Big 3 Vs DBZ | How Far Would The Big 3 Get In Dragon Ball?
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- The Big 3 Vs Goku a matchup so fundamentally one sided, that there is no debate. So what if we asked instead, How Far Would The Big 3 Get In Dragon Ball
Basically power scaling a Big 3 vs DBZ scenario throughout the many chapters and stories of the Big 3 Manga when compared to the Dragon Ball Manga
How Far Would Naruto Get In Dragon Ball ? How Far Would Luffy Get In Dragon Ball ? and How Far Would Ichigo Get in Dragon Ball ? If they had to take on the insurmountable task, of replacing Goku. The strongest hero in Shonen Manga.
In this video, we'll be covering all DBZ continuities, being Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball Super to find out the answer of if Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto can really compete.
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If you want to experience Water Poisoning, take a drink every time I say the word consistency in this video.
You will be on the floor before the half way mark Lol.
Also Giant Piccolo Vs Giant Luffy would go pretty hard, not gonna lie. Sub if you agree.
I want to start this by saying that I'm not trying to be a jerk about any of the points I'm making here. I know it can sometimes be hard to tell in text form, so I just want to make it clear that I don't mean any ill will or anything, just because I disagree with some of the things said.
Little issue (other than power scaling that I disagree with, but that is a completely different topic.), specifically with Radditz. Its shown that the reason why Goku let go of Radditz' tail wasn't just out of "brotherly love", but because he read Raddtiz like a book. After that point, when Goku gets him in a full nelson, he basically points out that, if it came to it, Radditz was ready to cut off his own tail, negating that weakness. It never came to that, because Goku let go of his tail before Piccolo fired his SBC at him (which Goku did purposefully, so that Piccolo wouldn't waste the energy on an attack that Radditz was going to avoid after he removed his tail), and specifically chose a means of holding Radditz in a way that didn't involve the tail the second time, even though he knew it would put him in the danger zone of Piccolo's attack.
The point being, even if we ignore the stat differential here (Radditz easily handles all 3 of these characters, if you take their actual feats into consideration, when you don't include statements that could be hyperbolic), and go with the scaling presented in the video, Luffy is still losing to Radditz, because he would absolutely cut his own tail off if it ended up putting him in a situation that could be dangerous to him.
now can you please make another video with how far would Saitama go in db universe ?
Saitama (Manga feats) would stop at Fat Buu at best but i think Super-Perfect Cell is more realistic
@@diegobrando5800 This comment here is literally less biased than the video itself.
Raditz stated in the manga that he would have cut off his own tail if he had to. Luffy loses after that.
Raditz was paralyzed as far as I remember, and piccolo had his special beam canon ready to go.
Maybe he’d cut off his tail? But I’m just not that confident he could pull it off in time IMO.
Forget Raditz, as of now, Luffy isn't getting past King Piccolo.
Effortlessly blowing up large cities? Tanking moon-level attacks...? Luffy can't put one single scratch on someone like that.
Why?
I don’t think Luffy has a tail
@@TUCKALMIGHTY you completely forgot about Rio haki with is dura neg, in one piece can scale to large planetary to dwarf star level
The grandfather of anime is Astroboy, Goku is the father, and the big 3 are his children. That's how I see it.
astro boy was the first anime
@@majinsaiyan4369 Exactly.
And nobody remembers or watches it dbz made anime what it is tdy
Yeah but I consider dbz the grand father cause it’s arguably the most popular anime ever. It popularized anime.
@@sharkt9877 In the west for sure, I don't think it did so in japan though but I could be wrong. Please correct me if that's the case.
"Luffy has minor toon force and reality warping"
And this right here is where the video turned comedy, my boy isn't even close to the raw power of King Piccolo.
Still enjoyed the ride and I do like how your editing is polished despite the small channel. Kudos.
Glad you enjoyed the content! We put a lot of work into the polish, whenever we can.
However, I will say. As long as you’re being somewhat generous to One Piece, and not so much to to Dragon Ball.
The gap between Multi-Continental and Moon level, isn’t big enough for me to say Luffy’s reality manipulating hax can’t carry.
Just my thoughts though!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Yup I did enjoyed both the quality of the vid and the exposition. You erned a sub today - best wishes to reach 1k for xmas.
Still...
We need to wank Luffy pretty hard to put him to multi-continental...
(interpreting quotes in specific ways and taking them absolutely literally)
While King Piccolo is factually above Moon Level.
So this is FAR from "somewhat generous" and "somewhat not generous" XD
It's basically as big of a gap there's between the lowest multi-continental and the lowest moon-level... Around 6 trillion times if we go with the VS battle wiki tiering system.
Not to mention the "reality warp" you mention wasn't helping Luffy beat up Kaido, it was cool to see the birds and all but it was the punches who did the work.
Luffy's reaction speed is way above King Piccolo's speed, I can see him dodging over and over - but King Piccolo can tank Luffy's best attacks forever, and Luffy's can't keep best-attacking forever.
But the statement itself is right.
@@Aluja77 oh not at all, because he intended the word in a specific powerscaling-oriented way. So questioning semantics was never the goal here.
@@marinomele4575People still think Luffy is capped out at multi continental? The one piece verse is able to reach moon level even without the whitebeard statement via blackbeard and his earthquake attack when receiving the gura gura fruit. It was stated that all yonkos are relative to each other so Luffy is moon level. You can also get him to small planetary (without whitebeard’s statement) with his strongest attack being able to reach the small planetary levels (the one piece verse is larger than Jupiter, as most people cap it out to be.)
No using Shadow clone vs Ginyu? That alone should either block or nerf Ginyu should he use body swap. Granted we've never heard if the body swap technique can penetrate anything that ain't alive. And if he did swap into a shadow clone, a good hit should destroy it and therefore end Ginyu assuming his consciousness doesn't get transferred into Naruto's main body but then again, he'd have to deal with both Naruto and Kurama inside his mind.
I heard that the clones experiences return back to Naruto besides damage of course so it might just transfer
@@jayarts2476 If that is the case then Naruto and Kurama might have the edge in suppressing Ginyu inside Naruto mind.
Naruto could probably use clones against Ginyu if he new ahead of time? But considering the stat gap there- it’s pretty hard to imagine Ginyu doesn’t just blitz in my mind.
As for Kurama? He really can’t do much to stop it- short of breaking his seal? And unaliving Ginyu in Naruto’s body?
Unless you think Kurama would switch with Ginyu instead of Naruto- at which point? Yeah. It might give him a small victory chance.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Well we've seen Kurama in Naruto's mind on two occasions even with the seal active. The first was against Orochimaru when he easily roared him out of Naruto's mind and the second was against Sasuke when he used his Sharigan haxs.
also would body swapping with naruto result in kurama self destructing natuto’s body and naruto being stuck in a body incapable of using chakra on account of being an alien and a different universe.
Read the title and before the vid even started, I thought "I'd guess they'd make it to about Frieza" and it looks like we think alike lol.
I thought the exact same thing lol
Dude I forgot you that they wouldn't have been able to pass through the Devilmite Beam. But there's no way they match in any way with Vegeta and Nappa😂😂😂
Great video overall and, I agree with what you said about Naruto and Luffy. But you're factually wrong about Ichigo, even if you don't wanna agree with Universal+ to Low Multiversal scaling that he gets via scaling to Yhwach, he is blatantly at bare minimum Multi-Solar System thanks to Senjumaru's feat, her shaking all 3 universes and the Garganta being such a feat, as she shook all creation. And even if you believe the realms are only planets, the Garganta isn't, it's at least a universe size structure.
Also speed wise, Ichigo is easily MFTL+ thanks to plenty of light dodging feats early on, but if you don't want to go with cero's being lightspeed or the Negacion, there's the weakest Espada dodging literal light, who Ichigo is already far faster than in that arc.
And with his multipliers from Horn of Salvation, Gran Rey Cero being a 10x multiplier from his usual AP, Blut Arterie and Blut Vene which are 5 to 10x multipliers for his AP and durability respectively, and finally Bankai, he'd go up to Multi-Galaxy thanks to just how high into Multi-Solar System Senjumaru's feat is, nearing Galaxy level already.
