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- "You gangsters and your "justice." You're all the same."
Season 6 Episode 9 Fun and Games: Gus attempts to smooth things over with the cartel, while Mike ties up loose ends north of the border.
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A corrupt father with an innocent son, and an innocent father with a corrupt son.
Do you mean Walter?
@@kirada7017 Mike
@@kirada7017 Would be corrupt father with crippled son
@@markusp9569😂😂😂😂😂😂
Really makes this ‘2 different sides of the fence’ thing sooo much more powerful
Mike always had the moral high ground in every conversation he was in. Even when he dies it’s only after putting Walt in his place. Only when he speaks to a genuinely decent man is he left with nothing to say. A simple upholstery shop owner is the only one who could ever put Mike in his place.
Yeah like when he yelled at his granddaughter
Well said.
Casper did that too
@@desolatesurvivalgaming8412 *Werner Ziegler
Also Mike can't speak Spanish so he might’ve really not understood what Varga said
Nacho’s father was probably the most honest and honorable person in the entire Breaking Bad universe.
Yet he couldn't be bothered to save his son's life
@@liljackypaper What was he to do, take on the whole cartel? There was no good choice for papa varga. I have little doubt that the man likely died pretty soon after this of a broken heart. Out of all fathers on this show none loved their children more than this man. He was the only one to make the hard choice and be real with his son - and himself. Nacho knew it too that's why he tried so hard to keep in touch with his dad. You think a bad father would have that amount of respect and love from his son otherwise? Nacho just realized his father's teachings too late (my guess, we don't see young Nacho obviously but it is quite clear his dad tried multiple times to get him to stay clear of trouble.) Never once, ONCE, did nacho blame his dad or suggest his father was in the wrong. Sure he got frustrated but he clearly respected his dad and just wanted him to be safe.
@@milesdavis607 all he had to do was get out of town so Nacho could run without being worried about his father getting hurt. Simple as that
@@liljackypaper ignoring that for 80% of the time papa varga had no idea what was going on, the other 20%, he was never going to leave without his son. The second papa varga bounced town the salamancas would kill his son immediately. Nacho didn't understand that until later. Not to mention - if he started to run, where would it be safe? It likely takes all he has to run that place and without money you're not going to get far before the cartel catches up to you.
@@liljackypaperhe always told Nacho to go to The police. Also, he was in the dark about the activities of his son.
The contrast from Gus saying "I'm different from the Salamancas" to Papa Varga saying "You are all the same" is so strong. Fun and Games was such a heartbreaking episode 😭
Best episode of season 6B. Love how it undid the whole Mike is a good criminal, Walter is a bad criminal myth. Having code of ethic or not, Mike is still a criminal who benefits from someone else’s misery. He isn’t that far above Walter.
@@nont18411 I’d argue that Mike is still far above Walter but that’s less because Mike is some sort of honest criminal and more because Walt is just that horrible
@@noahsullivan288 agreed. They're more similar than both would have liked to admit.
Mike's son would have hated the 'work' his father's done and Kaylee (and her daughter) wouldn't have liked the money even if they did end up getting it, if they'd knew what Mike did for it.
Same as Walter claimed he did it for his family, although with Walt his ego played a muucchh bigger role in his work and how he did it.
it's all fun and games until last season comes around
nope... that glance down by mike shows he understands.... he IS just like all the others... he may of came to it buy different circumstances but he is the same nonetheless.
This scene feels like the writers wanted to have a serious dig at the fans who thought Mike was a good person despite him being a criminal, and it comes off perfectly with only a few words spoken by Manuel. The shot where Mike is behind the gate while Manuel is free also gave it a beautiful piece of symbolism that separates the two men.
i like your take on this, especially when we take in consideration Mike's "criminal vs bad guy" monologue in the beginning of the show in which the audience sees mike as this criminal caught up in illegal things but with a good heart. This idea of him is shown further in the episode five-o. In the end, mike isn't entirely wrong about criminals not always being bad people, but the bottom line is when criminality brings about the suffering of other people, who cares if the person was good at heart if innocent people suffer. idk, just my take
It reminds me a bit of the scene in the Sopranos where Carmella sees a therapist. Both shows reminding us that the characters we love are still bad people.
@@theWn123 Yep, no matter how much these characters may try to have something like a code of honor, they are still criminals at the end of the day who hurt innocent people, whether they like it or not.
The only thing i would disagree on is the scene with the fence. Mike wasnt caged in, he could move "freely" . I think its more a display of a strong contrast between two worlds who could never meet, but only certain indivuals may try to talk and see eye to eye right through the fence, while the seperation was still so obvious.
@ScoutTrooper164x1j I agree that "the shot where Mike is behind the gate while Manuel is free also gave it a beautiful piece of symbolism that separates the two men." There is no coming back from being a criminal, i.e., "once you're in, you're in, and the only way out is jail or a coffin." This is the "cage" that criminals live in. If you notice, this is actually a theme for the entire episode. When Gus is at the wine bar, he momentarily fools himself into believing he could live a normal happy life, only to come to the realization that deep down he knows he can never leave the criminal life behind him, that he can never truly let his guard down, that he is forever trapped in this cage. The only character who is able to "get out" of the cage is Kim, even though it breaks her heart and Jimmy's heart, she's smart enough to know it's now or never. "It's all fun and games until someone get's hurt."
