Commander Rework BB Build Recommendations - 0.10.0
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- A guide to what builds to run on each nations Battleships. Starts with an introduction and overview of the skills and covers all major battleship types.
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0:00 Introduction & Overview Of Captain Skills
8:05 Yamato Example
9:53 Ohio, Georgia & Massa
13:02 Montana & USN BBs
16:18 Vermont
19:19 Thunderer, Conqueror & RN BBs
23:31 Grosse Kurfurst & German Secondary BBs
27:38 Republique & FR BBs
29:23 Bourgogne, Jean Bart & Strasbourg
31:43 Slava
34:03 Kremlin & USSR BBs
38:50 Roma & Ending Thoughts - Hry
Not a whole lot of that WG promised diversity here. Secondaries are generally worse, tank builds are slightly worse and sniping builds are better.
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Hello hellllo Flamu.
Thanks for this! Always looking out for us junior potatoes. This is helpful before the next patch.
Flamu, what is this word "Prock" or whatever you keep saying whenever discussing a special commander's unique skill triggering or activating in a match? I keep hearing you say things like, "This will make Kuznetzov's skill prock" or whatever... Is that even an English word that I've just never heard before in life, or is that from some other language and basically just means to activate or something?
@@IconProduction01 Proc = programmed occurence (I think). Basically it means either meeting the set of conditions to trigger an event or RNG does it, depending on the situation, essentially the same as triggering like you said but that word is too long ☺
Perhaps if certain CCs hadn’t complained about secondary fire power we would still have tanking BBs from time to time leading the charge. Frankly what secondary BBs really needed was more accuracy and range . What we got screwed in accuracy and the increased range does matter
BB build WG pretends recommending: Diversified
Actual BB build WG makes: DEADEYE
Yeah I think it should be berserker not camper perks.
yup, is not like already we were using the same skills before, like concealment expert and superintendent on every battleship before.
All they had to do was not nerf secondary accuracy for no reason.
@@harrycrab1677 the reason is that they were very effective against ships with no heal, specially at mid tier.
Wargaming is Ship Racist? Who knew...
I like how crysantos flamed the twitch chat about critizing deadeye while he was like “in a few weeks we gonna have great diversity because the players going to experiment”... mate, the only experiment is the calculation how fast a thunderer can burn you to the floor of the ocean 😂
What do they expect? Me spending all my Dubloons on the captain skills "in a few weeks"? No, lol.
But Tinfoil-Hat time: They made Deadeye too strong by choice, so everyone takes it while reskilling is free. Then, once resetting points costs dubloons, they will nerf Deadeye into the ground so everyone who took it "has" to spend money on reskilling again.
So nothings changed. There is no "build diversity". This is the best they could come up with? Sniping is easier than ever and brawling is just that much harder. Nice.
CVs recieved much more flexible setup about how do they want to kill you. Still no idea why WG puts 4 skillpoints perk for secondaries for CV. Just a joke, probably, especially when you get an alert when someone spots you and you can instantly send planes to your detectability circle border and punish intruder. Secondaries are really something last stand, to have a chance for trade with DD who has already sent torps.
@@we7034 Graf Zeppelin
If you think this hasn't been about doubloon resets/retraining and resource drain first and foremost with everything else an afterthought at best, you must be new to WG games.
@@cnw5330 yup. And most people forget that currently you are unable to earn elite commander XP if you didnt whale for a 21point commander.
these change was money grab scam to force whales to pay for 21 points capitans nothing more nothing less dont belive wargaming lies
Finally someone explains it the right way.. ty Flamu I was having a hard time building the right build and your proper knowledge of the game really helps.
Thank you flamu, soo much info, 100% worth it. Looking forward to cruiser and dd guides. Cheers mate
Thank you for this. Looking forward to the rest of the builds.
This video was so informative and interesting that it was actually over too soon. I could listen to you for hours just talking about builds, ship performances etc.
You give the best advice regarding wows and I can't wait for cruiser and destroyer build videos.
Excellent commentary. Your discussion of Dead Eye, especially staying just outside concealment line, is so necessary.
"MoRe DiVeRsE cApTaIn bUiLdS"
Great review, Flamu.
Thanks, man!
Thanks Flamu, been waiting for these!