Anime is the primary source of canon now for the TYBW arc, as Kubo is directly working on the series and fixing the once final arc that he had to rush for health reasons back during the manga's run. And translations for Senjumaru's statement, the kanji points to her shaking all of creation, thus it's only by ignoring blatant facts that one could possibly say Ichigo scales any lower than Multi-Solar System up to Multi-Galaxy from multipliers now via scaling above Senjumaru in just his true Shikai.
So, yeah, Ichigo at least makes it to the Buu saga, and depending on if it's anime or manga, given different scaling via statements in the anime and manga, along with databooks and such that are more so for the anime than the manga.
He either stops at Buuhan, or in the anime, Fat Buu as with Toei's scaling, Super Perfect Cell would be Galaxy level, and Fat Buu Multi-Galaxy, and with Fat Buu's greater regen and magic, even if Ichigo scaled higher in that tier, Fat Buu would likely wear him out or just turn him into candy and win, as he has no resistance to transmutation abilities or magic.
Now if we actually used Universal+ to Low Multiversal scaling for Ichigo, then he'd clear the Z manga, and lose to SSG Goku from both the anime and manga thanks to Dragon Balls greater cosmology in just universe 7, though I guess this is him fighting the enemies, so he'd just get stomped by Beerus like everyone else, or get defeated by Frieza rather easily. But if we go with Z anime, he'd stop at Buuhan who scales to Uni+ to Low Multiversal thanks to Toei scaling
Hey! I’m glad you enjoyed the rest of the video. And there’s absolutely no shade intended with this reply.
But I’m just gonna share my thoughts here- as to why Multi-Solar System (or Galaxy) Ichigo? Is not what I went with- and why I sort of think it’s the worst meta you can use.
Basically- the problem with assuming Squad Zero, Yama, and Yhwach are effecting universal constructs- as opposed to just Planets? Is that there’s very little evidence to back it up.
Because the world of the living (literally earth) is meant to be a parallel with the Soul Society, which parallels Hueco Mundo.
The Kanji you’re talking about, which in this case is ( Tenchi 天地 ) can refer to a lot of things, realms, universes, spheres. Google translate literally just defines it as “Heaven & Earth”
So if you’re saying we aren’t using his universal scaling for the dimensional bodies. Which is supported by all the parallels between the dimensions.
As well as visual stuff, such as all of them being represented as planets. And even like? Regular towns from earth- being able to appear in the soul society, and be noticed. (Highly implying that it’s not a universe sized construct, with infinite space.)
So? Yeah. Shaking three planets is just not that impressive. Even considering the Garganta space, which is just a void between dimensions- that was never stated to be shaking- wouldn’t increase the feat that much in some interpretations? And the calcs that increase it to insane would be very charitable outliers- at that.
So, that’s personally why I have Ichigo more so in that Large Planet, to Dwarf Star range.
Because shaking a universe isn’t solar system level, and Shaking a planet isn’t either.
It just seems like a weird excessive scale- that sits between the two interpretations. Taking none of the accuracy in either.
But yes, if you take either of those metas, he’d stop somewhere in the Buu Saga anyways. So I hope that answered your question. Thanks!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Your right to have this view on all that, even though I do think your blatantly wrong on many things, ignoring context for statements and how their being used, how she wasn't shaking just the planets of those realms, but the air too, along with the fact both the World of the Living, and Soul Society, have stars showing the realms aren't simply planets at all, and the fact that shaking universes can in fact scale to Multi-Solar System, as that does have a quantifiable number to do it when doing so with raw power.
Bleach's primordial universe, was also clearly that, a universe, so Soul King splitting it apart would still leave a Universe size structure at the very least, that being the Garganta to house everything in, if not also the WoL and SS, Hueco Mundo is also described as being endless, and an infinite sized realm. Plus in CFYOW, Gremmy is also clarified to have created a Galaxy in his fight with Kenpachi, when using Galaxy Room, just saying. And even if you don't believe he created that, he'd of still sent Kenpachi into space with several stars, showing the realms aren't simply planets.
vsbattles.com/threads/above-heaven-and-below-earth-0-alone-surpasses-13.160302/ These guys can rebuke you better than I ever could, and can better argue the points I made. Even though I don't think Vs Wiki is the best, they have been very strict with Bleach's scaling for so many years, so the fact this got passed there, shows how solid Senjumaru's feat is for being Multi-Solar System both visually and statement wise.
@@TuckerBowChicka1 it's planetary & you mentioned air which doesn't exist in space more like the atmosphere so yeah
People seem to forget that just because something is shown to be a planet, it isn't always a planet.
Just take a look at the DBZ Microcosm. There are many planets within and outside the microcosm, but all of them are infinitely expansive spaces.
The same goes for the lore in Skyrim. There are plenty of planets shown in the sky of the world you're in but they are all infinite universes with their own endless streams of timelines. (This is info I found out in the DB of Skyrim vs Dark Souls)
quick correction, horn of salvation is bare minimum 50x since each resurrection of ulquiorra was 10x so secunda etapa was 100x and Ichigo went from getting destroyed to blitzing ulquiorra so full hollow is over 100x and hos is only 1 horn so half of full hollow.
Can I recommend a match? The 10 commands from 7 deadly sins vs 10 Espada? I think they should power scale closely, and nobody is talking about this match-up on CZcams, which feels like a missed opportunity.
Great video, super entertaining! Well-earned sub!
W vid appreciate it
this was great! thought it was very accurate as well!
luffy does not have toon force. He is not planetary. He gets folded by 23rd budokai tien. Blud thought he was cooking but instead he dropped the food on the floor.
I don't know where that idea came from. Toon Force is literal narrative warping for the sake of a joke. He simply turns things into rubber
The body swap does present an interesting question. What if Ginyu used that on a Shadow Clone? Does that mean it doesn't work? Does it mean it's successful? What effect does it have on Naruto if it is successful? Could he still dispel that clone?
Would that in turn dispel the mind in the Ginyu body and the body Ginyu now inhabits? Does Naruto suddenly gain a lot of information and a new friend in Shadow Clone Naruto inside Ginyu's body? Does Ginyu's personality then have an impact on Naruto, in this instance?
i just see it as naruto gets stuck in ginyu’s body, kurama self destructs ginyu and naruto can no longer use any of his techniques
Funny enough theres a scan that said roshi had enough energy to refil a sun or something like that that doesnt make him star level but i would say moon lvl plus
Here's an idea: the big 3, but do a "potara fusion" of all 3 of them... yes a three way fusion, with a theoretical A x B x C power multiplier with a combination of every power
There's also a Calc where it's "A + B × 100" from a super saiyan power scaler where A and B is the highest potential of the user (Goku MUI, Ultra Ego Vegeta ect.) Multiplied by 100 after adding eachother
We’ve actually thought about doing a video like this before!
And I’m honestly just waiting till we find a good way to do it interestingly, or accurately.
I think it’s a great idea regardless though, thanks for the suggestion!
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I need a Madara + Aizen Potara Fusion it sounds to cool to pass up 🔥
“IT WAS ALL A PART OF MY PLAN” - Madaraizen after dying for the 47th time
@@TUCKALMIGHTYit does not matter what the Dragon Ball verse has Luffy Naruto and Ichigo will be enough no matter how hard you try to fucking scale them and still would not matter get to the point where they destroyed super
@@TUCKALMIGHTYdon't you dare low ball Luffy for you son of a bitch he destroys Dragon Ball Z without even using gear 5 stop the BS already
About the Ginyu thing. Can Ginyu even swap bodies with a Ghost? I thought his whole thing was swaping souls but if Ichgo is already a soul then Ginyu realistically cant pull that move on him.
And i do think Ichgo could squeeze out a win if were going with your logic put only becuse of a full power Getsu Getnsho. (I cant spell)
Plus doesn't Ichigo have soul hax?
after some time ichigo can use all his powers in his body
I wonder about but for record for ragnarok, maybe that could be a video Idea for you, if you want I could tell you the rules?
