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Barbarians - What Did It ACTUALLY Mean To Be a Barbarian?
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- Let's have another look at the Netflix series Barbarians and let's learn what it meant to be a barbarian from a Roman Imperial point of view, on a social, cultural and juridical level, and let's have fun!
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Ancient Roman civilisation has contributed to modern government, law, politics, engineering, art, literature, architecture, technology, warfare, religion, language and society. Rome professionalised and expanded its military and created a system of government called res publica, the inspiration for modern republics such as the United States and France.
The Navy was significant in the Roman conquest of the Mediterranean Basin. During the First punic war the Roman Navy was bolstered and played an instrumental role in the Republic's victory and supremacy in that area. During the imperial period there was no maritime enemy for the Romans, so the Navy was reduced in numbers and tasked with patrol and escort missions. In the 3rd century, when the Empire declined, the Navy was diminished too and from that moment on it wasn's capable of resisting the assaults of the barbarians pirates rising in the Mediterranean.
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For me it's fascinating how Romans conquered the north of Spain. They someted some tribes by force, but most of them were something like this:
Roman officer: How's the leader here?
Tribe leader: Me, What happens?
Roman officer: Do you want us to educate one of your kids in Rome? If you accept we'll leave you alone.
Tribe leader: I would accept, but he has to pray to the Night Pantheon and the God of the Oak (or other random god)
Roman officer: We already praise the Night Pantheon, just different names (their gods were similar enough with most other cultures for lies like this to be credible). And we'll build an altar to your oak god in Rome.
After that chat, the kid is raised as a roman so when he comes back to be the leader of the tribe and sees no baths, he probably makes them become part of Rome to get back some of his luxuries. And the statue of the God of the Oak is decoration in the house of some random rich guy.
Edit: The Night Pantheon is a modern name for the main Celtic Gods like Tutatis/Teutanes
Something i appreciate is the Islamic conquest. The Spanish were reduced to the tiniest piece of land that no one else wanted. Yet they held that, and expanded. 800 frigging years to reclaim the peninsula. And a powerful (if smaller) neighbor came to be in the process, Portugal. Too small to subdue Spain, but too strong to be absorbed by Spain. Through this lens, i have to see their invasion into central America. The Spanish and Portuguese were still in Holy War mode against Islam. They had become very hardened people. By this time, all war is a Holy War. And throughout the middle ages... if you wanted a strong Queen for your nation, choose her from the Spanish/Portuguese royalty.
Makes sense considering the roman habit of seeing other gods as the greekoroman ones under different names. For example, Tor/Thor was interpreted as Hercules/Heracles.
I would like to learn about the spanish religion of the time, if you dont mind. Do you have any suggestions where I, as someone who does not speak spanish, can read more? Googling night pantheon gave no good results.
@@torbjornlekberg7756 Look on google for the religion of the Visigoths,that's a good starting point.
@@xenomorphphantom8991 Thank you.
@Alvi Syahri He meant someone to marry if you are a monarch
"What is a barbarian" you ask? Anyone not subscribed to Metatron. Simple as.
Brian E Best descriptor I can think of!
Luv me republic
Luv me gladiators
Luv me maniples
Simple as
Among the barbarian tribes they fought and robbed each other if he stole the women of other tribes.barbarians for their pleasure and also to sell to the Romans .....
"Barbarians are people who's speech is unintelligable"
** Listens to Arnold Schwarzenegger talk while playing Conan The Barbarian
"Yup, sounds legit"
CROM!
If you can say “Schwarzenegger”, you’re barbarian. If you can write it correctly, you’re very barbarian.
Right, but on the other hand, i've seen youtuber whose native language is english that were worse
LOL Makes sense
Bleaarghargh!
"These Romans are crazy!"
- Obelix.
in german its "die spinnen die römer"
@@miliba In "Babarian"
Well none can doubt that goths where better than late romans.
@@MNalias one of my best friends is dutch, my mother language is spanish so I always tease her whenever I hear that she speaks dutch telling her to stop the barbarian gibberish hahaha
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 the northmen where always better
-Oden
Scorpiō Lūcius suprā nōminātus tē salūtat! 😃Summās grātiās tibi agō, cāre Metatron, quod meum canālem tam benignē laudāstī! Thanks so much, my friend. Outstanding video! Your analysis of Rōmānitās is spot on, from your citing one of my favorite authors (Plautus!), to the in depth analysis of "barbarismus" and citizenship. Bravo!
What form is laudasti? A contraction of laudavisti?
@@corvus_da that’s exactly right! 😃 and Italian and Spanish use the contacted form in their preterite tenses for 2nd person singular.
This is the greatest crossover since Gaius Julius Caesar, Marcus Licinius Crassus, and Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus formed the First Triumvirate.
@@ScorpioMartianus Thanks!😃
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"Joining the army and learning latin" sounds like the French foreign legion
@Boricua 787 Huh?
Well, serve the French Legion and you will be granted the citizenship
@@dangle3392 Fr ?
Wasn’t it only if u bleed for the legion that u got granted citizenship?
@@Auto-Toon A legionnaire can ask the citizenship if he's wounded during combat (since 1999) or after three years of service.