Kim and Jimmy breaking up in this episode is one thing
Seeing two Dads that both outlived their sons is another thing
Fun and Games was a heartbreaking episode
Exactly. Mike was hearthbroken after their talk because he knew what was coming for Nacho's dad. He understood first hand the hell he was going to go through for the rest of his life, and that genuinely hurt Mike. He is far from a good person, but for me he had the highest morality of any criminal in the BCS/BB universe, maybe except for Jesse
This was the final episode of the BCS timeline. The final 4 episodes have BrBa flashbacks but mostly take place in the post BrBa timeline.
@@HannibalKantter Jesse had no morality at all he was just a criminal to be a criminal and realize he could turn his life around
@@Pwilliams4000 that is so ridiculously far from the truth
@@hellotherehru4309 it’s better than people acting like Jesse is innocent lol
"what you talk about is not justice. what you talk about is.. revenge." my favorite line in the whole series. really makes you question morality and shows this whole fring v salamanca war is pointless.
Nacho's dad was above it all. And Nacho had his heart, too. I'm convinced that, in a way, Mike came here to announce that to him in order to punish himself. I feel like Mike feels terribly guilty for not being able to save Nacho. And his way of punishing himself is to see the pain he knows too well in the eyes of Ignacio's dad.
And showing the cycle of vengeance only ends in destruction for both parties which is exactly what happened.
I'm sorry. I appreciate the ideals of Nacho's dad but his idea of justice is just pretty naive. He thinks justice is being in jail and that's all. And that's not 'real' justice. There are many types of justice, so a sole answer of which is correct is impossible, it depends on your believes, but, despite legal system mainly pretending that jail and those 'punishments' are meant to reform the criminals, they do not. They do not even have the intention. Why do you think victims and their families get joy when a criminal gets in jail or maybe death sentence? Not because the criminal will change or correct what they did, but because they will suffer, it is retributive justice. Another way it is called? vengeance. The only difference here is the State is the one giving the retribution and not the victim by their hand, and that's supposed to avoid a potential vengeance cycle between the two parts. But the issue is the same. It's still retributive justice, in this case, just as Michael is promising Nacho's father.
@@samsepiol4908 you don't get it... nacho's dad is a christian, he thinks only GOD can make justice, it's not up to individual humans... any form of individual vendetta is just that, revenge
@@joeminier1736 "Justice" for them is never gonna end, sadly it's the same in the real world.
The “I’m sorry my Spanish isn’t good” is a great yet subtle way to bring Mike’s character down a notch. Not assuming dad would have a moral qualm and assuming he doesn’t understand when he questions him. Shows that Mike is extremely airtight in his convictions and genuinely believes in them, to the point of stubbornness. Mike always thought he had a moral high ground over his coworkers and got issued a reality check here.
Ya, I think this is the only time that Mike seems to second guess himself.
@@Tech-wp2bh Let people have fun ffs. In contrast to your english teacher, nobody forced you to read this comment.
Also when he says to Walt that they “had a good thing”, that thing he’s talking about is a drug empire that ruined countless lives.
Yeah he was complicit. Mike is very very similar to Walter. Probably that’s why Mike is so angry at Walter, cause Walter reminds him of himself.
@@bruhmoment1761 It's the other way around. Mike is everything that Walter gaslighted himself to be: a man who is doing dirty business for the sake of his family. Problem always was Walter was incredibly unpredictable and that's why the entire drug empire dissolved
Both of these men had their sons killed by bad people. Mike’s sense of justice was revenging on the the killers of his son. He thinks that Nacho’s father believes in the same justice, but he thinks differently (and he’s wiser).
And so the shot at 3:16 represents Mike remaining in prison and Nacho’s father leaving it behind. Mike’s ‘justice’ has only left him in the midst of this *never ending cycle*, while Nacho’s father knows he should move on.
Mike's sense of justice has been so twisted by Gus and his plastic righteousness that he forgets that he literally sent Nacho to his death and acts like the Salamancas are to blame.
Nacho would have escaped if Gus hadn't decided to kill him
@@thepowerofsand6180I always felt Gus’s ‘revenge’ line to Mike was still not convincing enough for Mike to rejoin him. I guess the writers struggled to find a better way for Mike to rejoin Gus after the whole Ziieegler incident
@@GoGetYourShinebox when Mike talked about "justice" in this scene, my initial thought was that he was gonna go for Gus. Because, yea, you're right, Gus is the one who sent Nacho to his death. I think it was after this talk with Nacho's dad that he finally dropped the idea of getting revenge for Nacho.
This is the comment I was looking for! Glad you noticed these subtle references. Throughout the scene you can also see only half of their faces and only when Nacho's father leaves, you can see his full face while Mike still has a dark side. The grieving fathers' reference is so powerful and them standing with a fence in between just signifies the two sides of the same coin. Kudos to you noticing the 3.16 shot. Even I didn't realise the subtle veil of the fence showing only Mike is trapped. This show was brilliant in all levels! Kudos to the camera team as well
At the risk of sounding preachy, Nacho's father opted for the Christian option, breaking the cycle of destruction
Many people don't like the way Mike died, but I think differently just because of this scene. Mike didn't die in heroic style or among his family, but ended up like any other criminal. Shot by a drug lord and dissolved in acid, never to be found by his loved ones. Nacho's father said what many don't seem to see, is that Mike is not a good person on a bad path, he chose it himself and is just like the other gangsters he faced.