The actual power/strength scaling i actually have to agree with, I don't think Luffy would've made it past Raditz but even you said it was by technicality. Regardless pretty solid
Random long winded nitpick (potential spoilers):
Luffy doesnt use toon force, I've never liked the term "reality warping" because its too vague. Reality is simply "what is."
If I get up and open my door, I just "warped reality" because now "what is" has been changed , the door is open instead of closed. So we just circle back around to "How" someone affects the world around them
which brings me to his actual abilities, his devil fruit ability of having the exact properties of rubber as per the manga, when devil fruit users "awaken" said powers, they can then affect their surroundings, we saw this with both Doffy and Katakuri when they effectively made anything they touched string and mochi respectively.
"Toon Force" as its been dubbed is only for when there literally are no pre established rules or for the sake of the gag. E.G Loony Toons, Tom and Jerry, Popeye, Arale etc
There certainly are gag moments that attest to this like when the Strawhats regrow teeth because Oda simply says they can, but that isnt related to Luffy's abilities in any way and again, would purely be for the sake of the gag.
Luffy certainly looks like he's using toon force, with his wacky personality and Oda's clear "Tom and Jerry" inspiration it only adds to it, but everything Luffy has done can be attested to his devil fruit power and haki use. Rubber is actually a liquid naturally, which would explain the absolutely insane shapes Luffy can take, and like Katakuri, can shape this into potentially useful things, like the "paint bucket" or Katakuri's "Shrine" that he eats in.
Likewise with his awakening the things he touches can squash and stretch just like rubber. just like he did with the ground to flip kaido's attack on him, and in Egghead island with using the travel tubes as a slingshot.
as for the fire of "Red Hawk" and similar moves, hes cleverly using friction/Haki to generate heat, just like Lucci with "Flaming Nail," Pearl a the Baratie or like Sanji with "Diablo Jamble"
TLDR: while sure semantically you can argue "reality warping." maybe even for quick explanation sake. His powers always have been "rubber." Even if Oda is wacky with it
Thank you and I'm sorry, keep up the good work
Edit : Toon Force clarification
not even a Bleach fan but I appreciate Ichigo being included. Bleach is rarely ever talked about as much as the other two Big Three its kinda weird
I can somewhat agree worh everything you said here but theres one rhing I like to mention, which is the initiat hax ability that every soul reaper has, which ofc includes ichigo. I know that no one considers or mentiones this ability in any what if that is outside of their verse because of how it just makes every fight unfair and pointless. The ability I mean is their ability to be preseved. If you don't have spiritual power you can't see him. So in theory, he could defeat and kill every enemy until cell or buu because they can't see, hear, feel or sense him. It's as if he doesn't exist to them. The reason why it would stop at either cell or buu, if we consider this ability, is because they both have to be fully obiterated to die, and ichigo doesn't have the fire power to do so. I could see him pass through cell too since it was gohan that defeated him and not goku, but it would at best stop at buu. But yeah if you don't consider this ability and just make it that that everyone can see him, like you did in this video, then I agree with how you placed them in here
Yeah, I think this is one of those common things that most people don't really address- but since you left a comment about it? I'll mention the three reasons why I didn't personally factor it in.
1.) Just about any and every character who has access to "spiritual" anything in bleach. Can see Soul Reapers and Hollows. Ichigo's little sister, some of his classmates, etc... are all examples of humans who aren't particularly powerful? Seeing these invisible entities. So if having minor spiritual powers is enough, then the Ki Centric dbz cast can problem sense him.
2.) Every character (as far as I am aware) whether they have spiritual pressure or not, can still physically interact with Hollows/Soul Reapers. We see this when regular Human Chad (before getting his powers) throws hands with a hollow, through the help of Ichigo's sister. So? Frieza (if better in stats) could eventually still hit him.
3.) Ki sensing. Character's in Z have Scouters and energy sensing to detect spiritual power levels. So even if they can't "see" him. People like Ginyu and Frieza could likely track him just fine- even if we don't grant them actual sight.
Hopefully, that explains why I didn't use it. But I hope you enjoyed the video regardless, and that this answered your question. Thanks.
@TUCKALMIGHTY THANK YOU!!!!! I have been trying to get people see that
@@TUCKALMIGHTY The thing is tho that ichigo's sisters are, well, his sisters. Their father is a soul reaper so all of them have unusualy high spiritual energy for a human. And it's not both sisters that can even see hollows, at least not from the beggining of the show. As for his friends, they can't see soul reapers or hollows from the start either. They can do so later on, the reason for them suddenly being able to do so is that they hang around a lot with ichigo, so they more or less get used to or increase their spiritual energy over time. Forgot the exact explenation but it was smth like that. As for the chad point, while frieza or any other character could in theory certainly hit ichigo, there is no reason for him to attack the air. Ichigo isn't really someone that usually cares a lot about fights being fair or fun like goku. He wouldn't announce his pressence to frieza and just attack and probably instantly go to the kill. As for the ki sensing, I guess it kinda depends if you wanna put ki and spiritual energy on the same level. Tho if you were to do so, then it woudln't matter at all in my eyes cause they would just be able to see him in general then. And since scouters are made to detect ki, not other energy, I doubt scouters would work at all. But yeah I did indeed like the video, just wanted to bring up a little descuision just for fun.
I think it would be interesting to place them at DB episode 1 Goku also as kids and see how they would handle each threat as they age and grow.
Kid Ichigo is just a normal human kid who can see ghosts, so he just fuckin dies. Kid Naruto is also just a normal human child, so he just fuckin dies. Kid Luffy is able to fight large animals, but also probably dies fast.
Really good video, kudos 👏
All but Ichigo hard stop at Nappa and my boy Ichigo gets hard stopped by Saiyan saga Vegeta. If by some miracle Ichigo makes it past Saiyan saga Vegeta he gets stopped by Didoria or pummeled by Zarbon. All 3 gang up on Racoom and get absolutely merced
Great video but i think you forgot to mention every time luffy laughs he gets stronger how about bobobobo vs Saitama lol as a video idea
At best they collectively manage to beat Raditz but fail at Nappa and Vegeta, their best feats are equal to Piccolo during the Gohan training arc
I want that what if style hour long of this XD
6 paths sage giant Kurama fighting a Great Ape Vegeta and winning due to hax, strategy, and exploitation of a few key weaknesses sounds fuckin awesome.
it'd literally be like the early days of Naruto, where all the fights heavily relied on their creativity and planning, just on a much larger scale
NICE!!! How far will everyone from Jojo get?
They would do very good in OG Dragon Ball. That's something we can all agree on for sure.
I'm still floored to hear "FTL" and raditz mentioned together still. I always thought the stand alone miss translation would've been tossed aside 10-15 years ago
The Moon Blast feat that Piccolo preformed is calced to about 25% the speed of light, Radtiz is more than 4x Piccolo.
No relation to the Dub mistranslation, but it does make it pretty accurate funnily enough.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYdidn't Goku dodge the literal laser + solar flare as a kid?
Not miss translation tho especially since Goku in the original dragon ball managed to evade literal light from tian's attack
They wouldn't have been past Baba's Palace, because of the Devilmite Beam from Devilman😅
Beacause they would've need to have not just a good heart, but Absolutely No Bad Thoghts or your heart would just Explode! Naruto will explode especially Ichigo. I mean his powers are based on demons😂 Abd Luffy.... I don't know because I dont follow the anime, but you have to be pure heart to pass through that.😅
I completely agree with your opinion on where Naruto and Luffy stop but highly disagree on Ichigo’s placement. If you take into consideration the fact that Gremmy can create stars or potentially solar systems with his imagination and the fact Yamamoto’s Bankai can destroy entirety of the soul society which has stars in it.
Yamamoto and Gremmy’s feats are likely solar system level of power and Senjumaru’s Bankai was stated to be able to destroy the 3 realms, a multi-solar system feat then ichigo at the end of TYBW possibly transcends that level of power. It’s pretty safe to say Ichigo is multi-solar system to galaxy level
Creating fake stars means absolutely nothing.
i’ve seen people in other anime and videogames create there own dimension with a sun and multiple stars and i can tell you there nowhere near close to planet level
What proof do you have that there fake stars?