Join the roman infantry! Service guarantees citizenships!
Want to know more?
Underated comment.
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I'm from Germania and I say kill'em all!
I think some are missing your glorious reference to the federation.
Summerize Roman history in a sentence: "sometimes it went well, sometimes they got assassinated" 😂
Sometimes there was civil war.
Sometimes it was glorious.
Or wait a minute, glory is eternal.
Somea times maybe gooda, somea times maybe shita - Gattuso
Sometimes both: Aurelian
Remember though Cleopatra was a Ptolemy a descendant of one of Alexander's generals, so technically she was Greek.
Not only Greek, but also a descendant of one of Alexander's generals.
@@kesorangutan6170 Only Demosthenes said that in one of his speaches against Philip and they were at war at the time.
It makes me laugh so much, the attempts at historical revisionism going on these days.
“The Egyptians were black”
“Cleopatra was black”
“WE WUZ KANGZ”
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂 sorry, history says NO.
@@JesusFriedChrist I haven't heard many people try to claim that Cleopatra was black, since it's pretty common knowledge that she was a Ptolemaic ruler. I have heard people try to claim that Egyptians were Black, but usually it's in response to people who claim that Egypt was not really a "Black" civilization. This is usually presented as evidence that Black people haven't had any great civilizations on account of their "racial inferiority." Unfortunately for both sides of this silliness, to say that Egyptians were "White," "Black," or anything else along those lines is extremely anachronistic and ahistorical. Egypt had a diverse and cosmopolitan civilization that spanned millennia and drew people from all over, and their methods of determining kinship and heritage were very different from the modern notions of clear cut racial delineations based on the color of one's skin. The whole idea of "White" and "Black" as legitimate and total classifications is a recent one, and it's not based on science in any way.
so she was racially Greek
but culturally Egyptian?
I really liked the fact, that Arminius looked very Roman. It emphasized how Roman he was and felt until he came back to Germania. As well, it will be a very nice double contrast in season 2, when he will have an argument with his brother Flavus - who is hopefully displayed blonde in the show, I mean the name...duh... - at the river Weser.
You will have a more Roman looking brother, who wants to be a German and a German looking brother who wants to be Roman, arguing about their identity. That could be very interesting.
P.S.: There were probably more blonds in Germania then in Italia, but very likely also a lot with darker or even black hair.
I am half German, half Italian and my hair is brown. In fact most modern Germans have brown hair. I'm pretty sure the situation back then was not thaaaatt different...
@@archangelrsr1326 it was tho. We Germans are really mixed. Especially the south. Obviously because Germany is in the middle of Europe.
@@archangelrsr1326 Eastern Germany and of course Austria are heavily mixed with Slavs. These areas were settled by the Slavs a later conquered by the Germans. There are Slavic remains like Lusatian Sorbs in Germany and Slovenes in southern Austria. And there was a lot of mixing with other peoples as well.
Closet to germans are probably Danish or some swedes lol
@@archangelrsr1326 The more you get to the north, the more blonds and red haired people you find. You also find more big nosed people in the south. I highly doubt, this was the case 2k years ago. Especially the Germans didn't want to mix up with other cultures.
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!
Cohen the Barbarian’s answer was better.
It's crush ya enemehs, see dem dreben befoar you and to hear the lamentehshon of their wahmen!
To crush your coffee beans, see them ground up before you, and to hear the percolation of their brewing!
@nickyiil but if you kill everyone, there won't be anyone to make more stuff for you to plunder again later.
THE LAMENTAYSHUN OF DER WEHMEEEEEEEN!!!
Interesting thing is that Slavic word for Germans is Nemci and "nem" basically means mute, so, something alongside the lines of barbarian, but, it was never used as a pejorative, it simply means "those that we can not understand" and "slovo" from "Sloveni", Slavs, literally means letter in modern Slavic languages, or those that we do understand.
hey that's an interesting bit! Thanks for sharing mate!
It is also very interesting how Germans are named differently by English, Slavic and Nordic people (that we know of). I wonder why that is?
@@Vartra I do not know about the others, but Slavic peoples have different name for Germans because they were the first foreign group we encounter, basically in pre-history. It's a very old, tribal, name, predating naming conventions by, probably, tens of thousands of years.
@@VelikiHejter whats the word bro? Don't leave me in anticipation! :(
One theory is that the word Slavs comes from Slovo, but the other is that it comes from "Slava" or glory, which I personally like more. Pozdrav!
"Je teaches Latin in very fun way" reminded me of the "Romanus eunt domus" scene from Life of Brian.
The bit at the start reminds me of story in the late empire, where the Roman army went to report a victory to a city, which shut the soldiers out until the Emperor came by because the soldiers in the Roman army were just too similar to the German army that was just defeated.
propably they were just germanic mercenaries, as was common in the late empire.
that doesn't really make sense, you can recognize roman soldiers by their uniform
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 not really if it was late roman
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 That was very much not the case in the late empire.
@@bubbasbigblast8563 if you say so
You should do “How historically accurate is Asterix & Obelix” next.
@@kesorangutan6170 yeah, not wearing pants in cold weather would be strange... :D
Fully. Duh. Didn´t you see the skeleton of a two headed unicorn in the British Museum
Who were the barbarians?