Mile couldn't even get his nest egg to Katie, crime doesn't pay.
@@marlex3073 the sad part is that a very obscure part of Mike's character is that he is an *amazing* security team lead. With military experience he *should* have been an amazing security consultant, probably one of the best. He could have worked legitimately and made a lot of money for Katie.
@@jacobp.2024 it's because deep down Mike loves the thrill of crime. He's just like Walt, always using family as an excuse for his crimes, he just hides it much better. Just like Walt, there were several opportunities where Mike could've quit the 'game' for good, but he kept going back in, using his family and the Salamancas as excuses. Mike's 'moral high grounds' approach is all just copium. He is the enforcer and (eventually) right-hand man of a drug kingpin, how moral can he be really? His actions will continue to perpetuate and enable the drug trade and its destruction on communities, there is no silver lining to this. He's as evil as the rest of 'em.
Was never a huge Breaking Bad fan, but I love this show so much more. Loved Mike's death though. Very understated for such a badass character
@@danielzboy He's not like Walter in the sense that Walt was greedy, arrogant and narcissistic. Yes, he used his family as an excuse, but he also indulged in his earnings. Mike wasn't greedy. He was fine where he was and had his money transferred to an account that was for his granddaughter. So whether it was an excuse for Mike or not, you can't deny he actually gave his family money.
The way Papa Varga said, "My boy is gone" was heartbreaking. It definitely shook Mike to his core, since he broke his boy and it got him killed. Nacho's dad tried his best to keep his son out of a life of crime, but ultimately failed since he was in too deep.
At the same time, they do a good job of portraying both a realization and a lack of surprise from Papa Varga, he knew this day was coming for years, he knew it was only a matter of time, he has had a lot of time to grieve Nacho's inevitable outcome.
Parents are not to blame for their children's actions. You can be parent of the year and still have terrible children and that will not be necessary your fault because children are not only children of their parents but also children of their friends, children of their teachers at school and children of the times or countries in which they were born into. It is NEVER the parents' total "fault" if their children turn out bad or good.
@@AndresFelipe0402 it is and it isn’t
Environment usually is what drives kids to act that way, so it’s usually either the parent or a third component the parent isn’t aware of
@@AndresFelipe0402wrong. parents are always at fault for their “CHILDREN”. Once they are adults, the equation changes. however a parent IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY THING THE CHILD INTERACTS WITH. a friend, a teacher, the internet.
always the parent. always.
3:13 love it how there's nothing over papa varga, showing he's free but there's a chainlink fence over mike showing how he's trapped and almost like a prisoner of the criminal underworld, whether he likes it or not
3:28 ??
Yeah reminded me of the same scene in ATLA with Zuko and Uncle Iroh
@@shamsrahmanmugdho6383 they're referring to the side shot I believe
@@shamsrahmanmugdho6383 That's just a regular over shoulder shot like in 2:53 in which mike is behind the fence. The side by side shot is very intended and is just - once again - the result of brilliant writing and screenplay. It's also a great example of good editing because the shot starts with no dialogue but a reaction so you have plenty of time just watching at the shot. BCS is just different, every single shot is intended.
Bravo Vince
“You gangsters and your ‘justice.’ You’re all the same.”
Every time I see people defend Mike as a “good guy in a bad world” or something like it, I remember this line. Mike is just as complicit in everything that happens. Just because he has lines he won’t cross doesn’t make him better than Gus or the cartel.
It makes him better, but it doesn't make him good.
They all are bad people and they all end up dead and miserable, but to say there's no difference between Mike and a more ruthless criminal just feels dishonest. Morality is on a spectrum, at least to me..
@@DoomKidTrue, but what Mike is complicit with everything going on with Gus and actively supports him by helping him achieve his goals. He’s his muscle and top enforcer, he’s just as bad as Gus and the Cartel.
The world isn't purely black and white. "Good" and "bad". Grow up. It's a sea of grey.
@@tezz2698 was gonna say this, word for word. Manuel was there to show what an actually GOOD person is like.
You can understand now the affection that Mike develops for Jesse in Breaking Bad
Except … if it had been up to Mike, Jesse would have been murdered. It’s Walt that saved Jesse’s life when Mike wanted a “full measure” done.
@@Citiprime After that, Mike begins to develop an affection for him, notice that when this happens, Jesse has shaved hair and wears a black leather jacket, precisely Nacho's look.
@@Citiprime He was not wrong no half measures he lived it he saw the same thing happening again.
Mike tried to have him killed multiple times in the show. I don't know where you bozos come up with these fanfic-y head canons of yours
@@yaqubebased1961 After that, Mike begins to develop an affection for him, notice that when this happens, Jesse has shaved hair and wears a black leather jacket, precisely Nacho's look.
Nacho's dad understands how bad Mike is and you can see that he already knew that this moment will happend some time :(
Yeah he of course was sad, but in this scene it shows he made peace in his mind that his son will get himself into grave danger eventually. Or maybe he was too shocked to process it, but he wasn't as surprised so I would tend to the first option. Brutal scene.