@@animemaster4412 The fact that all of it disappeared with gremmy?
I mean you can also say its a pocket dimension and my point still stands, gremmy doesnt scale to what he created.
I’ve seen it before in other anime and games where person creates there own dimension with stars and a sun but there nowhere near planet level
@EagleEyes500 what about the fact that gremmy made 2 living people
Naruto can get up there too. Biggest issue for them all is speed. In terms of power both Naruto and Ichigo can beat anyone
I’m still confused as to why you made Luffy struggle against demon king piccolo I don’t get the explanation. What is piccolo struggle because Lucy’s made of rubber and punches don’t exactly hurt him. But there is a plethora of things that Luffy can do to piccolo since he can turn his environment rubber. You're seriously under balling Luffy jeez xD. Same with the other 2.
Luffy lacks in AP. That’s pretty much my thoughts behind it.
Piccolo blew up the moon with one hand (demon king piccolo could blow up the moon with his full power) and Luffy? Well- he’d be sort of lucky to go above Mutli-Continental power, as far as I know.
I do think he wins though, if that helps at all. As I did mention, I think he could maybe make it to Nappa.
Not getting hurt by punches may not hurt him , but as seen in the anime and manga laser beams and energy blasts can in fact do damage to him and king piccolo has those in his arsenal
Punches demonstrably have hurt Luffy. The Davy Back Fight was a good example of this. He literally got punched so hard he coughed up blood.
Luffy has a resistance to blunt force trauma. He can't neg planet breaking energy just because he's rubber
14:00 Casually scaling Vegeta second strongest in Freezer army (just below the Cold demon himself), making him able to beat virtually all of the Namek saga before any zenkai
W video.
personally i believe in the naruto solar scale and the ichigo uni scale but aside from that, a very entertaining fun video
Naruto is actually higher, but ok.
@@gorge1365 i mean this is my personal scale.
kaguya would've been able to destroy her dimension (contained a star and at least two planets, so a small solar system).
naruto could one shot someone on par with kaguya (toneri). Then we just upscale it from there, so large solar system level. but like maybe even galaxy with baryon mode if you highball
@@Hudishavtsyepeople say this. But who said Toneri could replicate or even have the durability to tank Kaguyas final dimension destroying attack?
@@Hudishavtsye
Sorry but this is going to be a bit long:
In the Data Book state that these Dimensions are in fact "Universes" and there ware 6 of them "If Im not mistaken) + Naruto's own, and Kaguya was about to one shot everything to create her own "Time Space" more like her own Universe with different Dimensions.
Then in the Boruto Movie Novel, it's aso confirmed that Momoshiki created a "Parallel Universe" as a Dimension and was later sucking the chakra out of it to amp himself even more (He was Fuse Momoshiki at thie point).
A tired and drained Base Adult Naruto, fought and hold off Fuse Momoshiki in hand to hand, then after he use Six Paths is were Naruto was beating him with Sasuke, then drained + tired Naruto's Huge Rasengan wielded by Boruto, destroyed Fuse Momoshiki.
Baryon Mode is far higher, due Ishiki being above Kaguya and Fuse Momoshiki, & Baryon Mode destroyed him but lost it's time limit.
Then we can't forget about Naruto before he gets Six Paths, and only using Bijuu Sage Mode, he was on par and keeping up with Minato's Thunder God Jutsu, using only his speed, and Minato's jutsu in the Data Book is stated to by so fast that travels across "Time and Space", the insane thing is that Naruto just keep up becoming faster.
@@gorge1365 Hel No
W vid! where do you think Naruto scales in your opinion at full power?
Wow, that was fast lol. Didn’t even get a pinned comment up yet.
IMO? SoSP Teen Naruto is bare minimum Planetary.
With his Boruto forms, or just higher interpretations- implying Large Planet, to potentially Even Dwarf Star-- or full blown Star levels and beyond? For his Baryon Mode.
You can also argue Uni+ metas, if you are a bigger fan of those scales. I just tend to lean towards the more realistic side of things with my scales.
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KCM2 is large star level since he uses Kurama's true power which was stated to "be able to turn the world into ash" and KCM2 in the Naruto databook was stated to have "earth shattering power, shaking the heavens". Which the Earth in Naruto just like One Piece is bigger than ours since in Naruto every village and every place and the entire planet was calc at 2x bigger than our sun. Putting the planet are large star level size. So KCM2 is large star level+ then gets the sage mode amp which is 10x since the curse mark and the Jiraiya sage mode statement in the databook of "the power being tens of times greater than before" so at this point he should be at least in the very very low levels of solar system level then gets more chakra which chakra=AP, and gets help from Jugo, Sasuke, Shikamaru, Tenten, and others including hundreds of other shinobi and them all together using an attack was "slightly" stronger than Juubito which Juubidara>Juubito and has infinite chakra and absorbed the ten tails which has "immeasurable power" and was stated to "be able to destroy all things in the universe" and his sharingan was stated to "be able to see all things in the universe" so he fills every requirement to be high universal and when Naruto gets base SoSP literally kicked existence erasure and brought 8 gates guy back to life like jesus and blitz and damage Juubidara who also tanked a kick from Guy which was "bending time and space" and has the rinnegan which adult sasukes was stated to "transcend dimensions" and is consistent since he can see Madara's limbo clones which are in a different plane of dimension. So base SoSP Naruto is at least multi-galaxy (low ball) and then gets uses SoSP chakra mode which can damage Kaguya who can create literally universal sized 4D time-spaces 5 to be exact and was stated to have greater chakra than Juubira which has 2 infinities of amounts of chakra and Sasuke who can see limbo clones and senses Juubiras infinite chakra but hers was too much. So Kaguya is Uni+ - low multiversal and was about to destroy her dimension which some argue was infinite, Obito says it's "vastly large" and can't sense the whole dimension and Naruto later no diffs Toneri in base who can "reshape the universe" and >Kaguya and (in the manga) can go relative with Momoshiki while amped who casually ate stars and created parallel universes and "had chakra beyond his parallel universe" which some think is infinite and created hyperspace / sub-spaces and can create an attack "to infinity" and absorbed Kinshiki we don't much about his scaling other than him "splitting worlds" and being above Kaguya, then Isshiki who can destroy dimensions casually and created "a world without konoha" and Bayron mode massilvey scales above that and people ask "if Baryon is above all these multiversal level beings why didn't he destroy the dimension in baryon mode?" There's statement from author of Boruto "Since Naruto & Sasuke are getting stronger and stronger the fights are going to be bigger but not as destructive since we don't want our main cast to look weak. Naruto & Sasuke would destroy everything around them" Basically the same reasoning to why SSJB Vegito vs Zamasu didn't even destroy the city they were in. So YES it's not wank it's very consistent and Zabuza has a water style attack which was stated to be able to "split everything" not sure what that means but I'll just say there is a downplay on Naruto's scaling as you see here. @@TUCKALMIGHTY
@@DarkTemple34no. Naruto stops at solar system and no immeasurable speed
@@reggielacey2235 We can debate that but when did I say he had immeasurable speed?
Would body swap work on Ichigo? He's a spirit, his body is back at home.
Kind of debatable I guess. His spiritual body still bleeds, and takes damage like a regular body. But his human body is an entirely separate physical entity.
So? Maybe he resists the body swap- if you do interpret him as "just a soul"
You do know that vegeta's feat in the same saga have been calculated to dwarf Star level right.
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great video but i definitely think naruto and ichigo mid balled can atleast be solar system lvl. kaguyas truth seeking orb was going to destroy and restart the timespace, which had stars, planets and moons. naruto and sasuke grow to become powerful enough to take on kaguya lvl threats on their own, like momoshiki and kinshiki. base momoshiki had created a parallel universe with stars, planets and nebulae (plural nebula). momoshiki goes on to absorb kinishiki and become massively more powerful, all to get taken on by a 50% sasuke and naruto. im not as well versed in bleach bc its been ages since i read it, but naruto and ichigo should get atleast to the cell saga
How far in power do you think goku will get before dragon ball finally ends????
Dragon Ball won't ever end, not as long as it makes Toei & Jump money lol.