"Non-Romans," said the Romans, being invaded by non-Romans.
I was looking for a Bill Wurtz explanation. Nice!
any one who not citizen is....
Bill Wurtz does make a good video .
R.I.P Roman Empire
Among the barbarian tribes they fought and robbed each other if he stole the women of other tribes.barbarians for their pleasure and also to sell to the Romans ....
Imagine coming into a tavern and asking "I am looking for a guy from here. I didn't get his full name, but it starts with Marcus Aurelius. Do you know him?" xD
The emperor in disguise: *Sweating suddenly
@@drakefang8368 The emperor: *sweats in philosophy*
Me being a Greek guy in 1st century AD: "ΠΑΣ ΜΗ ΕΛΛΗΝ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΣ"
(Wild Roman with Gladius approaching)
"ΠΑΣ ΜΗ ΕΛΛΗΝ ΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΡΩΜΑΙΟΣ ΒΑΡΒΑΡΟΣ"
Me No Overstand whaf Girly Man Jus Saye
@@ronjayrose9706 My interpretation of your comment: "Bar bar bar bar bar bar..."
Вы бы считали нас русскими варварами? мы оба следуем правильной церкви.
To everyone who's about to ask, it means: "Everyone [who is] not Greek [is] a barbarian." - "Everyone [who is] neither Greek nor Roman [is] a barbarian."
Bar bar bar bar, bar, bar bar! Bar bar, bar bar bar bar bar. Bar bar.
Luke from ScorpioMartianus is amazing, glad to see you collaborating! If you ever need help on the Gaulish language though, I am here!
That's so nice of you to say! You're amazing too 😃especially if you know Gaulish! Ande yes, I'm interested haha.
@@ScorpioMartianus I do not speak Gaulish as well as you speak Latin. We don't know much about Gaulish verbs so that limits what we can do with it. Though I know the grammar and many nouns and adjectives. But thank you! People are often surprised to hear that Gaulish sounds like Latin; you would have no problems pronouncing it.
I want to see you on Ecolinguist!
Europeans vs Gaulish
@@JesusFriedChrist I would gladly do it if there were more verbs to work with!
The slavic word for slavs is a variation of "Słowianie" wich comes from the word "słowa" meaning words. As in slavs are people who use words. On the other hand people who arent slavic dont use uctual words, they speak gibberish. To this day in many slavic languages the word for Germans is Niemcy wich is derrived from "niemi" (unable to speak)
@Pasha Staravoitau ah yes scottish and irish germans...the bagpipes were never so loud!
It’s actually kind of remarkable how widespread Old Slavonic was. Even now, Ukrainian and Russian are close enough that someone who speaks one language can innately understand about 50% of the other. I can’t understand Polish but notice the same roots in many of its words.
What’s even more interesting is when you find Latin and Greek words in Russian, like biblioteca (library)...
@Raymond Foster Celts are different from Germans just like how Slavs are different from Greeks, Romans, And Baltic peoples they're all different groups of Indo-Europeans
@@QualityPen and czech and slovak are even closer. As a Slovak I can understand 99% of czech. Regarding polish it is bit difficult, but if Pole doesn´t speak very fast I can understand like 60%-70%
@Pasha Staravoitau thats interesting. My guess is becouse Russians were more isolated they still used the original word for every non-slav rather than making new terms for different peoples.
The Metatron and Scorpio Martianus?? I think I came.
Came where?
...Vidi, Vici?
~Hands over a box of tissue~
@@TakCWAL Thank you, that's very thoughtful.
*Metatron et Scorpio Martianus?? VENI.
"Bar Bar Bar..."
(Edit) - Me & You except Greeks
Bar bar bar bar Barbara Ann!
CHAOS GUTEMBAG!!!!
Santa Barbara
Rhabarberbarbarasbarbarenbierbar barbarenbartbarbiersbärbelsbarbarenbierbart?🍻
It is very funny that we Germans are calling a lot of words without any content: ,,Bla Bla''
I think it is also important to notice Cleopatra was of Greek heritage. She was, for all intents and purposes, what we today would consider "White" or more specifically "Mediterranean"
More like half Mediterranean half Persian due to the intermarrying between the Seleucid (which where already half Persian) and Ptolemaic dynasties
@@zhilinskysproject5543 Persians look white enough that if they spoke any European language you probably wouldn't notice
I don't care what they tell you in school, Cleopatra was Black! 😂😅😂
Yeah. She black. I saw it on Netflix. They wouldn't lie
That race swapping makes me so sick. What does the woke mob want? That whites are exterminated or that we stand on hands and feet and be sprayed black. What does skin color matter
Using a bonus action to rage.
For the next round I suggest reckless attack.
@@torbjornlekberg7756 GREAT WEAPON MASTER!
Metatron: "He doesn't look very German, in fact he looks Italian."
Lombards: *Am I a joke to you?*
To be fair Lombardia was in the most Northwest part of Italian peninsula.
Langobarden is the german name.
What do Germans look like anyway? Even Finland has plenty of people who are not blond at all (including me) even though the stereotype is that we should be.