Mike is not bad
EDIT: yeah he IS bad!!
I'm convinced that, in a way, Mike came here to announce that in order to punish himself. I feel like Mike feels terribly guilty for not being able to save Nacho. And his way of punishing himself is to see the pain (that he knows all too well) in the eyes of Ignacio's dad. The only difference is that Nacho's dad won't be seeking revenge. While Mike made the wrong choice of seeking revenge for his son. Ending on the "bad path" he talks so often about. Mike isn't a bad person. He made poor choices out of love for his son and hatred for his son's killers.
@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor he's wicked!
@@thatelise nah mikes a bad person. He’s personally killed many people, and had no problem working for a drug kingpin who has also done countless deplorable acts
Nacho's dad is the only innocent person in the whole show
Mikes granddaughter
@@MrPie5 she was the worst of the worst
Jane's father
yeah i thought about her the first i saw this comment
Howard Hamlin
He failed his son.
He failed Nacho.
He resigned himself to be a heartless and cold hitman.
And yet he couldn't help but to care about Jesse, and even though he didn't see it happen, Jesse was the one that got away.
He cared about Jesse after first trying to get Walt to kill him and then get to kill him himself haha.
@@bruhmoment1761 That's development tho. He was cold towards Jesse, from the moment they met, until Gus had them working together. He only warmed up to Jesse when they worked together, and when they went to Mexico. In season 5, Mike was constantly trying to look out for Jesse, and warned him about Walt. Too bad the boy didn't listen.
Him being called a gangster by Nacho's dad was the correct insult which applied to Mike, as much as he tried not to be one. Jesse got away thanks to the skills Mike taught him, compared to what Walt taught him which screwed his life up
3:13 one of my favorite shots in the series. Shows how despite what Mike thinks of himself, he is trapped in this miserable evil world while Nacho's father is free, despite the suffering that he just received hearing the fate of his son
the show is just a masterclass, so many perfect details..
Vince Gilligan really does outdo himself with these shows man.
Mike may be 100% right on Walter White ruining everything that Gus and he planned but Papa Varga is 100000% correct on everything that has happened to the criminal underworld and the cartel of BrBa and BCS.
No matter whether it’s Walter White, Mike, Jimmy/Saul, Kim, Chuck, Gus, The Salamancas, Eladio or Jack’s gang; they’re just as bad as each other.
There are no heroes in the Breaking Bad universe
My boy Howard is a hero.
Hank
Hank is said to be the main protagonist are you sure?
@@shamsrahmanmugdho6383 Hank should’ve turned Walt in the moment he learned the truth, it would’ve done the world a huge favor, but he was bent on turning in Walt himself because of his ego. He was also willing to let Jesse die just to get evidence on Walt
Nacho as well.
Love how this episode destroyed the myth that “Gus, Mike and Saul were doing just fine but Walt had to swoop in and ruin everything.”
All Gus, Mike and Saul already have their own self-destructive behavior. They will have their demise sooner or later. Walter just sped up the process.
Someone get the sense. Just because Walt's destroying what Gus & Mike has built upon does not necessarily means he is all at fault there. And Saul himself was shown that it was his choice to go along with Walt on his drug empire business.
It's because BB tells the whole story from Walt's perspective so we follow him through all his bad decisions and motivations but take him out of the equation and you'd see everyone dealing in the cartel was gonna get it at some point.
@@a4arick106 Jimmy practically got Howard killed and ruined the lives of everyone who worked at HHM after the firm had to be dissolved.
Walter is their demise, no thanks to walter himself
Even if Walter didn’t intervene in the criminal world they all eventually would meet their demise.
I love the “Justice” line, it’s so subtle. Mike thinks Mr. Varga doesn’t understand the English word “Justice” by the pause he gives, but he reassures him that he understands, and that it was Mike misusing the word “Justice” instead of “Revenge”.
man all the dads in the brba universe with their broken families
breaking bad truly just destroys lives, and not just the person who breaks bad in the first place
Breaking Dad, so to speak
what about Walter Jr. (Flynn)
walter jr lives but his family was completely broken by the end
he lost his uncle and his father, he has total distrust and shame towards his mother, and his mom's sister/aunt wants nothing to do with them
and consider thats the precedent of life that holly is going to grow up in, no one really wins in BB
"Your son made some mistakes; he fell in with bad people, but he was never like 'em. Not really. He had a good heart." Mike is simultaneously talking about Nacho and his own son here. Gives context to why Mike looked genuinely broken when Nacho pulled the trigger on himself. Matty's story has a lot of parallels to Nacho, which leads to a lot of self-discovery and reflection on the part of Mike as he transitioned from BCS to BB.
Is he much different from the end of BCS to BB.
If anything he's colder
@@thepowerofsand6180 I would say in BCS he seems to be much more affected by the choices he makes and the jobs he's tasked to do. But I think by BB he's fully accepted who and what he is and why he does it
No, Mike is talking about Nacho and himself. Mike's son wasn't the same. Its what got him killed. Mike keeps wanting to believe that while he does 'bad' things, HE is doing it for the right reasons.
probably why Mike got attached with Jesse too. he sees Nacho the same as his son, only that he failed to save him. Jesse on the otherhand, Mike sees redemption
bro, mike's son matt eventually caved in, it wasnt like he was pure.