But a hypothetical end of franchise Goku will still have new places to reach in terms of power regardless.
Because it's not really in his nature to ever stop growing.
So? Bare minimum- he'll just be a stronger super Goku? With potential to just, continuously get higher feats and scaling forever--- to turn into like? A canon version of heroes Goku. If that makes sense.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY you see him getting a other transformation down the line? I don’t know if he will since there treating mui as the final thing, but in the same time Frieza did one shot him 🤷♂️.
Yeah I mean? Like I said, it's basically the law of the land in DBZ.
If it makes Toei & Jump money, then they'll do it. And transformations? Do indeed sell like hotcakes.
That said? Considering Toyotarou, the guy who writes the DBS Manga? Is also the person who made SSJ 5.
I think we'll probably get quite a few more new forms/power-ups in the years to come.
Maybe even a potential canon SSJ 4 continuation.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY i have a gut feeling that they will one day end super soon, and right after they will simply reboot gt or something. To continue from the end of z.
@@sanato1301regardless of whether or not they do that, I have a feeling they will use the change state or whatever you wanna call it again as an end of super thing. It would have a chance of making Goku go from probably somewhere between GOD-Angel tiers, to #1 in the series. I mean, how could they reasonably end it if there’s someone stronger? That’s the whole narrative.
Personally, I'd scale Luffy from Multi-Continent to Planetary level. Naruto as Star to Solar System level. Finally, Ichigo as Solar System to Universe level. But everything said in this video was correct, though the question does make us wonder: Who would succeed Goku.
The answer: all of them. The idea and concept of what Goku represents is the base or tree trunk for the future branches to separate and create more branches onto itself, creating more inspired anime shows rooted from the big G himself, Son Goku. Alone, they're just good and amazing. Together, they bring inspiration that far surpass any before and after them (of course excluding Dragon Ball).
U scale ichigo to universal u gotta do the same for naruto honestly
@@rlserik3751 Bro, promise me, I think I'm making the right choice by saying this💀
@@raisefanfics . Ok agree to disagree i think im making a more obvious choice to , cant scale ichigo tht high unless u do the same for naruto
@@rlserik3751 czcams.com/users/shortsu7whnvospNw But I think he scales to Universe
@@rlserik3751Ichigo is significantly stronger than Naruto
absurdly bad scaling
Shutara already shaked up *3 different universes* by just releasing her power while she was holding back
thats Dragon Ball *Super* level not Z
Zamatsu from Dragon Ball Super would no diff DBZ versions of Goku and he did it without holding back Shutara was purposely doing so and Ichigo is much stronger than her
if you don't use actually relevant post Zamatsu Arc DBS versions of Goku he gets muderstomped by Ichigo who crossed Irazusando wich as stated in the cannon Anime "begins but doesn't end" making it an infinite dimension
Going in my guess was luffy loses at raditz. Naruto loses are Vegeta. And Ichigo loses at frieza. In the end I was relatively close to him, just lowballing naruto and high balling ichigo compared to him. I’m happy with that
I don’t think this guy knows as much as he thinks he does. Luffy has casually dodged light-based energy attacks while in his base form, and Gears 2, 4, and 5 all give him a speed boost and Kenbunshoku Haki gives him accelerated reflexes and processing as well as precog. Naruto was shown pretty accurately overall, but I think Ichigo’s raw power and speed are both significantly higher. He fought seemingly on par with Ywach after the Quincy had absorbed the power of the Soul King, whose mere presence maintained the balance of the known Bleach universe, and his speed seems to scale to his sheer power. So Ichigo should be the fastest by far (negating the need for precog), Luffy should be second fastest even without transforming or using precog, and Naruto is firmly last for speed, but does outdo Luffy for raw power.
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@@TUCKALMIGHTY how far would part one luffy get in naruto.
how far would ichigo get naruto.
how far would naruto get in one piece.
how far would luffy get in bleach
Wait but cant ichigo attack souls? Someone using a soul swapping attack probably wouldn't work too well
What about Gamabunta?
I couldn't get into reading or watching any 3 of them. Dragonball on the other hand I thoroughly enjoyed.
what would be more interesting if the big 3 with all the abilities in their respectable verse went up against dbz/dbs
Current Ichigo would luckily put up a very decent fight.
"Demon King" Piccolo was Multi-Solar System, lol.
So imma play devils advocate a little bit here,
In regards to the ginyu fight,
Naruto has a potential chance because
1. If he makes shadow clones, Ginyu wouldn't know which is the real one
2. If Naruto summons toads, they coupd potential get Ginyu in a genjutsu (or jump in front of Naruto to be hit by a body change, resulting in a toad Ginyu X'D)
3. If naruto uses Ichibi chakra, he could potentially seal Ginyu, at least lo g enough to maybe get a breather
4. If Naruto needed to get out, he could reverse solummon himself and survive to fight another day
5. Naruto could potentially catch Ginyu with a sunlbstitution jutsu if he tries changing bodies
6. If Ginyu did body change with Naruto, this would result in o e of two outcomes,
6a. Ginyu now has to fight internally with an u cooperative Kyūbi, and not really have access to any of that power or Naruto's techniques
6b. Less likely, but potentially ginyu swaps with both naruto and kurama, leaving him alone in naruto's body without the 9-tails, and leaving Naruto and Kurama in his body, leaving them stronger than before lol?
For Ichigo, just two things really, but they may be a bit of a stretch
1. If I am not mistaken, cant he open interdimensial portals? If so, potentially being able to escape, or trap Ginyu somewhere
2. His sword us litterally made for destroying souls, so i imagine it would have some protection if used against Ginyu's Body Change?
The only 1 i think could possibly last a while would be Ichigo. Not on raw power but on speed. Mostly cause Bleach characters have some stupidly crazy speed feats as early as SS Arc. And blades can work pretty well in DBZ, as shown by Trunks. But with how many villains have either A) Regeneration or B) planet erasing power, i can't see Ichigo making it past the Cell Saga.
I don't think anyone is making past namek saga
Ichigo kinda negs Cell with his AP and Soul Hax. Someone that’s fodder to Ichigo has a multi Solar system level feat from just releasing her Bankai while purposefully trying to hold back and not affect the Bleach realms, and someone who’s fodder even to that person by scaling (not by feats) has his own Multi Galaxy level creation feat on panel yet says he’s inferior to a Eyepatch on Shikai Kenpachi
bro cell has higher ap. And cell doesn't have that good hax to be negated anyway. Cell is just too fast, strong, durable, smart for ichigo@@jocoolshow
@darkstudios693 Yeah, but I still feel confident Ichigo (more so than the other 2) can at least make it to Cell. Defeating him, though, would take a miracle.
DB Master roshi in a guide was stated to be able to power a star
I've never seen this particular guide, but if it exists? It's just a massive, massive outlier- without much backing in the context of the story (like the Naruto guidebook that calls Temari "Universal")
@@TUCKALMIGHTY I should have saved the entire game guide when I saw it but it also states that Saiyan Saga goku's spirit bomb was that of a small super nova. It also had a really weird, and slow speed meta for the characters taking into account the real world physics of going passed like mach 4-7
my video prediction is everyone but ichigo hard stops at the Saibaman
Quit powerscaling
Right because NIETHER of the other 2 are fast enough or skilled enough to deal with explosions. Get off Toriyama's nuts, he doesn't want you there.
If they're below small planet level then yeah
@@GooberGlumbus Saibamen cannot blow up a planet.
Forget Saibaman, Luffy can't harm Demon King Piccolo. Naruto should be able to beat Nappa and Ichigo reaches Namek Saga.
I can already hear the wankers approaching - "luffy Is large-planet! Naruto Is universal! Ichigo is Outerversal!"
Do you know that Naruto has Star level attacks right. he possibly even has solar system level feats right. To scare him off of hagia. Who created a space with a star and a moon and more space probably. And Naruto with half of his powers able to beat a guy who stronger than hagia that's granting him star to solar system level AP.
Tell me a feat where he has it or shown it in manga page
Ichigo can do DB up to Beerus/Super, with only Buu giving him trouble due to Hax. Yhwach doesn't destroy planets with his power; Yhwach destroys *reality*.