Many thanks for your considered, practical and thoughtful advice. Just to let you know-much appreciated.
Good to see another vid. Keep em coming.
The only good thing about this rework is listening to the entertainmaint value of your suggested builds and the intermittent wit in-between nations. Black sheep of the family had me requiring to extract coffee from my lungs. Great insight , nicely presented video on the current standings.
Thank you for the video! Looking forward to the cruiser and destroyer videos too. I confess that I had gone full deadeye on my Sovetsky Soyuz (and felt stupid doing it). Tomorrow I will try the tanky build instead and see how that works.
Thanks Flamu, overall a great "guide". It's a pitty that the average player has ONE commander for the bb line, so the building of skills for a specific ship is not really a possibility. Waiting to see your recommendations for the cruisers and dd's ;)
Thankyou Flamuu!!! :) Love it
Amazing as usual Flamu
Thank you kindly for the detailed information
Very nice and informative.
Finally some recomendations, thankyou
Really helpful. Thanks Flamu. looking forward for commander rework recommentdations for CA, DD and CV as well. lol
Great guide. Thank u. Hoping for Cruiser build video soon
Thunderer at map border: "What do you mean, that when you lose hp?"
thx, but still waiting for cruiser :D
Ahhh back when the game was fun and a brilliant breath of fresh air back in 2015, my how the game has advanced amiright?!
World of Warships now:
Very useful thanks!
Excellent info Flamu !! o7 !
19:09
yep, I'm blown away by the variance wg promised.
You got "deadeye", you got "deadeye", everybody's got "deadeye", "thinking's man game", more like "thinking devolved" .. :-)
I deadass uninstalled, because sniping is the most unenjoyable thing I could possibly be doing in a battleship, and doing anything else is basically suicide.
TL;DR: Most builds are the same exept more expensive. Great patch.
what I want to know is what WG was thinking when putting the yellow recommendation arrow
WG and "thinking"? No no no no no no no no no my friend, that's way too much exaggeration from your side :V
Plus 10% plane ow yeah!!
@@marcingrzybek8516 haha
Thanks.
Looking forward to the cruiser one.
I can guess what the cv one will be
many thanks
Very much appreciated.
Dead Eye Mikasa when?
can that thing even shoot further than its base detection range?
It's probably already there ;)
Thank you good guy!
Good rundown thanks. Cruisers next plz =)
Thank you... very interesting...
very good
Very helpful! Do you have a guide for cruiser and CV skills?
My feedback is easy for WG, remove deadeye buff secondaries to what it was before
Keep deadeye, but remove the part where you must snipe from.the bsck to activate it, that's the only issue.
The skill is not as good as people think and are told it is.
It mostly fucks over the meta even more.
Cut down on fires for BB's massively!!
And for fuck sake, give us back functional secondaries and watch the meta shine!!
My problem with deadyeye is how make the game so boring and how they cut the brawling skils and buff the sniper skills or at least put something like dead eye working between the detection range but more than 18km doesn't work anymore.. idk something to not being to remove that borinng meta
@@SpaniardNL what you mean it's not as good as people are saying! I have yet to meet single good player saying deadeye isn't that good !
awesome video dude, helps me a metric fuckton. can i expect similar videos for the other classes ? and if yes, when can we expect them ?
I recently realized why they decided to bump SI to 4 points. If SI was still three points, you could build EL, PT, AR, SI, FP, CE and Dead-Eye. Basically, the old tanking build with -10% long-range dispersion.
This whole rework was basically about forcing trade-offs, even with 21-point captains.
And, well, then there's the people who do not understand the greatest secret of Dead-Eye. Keeping it working at all times is limiting yourself. Know when the time has come to throw long-range dispersion overboard and go up close and personal.
Nah dude, 24km He spamming it is.
@flamu when do you present the entire CA skills?
I like Vigilance on the Jutland brothers, especially for 2 points rather than three. I run them on FdG and GK which, because of their hydro, get significant value out of it (and a bit less out of Priority Target). Literally the only two captains in the entire game I'd consider running Vigi on, though.
Thanks for the Recommended DD and BB Commander Builds, any idea on when the Recommended Cruiser Commander Build will be uploaded?
I will still go with trenlass GK build. So much fun.