@@valkeakirahvi The Southwest center region we have less than 20 percent of blonde people. East North has about 40 percent not blonde people. Hair color can be changed with few genes but the whole facial phenotype is more set. However the more mixed nation is (check out the haplogroups in every country) the more unified the phenotype is. It would be more appropriate to speak about Central European phenotype rather than restrict the definition within artificially created borders.
@@ReasonAboveEverything That's the point. I don't think there is one look that modern Germans, or historical Germanic people can be caracterised with.
You forgot the most common way to gain Roman citizenship: Being slave of a Roman citizen and obtain manumission. Freed slaves would receive the praenomen and nomen of their former owner. And while they would not be full citizens themselves, their children would. This was probably even more common than through military service.
I think he didn't talked about it because of the subject in question: how civilized barbarians gained citizenship. But I could be wrong. Thanks for the information nonetheless! o/
manumissio originated early in Roman Law as a form of emancipating male children via "sale" to be slaves trans tibere
@@YnotTheTony I'd bet that slavery is banned subject with youtube policies, since americans rapped the term...
@@rysiii811 oooooh you're right! I often forget about this issue :/
@Andro mache American slaves were not paid for their daily work. However, they could earn money on their side jobs after they finished their quota of daily work. Furthermore, manumission in America was more common in the 1700s, but decreased after the invention of the cotton gin and the demand for intensive physical labor increased (the price of manumission had to be agreed upon by the master, so they could set a higher or lower price).
Conan the barbarian who joined the imperial army to gain citizenship doesn’t really have as nice of a ring to it.
Conan the Citizen, we forget he was a barbarian as soon as he becomes a citizen. Conan predated the Romans by at least 3,000 years, of course. Everybody was a Barbarian, then.
I have just discovered that the Romans had a word for "citizen of the world" - _cosmicos._
@@pattheplanter the romans were too cosmopolitan it was their downfal.
Conan the storm trooper
@@robby7025 Bs, falsehood, that was one of the reasons of their splendour and success.
@@dusk6159 You are right. It was their inability to persuade Huns, Goths and Turks to become Roman citizens that was their big failure. Come to think of it, they didn't manage to keep Romans in the Roman Empire, that could be regarded as rather careless.
"Young man!, are you talented?."
Young man, are you down on your fortunes?.
There's is no need to keep your life wasted!.
Come and join the L.E.G.I.O.N and earn your citizenship.
Young man there is no need to waste your life as a barbarian.
Young man no need to raid for your basic needs.
Come and join the L.E.G.I.O.N!."
I want this translated in actual Latin
What if we like raiding?
My favourite thing about him is that he can make a full on video with armour on like it is nothing.
Something about seeing him lecture us while wearing armour just makes me so incredibly happy.
I'm glad to hear that. Lately I've been wearing my Armour 12 hours a day
@@metatronyt good lord
it would have been funnier if you had the greek say PAS MEE ELLEEN BARBAROS in the beginning! Consider making a linguistics video again!
"Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?"
Are you doing your part?
Megatron drinking game: if he's wearing his galea, take a shot every time he has to fix the strap under his chin.
Take a shot every time he brings his gladius into the shot.
Take a shot at every jump-cut... r.i.p.
I've read reviews to this show by Italians and it's funny the fact that the defeat of Teutoburg forest is still an open wound to us (I'm Italian).
There are mixed opinions about the story and the characters. Most said it was a bland story and characters are too much "telenovelas" style but I haven't watched the show myself so I can't say.
Then there are the funny comments. Many complained about the fact that the show is too biased because Arminius in Germany is considered a hero whereas the Italians in those comments were not very generous with his historical figure. Some added some comments like "what did you expect, it's a German show, they have to celebrate their own". I mean, 2011 years have passed and people are still upset for that event. Romans would be proud.
Correction. well, between the classical and Roman times, there were the Hellenistic Times and during these, as Hellenic Civilisation was spread from West to Afghanistan, a "barbarian" was anyone who did not partake in Hellenic Civilisation
Yeah, but the difference is Greek eventually became that way where the Romans learned pretty quickly on withholding Citizenship from people due to not being ethnic Latins wasn't going to in a Republic where most people weren't ethnic Latins whereas the Greek pretty much lived in mostly ethnic Greek society and could get away with it.
And as we say in Greece "Una faccia, una razza" for us and our Italian friends! Congrats for the amazing video Raf!
Greeks and romans are brothers practically the same culture, greeks founded western civilization and the romans contributed to it and spread it throughout Europe. The western world would not exist without romans and greeks.
@ Indeed my friend!
I fully agree that the actor playing Arminius appeared too Roman/Italian. The real Arminius was of the Cheruski, obviously a northwest Germanic folk, thus the real man was likely to have been fair in complexion, etc as Tacitus described the "Germani" generally.
I like the fact that he looked phenotypically Roman. As someone who didn’t even know this was based off true events, it really threw me for a loop when I discovered his true lineage.
i remember that slaves can earn their freedom but can never be full citizens.
So if a freed slave joined the army, would he get full citizenship?
The son of a freed slave would have full Roman citizenship, even without military service.
As Magister said, the freed slaves son will be a full citizen but I would also add that slaves usually got freed late in life after good service or after they had made enough money. By the age you would be freed you probably would be too old to join up in the infantry.