I like how his dad didnt give off a reaction like weeping or something like that. Because he already knew it was gonna happen at one point so he was prepared and just took it
Such a brilliant scene. Mike has always been the wise criminal with a good heart. And I still think of him that way. But Nacho’s dad totally blew up Mikes “good criminal. Bad priest” philosophy.
Papa Varga. The moral center of the show.
Dude let how own son died because he was too stubborn to help him
@@liljackypaper he was stubborn but that doesn't make him a bad person. he was just very unaware of how the criminal underworld worked, he cared for his son and tried to get him to do what he thought would save him
@@kook1843 It's a strange thing, Nacho is willing to die to protect his father yet his father is not willing to compromise to protect his son.
@@Dekartzhe did tho. He took the money from hector for his son. He’d never have done it otherwise. Similar to mike’s son taking the money.
@@kook1843If he wasn't so naive his son wouldn't have had to die. Nacho fell in with bad people at an early age, its a father's job to look out for his children and he let Nacho pay the price in full for his actions. Nacho was an adult, but he got wrapped up in that bad business early, he basically had no choice. If he had listened to Nacho instead of riding his high horse he'd still have a son.
This. *This moment here.* This moment got me emotional. All Nachos dad wanted was for his baby boy to grow up and work in his business. And instead he got this. This hurts.
I don’t think people understand how on point the Mexican dynamic is. Especially between nacho and his dad. So heartbreaking and the way he just accepts it. Perfect. Literally perfect.
Yeah I see my dad in papa varga. Idk where they get it from but damn if this side of Mexican masculinity isn't just beautiful. We all know of destructive machismo but rarely is whatever this is called portrayed in media.
Mexicans aren’t special
The visual metaphor at 3:12 is brilliant. Mike is shown behind the fence whereas Nacho's dad is in the open. Mike is stuck in the cycle of revenge, the criminal underworld, "the game." Mike is in the prison that world creates, seeking revenge, "it never ends." On the other hand, Nacho's dad may have lost his son, but he is still free.
I have never seen Mike show a shred of regret on this show ever, until this scene... brilliant acting
Mike showed great regret when talking about the role he played in corrupting and the death of his own son
are u kidding? regret is one of the key components to his character
When he had to apologize to his daughter in law
@@tumbletunes3101 on reflection, you're correct - regret (and remorse) are key components to Mike's character - thanks for that
Or when he had to kill Werner, he was pretty devastated
I like how Mike thinks his speaking of „justice“ is a language barrier when in reality he has a understanding barrier of the word itself
one of my favorite things in this scene is how Mike is for once at a loss for words, literally and figuratively.
he's usually very confident and never misspeaks, but here once he says "justice" and is questioned by papa varga, he immediately stutters and goes "sorry my spanish is not good". nice way of showing how even he doesnt really know what he was talking about.
he may be fierce and serious with other characters like jimmy, jesse or walter, but when faced with someone who is actually aware of who he is, he is always left speechless.
It's not that he didn't know what he was talking about, he just thought there was a lost-in-translation moment; that Papa Varga may not have known the English word 'Justice' or its meaning. An honest mistake. He does seem to fall silent afterwards though, maybe because he got caught off-guard, but also because he's there to deliver tragic news, and knows from first-hand experience what it's like to be on the other end of that, so he doesn't want to argue with the man. Varga's in grief, he's just learned that his son was murdered, so he very much has the right of it. And Mike knows that what Varga's saying isn't untrue either, so he just leaves it well enough alone. It's the only thing to do in that kind of a situation. It gave him something to think about, a moment of introspection perhaps, and it humbled him.
@@logix8969 Mike is evil like the rest, pathetic.
I think there is an alternate interpretation to Mike saying "sorry my Spanish is not good". Mike is so focused and narrowminded on his warpath of revenge that he can't see anything else.
When Manuel Varga says "Justice?", Mike doesn't realize what he is questioning. Mike thinks he got lost in translation. When in reality Manuel understood perfectly and was questioning the distinction between Justice and Revenge. But Mike was so narrow minded in his beliefs that he couldn't even imagine a perspective where his own actions were not Justice.
Mike truly never considered his actions to be anything but Justice. So when Manuel questioned him, Mike thought that it was an issue with translation.
3:15: On one side, behind the fence, a "bad" dad with a good dead son, and on the other, a good dad with a "bad" dead son, one of my favorite scenes on the TV Show.
This scene, with the burial of Howard and Lalo scene, was my favorite subtle moment separating the "good" and the "bad" characters, it was an amazing hint from the creators. This, I think, is also a hint toward Mike's The Road of Choices speech with Jimmy, where two different father-and-son relationships were defined by the bad choices of one, driving each other apart, and in the end, the death of both sons. Leaving both fathers with the question, "When could I've chosen a better road for my son?".
Nachos father pretty much told what will happen to gus, the cartel, and mike. No one wins in revenge all lose or destroy one another
Feels like the father's dialogue is also towards the viewers. A lot of fans look up to Mike and sing praises about him but an honorable gangster is still a gangster. Mike is responsible for causing much misery yet is often regarded as blameless by the fans. Jimmy, Kim and Nacho are the only character who stopped looking for excuses and sought atonement for their crimes.