This video is so fucking well edited, deserves a sub. All tho I kinda disagree with Luffy´s raw power in this one since One Piece really is a strong world even stronger than Naruto in case of bare fist power. I think he would be able to damage Radditz, dont know if he would win tho
And also, Ichigo lowball was crazy. There are many arguments of him being stronger than Cell or equal to perfect Cell
I think u forgot 2 things about Ichigo, Reiatsu can negate hax just how Aizen did and another thing reiatsu isnt a life energy it is the essence of a shinigami. You said Ichigo doesnt have any hax but being invisible and intangible is basically his hax + having 2 zanpakto spirits + you have Grimmjow who isnt near Ichigo's level was stated by shinji that Grimmjow and Luppi 2 fodders compared to Ichigo that they can destroy the sun if they fire a cero... Ichigo has blut vene also like he has getsuga jujisho he can use cero's + gran rey getsuga's like... and if you watched the first movie which is canon we litteraly saw a solar system feat via Senna like Ichigo is alot higher than both Naruto and Luffy. I do think Ichigo stops at Buu tho 😅
in what world was goku vs vegeta a draw?
their fight ended with goku crippled snd completely unable to even move while vegeta fought 3 other people, 2 of which were stronger than raditz
I'd say at minimum Ichigo makes it to late stage buu saga since the word galaxy is said a few times in the manga for example the gag of Kon kicking a pebble to a "distant galaxy."
You can't really use it to scale everyone since it's obviously a joke but since Yhwach was gonna destroy the universe which has been said to have galaxies in it anyone who scales to him would be multi galaxy.
How many times must be it be explained how the universe in Bleach was gonna collapsed? It’s not something that can be attributed to DC/AP
@@dizzyb2309 it's not about the destruction? Sure that's one way of scaling it since yhwach was about to pull them all manually, but the main reason it scales to it is because his casual reiatsu is able to maintain the realms casually.
They weren't passively coming together yet because yhwach's passive reiatsu output enough to push them out. Meaning he, and by extention anyone who scales to him, is equal/greater than the three realms.
Go back and read it and you'll see.
@@bungusbongusdon't bother. Even though the corps that's had its organs scooped out, limbs chopped off, and sealed in a crystal still had the power to hold three planets away from each other, from different dimensions while also keeping the subspace that everything is with from collapsing on itself, ichigo is still just planetary.
It's completely ridiculous. Yhwach corps is doing the same thing, and the last time I checked corpses are weaker than the living. Which means ichigo even being able to cross blades with him should put him at galaxy minimum. Yamamoto literally has the sun as his bankai, and he is weaker than eos ichigo.
While your Luffy scale was within the ballpark of what id say is consistent, i dont agree with your Naruto or Ichigo scaling. I wont explain both here, as that woukd take all night, I'll instead just give a sparknotes of Ichigo's scaling.
To start with, you really underestimate Ichigo's speed. While he lacks future sight, his sensory capability is insane, being able to sense the soul of a small child that was fused and mixed with a parakeet from across town early on, and able to sense people in Soul Society from within the Garganta, a separate dimension. The sensory precision Ichigo has would give him a MASSIVE advantage over Goku in a lot of scenarios.
To get to his actual speed, though, in the Soul Society Arc, Uryu runs fast enough to leave his shadow behind, which has been calc'd to be at least half the speed of light, Aaroniero, who scales to low lieutenant-high seated officer tier, based off Rukia being fairly relative with him, was able to dodge sunlight. Lieutenants in the Soul Society arc are shown dodging negacion, stated to be light by Yamamoto and the databooks. HoS Ichigo is literally thousands of times stronger and faster than Soul Society arc lieutenants, who are shown to move at relativistic speeds.
For his power, he should be at least in the multi-solar system to universal+ ranges. Soul Society and the WotL are shown to have celestial bodies, such as stars, and are referred to as universes. In CFYOW it's even outright stated that they are not planets. When the realls are being described, it says "if they could be likened to planets" keywords being "if" and "likened to" meaning that they are explicitly not planets. Given the fact we see stars in the sky, they should at least contain multiple solar systems, with Gremmy's space room having galaxies present, meaning that they are almost certainly universes.
Senjumaru's bankai simply being released could shake 2 universe sized dimensions, and we see that the power output of simply releasing your zanpakuto is far weaker than what it can do when you actually direct it. Squad Zero would likely scale to having AP enough to destroy at least one of the 2 realms, since Yamamoto could destroy Soul Society in bankai by merely existing. This would make SZ, and anyone who scales above them, multi-solar at the lowest. Ichigo in base would absolutely mop the floor with the entirety of Squad Zero with zero effort.
Ichibei gets killed in one hit by Ywhach once The Almighty returns. Ywhach then absorbs the Soul King, getting massively stronger. Base Ichigo is contending with this Ywhach physically. SK Ywhach>Almighty Ywhach>Ichibei, the strongest member of SZ. Then Ichigo gets his HoS and bankai. Bankai is 10x to his stats, and hollowfication is stated to be a power that surpasses bankai by Tosen, meaning it would be at least an equal power boost. Basically, Ichigo is definitively multi-solar system at least, up to uni+. Let's go with multi-solar for the sake of staying in Z. He's also MFTL+.
For his hax, which he does actually have some, he's got power nullification, resistance to durability negation, flight, regeneration, and attacks that further boost his power. His Black Getsuga is stated to be similar to a Cero Oscuras, which is stated in Unmasked to be an order of magnitude stronger than a basic cero, so a 10x power boost over his basic strikes. Add on Gran Rey Getsuga, Gran Rey Cero being the greatest cero, meaning at least 10x his basic strikes. His regen has been shown fixing a hole in his chest against Ulquiorra, and even replacing a lost arm in his training with Kensei. Ceros also atomize, meaning if Buu or Cell gets entirely blown away by a Gran Rey Getsuga, they aren't coming back.
Ichigo, at multi-solar and MFTL+ genuinely finishes the Namek Saga before the Ginyu Force touches down due to his insane sensory abilities. Even if he does end up fighting Ginyu, he'd be immune to the body swap because of reiatsu negating it, since Ginyu is way weaker than him.
Perfect Cell is solar system tier, and wouldnt even reach that form, as Ichigo, unlike the Z fighters, wouldn't have let him live after he slaughtered a city, and Cell can't do anything against Ichigo.
Buu is where things could get tricky, but Ichigo is less likely to fuck around when he first meets Buu, and so Buu probably doesn't ever reach his stronger forms before Ichigo atomizes him.
He then gets walloped by Beerus. Multi-solar Ichigo not doing well enough to survive, Uni+ Ichigo going into Super, where he gets stopped by either Golden Frieza or Hit.
Naruto has some Uni scaling, but it isnt as solid as Bleach's, but he does have some decent multi-solar scaling, based off the stars visible in Kaguya/Momoshiki's dimensions. So Naruto probably stops at Buu, as his best attacks are cellular, which Buu can regen from.
Weren’t they all 12 at some point in the anime (they’ll probably die first episode when Bulma shoots them with a gun)
Funny how in canon the most powerful character is devilman. Every character except goku dies to him
And people say gear 5 solos💀💀💀
I'd say he'd probably make it a little further than it was said in this, since OP scaling is heavily dependent on the size of the planet. On the larger ends it's scaled to Star level, which I'd say would get him far into the freiza saga, probably hard caps at freiza thou.
@@bungusbongus How???? OP world is only 2.7 times bigger than regular earth, so he is barely multi conteintal even after the huge scaling how u getting planetary level let alone Star.?
@@yashghanekar1424 because people have different caps for it. Which would let him go further.
@@bungusbongus Ye so you are extremely high balling by puttinh him near planetary let alone putting him above planetary while Imu who is currently stronger than g5 in manga has barely destroyed a island... So the "different caps", is other OP fans glazing
@@yashghanekar1424 well I did say it was a highballing in my original comment so I don't really see your point lol
a very important factor about powerscaling one piece characters is the size of the planet. its extremely important because the size has been calced to be multiple times bigger than earth. so all the destructive feats that op characters have are upscaled. a multi continental attack in the one piece world's standards would be large planetary from our worlds standards, planetary attacks in one piece world would be around small star level or so etc. very important to keep in mind when powerscaling op characters, everything is basically upscaled.