No, because it was forbidden to the freed slave to join the army
I also remember when studying Petrionious dinner with Tramalchio, one of the points was that the wealthy guy was doing customs he wasn't allowed to do because he was a freed slave and not the son of a freed slave. Maybe if u have the money u can get away with anything too?
Both your videos on the TV Series have been excellent. I have really enjoyed listening to them, in particular the first where you comment on how realistic the Roman armor is. Finally, steps are being taken to get things right! But your commentary in this video is also informative and a good check on dramatic license in the series.
This guy speaking in the language of the time is one of the reasons for this Brazilian here to watch this channel.
The funny thing is that even to this day, modern Greeks call themselves "Ρωμιός" (singular) - Romios i.e Roman.
Yeah! It's because we are Roman Greeks and because we ( mainly ) continued the eastern hellenized remains of the Roman State. The (Eastern) Roman ( Greek) State.
Greeks continued the grecoroman culture and the Roman State until the 15. Century.
aren't the Turks also calling them Rum(Roman) to this day?
@@m.thorton9305 No. They used this term to describe Greek Or orthodox Christian population.
@@m.thorton9305 Yes. But they also call us Yunan, from Ionians
@@Janibek35 Yes. Byzantines that was ruled by Muslims.
could you do a video on the differences in culture, religion, traditions of the Ancient Celts and Germans?
When I watched that "you were born a barbarian" scene between Varus and Arminius, I couldn't stop thinking (almost hoping actually) that Arminius would make a witty reference to the gauls who less than half a century ago had acquired senatorial positions. A pity he was dumbfounded...
I was watching your other video on Barbarians and was gong to watch the video when a minute or two in a image from presumably the trailer appears with the words “you were born a barbarian (or something)” and I thought “hmmmmm” and promptly watched the trailer and began binging it.
This show is now one of my favourite shows and I’m longing for season 2 to drop.
I want "Italian man in 1st century legionary armor calls you a barbarian for 10 minutes straight" ASMR.
The beginning was solid gold. I cracked up.
damn closing in on 500k, i started watching your content when you had under 100k subs, however i fell out and stopped watching when you where around 250k. Not because of your content, but youtube is always putting me on random adventure paths, so i have been lost in youtube maze for some time. Finally that exact adventure put me here again and i remembered.
Thank you for making me aware of this series. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and with you sharing your knowledge on this topic I'm fascinated by it even more.
Lol the opening alone got you a like for this one.
I think that they wanted Arminius to look Italian for the effect of surprising the audience when he speaks German for the first time and it is revealed that he was born German. If he were tall, hale, and blond, then the surprise would have been lost.
I just finished the show on Netflix and REALLY appreciate your series! It's gives so much more detail and context. On this video: I was thinking about your issue that Arminius wasn't able to ascend any higher as a Roman citizen because of his barbarian origin. Would it be possible that despite poor Arminius LEGALLY having all the rights as a Roman citizen, there were still internal, cultural prejudices that would have prevented him from rising any higher? A glass ceiling, so to speak? That definitely exists in our modern western society. I'm thinking it could have existed then too, and that's what Varus was referring to, when he told his "son" the bad news
I would totally love to see a video about Arminius’ motivations, also scholars are split between the etymology being from something like Ariamanaz, Harjamanaz, and Ermunaz, which all mean in order; Free/noble-man, war-man, and strong/whole
Never been this fast in my entire life
too bad ur 1 minute late
Damn this is becoming quite the mess
@The Chris of Something, you've never been that fast? That's not what your mum says.
LOL.
ever seen the Hermanns Denkmal? suppose his name was Hermann (very common German first name and derivative of Armin) and then latinized to Arminius....not sure about Ari
I love you channel. I'm a fervent student of Roman History, but of course, I pale in comparison because I'm not good at linguistic. I would LOVE for you to do a breakdown video on the Roman naming convention. I think I have a pretty good handle on it, but I'm sure I would learn a lot more from one of your videos.
Great follow up to the other Barbarian video
Armin and Arie are names that are still used in modern day Germany and The Netherlands.
Also the name "Hermann" is in the debate a lot. Even at the actual site of the battle
@@laterreurrouge1917 Yep the monument for Arminius in the Teutoburg Forest ist called Hermansdenkmal (Herman monument) He is also called Herman the german. Funny thing is Hermann should be Hermannus not Arminius. ;-) But also keep in mind that the monument is more a nationalistic thing build in 1838.. So almost 1800 years later.. ;-) Arminius should be Armin from old german means heroic.
@@000jimbojones000 nothing but quality content 👏💪
Now im curious about a casual roman conversation in latin
It is still done today by many communities of Classicists all over the world, mainly Europe and America.
For a great example of current (vulgar) Latin used in everyday conversation, read 'Commentarii De Bello Gallico' by Iulius Caesar. The book was dictated by Caesar, and thus it uses the Latin he spoke. And he was heavily criticized at the time for this, as many felt that books should only be written in the more formal, classical, Latin that is usually used as 'Classical' Latin, even if by the 1st century AD it had dropped out of everyday use.