I've switched over to an accuracy build on my German BB's and then charge in for brawling. I find it's increased my damaged output going into the fight and increased my damage while brawling and has improved my win rate and therefor my fun.
I try to use my DD's to stay within spotting distance of enemy BB's to screw up their Deadeye. There are still lots of options for versatile play, but the average player is only going to stick with one thing.
Good guide as always. Only remarks: wouldnt an extra heal be a viable option on conq? And vigilance could be considered useful on the more nimble ships. Theres always torps and if it helps you dodge just a single one it has paid off.
he uses captain cunningham who gives extra 1 consumable on getting a kill so he uses fireprevention, I use cunningham on goliath so I picked extra heal on conqueror
I like how you still have your snowflake on your thundy XD
What does it mean? I still got it on a ship lol
@@RedOpp- means you haven't played a game in that ship during this holiday event in random, ranked, or coop. tier V-X give you a bonus reward when you earn the snowflake
This is also his press account so not the one he plays all the time
@@feanorn8409 Almost right.
He actually has more doubloons/Credits/free xp on his main and it also wouldnt run out because people do gift him doubloons.
The main reason he plays on the RU server is that nobody recognises him unlike in EU.
Professionals have standards xD
Thanks. I haven't played a single game since the update, since I couldn't be bothered to fix something that wasn't broke. Hopefully I can get back to it with your recomendations. Just one favor I'd like to ask: could you show the 19 points you'd spec, as I recon most of us don't have 21 point captains in a long while.
Are you going to do videos about italian bbs? Preview or wip after the changes in dev blog?
Thank you. I think i have to respec all BBs before nxt patch. Can you do the same for cruisers please?
Hello!!!!
Good afternoon.
Do you plan on making that same assessment for cruisers?
WG: MOAR DIVERSITY
Reality: Brawl harder, Sniping easier
*Satisfied WG brainleting noises*
I still have somewhat an urge to keep the secondary improved aiming for the GA over Emergency Repair expert. I know the GA secondaries are pretty accurate but wouldn't it make sense to make them even more accurate/deadly with the commander skill? For reference of what my commander build looks like, it's the same build at 12:54.
nice
This has always annoyed me: Irl, the flat turrets on a lot of RN designs are actually a *good thing* for armour protection at intended combat ranges. At longer ranges, a heavily reclined turret face provides a flatter target than a "flat", vertical turret face because of the angle that shells are coming in. The reason why most ships have angled turret faces is not because "angled armour equals good armour", it's mostly because it's easier to build turrets like that. In this game, ranges are compressed to the point where heavily reclined faces do probably offer better protection at basically any range apart from maybe when using spotter planes at 25+ km
Honestly, ranges where point of impact angle would be perpendicular are goddaim massive, for example against USN 40 degree 16inch angled turret face (NC) Japan 18.1inch shell would do that at goddaim ~35ky (32km) at with range deck penetrations become thing anyway and you have about 1-2% chance to even hit anything..
even shells with stepper trajectory like NC 16inch/45 require 28ky (25.6km) for 30 degree impact angle...
at ranges with actual hit probabilities that aren't in single digits (~20km) you are looking at 10-15 degree impact angle, also given that range armor is still effective (many ships have immunity zone at that range or it begins near it), for USN 40 degree turret faces that still leaves 25-30 degree impact angle
so no you aren't gimping yourself using angled turret face, its tradeoff with ~30 degree turret face you gain protection at ranges where there's high hit probability and there's higher probability of penetation (ships are near end of their immune zone) ~20km, but at futher ranges protection gains are lowered, at long ranges "25+ km" plunging fire starts being possible and roof protection cames into play, while hit probability on turret face is extremely low being very small part of the ship combined with already low hit probability
@@arczer2519 I once citadelled Izumo from my Des Moine on a range of 22 km(if i remember right). Yes it was a Des Memes build. My guess is that the shell flew through a pipe. The game took place in around 2 years ago.
what take for yamato first from tier 4 perks i have only 10 ponts comander on yamato (and what take second)
Hello Flamu .
With the new commander skill build for BB the same at any tier or is this just for tier 10 ships ?.
I actually spec incoming fire alert as a counter to dead eye.
Yeah, shoot me from 26km from some weird angle I didn't account for, I just turn or slam on the breaks or accelerate when the icon flashes red...
