What should you do if you roll your tractor??? - TMT
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Set the brakes before trying to right a tractor. Slopes are often a factor in a rollover and you dont want a tractor to take off down a hill while tied to something else.
That is quite important. You can find quite a number of fail compilations featuring people flipping equipment or vehicles that tipped without making any preparations to make sure it stayed after it was righted.
@@ILikeWafflz true
We are tryin ro figure out how to dig out our Mahindra today. Hubs got a little too close to the edge of the hill where he was depositing dirt by his shed. The dirt shifted and now the tractor is leaning over sideways a bit and can't back out of it. He tried using the backhoe to pull himself back up from the uphill side, and only dug a hole. Then he tried to push/lift himself w the backhoe from the downhill side and made the tractor slide iff and tip further. Right now he has the backhoe swung over to the downhill side for now, holding it up, just in case as well as the downhill side "foot" is extended as well. And he is on the phone niw w our neighbor that runs heavy equipment. We are noobs. Lesson learned.
Wouldn't that be a day. You just dumped the tractor, then you sent it rolling out of control while putting it upright.
The first rule of tractors is DONT ROLL YOUR TRACTOR.
Grew up with grandfathers 1940's case tricycle. Always told if your going uphill go up hill, across hill go across hill Never turn on a hill.
That right there is a good grandpa
Been there, done that. And to Jaysons point below, the quicker the engine is killed, the better off the outcome is going to be. In my case, it was about three seconds before I could reach the kill. Everything did fine, and in the 12 years since then, I have not rolled it again. ;-)
That must have been fun
How did you survive said roll?
Great info that I pray I never need to utilize!! The turning the engine off seems logical but still an excellent point. Great stuff Neil!! Much appreciated for sharing!
If you are turning the engine manually for this reason in particular it is helpful to turn the engine in the reverse of normal rotation. Doing this will send any excessive fluid into the exhaust. If at any point the engine stops turning, do not force it, change direction to the normal rotation. If you can't make two full revolutions in either direction the engine is hydro locked on two or more cyl's.
Usually you can make two full rev's in reverse rotation, however if the engine has a aftertreatment system you don't want to send the fluid out the exhaust.
great advice, wish you gave it to us 2 years ago when I rolled my car, this information is very basic and easy to understand but not many people tend to know what to do
I've rolled my Kubota twice since I purchased it in 1985. Both times I was on a steep incline and a wheel either fell in a hole or the uphill tire hit a rock. It doesn't take much when your near the tipping point of your tractor! I was able to shut the engine off quickly both times, and the roll bar kept it from continuing to roll. The first time another contractor with a 4x4 pulled it right side up; the second I used a come along attached to a tree. Both times I pulled from near the top of the roll bar, and both times my battery leaked acid and had to be refilled and cleaned. Other than that she runs fine, but thank God for those roll bars!!
gary bulwinkle saved my ass a couple of times!
Remind me to stay away from you. I have enough bad luck and with yours in the area we would be in serious trouble. Lol. Glad you were ok
My just rolled on me tonight. I took the key out and the engine kept running with a bunch of white smoke, ran until it died. Have a feeling the engine burnt out. Crazy. Lucky to be alive
Most important thing , don't tell your wife !!
Indeed
I had to....I needed her to help me right it.
You won’t have to your dead
Totally! 🤣
I had someone roll a SAMA diesel tractor onto it''s side pulling logs into a landing. He yelled for me, he was off the tractor when it rolled. I ran down and didn't turn it off. I unhooked the cable from the logs and wrapped it around a tree and stood the tractor back up. It puffed one small puff of blue smoke then settled down into a regular idle. We went back to work and the tractor never had a problem. According you what I hear here that was the wrong way to deal with it, but it worked.
Excellent advice on something I wouldn't have thought about.
Thanks! You have excellent videos. I've got a 1990 Kubota L2900.
Great video and very helpful- thanks Neal!
I think the first thing you need to talk about shutting the engine off ASAP .so the sump doesn’t run dry killing the motor! The engine will keep running if the tractor was in neutral when it rolled !
The oil film on everything doesn't just instantly disappear the second the sump is dry. Of course after a little while components will lose lubrication and start to get messed up, but as long as you shut the engine off in a reasonable time frame its fine.
@@Eggsr2bcrushed it's just a reasonable time frame is not that long.