I could try that not that i understand latin but doesnt mean i cant try
@@acefreak9561 The classical Latin that most Classisists speak today was actually old, fairly complicated and not used in everyday conversations by the 1st century AD. Romans of that time used the 'Sermo Vulgaris', or 'Common Speech'. It's from where modern Italian evolved, and if you can speak modern Italian, you will see many similarities (for example, in old Classic Latin, a Horse is 'Equus', but in Sermo Vulgaris a Horse is 'Caballus').
@@KnightofAges what about español tho ive seen many similarities in latin like you said equus to caballus for us its caballo
A video on Roman names would be great.
I remember the scene from HBO's Rome what Caeser goes before the Auguries he called himself, "Gaius of the Julii, called Caesar."
So, does that mean, "my names's Gaius, I'm from the Julii Clan, folks call me Caesar."
Is that how it works?
Also, I remember a lot of people say that Maximus' name in Gladiator should have been "Decimus Meridius Maximus" when he's speaking to Commodus.
Honestly, a video about roman naming systematic would be awesome.
But Pyrrhus said:
These don't look like barbarians to me!
Being a Barbarian ONLY ment this : You are not Hellenized. Nothing less, nothing more.
You are living a fatricide of denial. To he helenneized was to have an absorption of greek culture, relgion, language , and mindset... yet there are still many cases that people who were in fact helenized were still considered "barbaroi". The greeks were a marvel, but in a modern cultural standpoint, they were actually very ignorant of other peoples... simply because their mindset was one of cultural and religious greatness, especially in athenian statesmen. As horrible is it may sound my freind, if you travelled back in time, and you went there, you would be dubbed barbaroi.... they even considered the great romanum imperium as such in times.
@@Oxide-Actual Yup... thanks for the clarification. (Already knew that). I just don't think that most people read wall of text. I'm a Role-Player and I'm SO tired of stuff like Barbarians are brute swinging a 2 handed-axe ;)
Even if you were hellenized you would still be a barbaros if you were not born of a Greek father.
@@Oxide-Actual considering our modern disease would come with us, they'd consider us a punishment sent by the gods and should be killed, or pleased, so if you ask to no longer be a barbarian, they might be inclined to appease you.
Barbarian
All the video ideas you mention in your video sound awesome. Can’t wait to see them, thank you.
Great video! I love your content, especially the Roman stuff.
A few corrections of pronunciation: "gibberish" is pronounced with a soft g, the "b" in "subtle" is silent and the "gen" in "genocide" is pronounced the same way as in "general".
Peace
I like how you mention Cleopatra when talking about Egyptian race.... She's Greek XD
He didn't say she was Egyptian. He said that a lot of generals aprecciated her because of her intelligence and her languahe skills. She was Greek ethnically, but in the end she was a Egyptian pharaoh. It didn't matter her skin or "nationality", but her intelligence.
She was the "most egypt" ptolemaian though. She was one of the very few who even made an effort to learn local languages and customs, she was THE symbol of aegypten power in her time after the Caesar kicking out her brother affair. Also ethics like that didnt matter as much as today back then. Also she wasnt greek....there was no greece back then after all. She was ethnically speaking hellenistic and from one of the hundreds of small poleis in an area spanning hafl the eastern mediterrainean.
Calling Cleopatra Greek is the same as calling Edward III french because of William the Conqueror's birthplace. The ethnic background of the Ptolemy's is important, but they had been the rulers of egypt for 300 years by her time.
@@sclair2854 Greece as a country didn't exist back then, so it isn't really about her birth place, but the fact that her first language was Greek, and she was a part of the ruling elite that had the hellenistic culture.
That said, it's also true that even the "ethnically Egyptian" pharaos had been a part of a mediterranean cultural circle for hundreds of years, where they exchanged culture and wives with other empires such as the Greeks and Mesopotamians. The question of race at that time is very complicated.
@@valkeakirahvi Complicated, yes perhaps. But I think we can be reasonably accurate in saying she was from Greek lineage.
One small thing I noticed is that you said Arminius' actor doesn't look very German, or not German enough to make for enough "contrast". I understand the point, yet I see the actor as still very much historically accurate. There are in fact huge amounts of Germans who have darker, even black hair, just as there are blond northern Italians. Even with the Cherusci in easternmost Westphalia, which is intuitively "somewhat up north" in Germany, it would be a bit of a coin toss. This area in Germany (and a bit south of that) is particularly interesting because it's where Franks and Saxons always met later on and had their back-and-forth over the centuries. The Frankish and Saxon heritages are still visible in Germany to an extent. In Roman times, almost only later-to-become Frankish peoples were actually conquered and part of the empire, particularly on the left-hand side of the Rhine river.
That's how in westernmost and southwestern Germany, you even today get a lot more dark haired people who might look vaguely French or even Italian, whereas in northernmost Germany most people really are blonder. In the central area of eastern Westphalia, northern Hesse and southernmost Lower Saxony (i.e. Cherusci), people tend to be quite mixed indeed.
I agree, but it's a tv series, and you have to have some visual contrast.
The north italians aren't blond because of the long beards?