So is Dragon ball 💀 Earth is considered a very small planet, casual small planet busting in DB covers planets 10x the size of earth
The island etc are no bigger then real ones theres just more of them due to the planerts size and luffy is around continental in power
In no world does multi contental equate to destroying the whole planet, it’s literally one tier below lol
There is nothing in One Piece suggesting the planet is thousands to millions of times bigger than earth. The diagrams we see aren't to scale, and the scales of every diagram we see is entirely different.
Great video but to argue the vegeta point. Goku really didnt fight him with a power level of 8k, he was consistently using Kaio Ken. So minimum 16k and often 24k
ichigo is gonna get the farthest as he has "zenkai" boost too
also he get stronger after every battle too
nah the downplay is hard you right on luffy.
naruto and ichigo have real feats to get to universal.
kaguya is universal and she is fodder to base naruto who took hits from a stronger momoshiki who already fodder kaguya in his weaker stat.
baryon mode is a star level amp on naruto's universal base tat is at least a million times multiplier that lets him one shot all of Z.
naruto beats Z in kcm2 form that's thousands of times universal.
Why not do a what if Naruto Luffy and ichago was born in the world of dragon still keeping there powers but having tk go through the carzy training
Actually piccolo moon busting feat was calculated from as low as small planetary to as high as large planetary.
I'm more or less use the small planetary feat but you could argue large planetary but it's a little staffy for this time in dragon Ball.
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Luffy vs demon king piccolo 50/50
Stops at raditzs
Naruto vs vegeta 50/50
Stops at ginu force
Ichigo vs frieza 50/50
Stops at perfect cell
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I'll be honest, I think they'd get a little further. Not by too much, but I think they could take Frieza down.
Luffy, well, uh, he can't.
But I think Naruto and Ichigo could take the win against Frieza. They both have Star Level - Solar System Level scaling (Kaguya's and Momoshiki's Realms or Senna and Squad 0 Feat) which should put them in the same league as Frieza physically imo. In terms of speed they should both be MFTL+ at their peaks and relative to Frieza especially with novel scaling for Naruto. And their hax would give them an edge as well, but tbf I think once they get to the Android Saga they probably ain't gonna do too well.
So imo
Luffy - Gets to Nappa and Vegeta before losing
Ichigo - Gets to the Androids and Cell before losing
Naruto - Gets to the Androids and Cell before losing
This is just my opinion though, and ik that I scale The Big 3 (especially Naruto) a bit higher than most, so I understand if you disagree.
(Note that while I do somewhat buy Universal Naruto and Ichigo, I'm not using them here as Frieza Level characters and beyond also have Universal level metas, and I don't feel like discussing Universe Busting Naruto and Ichigo fighting Buu or something as that would take too long to explain lol).
But maybe, just maybe, a set of shiny golden earrings or a funny alien dance could give the Big 3 a better chance...
I disagree with you
@@vitoscaletta822Okay, and that’s fine. We can all have our own opinions. 👍🏻
@@limbo9993 o problema é que a sua opinião literalmente esta errada, naruto nem tem status para lutar com o freeza primeira forma kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@@bluemors2211 No, Naruto has fought people who have star destroying to solar system destroying power just like Namek Saga Frieza. So yes, he does have a good chance against him.
deve ter 12 anos, e viu naruto de outra dimensão kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Man, I've never seen Naruto given such a massive high-ball. Really funny.
Actually it's not
Yeah, I don't really think Large Planet is much of a highball for a Boruto era Naruto at all.
Literally the 10 tails in its 2nd form was forming a small planet of chakra
Obito absorbed it & planned to destroy the world with Nunoboku
Planetary feat there you go
Also that was kcm2 sm btw😭👁️🗨️
@@TUCKALMIGHTYthat a low ball for Naruto
@@Animeguy180-no it’s the reality of things
i know who they are i just don’t know exactly what ichigo is
Luffy probably wouldn't get very far since he has a poor sense of direction, better than Zoro's sense of direction.
Dbz is simply the best. The movies the difrent sagas, the vilans, the heros. The fights are insane and the story is wonderful.
This is cap
Only the movies and fights are good
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@@Path3742not telling u from btw
@@kamekashi what does that mean
@@Path3742some fights are good the story is worst between these animes
I think Ichigo might be able to force frieza into his battle form. Naruto and luffy get one tapped by base frieza. That’s if they even get by captain ginyu. Tbh I’m high balling them because if Roshi uses his evil containment wave to seal off Ichigo, they might not even make it to the Z series.
I do have a suggestion, but I am really not sure how well this is going to be. So you did the big 3 of shonun jump, being Luffy, Naruto and Ichigo yeah? Maybe you could make it so Mario and Sonic work together to try and get through the Dragon Ball story. Yes I know that once Super Comes out, Mario will struggle, and maybe before that, but I want to see how it would be if Mario and Sonic worked together. You can even put Luigi and Tails in if you want.
If they struggled with vegeta in saiyan saga they would get one shot by Recoome. Vegeta after fighting goku got a zenkai boost went on to get dominated by Zarbon then he got another zenkai boost and still got dog walked by Recoome.
Maybe they can get through saiyan saga but they definitely arent surviving Namek.
I think you forgot goku was dodging laser and the solar flare which is light in earily dragon ball
I didn't forget, I just think it's a bit of an outlier. With two things that aren't really stated or shown to be light speed.
If you think Kid Goku is light speed though, that's fine.
Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo also have light speed metas that are earlier in their series.
Based on how you'd like to spin the numbers.
Well I mean Tien call the solar flare light@@TUCKALMIGHTY
its not dodging, he just knew were the enemy was aiming and dod- oh fuck it is dodge!
I....Don't know to reply to this@@SisDenha
I think naruto and ichigo would both beat genyu. Naruto would use shadow clones so many that genyu would not use body swap. He simple would not know which one it was and if he tried a clone would throw itself in the way. He then could just use truth seeking orbs or hit him at the cellular level which he cannot heal from. As for ichigo against genyu I would simply say this. Genyu can body swap. Keep that in mind. He can only swap bodies and ichigo is a soul reaper not in a human body when he fights. If genyu did swap to ichigos real body then what stops ichigo from forcing genyu out like hat and clogs did to his spirit ect.
All of them individually no diff the saiyan arc at least
If you give Naruto and Ichigo the training buffs that goku got (9-ish times for king kai, 8-9 times for gravity), that should give them the edge to get through more of dragon ball, if you're counting all of the events including training. Same case for Luffy, I guess.
This is 100% true, if they got all Goku's training arcs and amps? They'd be cooking for all of Z easy.
@@TUCKALMIGHTYthen beerus or majin buu would be the hard stop
True, if they were now part of the Dragon Ball world they would have to also play by Dragon Ball rules. This basically means that theit development would be vastly different than that of their own world.
goku is a saiyan
@@ether2275 not acctually since they don't have the growth Rate they goku does
The big 3 did not make anime mainstream. Anime was already mainstream by the 2,000s. With toonami well into its prime.
It was dbz, sailormoon, cowboy bebop, and others that made anime mainstream back in the 1990s. It was those shows that paved the way for the big 3 and revolutionized the dubbing industry which is why the big 3 didnt get the amount of horrible dubs that dragonball and sailormoon suffered from.
Naruto is not planetary, he has no feats at all that suggest so, the moon feat does not count at the moon was hollow, Naruto falls to Napa as well, that is my take.
Vegeta detroying the world with two fingers I am pretty sure was non canon and was show only. Ginyu would be weaker with a body swap since he doesn't know how to use their powers in the first place.
I thought dragon ball was part of the big three instead of bleach ;-;
Ichigo lowball is vile, by scaling off Yhwach, Ichigo should be uni+
Ichigo could make it to super u just scaled wrong
Luffy, the dude who in base casually no diff guys who are mountain level in his base form can't hurt raditz?