1. Kill engine
2. Roll it back over
3. Let it sit for a while
4. Remove glow / spark plugs and turn engine over a few revolutions
5. Reinstall glow / spark plugs
6. Check all fluid levels (hydraulic, coolant, oil, fuel)
7. Fire it up and get back to work
"but did you DIE?!?!" 😂
Just don't get in a hurry. Up & down the slope. Not side to side. Especially where I live on the side of the mountain 👍🇺🇸
Thanks Neil !!!!
I work for the road dept in my county. We have rolled several pieces of equipment. The 2 drum roller, the rubber tired roller, backhoe, excavator, shoulder mower, dump trucks, all have been on their side.
Great advice
If I dump a tractor and live through it, I'm not going to be in any hurry to get back on. In fact, before trying to put it up right, it's gonna sit there while I go take care of my bucket list.
I put my B2320 on it's side.....once, about 3 weeks after I bought it. The turf tires kept any part of the tractor from touching the ground. For about 3 months after that I was so careful it took me twice as long to do any loader work.....but now I always use a counterweight, keep the load low and know where I can't go.
I had my 3 bottom plow hanging from the loader to set it on my trl when on a slight hill it swung and started picking my back tire up. I hit the brake first but when tire is on its way up the brake aint doing much then dumped my loader. The plow swung within 6 inches of taking out my trk bed. More ballast would have helped. Flat ground big thing. Yes my tractor is a tricycle front however a wide front would act the same way
I once rolled my tractor and later that night when I was sleeping I woke up and shit my pants. My fluids must have been in places they don't belong.
Got a wall of bent conrods hanging up from my rental tractors being rolled.......never had that problem back when crankcase vent tubes were the norm. Since they switched to closed PCV systems, its been almost a guarantee a rod will bend unless the customer is really quick with the shutdown (almost never!)
Steve po : Yup, thank god for all the modern emissions crap on engines today (EGR, PCV, DEF, DPF, LMNOPQRSTUV... Ya gotta love it all - NOT! Emissions controls - continuing to cause mass destruction, hassles, and expensive headaches for all!
Steve po : Oh, and I'd recommend disconnecting the PCV shit and putting the engine breather system back to normal/old school. Won't hurt a thing, and I guarantee it would save you a fortune in money/expensive engine repairs on your rolled equipment. (Before the idiot customers roll them, of course.)
Where are good tie down points when trailering? And with this episode, where would you attach lines to right a rolled tractor. I understand the latter question has many variables but I’ve often wondered why like automobiles tractors are not supplied with tie down “rings.”
A friend had a F250 with a fuel injector get stuck and flood a cylinder. Luckily it didnt bend a rod trying to crank when the leaky injector was discovered. After the replacement came in, we pulled the old one, put a rag in the port to catch the fuel, and turned it over. It shot the rag out, and sent a jet of diesel about 30-40 feet. Everything was fine after that, but boy was that a bit of a surprise how much pressure it came out with.
should be a day course for the use of the tracker or any farm equipment special on a riding lawn mowers
Thank you. Great information!
If you can, shut off engine immediately. Get away from tractor and seek medical attention if needed. Tractor is no where near as important as you are. Remember, machines are replaceable, you are not. You may also need to return home to clean up and to change your underwear. LOL
Now, swallow your pride and go get other folks to help you to get the machine back upright. Be sure to take key from the ignition (if applicable) and put in your pocket! (That will prevent anyone from trying to start engine.) TAKE YOUR TIME AND BE PATIENT. Take your time and upright tractor slowly and safely, making sure that it is secured and cannot roll away in any direction once uprighted. Use of blocking / chocking and extra straps/chains are recommended.
Check battery and neutralize any spilled acid with baking soda. You can also flush the hell out of the area with excessive amounts of water (not very practical unless you are already back near a water source). Turn engine over backwards (if possible) by hand until you can get at least 2 full revolutions. This may prove to be difficult with some engines due to lack of access and may need to be done back at a shop where tools and other things are available to gain access to manually rotate engine.
Check all fluids (engine oil, coolant, trans/hydraulic, battery) and make sure they are in the "safe zones". If not, fill to appropriate levels. Once you are certain that engine is not hydrolocked and will freely crank over, you should be ready to attempt to start engine. Again make sure tractor is secure, not in any forward or reverse gear, and attempt to start engine.
Once engine begins running, expect a lot of smoke from the exhaust and other possible strange happenings once engine fires up at first. All should calm down and dissipate rather quickly as engine continues to run and warm back up. Pay attention to everything, including gauges and indicator (idiot) warning lights.
