season I was using a kind of "hi-tech" way of monitoring my lean angle (czcams.com/video/DhBqAzLl_1A/video.html), but maybe something as simple as a piece of plastic on footpegs would do the job as well. The goal is to push yourself to deeper and deeper lean angles and get used to that! Regarding my video, please keep in mind this kind of training was targeted at motogymkhana practice and done in a closed environment, I never do this on public roads and do not encourage others to do that. Also, check Motojitsu channel, he has good training videos and good philosophy regarding knee down :).
...also take into account that motorcycles differ in regards to lean angle- with KTM Duke you lean, and the motorcycle will happily keep going. Later I switched to the Triumph Street Triple 675, and this machine is quite an animal to keep it leaned over! The second you release pressure on the internal handlebar it will stand in a blink! So you should adjust your technique for the motorcycle you ride.
holy hell body position dude...
still waiting for our sliders to come and learn how to ride our bike at low speeds, I'm still waddling in tight corners.
Hey, good to hear you are going to learn new stuff! Sliders- best investment for the motorcycle, although I would go straight to the kind of "stunt protection". Regular sliders usually are designed for 1-2 crashes + not to damage your bike's look too much... But if you start to train more it is not unusual to fall few times during 1 hour training session :)...
Tight corners are extremely fun to learn and first thing which will probably suprise you- more speed is needed to turn tight! Check MotoJitsu channel on youtube, he has some really good tutorials (e.g. this one czcams.com/video/p3_UzIcS1bk/video.html)!
@@KestasLi thanks for the recommendation of the stunt protection, it would really take a while for us to earn something in this protectors, because of tight budget, but buying quality once is always a must for us, thank you also for recommending this channel for us (me and my brothers) to learn from
@@Yakigami by "stunt protection" i mean anything that can protect your bike from more than one fall. There are quite lot of motogymkhana riders who build protection by themselves. Of course for this you need some engineering, metal work and welding skills :).
Hi, when to do the knee dragging?
Hi, unfortunately I have no experience on the track and never did "knee dragging"- this technique is rarely used in motogymkhana, so I haven't paid much attention to that :) (at least for now). I think MotoJitsu channel have tons of info how to do this properly, so I would recommend to check his videos. My closest thing to knee dragging probably was "gloves dragging" on KTM :) czcams.com/video/rMn9AtCsxmM/video.html . Thanks for the comment!
@@KestasLi thanks, yeah i also followed motojitsu :)
@@KestasLi basically motogymkhana has this approach or technique and may not be applied to others... just curious what would be the best benifit of this skill set or technique?
Yes, different disciplines usually have their ways of doing things "properly" :). I think motogymkhana is closest to what is called "street riding"- you rarely move faster than 50-70km/h, have to turn tight going slow and brake/accelerate effectively. All these elements are extremely important in MG training and competitions. So my take is that you improve street riding skills by practicing motogymkhana. Besides that to train MG you don't need special race track, racing license and special motorcycle. So IMHO it is much more accessible = you can train more :). I don't think other disciplines are not useful, I just think MG is closest to the regular street experience.
P.S. I'm not talking about folks riding 180km/h in the city, they probably should take some other training :)...
@@KestasLi thank you very much!!! Really appreciate the feedback🙏🙏🙏...i'm very new to the riding world. And i have CB650R as my first bike, i dropped it several times and still learning not to drop it again :)
What is your tires ?
I don't exactly remember make of the tyres, they are stock KTM390 2019 model. I think they use some sort of Metzeler's.
I sold KTM and now ride Triumph Triple with Michelin PowerPilot3.
You need to offset the bike with your body in order for you to not upsetting the bike's suspension
Thanks! I'm quite new to the motorcycle riding, and I mostly train motogymkhana. These guys very rarely use "hanging out" because MG course is quite tight and you don't have time to move your ass from side to side. So the goal is to stay more/less neutral on the bike and this was my attempt to do exactly that :)... But yes, I agree, I need to try track days to experience different style of riding :).
@@KestasLi I also do motogymkhana so i understand you, i had the same problem.
Search "hanging off mike on bikes" on youtube he explains it all in detail :)
Sound track sounds similar to porno movies from the 70’s.
Where are the limits?
Dont try to lean like Marquez on the streets.
Hey, there is no way I would try this on the street! But playing in the parking lot is quite fun & useful. Because you learn very quickly how stupid and inexperienced you are... Then you become more humble on the street, which IMHO is good thing :). Thanks for comment!
@@KestasLi Amen brother! I was in no way directed the comment against you. I see way too many cocky dumbasses speeding and leaning in ways street riders should never do. They endangering themselves and everyone else around them by riding like they are on track. This is awesoome what you doing as long as you stay in a mostly controlled space. Keep at it!