Don’t forget Jesse and Skyler.
well mike wasnt really given a chance to do that 💀
How did Kim do anything
@@welshmentheory621 Kim was part of the sociopathic plot against Howard. As he astutely pointed out, there was something “broken” in her.
She and Jimmy enabled each other too long.
@Welshmen Theory Kim went to the DA and was willing to turn herself in for her role in Howard's death, they didn't pursue criminal charges because of lack of evidence but she provided Cheryl with enough evidence to make her liable for his death in civil court.
What breaks my heart is I can see my father in Nacho’s father, especially as a Mexican and so I just ahhhh the feels man
What hurt Mike the most in this situation was the fact that he understood the pain what it was like to lose a son. He was probably thinking about the whole situation with losing his son, Matthew, to those corrupt police officers who set up him and shot him before he broke the news about Nacho’s death to his father. He probably felt extremely guilty that he couldn’t have done more to save Nacho and now he’s about to put another father through the same pain that he went through when his son Matt was gunned down in cold blood. The worst part is that despite the fact that Mike was the only dude who wanted to rescue Nacho and cut him loose, Papa Varga will never know that and will always think of him as nothing more than a dirty criminal who was in some way involved with Nacho’s death. Mike unintentionally put himself in the same shoes as the killers of his own son.
The more I rewatch BCS and BB the more I start to realize that the only thing that separated Mike is he wasn’t as cruel or psychopathic, but he was still just as bad as everyone else. He was never this “unsung hero” that the fanbase makes him out to be.
Exactly.
never too late
Not being cruel and psychopathic literally makes him a better person by definition.. not GOOD by any means, but to say there's no difference just feels dishonest.
Mike makes clear distinction between those in the game and those not in the game, and acts accordingly.
This DOES set him apart from many worse criminals in the show, especially the Salamancas and Walter.
3:13 I wonder if anybody noticed
In this episode, Mike was already behind the bars
However, in Felina (Breaking Bad 5x16), there's a similar camera shot on Walt and Jesse after Walt and Jesse had annihilated the neo-nazis, Walt was already behind the bars, while Jesse was walking towards the exit
Papa Varga seemed very quick to accept here that his son was dead. Though undoubtedly heartbroken, he wasn't surprised. He knew this would happen, the way Nacho was going.
Papa Varga's dead, tired eyes while running the sewing machine made me feel like he already knew that Nacho was possibly dead. If anything, Mike may have given him a glimmer of hope when he arrived bearing news.
His father was not even surprised, he definitely knew this could happen. Heartbreaking scene.
You can see that he still loved his son, despite the bad decisions.
Tragic.
3:13 - One is safe and has to bear the tragedy of losing their son, the other has lost both his son and his soul and is in the game.
that shot at 3:19 is an amazing shot, so perfectly encapsulating the divide between the 2 people. Mike is on one side of the fence, and is made to seem like he's in some sort of prison, a trap. and nacho's father, the innocent man who's life had been affected by it all.
Good catch. This and the shot of Jimmy at the courthouse in the JMM episode with half his face split by the double mirror are some of the best in TV.
@@MrTambourineMan. Honestly BCS and BB are second to none for subtle shots explaining more than dialogue ever could.
I like that Mr. Varga is working hard late into the night. He set a great example for his son, it is a shame he went down the path he did. One of the only genuinely good people in the BB universe.
Qué dolor me da ver a don Varga:(
Y su interacción con Mike, un padre también destruido por la pérdida de su hijo, pero un criminal a fin de cuentas.
El universo de Breaking Bad podrá ser ficticio, pero en México y Estados Unidos hay un montón de don Vargas y Mikes.
no podría haberlo dicho mejor
Well said
Cuando me fuí mojado viví un momento de dolor con una familia con la que me hospedé en Veracruz. El hijo mayor del maistro que me albergaba murió en un tiroteo contra el cartel rival. Ví a una madre llorando, un padre arrepentido y una hermana confundida.
Luego de eso, volví a mi país y ví BCS y Breaking Bad. Me dolió ver que esta serie hubiese sido una perfecta advertencia de no haber hecho ese viaje.
Don Varga, the 4th cartel boss
Don Eladio, Don Hector, Don Bolsa, Don Varga
Поверь друг, криминал есть везде.
Nacho's dad is the reality check Mike needed. He's not working for criminals, he is a criminal. Through and through.
He uses their words, their reasoning, and their actions.
Anyone else reminded of Gus saying "Revenge" to Mike in the Mexican village? Gus always knew he wanted revenge. He never prettied it up by calling it justice. And Senior Vargas - he immediately calls Mike out for his BS when Mike claims he will bring justice for his son. All Mike can offer is revenge, and Senior Vargas knows it better than Mike.
This can be taken as a foreshadow to Mikes downfall. He ends up losing everything he’s worked for in part because he refuses to kill “his guys” when they end up in prison. His reasoning is that it’s the right thing to do. But that leads to Hank and Gomez busting him. If he had given up the lie that he’s a “good criminal” and do what Gus or the Salamancas would have done, he would have been fine. But he didn’t accept Nacho’s dads and continued living the lie of that faulty philosophy and ended up paying the price
2:36 the man who would unknowingly carry out all of that justice and deserving carnage would be Heisenberg. Walter White was the ragnarok of the Salamanca’s and Gus’s empire. It’s one of the reasons why he’s my favorite character in this universe.