If you take your time and use common sense, your unfortunate mishap will be much less of a loss overall. Oh, and call your insurance company if you have farm/equipment insurance (hopefully). Often times any decent insurance will help to pay to get your tractor repaired.
Hi & thanks Turbo Diesel
I was unconscious when I left the Cab via rear window and landed about 20 ft from where the tractor an I parted company when I came to my dominant right shoulder was the size of Rugby ball (all my rotator cuff muscles were later found to be ripped from my shoulder) and was lying on some burnt out Gorse which is a bushy plant with 3/4 inch thorns.
I didn't turn the key off as it was my intention to drive the bitch out when we came to a stop! but the rules were changed?
You all have a good day the sun is shining and its 14 Deg C and its 6th May Autumn here winter starts around June. May get to mow lawns once more before winter sets in and depending on what type of winter we have maybe I have to start mowing them late July - August.
I live in the southern South Island at about 46 Deg south but still a long way from Antarctica .
Bye all and have a good productive summer season
Didn’t know that, thank you! I love your videos!
I lucked out rolled compact tractor and then got it stood up and sure enough engine was hydraulic locked with oil in cylinder when i turned key to restart engine.Like he said don't try to start without having it checked out good.
Thanks for the video.
To be honest the first thing I expected to hear was DO NOT JUMP OFF!!! Unless you will be harmed by something entering the cab area, ride the tractor to a stop. Then kill the engine, carefully exit the equipment, and finally check for damage (personal and equipment). You would be surprised what injuries you don't notice when in an accident.
the industry has a recommendation for this. You should not jump Only If the roll bar is up and you're wearing a seatbelt. Otherwise you're to get away from the machine as quickly as possible.
Yes, and the ROPS should ALWAYS be up and seatbelt on when in normal use. The problem is jumping from a piece of equipment that is rolling is extraordinarily dangerous. It is almost impossible to jump away from the direction of rotation unless you get out just as it starts to tip, otherwise you end up jumping direction of the roll and will likely get very hurt. I know people don't like wearing the belts because *reasons*, but that's no excuse to operate industrial equipment unsafely. I've seen the results first hand from a fork truck rollover.
I got flat land so little chance of rolling it.
Preventing the rollover is the best plan.
Sure hope I don't need this advice!
Thx Neil. Cheers 🇨🇦
I’m surprised there isn’t some sort of bubble level sensor that can indicate an unsafe angle prior to rollover. Something that could electronically sense ballast weights and implement changes.
Never a bad video. Keep it up
Good advice. My son turned over my little Kioti tractor they got it upright and I told him to put a ratchet and a socket on and slowly turn the engine by hand and when he got a lot of resistance to stop wait a few minutes and then he's it around again then he calls back and says it will turn very easy now I said well now you can start it
I noticed your antifreeze is green. Can you use the red type antifreeze for those kind of engines
great information
Always wear your seatbelt, do NOT try to jump off the tractor. More people die from trying to jump off than don't. Having a fire extinguisher at hand wouldn't hurt.
After utilizing the info in the video I would recommend checking all the lugnuts before moving the tractor, primarily on the side of impact.
I also would recommend before trying to start the engine to change the oil. Fuel and possibly antifreeze could compromise your engine oil.
All great tips you don't want to hydro lock the engine ! but the best tip would be is to not roll your tractor ! LOL stay safe working ! Curt :-)
hey Neil, first off, thank you for another interesting and informative video. for future TMT's, I would suggest doing some chainsaw tips/safety stuff. you are a Stihl dealer, so that shouldn't be hard. thanks.
Too late for me Teagan, I have scars on both legs from my Stihl.... just glad that both times the saw was only idling (still took 17 stitches to sew it up). Now, I use my EGO battery powered saw.... the chain stops when you release the trigger! :) (my wife hid my Stihl)
the term is hydraulic the motor similar to getting water in a boat motor.
I would first thing truncated the key off running or not good info though
mine has a decomp lever, it just holds valves open.
ZOMG that row of skid steers in the background.
Thanks!!✌🏻
Thank very informative!
yeah, realized that i have 3 similar situations, things can happen very fast
Correction: The damage is from the liquid NOT compressing. The engine is designed to compress gases. If the liquid compressed, there would not be a problem. Liquids do not compress. Basic physics. This means that with liquid in the cylinder as the piston comes up, and the cylinder volume decreases, the liquid will not compress and get smaller. If there is not enough space left for the volume of liquid, it must find space somewhere. It will either stop the piston dead, breaking the rod, crank, and/or piston or find a way to escape, through the cylinder wall, head gasket, and or valves.