Then you add the power boost of Armament and or conqueror's haki which can be layered which is why I put and as well as the power boost he gets in Gear 2, 3, 4 and 5. How is he stopping at Raditz without a technicality and no diffed by Nappa?
Seriously, this Luffy slander needs to stop.
Raditz got shot in the face by Piccolo's full powered moon vaporizing attack, and took no damage. He didn't even flinch.
As far as I know? Luffy doesn't even have Moon Level scaling, let alone the higher tier necessary to hurt Raditz.
And considering that Raditz has a power level between 1200/1600, where as Nappa is between 4000/7500? I think it seems pretty fair that without the tail weakness, Luffy unfortunately gets folded.
We do have plenty more content, talking about characters Luffy beats though. So I hope you enjoy that. Thanks!
Ichigo is multiversal. Hes making it to super
Luffy gets past the saiyan saga but dies during namek.
Naruto dies during either namek or the cell saga.
Ichigo would could die at either namek, the cell saga, or the buu saga depending on how you scale him.
Luffy and Naruto so far don't even get past the sayin Saga Ichigo is debatable on if he could get past the Buu saga
Hardly disagree, but nice try.
Naruto and Ichigo are actually Low Multiversal+ Scale with Massive FTL+ Speeds, with Naruto being above Ichigo due Data Books confirming that Kaguya's dimensions are Universes + Kaguya was gonna one shot all of it with Naruto's own universe (Low Multiverse or Multiverse Scale Feat), Naruto in Six Paths fought her off with Sasuke.
Adult Naruto is also considared to be above Kaguya but below Ishiki who was the strongest in the Verse, until Naruto beat him with Baryon Mode.
Ichigo at best was fighting off Ywach who was about to destroy the Bleach Universe by making it collapse on it's destruction (He wasn't goin to one shot it), but still powerful enough to defeat high tier Shinigami's like Yamamoto and Ichibe.
Dangai Ichigo is actuslly his Peak, and almost stalemating Teen Six Paths Naruto in the Power Scale, but Adult Naruto is another type of monster.
Naruto Speed is between MFTL+ to Immesurable, due being way faster than his father (Minato) who can use a jutsu to teleport "Across Time and Space" as the Data Book state and was also reacting to Kaguya who was faster than them, all that was Teen Naruto, Adult Naruto is obviously above his Teen Self.
Ichigo at best was FTL+ in Shikai as he cross the Garganta and a Dimmension to get to Soul Society in less than a few minutes, Ichigo using Bankai should be 10× faster, MFTL, Danga Ichigo is logicly faster due him fighting off Aizen who transended all things in Bleach, MFTL+ to possibly Immesurable Speed.
In Haxs, Naruto is the dangerous one of the three.
Luffy can be physically stronger due One Piece's Planet being larger and bigger than Saturn (Theorized), his Feats with that theory are more than insane, but in power he is behind Naruto and Ichigo.
I can see them clearing Z.
Luffy loses to high tiers in Super.
Naruto and Ichigo stops at Broly (Super).
Adult Naruto Stops at Blue Gogeta in a good fight with Baryon Mode.
I mention this entire concept in the video, if you watched to the end. I just disagree with where they stop.
If you believe Kaguya’s dimensions & Bleach’s dimensions are universal scale (not planetary scale) then they’d be Uni+ to Low-Multi.
Naruto is not faster than flying Raijin, because even Six Paths Naruto used it to get to the battle field- and so has Boruto recently. Which caps Naruto at FTL+ or MFTL.
And Ichigo should be in a similar boat to Naruto as well. With FTL feats, and bunch of upscaling. Immeasurable speed being pretty unlikely? But slightly more so possible than Naruto IMO.
Naruto is the most Hax, Luffy even with the most massive highball is like Star level, and Ichigo has similar stats to Naruto since HoS is just Dangai, plus his hollow & soul reaper/Quincy powers.
Luffy stops at Frieza with a highball (who is Star to Large Star level, with FTL+ to MFTL speed)
And the other two stop at Buu-han, who was going to collapse the universe- just the same as Kaguya or Yhwach (except buuhan is way more Hax than Kaguya, and far more consistently powerful than either below him- as he can 100% be high balled himself, in Low-Multi.)
Those are just my thoughts though. Hopefully that explained everything.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY
I respect your take.
The Naruto Dimensions are really confirmed to be "Universes" in both Data Books and Novels, If we take Storm Games (Yea, as crazy as it sounds, Kishimoto say it is Canon to the series, due not contradicting his work) then Kaguya created a Multiversal Scale real in her battle against Team 7.
Low Multiversal+ to possibly Multiversal, is an alright place for Teen Naruto.
Adult Naruto was beating people who were like Kaguya, but lost to the strongest, until he defeated him using Baryon Mode. | Adult Naruto could be Slightly Multiversal normaly and using Six Paths to Multiversal+ using Baryon Mode.
Teen Naruto was actually keeping up with Minato using Flying Thunder God, and Minato was also in Bijuu Mode, then in Storms Game we can confirm this due Naruto and Minato's Team Ultimate Jutsu. | Teen Naruto at that point was at the same ballpark as the Flying Thunder God jutsu (Crossing Time and Space in an instant - Data Book), Naruto after obtaining Six Paths chakra, he gets faster than that.
Ichigo can be Multi Universal+ with his True Shikai and Bankai, due fighting off Ywach who was about to make the Universe collapse to it's destruction. | Dangai Ichigo is Low Multiversal with MFTL [+] due defeating Aizen who transended everything in Bleach.
Luffy is kinda tricky, normally he can Scale to Planet Level, but If he take the One Piece Planet is bigger than Saturn theory, then he should scale higher, probably around Galaxy Scale, but Luffy is still a physical fighter, I can see him being physical stronger while also using Haki, than both Naruto and Ichigo who will blow him away with Raw Power.
With all that:
Ichigo normally will Stop at U6 vs U7 Tournament Arc from Super.
Dangai Ichigo might Stop at Broly (Super).
Teen Naruto stops at Gogeta (Super Movie), now that I think of it a little more.
Adult Naruto could clear Super Anime, but I can see him stop at Current Goku (Manga).
I am sorry but I am not reading these
@@darinekarameh58
Understandable, no knowledge then.
Ok....
1) The universe meta for naruto is all but mistranslation and where in gods name did u take the immeasurable speed from 💀. Minato while using ftg is still faster than everyone in the verse. Characters could only tag minato because they have precog and would attack where they thought he would go.
2) the universe meta for bleach characters work significantly better than naruto and even then, they still dont have immeasurable speed. If you grant aizen immeasurable speed for reaching transcendence, then we as well grant vasto lorde ichigo from his fight with ulq immeasurable speed too because he has transcendent spiritual pressure.
They aren't clearing Z because of multiple reasons
Buuhan while using vice shout threat the destruction of the 4D dragon ball living universe. The dragon ball living universe is 4D because it contains both the demon realm( which transcends the living world) and the living world(which is by itself infinite 3D).
Kid buu threatened to destroy the grand kaio planet with heaven. The grand kaio planet alone by itself is bigger than the living universe let alone heaven which is even bigger than that. Goku and kid buu fight threatened to destroy the kai planet which also transcends the otherworld which has been said multiple times to be 5D.
Making the dragon ball universe without wank at least 6D if not beyond as broly and gogeta revealed to us another realm which in the guides is considered "a super dimensional one"
If we also use the high ball scaling of dragon ball characters, then we can comfortably get z characters to outerversal( i personally dont agree with the outerversal dragon ball).
Nah great ape vegeta was literally able to tag kaio ken goku, which shocked goku
This is true, but Goku didn't beat that Vegeta. He ran away from him, charging spirit bomb- until someone cut his tail off.
Considering Naruto has clones, and Ichigo could do the cutting by himself- I think they'd be okay.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY my point was that Vegeta being great ape doesn't really hinder his speed
I didn’t mean it hindered his speed, just his flexibility. His physical stats all go up, he’s just not as small, letting things like Goku occasionally dodge him- make more sense.
@@TUCKALMIGHTY Yes, his size being altered did make him nowhere near as agile