So you didn’t understand anything about the scene did you?
@@davidmonnier6477 I think they understand it fine. The OP's point does make sense. Ragnarök is the destruction of the world (or in this case, the cartel). The OP didn't suggest that Walt was good, just that he was destructive.
The last of Mike’s humanity ends with this conversation
I mean, he definitely showed humanity in bb, especially with Jesse
Mike's hardest reminder that he has become no better than Matty's killers.
One of the saddest parts of this scene is the realization that even if Nacho died, he still couldn't exit the criminal underworld he was so desperate to walk out of.
Nacho was the original Jesse. He made me cry when he died
Underrated comment 👏
Mike almost seemed confused that he got called one of them gangsters. He got his own morality throughout the series. For him avenging his son was justice.
Yeah but as the show goes on he goes from getting "revenge" on his sons killers to executing Werner and then finally sending Nacho to his death.
He lost his morality along the way
@@thepowerofsand6180 with Werner and nacho it was more like being an executor. He thought it is better he does it. He also thought Gus would be better than the alternative (probably). Morality is no black and white. You defend terrible actions until you slide deeper and deeper into the dark side. Only Nacho's father understood that in the entire show
Two fathers who lost there sons
Two fathers who deal with there sons death in drastically different ways
Everything about this scene hit hard mike standing outside of the fence
His idea of justice being challenged Mike reassuring nachos father that he will be avenged and nachos father doesn't want justice because it will never end and that's what Mike never realized there is no end to it there is no justice because it will never bring back his son
I can’t imagine the blood rush when someone tells you that your son won’t be found.
"I'm sorry, your son didn't have plot armour."
“I’m sorry, but your son wasn’t in breaking bad”
@@anunoriginaljoke5870"I'm sorry, your son broke bad, but he never called Saul."
someone pointed it out probably already, but the fence is used so well here. Mike's a criminal, Mr. Varga isn't. Mike tried to give Nacho's Dad and himself peace by breaking news of Nacho's death. Mike tries to console the dad by saying there will be justice, but Mr. Varga doesn't understand. Mike assumes it's a language barrier issue, when instead its an issue of the lawful right way, and the criminal and savage way, a barrier literally represented by the fence.
Also at 3:15 mike is totally enclosed in the shot by the fence, Mr. Varga isn't. That might represent Mike's inability to leave the criminal life, as he's looking at Mr. Varga, a man Mike respects, who doesn't have the same deadly restraints. Mike is eventually taken by his way of life in Breaking Bad.. obviously.
I see things more like Nacho's dad. There was an outpouring of sympathy for Mike and anger at Walt when he killed him. But people have selective memory when it comes to Mike, forgetting that it was Walt that would have been dead first at Mike's hands, had he not outwitted him. Just because it was at the order of his boss, doesn't make Mike any less guilty in this life.
Exactly!!
+ Mike also dissolved Drew Sharp’s corpse but since he’s a likable character unlike Walter and Todd, the fans only blamed Walter and Todd for it while considering Mike to be blameless.
3:13 I like the visual symbolism of Mike being in a cage and Nacho's dad is free from the clutches of the gangs
Mike's last scene in BCS, and a full circle moment. Mike went from the beginning of the show, where he was just the father of a son who was killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, to the man who turns a place into the wrong place.
'Fun and Games' is such a heart-breaking episode for a multitude of (obvious) reasons. Which is a bizarre contrast with how light-hearted and entertaining the last scene is with Saul in the Breaking Bad timeline.
Not quite my favourite episode, but it's up there for sure!
One little detail that gets overlooked, Papa Varga’s english improves as the show goes on. At the beginning he was relying on Nacho for translation. As Nacho drifted apart, I guess he had to rely more on learning the language to carry on his business.
“What you talk about is not justice. What you talk of is revenge. It never ends…”
This is why Papa Varga is the true MVP, he foresaw Breaking Bad.
True MVP? Guy let his only son die to teach him a lesson lmao
@@liljackypaper Nacho kept leaving him in the dark about what was going on. Manuel made it clear to go to the police.
Nachos dad is the most real person and really shows that the whole cartel war is pointless
How did he learn English?? In the beginning of the series he didn’t speak English here he speaks well. It’s one of the biggest plot holes here
@@footballfan283 I don’t remember much from the earlier seasons but he did speak English, but just chose to speak Spanish with nacho because that’s probably the main language they spoke at home
@@MoMonarch Nacho had to translate for him to Mike. It is a pretty big plothole
The fact that mike is framed in gates in all the shots, signifying that he’s stuck in a prison of crime, damn this show is good
Michael Mando's performance is stellar, and he deserves all the adulation he's received, but Juan Carlos Cantu is just sooo natural in this role. Every scene is with him is a masterpiece.
As invulnerable and unflappable as Mike was in the criminal world, the few times he's ever put in his place, it's by utterly blameless "civilians".
The intensity of this scene with the deep voice of both these characters makes it one of the toughest thing to watch in BCS. breaking such a news to an innocent father...ahhh man!!