Btw, both gases and liquids are fluids. Gases are compressible fluids and liquids are non compressible fluids.
Have a new r630 my driver rolled it ,have the best insurance u can buy ,15k in damage windows plastic etc,thing that sucks is they dont give you a loaner anything how are you supposed to work while its getting repaired🤷🏻♂️
Fluid does not compress (compact) -- might as well have solid cement on top of the piston
You don't want to just walk off, need to check the battery, it likely dumped acid and you want to get the neutralized.
Most don't. Sealed.
Still not a bad idea to check.
Good to know
Similar if the tractor gets flooded. Played this game with a tractor for irrigation sitting down by a creek. Twice.
Roll it back onto its wheels. Did I get it right?
So, hypothetically (ha), say I got it righted, started the engine immediately, and drove it home (1/4 mile) without issue. Is it reasonable to assume I got lucky and the engine's okay?
take it to a dealer to get the ROPS (roll over protective structure) checked out
Is it safe to tow the tractor(across the land, not on a trailer) after a roll once it's standing back up, but before you attempt repairing hydrolock/cylinder venting and drainage? Asking for future reference.
Well is it a gear shift tranny or a hydro. If gear then i would say yes if hydro maybe. Moms lawn tractor has the pull lever if pushing. The hydro range selector on the compacts in a neautral position it may be ok to tow but i would check your manual for towing when not running
I rolled my B2650, no damage but now it stalls when I try to accelerate with the hydrostatic pedal, if I let off the pedal in time, the tractor roars back to life. Everything else works fine (front and back end attachments, and it idles great in both turtle and rabbit). Any thoughts on what could be causing this issue?
What ended up being the issue? The seat switch?
We get what you mean but fluid doesn't compress and it's why the piston will push fluid ans the rods will bend
Hi all
I was unfortunate to have a mishap with a Ford 7840 just over 11 yrs ago the tractor ended up over the plough line and where the tractor stopped unknown to me there was what we call an under runner this is where water has flowed under the surface leaving a thin crust, the downside rear wheel broke through and I was thrown out the back window (if I was wearing the lap belt the accident inspector said I would be dead) on the third roll in an unconscious state and when I came to I was unable to stand the result was a broken neck causing a spinal leasion.
I am now Tetraplegic (Quadriplegic in US) but I'm still alive.
Have a good day all
Graham Peters : Damn, that sucks... real bad. Not sure what else to say. Glad you are alive? I'm really not sure, are you? I personally would rather have died, rather than be a Quadriplegic. Sorry to hear about your horrible circumstances.
Turbo Diesel Can’t believe it! You suck .
....anyone can safely roll a tractor if they have enough altitude; 5,000 feet AGL is a good starting point for rolling.
The landings however, always tend to suck.
Just be careful to not run out of altitude, airspeed, and ideas at the same time.
I was told by an individual who told me that the Kubota is the worst tractor for tipping (rolling over). I have never heard this before and I would like to hear anyone's thoughts on this. Thank You!
That makes no sense at all. Simple physics. Nothing makes a Kubotas center of gravity different than any other tractor.
@@MessicksEquip That was my thoughts too, I just needed it to hear it from someone else. Thank you!
big fail by not saying that the first thing to do is SHUT THE TRACTOR OFF!!
Blake Ruggieri realy man realy most people would of done that already but if you are so stupid to read a manual or watch a video when they say : yeah guys the first importent thing to do is realy dont forget to put the tractor off
You got it Blake you are a special kind of stupid.
@@kosovaalbania4286 I've seen people dump all kinds of vehicles. From tractors and fork lifts to jeeps and atvs. Typically they don't shut it off right away. They piss around for a fair bit of time before cutting it.
If you're not squashed like a bug, wouldn't that be obvious?
@@BlackKettleRanch No, the 'obvious' thing, if you have a backhoe, is to let it run and use the backhoe to right it.
i thought you levde the mosheen for 24 owrs to prvnt ren uwaes
Bring back TMT
I'm still doing them frequently
Hey Neil, is there anything I should keep in mind if I happen to roll my tractor on purpose?
KingJanic : Get yourself evaluated by a psychologist. Something's obviously wrong with you.
KingJanic Wait for the boss to come with your pink slip and to take you to a medical center for a urinalysis and a drug test.