For the British BB's Lion and Conq, I would argue dropping FP and getting SI. Because of their Superheal, you can ignore single and double fires because you can heal 100% of fire damage.
Fire prevention is still better. U have 3 Super heal witch is the same as 5 or 6 normal heal from other ships.
I wonder if you can get Shikishima reload below 20sec now.. hmm
Flamu, Would you make an updates version of this, Video ?
Full on secondaries Kurfürst it is. Always was my sec build BB and if that means she is a port queen atm so be it, i am so not going to build this ship otherwise just to conform to the meta, fuck the meta.
I actually drop CE for Emergency repair for my thunderer and conqueror as they already have very good conceal even without CE and i pick BoS first. I build my conqueror with mix tank and dead eye build.
I find overly funny the fact that WG sold us the rework as a mean to have more diversity on the builds... And we end up speccing Dead eye on nearly all battleships. Nice WG, nice.
Anyway, thanks for the builds Flamu :)
i am trying to find Cruisers builds, but i only find videos about DD and Battleship builds. Any help pls?
I have a question, on my game I don't have Dead Eye instead I have Furious. Why is this possible? How can I change this?
wait so no healing skill on royal navy? wouldn't that add a whole lot of tank?
I tested my massa with and without the 2 point AA gunner and it saved my sorry ass at one occasion so I could won the battle for the team.
About Secondary Builds, Wargaming for update 0.10.0 reduced the dispersion of German BB secondaries. This is only for Tier VII+ German BBs!
Quote from Wargaming 0.10.0 patch notes:
" German Tier VII-X battleships
- Secondary battery accuracy has been increased.
Thanks to this change, the secondary battery accuracy of German battleships with the “Improved Secondary Battery Aiming” skill will increase by 50%. "
This is obviously still less than the original 60% total reduction in dispersion pre 0.10.0 but is a big improvement from what was initially only 35%.
Still can't hit shit ...
How would you build the Gneisenau?
Wargaming: We want to promote variety of builds!
Also Wargaming: [BB skills basically boil down to single build, and gimmicky builds, like one for secondaries are now worse than ever]
Havent played WoWs for about 2 years. This update sounds so bad that i wont even play it anymore.
Very nice thank you. Do the same for cruisers and Dd's please
How many games does it take to get 19-21 point captain. I know it's the same as 0-19 but havnt checked how long that took in a while
0-19 takes 1.9 mil xp or thereabout, 19-21 takes 1.2 mil.
What build you recommend for FDG???
Small question, why didn't they increase the range of american BB like Georgia and Ohio like the German/French BBs?
11.3 is definitely enough range for those secondaries.
Should we still spec IFHE on a Kitakaze?
Does the commander rework affects the legendary modules also? Are some of them now more usefull or more useless I mean. What are the best legendaries to use now? for all classes I am asking..After the commander rework can you make a legendary video? Keep up the good work..
tfw you need like 1 million more commander XP to get the same tank build as before
Will we ever get updated lower tier guides?
Are these builds for all tier BBs or just for the high tiers ?.,
So far MalteseKnight has put out 3 cruiser builds and theyre stealth + AR...so not much change cruiser wise.
Why my commander has diffrent skills? It's already changed? I have "swift in silence" insted of guns precision on lvl4 skill depth
Yeah. After much obvious outrage, deadeye was removed. Now it's SiS, a mediocre skill (for 4pts). 2pts and it would have been very good IMHO for some dds and such.
waiting for the dd or cruiser build guide from flamu
I feel like the "sniping" build on montana & iowa isn't so much a sniping build as it is a _flanking_ build, since their concealment is so good. Monty can't really play like that the same way Iowa can since she's slower and not quite so stealthy, but... They don't necessarily _need_ to hug the backline to take advantage of deadeye like the traditional sniper BBs such as Yammy and Vermont: Iowa with CE has a detection range of less than 13km, which is pretty damn close by BB standards (and you SHOULD get your targets between 13 and 16km anyway due to the slow shells and bad pen).