Man, you just know that Manuel probably broke down in tears once he went back inside… Goddamn, this whole story arc ripped my heart into a million pieces 😭
I can clearly see from his expression that is being torn up inside, but Judging by the tone of his voice, he doesn’t sound so shocked. It’s as if he knew where his son was gonna end up.
You can tell Mike has a certain level of respect and empathy for Manuel, having lost a son himself.
This was the best dressing down Mike ever got on this show and that very much includes Casper telling him that Werner was worth 50 of him.
This scene really hurts my heart. Poor man… all he wanted was his boy. He was denied that. I can’t imagine raising a son, watching him grow to adulthood, and because he wanted to simply put some food on the table, he lost his life in the end. All those years, all that love… POOF…. Gone. 💨
Mike who lost a son telling nachos father about losing his son is touching.. such great writing.
It's been over a year and a half since this episode aired, and to this day I still feel that Juan Carlos Cantu (the man who plays Nacho's father) should have been nominated for an Emmy for this scene alone.
Nacho's father is an extremely humble & honorable man. It's people like him who get the least credit thee days, but are the biggest benefit to our society. He reminds me of my late grandfather. Just a truly decent human being who works hard and loves his family. Not many people with integrity like that anymore.
"my boy is gone" it destroyed me in as many ways as possible.
You can tell this was the first time Mike got defeated. Both in the conversation and in the spirit. Also when Dad said "Justice" he didn't imply the uncertainty of the word but rather said it as a mockery to the whole ordeal of the gangsters, including Mike.
"My boy is gone." I'm not even a father, but imagining to have to say those words alone breaks my heart into a million pieces :'(
This scene just makes me so heartbroken, because Nacho really, really loved his dad.
I WAS HOPING FOR THIS MOMENT TO GET UPLOADED.
Mike, undoubtedly is my favourite character but this was the first time he couldn't reply with a single word. No matter how bad we try to justify the concept of broken heroes there's no such thing like that. Breaking Bad and BCS truly taught a lesson on *justice* and *walking on the right path.* No matter what all had happened to you in the past choosing the path of *evil* and justifying your actions by 'whatever you are doing is correct because you've been through the same pain' isn absolutely redundant. Mike was always an honest man but after watching this scene he was never the same. He was just a criminal with a nice heart! That's the most we can give to anyone. Walter, Pinkman, Mike or to anyone whom we thought was honest. Papa Varga didn't sell his shop when Hector asked him to and I genuinely felt bad for him because of his son he was being involved into all this. But he know he was right and the spark of goodness will always win over darkness no matter what! So he wasn't scared of the salamancas. Just for his family he had to take the money. Papa Varga is the only good person in the show!
I love this moment. It's when Mike goes from his "you can be a criminal but still be a good person" high ground to "just some gangster, he supposes". Papa Varga knows who he is, and Mike has no choice but to accept it. Then that's who he is in Breaking Bad, and he himself wouldn't deny it
you gangsters are all the same
The second we saw the sewing machine we knew what was coming. Still feels like a gut punch.
Two men on different sides of the fence, and different sides of the law, both having lost their sons, one to the police, the other to the cartel. Vince Gilligan really mastered drawing parallels.
the cinematography and the meaning behind mike and nachos dad on opposite sides of the fence, and mikes side being fenced off as well kind of shows he was trapped as a corrupt man, but nachos dad was free.
The most respectful characters are nacho and HOWARD
Nacho-Gus = Howard-Jimmy
@@thepowerofsand6180what’s that mean with -?
3:13. The cinematographer is a genius. They both lost their sons. This angle of the camera shows Mike in the cage of the gangster life. Manuel is free.
In a nutshell: Mike: "He died as mercifully and peacefully as possible." Manuel: "He's still dead because of your crap! Why should that matter!?"
The way he says, "My boy is gone." gets me every time.
Mike sees himself in mr.Varga, both lost their boys. The only difference is varga señor doesn’t want vengeance
Nachos dad is a criminally underrated character
Manuel was the only character who could put Mike on place, revealing his true nature
No father should face the burden of knowing his children death
nacho's dad always so BASED. he understood everything
Think the clearest sign that BCS has a much more mature Fanbase than Breaking Bad is the CZcams comments on clips. This scene where Mike tells Papa Varga about Nacho is full of people praising Varga’s wisdom and maturity. If that was a BB clip, they’d be calling him a bitch.
Agree 100%. I am constantly surprised by how people miss the point of a lot of breaking bad scenes, and I think the initial reception of better call Saul being slower and more character focused that action packed gave it a very clear target audience which I think is a good thing.
Both shows have mostly the same fanbase. They even share the same CZcams channel.
A father should never have to bury a son. It's better the other way around.
He could have saved his son. He just couldn't be bothered to
@@liljackypaper He couldn't. His son was a grown man. I'm sure Papa Varga had countless conversations about doing the right thing. At some point, you have to let them live (or die) with the consequences of their actions.
@@leonrobinson8180 the right thing? What, go to the police and get himself and his family killed? Y'all love defending this man getting his son killed smdh
@@liljackypaper "Right thing" as in not turning to a life of crime, before he got deep with the Salamancas. But Nacho clearly wanted that fast money, and Papa Varga couldn't talk him out of it. You seem to have daddy issues man.