If we do roll the tractor where would be the best places to put the straps to upright it?
the frame, rear axles and possibly loader mounts if they are strong enough. you want quite a few connections to spread the load out as much as possible.
You also need to make a secure attachment so it does not roll over the other direction!
Thank you Andy and Gord
Gord Baker & Mech Uno : Gord makes a good point... Also, you want to upright it as slowly as possible, particularly as it crests its imaginary balance point as the machine is returning back upright. Reason being, it is much less likely to tip over the other direction from the momentum it gains while tipping back over/upright. Think of how a pendulum works, swinging back and forth. Similar concept.
Let's see if there are any youtube videos of tractor rolls.
I just rolled mine. I’m gonna have a video uploaded shortly.
Hi all
I was unfortunate to have a mishap with a Ford 7840 just over 11 yrs ago the tractor ended up over the plough line and where the tractor stopped unknown to me there was what we call an under runner this is where water ha flowed under the surface leaving a thin crust, the downside rear wheel broke through and I was thrown out the back window (if I was wearing the lap belt the accident inspector said I would be dead) on the third roll in an unconscious state and when I came to I was unable to stand the result was a broken neck causing a spinal leasion.
I am now Tetraplegic (Quadriplegic in US) but I'm still alive.
Have a good day all
sorry to hear, that is a real tough experience
That's a reality everyone needs to hear. Too many people think it can't happen to them. Thoughts and prayers.
Sinkholes are an operators worst enemy.
Thank you for telling your story.
Thanks for your replies I have came a long way since 2007 I drive a modified Kia Carnival LWB (Sedona) which has a lowered floor and I drive from my Permobil power chair.
There will always be someone who is worse off than you.
Thanks from NZ
thanks, you are a gem, so have a good day
wait 24 hrs, not just for the tractor, but for you own emotional and psychological reset. the "knee jerk" response will always result in more bad news. Get it back on wheels with breaks Locked and wheels Chocked. Next day you will have a clear mission.
Used to roll my B7100 all the time it was tippy over a piece of gravel. I bought a bigger tractor, problem solved!
You should do a video on "how to right a tractor", I bet a lot of owners just kind of rough it and connect straps to anything they can find...
well i think most people would say oh shit as it going over and then i would most likely would say ouch ! if you are not not past out or dead or crushed to death
Don't these machines come with a rollover kill switch? They should.
Dimi K nope not in America we don’t like extra safeties
Hell we got so many safeties already we can't get these beeches to run!
Good common sense advice!
Ii wanna see a demonstration 😂
Adam Sounds good. You are the selected driver for the demo.
Adam : Join or attend a Farmedic class at a college or vocational school. They do training exercises with mach rollovers a lot. Many fire departments do such training as well. (I know you were just being a smart-ass, but I'm being serious.)
Stunk or bend
What you should do if you rolled your tractor? Don't be under it! Thanks, Tim
"what should you do, if you roll your tractor"? consider yourself lucky you're alive, say, daang and go get a beer!
Hydrolock it
Do tractors have seat belts?
Mine does, only a lap belt.
know the limits of your tractor, if it doesnt look safe it probably is not. do not put yourself and your expensive equipment at risk.
Have
I saw a deuce punched 60+ shift 5th to second threw the head 200 yards in the air.
What if you do it on purpose?
i rolled one tractor it took me a week to get back on it
Was expecting to see info on how to right the tractor, shutting it off and not starting it right up seems like a no brainier, unless maybe you think you can drive it back up...
Step one: cry; step two...
You cannot compress a liquid that is why things go boom!
Fluid does not compress.
*tries" to compress the fluid, not "it compresses the fluid* must be a new super special fluid that Kubota developed. Careful how you word things, Facebook will be full of this new "Kubota only compressible fluid."
If it takes seconds for the the shit to go to the top it will take seconds to get back down not 24hr ... maybe 10 mins max max have a beer and then start it up . Not wait for 24 hrs that’s a joke.
Mike Smith probably got more time in a set and on the tools with Equitment buddy but try again if you got nothing else to do.
First thing is check your credit remaining on agri financing...
14 sec... He said 'roll your tractor by accident'. WHAT... who would do this on purpose???
That’s why you wear the brown pants
you for got the roll cage damage. most tractors the roll cage is made from special metal, GLX. I.E. you cant use it if it has been bent. and just cant straighten it. and you cant just weld it.
Shut it off immediately
1st to do is buy yourself a case of pampers and wipies.