I hate the Deadeye meta, but Iowa's one of the few ships that can run Deadeye and still flank very aggressively (still shouldn't be at the very front of a push, though- bad pen means you want the flanks at all times)
that aside, what are your thoughts on CQC with french BBs? Their secondaries are garbage and their armor's thin, but they have the same secondary range as the Germans combined with extremely high-penetration, high-DPM guns and enough speed to get into and out of engagement range VERY quickly. been considering FP CE and CQC on my richelieu for those reasons.
french secondaries isn't trash, they has best fire chance. I use secondary + deadeye on Bourgogne.
I picked basics of survivalability instead of AR on republique + deadeye, improved accuracy of secondaries, concealment skills so I can use deadeye and if I have to push I can benefit from secondaries, 3rd upgrade brings flexibility so I can pick accuracy upgrade for this sniping meta but if it shifts I can pick secondary range upgrade. I know my build is not tanky much and picked basics of survivalability to mitigate it
@@trololoev eh, high fire chance is nice but the 100mm's don't even have the pen to directly damage high-tier _destroyers._ also i can't tell you how to play the game but secondary plus deadeye means you have two skills working directly against each other... if you're using secondaries you can't benefit from deadeye, for instance
@@ZaffaPlaysGames Bourgogne has almost same consealment as secondaries range, so you or invisible or you shoot secondaries. yes, you can't use both at same time, but you 90% of time or use one of them.
@@ZaffaPlaysGames i think you mixed up Bourgogne and Alsace.
Bourgogne has Republic secondaries and AA, 127+152 mm, they can fire enemy, they can damage dd (21mm pen enough for most tier 10), they can fire everything around for morale domination :) and secondaries skill give 10% rate of fire to main gun, which with fast reload can give you crazy rate of fire. with 50% hp + adrenaline rush+10% from secondaries and 12% from reload mod you can shoot 3 times from reload booster instead only 2 with base reload. this is max damage build, you use Bourgogne as Kleber - or flank enemy broadside or BANZAI!!! :)
I recommend test this build, secondaries (range+reload), invis, deadeye, adrenaline, turret traverse, fast HE/AP reload.
40 min video for deadeye :D
Funny how you get the same amount of tanky-ness on the Montana as the 19 point system now with 21 points and without the PT.
I have a weird question: how do u get Halsey as a captain? I’ve seen a lot of people with him but I don’t see how to buy him
"Hit Hard! Hit Fast! Hit Often!" Campaign final reward.
@@RealPigeon how do I start that campaign? Right now I only have the Yamamoto isoroku, honorable service and science of victory
@@christianwilson3853 Uhh..? It should be available for everyone. It's a permanent campaign. Wiki says it requires tier 8+ ships to complete but doesn't say you need to have a tier 8 ship to unlock it. I think it is unlocked for everyone by default.
@@christianwilson3853 check again the screen of the campaigns. U should have an arrow to scroll to the right, and there you'll find the Hasley's campaign
@@guillaume5124 dude thank u so much I never knows there were more campaigns! I’ve gotten 4 tier 10s and still didn’t know I could get him for free and I bought massa B lol. Idk how I didn’t see this before
never grind france BB but have Jean Bart and Bourgogne lol
Its worth it
@@Andi-ex2bk very worth. JB is ultimate credit maker
i once get 2.2 million credit in one battle lol
and Bourgog is my first BB to devstrike cruiser 21km away, 6 citadel on broadside yoshino lol
Hey flamu I didn’t why you didn’t assign legendary commander Phillipneu abeunrou for French BBS
Can someone explain Roma's camouflage to me.. Obviously Italian tri-colour scheme and distinctive Italian badges.. but why all the Kanji (or Hanzi) characters ?
Also: SAVE THE FLINT (needs gun range buff)
Hey Flamu, NEW TO THE GAME...If you made a mistake on selecting one of these skills, can you deselect and choose another one .. Thanks! ⚓
Just look at all that diversity!
they said diversion but they meant distraction :D
Fix BBs with super heavy AP+10% fire/flood. Improved 2ndry aiming +50%, Deadeye 30% additional visibility time after firing
I tried to get back into the game after the captains reworks.. Thinking/hoping that sniping would be lessened, that CVs would be less OP and brawling would actually be a viable strategy again.. or atleast just a strategy. I'll give the patch four remarks: 1 install. 1 look at the different captain skill sets. 1 match. 1 uninstall = shite game as before.
What's the point in building into secondary builds, when you are up against 2-4 thunderers/conquerors every single T10 game
don't play t10 games :)