@@arx3516 Yeah I do see the point. Just wanted to point out it's not plain factually *wrong* / ahistorical at all. This channel is mostly about historical accuracy, after all
Very nice, loved the explanation.
yeeeesssss! I somehow felt the scorpio Martians dialogue. That channel is the best Latin thing in the universe
This was a really good show, nothing will be 100 percent accurate but it’s flaws couldn’t overshadow the good.
It means that they need to be purged by the chads of the great empire. So says Dovahhatty.
Dovahhatty dude... Tier A entertainment
Glad this dude is becoming bigger
Lex Arcana is a really fun game and learning latin naming schemes was wild as my Latin was limited to a bit of science naming and Ars Magica. Salwe sodalis!
I like how he explain the word barbarian at the start. Really cool.
I’m curious what you think about the equites translated to “knights” for the English captions? Probably another video coming about that comparison ;). Personally, I think I see where they are going as there are parallels with medieval knights for sure, and I don’t think it’s terrible, but perhaps they should have just left it as equites.
Well, medieval knights called themselves "equites" in Latin, so in a way that is a perfectly serviceable translation.
It has to do with the German word for equites. In Germany the word for knight is "Ritter" which literally means rider. That's the reason you can translate equites as Ritter in German because they basically mean the same. It only gets weird if you translate the German Ritter as knight into English.
Translating equestrians as knights has been standard for a long time. It's just understood that the Roman equestrian class were quite different from medieval knights, but still associated with mounted warfare due to their origins.
Great comments guys, beyond the cavalry roots of the equestrians, there’s a bunch of them that have little to do with the military as administrators and businessmen (senatorial rank couldn’t run businesses directly, so equestrians were the highest that could). I mean, sure, we also have knight as an honorific outside the military later as well, but this is an entire class in Roman society. Although I completely agree about the origins of the term and the complexity in the translation.
In modern German „Ritter“ means „knight“ and „Reiter“ means rider. I suppose, yet I do not know if those two words have the same roots. When I had Latin in school we translated equites into Reiter / riders however, not into Ritter / knights. It was also possible to use the same word „Equites“, or if in plural to translate it into cavalry. I can’t remember if our teacher insisted on this translation or if it was recommended by Stowasser, the common Latin - German dictionary, but I will check it out...
if professor metatron went back in time, he'd be able to get around a lot better than people like us
0:34. I feel like this is a metaphor for the historical inaccuracies in "historical" fiction in modern media!
correction #2. Cleopatra was Greek from teh ruling Ptolemy (Hellenistic) Dynasty, following Alexander's conquest. hence, she not only was a Queen of Egypt but also of teh highest Hellenic stock
Just watched the series, it’s cool but some points are kinda weird such as Arminius who had blond hair if I’m not mistaken xD but I enjoyed the series anyways although some stuff was weird.
It is his brother who is blond
@@AwersomeCan No he was blond.
Anche in Belgio il terzo nome proprio lo sceglie il Re, ogni anno ne sceglie 1 maschile e uno femminile da dare ai nuovi nati.Non so se è ancora così, fino alla fine degli anni sessanta 70 lo faceva ora non so se è cambiato.Penso che facevano così per tracciare meglio la gente... Sono in pochi ed i cognomi sono molto simili.
Outstanding video as always.
I fully agree about Arminius looking more German. The thing is, the actor also had to speak latin well enough to make it plausible that he was speaking it every day for years. So to avoid him having a too heavy accent, they had to cast someone fluent in italian. He also needed to sound like a native German, so he needed to be fluent and accent free in both languages. This very likely shrunk the casting pool considerably. My guess is, there just wasn't an actor available that met the linguistical requirements and also looked more German. What they did manage was find an actor with blue eyes.
I was once talking with a guy on the internet about the name, and after I said that the Roman name of his younger Brother, Flavius, means blond one, and he then responded with the name Arminius likely referring to him having blue eyes.
I also read that Arminius original Germanic name could mirror that of his father Sigimer, assuming he was the first born son, and thus be Sigfried, or Sigurd, or Sigmund. Thus giving the legendary hero and dragon slayer from German Folklore, popularized in Richard Wagners opera, his origins. Arminius story does have some parallels to that of Sigfried, and the Roman turtle formation with the shields was compared to the inpenetrable hide of a dragon.
However, I also read that most modern historians see this as bullshit speculation based on nothing but superficial similarities and people wanting this to be true. And while I acknoledge the lack of proof, I also haven't seen anything clearly debunk it. Not that I say it doesn't exist, I'm just not aware of it.
These romans are crazy
I think that gaulish village is probably still there...
Everybody is a barbarian to someone.
Thus Spoke Narxes The Barbarian
hail mighty metatron! could you please possibly do an episode concerning the battle of the teutoburg forrest itself? this battle is considered as one of the most imprortant and influential in the human history. however there are several doubts. the campaign of tiberius reached a stalemate and after teutoburg germanicus swiftly managed to reconquer all lost territories and to beat arminius decisively. the following withdrawal of emperor tiberius behind the rhine river is considered as strategic, because of the uneconomic importance of the germanic areas which were very costly to maintain. germanicus managed to pacify the german tribes at such level that a long period of peace followed and germans were no real threat until the marcomani wars. and last but not least - the romans suffered much higher casaulties in the war against the teutonic and cimbri tribes - approx. 110.000 soldiers killed (80.000 at arausio) compared to "only" 20.000 in the teutoburg forrest. i would be very eager to hear your erudite opinion. thank you. :)
Naturally Metatron leaves out that enfranchisement was fought for many times by non romans, often in quite bloody wars. Even the upheavals of Caesar time was partly about that.
I thought Barbarians were called such because they had beards. Now I know better.
I like pubic hair
Re thinking what I have just done I do not think my comment is very civilised
@Mister Albanian someone mad cause cant grow beard? : D
I thought "bar bar" is supposedly referring to the bleating of sheep, i.e. people who talk like sheep, i.e. barbarians.
There were the Longobards named after their long beards
I hope we get a sequel with Germanicus avenging Varus' legions
@Grey-Wolf 93 even better. Arminius' tribe, the Cheruscii, was one of the tribes that formed the Franks. Who were in the long run the most succesful Germanic tribe
I will forever be thankful to Miss Moore, my teacher for Latin and Roman Life, and later Latin O-Level, for teaching me to understand that opening Latin.
This is incredible knowledge, thank you so much!
Germans were no homogenous ethnic group, so you can't say Armenius should have looked more German. Keep in mind that the ancestors of today's Spaniards were Visigoths, i.e. Germans, and look totally different from Swedes who have also German ancestors. "German" is an artificial classification invented by the Romans, not an ethnic group. Armenius belonged to the Cherusci. Today we don't know how Cherusci looked like, whether they had blond or black hair, because they went extinct, shortly after their defeat by Germanicus.
The ancestors of current Spaniards are not the Visigoths, who never made up more than 5% of the population of Hispania. They and the Suevii were located in very small and specific areas of the Peninsula [the Visigoths around Toledo, the Suevii around Aveiro in Portugal], areas which to this day have more blue-eyed blondes than the rest of Iberia. Most accepted Catholicism, got baptized with local names, and were absorbed into the much larger mass of the Roman-Iberians of the days of the Roman Empire, who ARE the forefathers of current Spaniards (which is why most have dark hair and have dark eyes), exception being the Basques [who have a hard time accepting Spanish rule or for that matter the Visigothic one either].
True the Germanic tribes lived in a vast territory back then, stretching from the Rhine, North Sea, Baltic Sea and all the way East to the Pontic Steppes. They embraced Celtic, Dacian, Slavic and Scythian/Sarmatian influences.
Come disse Alberto Angela:"Un impero multietnico, ma non multiculturale".
Excellent video. Please do the one about the possible reason why Arminius betrayed the Romans! Can't wait for that one. So cool!
Just a note on two things --
Egyptians, being the Coptic natives who made up the majority of the population of Egypt at the time, were generally considered barbarians of the same caliber as the Syrians etc. who lived in other Eastern Provinces. Cleopatra VII Philopater, being of the Lagid Dynasty, was Greek, and therefore inherently not a barbarian according to the standards of the time.
Also, Caesar himself, after his genocide of the Gauls, appointed certain Gallic nobles to the Roman Senate. The transition from genocide to appointment was not so much a change of heart as it was a political convenience. The move, when made by either Caesar or later Claudius, was a good way of maintaining political control over Gaul, in part by affording the Gauls themselves some limited representation.
Didn't Tacitus describe most Germans as red haired? I remember that Arminus' brother (who stayed with the Romans) was mentioned as some one with lighter hair.
Colour words in Latin and Greek are tricky. Like _rubio_ in modern Spain, it might not translate exactly.
Also what an Italian might consider light hair could be dark hair in Scandinavia.
They also said Slavs have red hair, which seems unlikely.
I'm half German, half Dutch and I have dark hair, dark eyes and I'm only 1.75m. So maybe Arminius was like that aswell ;)
Eww Dutch!
Friend, I think then as today there is no typical Italian or a typical German or Dutch, I mean it's not that all Germans, Dutch are blond, of course there is a higher percentage than in southern Europe.
Just as not all Italians or people in southern Europe have all brown or black hair, there is a middle ground for you and there is a middle ground for us too.
In Italy, Spain, Greece, Romania etc ... you can normally find a certain percentage of people with blond or red hair.
As in Germany, the Netherlands can easily find a certain percentage of people with brown or black hair.
As for your height, you have an average height in today's world population.
Seen several videos of yours and just realized I wasn't subbed. Well, just fixed that. Keep up the great content!
10:05. In Germany, Arminius got the name Hermann centuries later, maybe by Martin Luther, but we still don't know what Germanic name Arminius had berore he became a Roman citizen. And the possibilities of it being Hermann has been thought of as too unbelievable.
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Arminius betrayed Rome, because a Barbarian is always a Barbarian.
@I don’t exist For tax and insurance purposes it's a joke dude.
He smelled the scent of progress and civilization, which triggered his Germanic coding to kill and destroy what is ordered and good.
@@kingkefa7130 these germs couldn't comprehend civilization.
Loved the video as always. One small note, the pronunciation of gibberish uses a soft 'ji' sound for the g (in British English at least).
Hey! Thank you very much! I've loved this video.