As I sit here waiting for 10th edition 40k to drop I was trying to figure out which of my games to break out and play with the group. This video reminded me about why this is one of the few board games I held onto. We will be playing it today, cant wait!
I never had one favorite boardgame before, I love a few, I like a lot of them but I recently found out about Kemet (The original). I think its my favorite game. Where has it been all my life? I love everything about it. Somebody described it best on reddit : It's a knife fight in a phone booth. I love the agressive nature of it, the absence of dice, the combat cards management, the tiles, the monsters. Wow. I'm in love.
Great review, I was eager to find a copy of this game but had no luck, but then the Kickstarter appeared and I went for it, so now I have years wait ahead of me til I can get to play it.
Love this game . I have no expansions because it seemed to complicate it but I did back Blood and Sand . I cant wait its my first kickstarter. Love the channel !
Ta Seti doesn’t really complicate the game unless you use the side board. The black tiles are a must have IMO, but if you’ve back the refresh then it’s no big deal.
BoardGames4K I will keep 1st edition and see if the new version offers any ideas that can be implemented with old components. I have invested time in painting the pieces, even the little guys and have expansions and crossover.
It caters for 2 player. I’ve only played it a handful of times with 2 and it’s fine if quite a bit different. You can see a 2 player game in action from Rodney Smith.
I’d start with a more basic area control game if you’re playing with people who aren’t familiar with modern games. Depends on their level of experience. Maybe Eight Minute Empire for total noobs or El Grande if they’ve played a few other simple games.
@@BoardGameBollocks thanks for your reply! My question was not clear, sorry what I meant is, if someone has not played this game on a regular basis goes against someone that has, and therefore doesn't know all the powers and technologies to invest in, do they basically have no chance?
Now i'm stuck in a rabbit hole trying to figure out if i should buy Cyclades, Kemet, Kemet: Blood&Sand, Inis, or apparently Blood Rage, Rising Sun and Lords of Hellas.
My 2 cents is Cyclades and Kemet and also Blood Rage and Rising Sun after that. They’re all different enough but from the same family if that makes sense. All the others are just cousins you probably wouldn’t care to see too often.
While I appreciate people love kemet, it just never clicked for me. I put it down to having played the majestic blood rage first and I just thought it was a much better game, better components, great mechanics and just loads of fun. Just my opinion though, YMMV. If you are in the market for a matagot game though, I would much prefer the (amazing) inis or the equally great cyclades.
@@invisiblesupermonkey Yeah, the games that get played first of a similar type tend to be the ones we like the most. I've heard other channels favor Inis above the others as well. I'll probably load up all the games on tabletop simulator, play through them and figure it out from there. Thanks for the input.
I enjoyed Cyclades until I realized there's a major runaway player problem if the richest player can keep buying out all the monster cards. There might be a way to address this outside of just ganging up on the leader (you need to catch this early on), but I didn't think it was worth the effort. Blood Rage is ok, so long as everyone knows about the Loki strategy (you win if you lose). But the game got too simple for me after a while. Inis is good, but I'm unsure of how much replay value it actually has. It could get monotonous after a while. Rising Sun, that's a tricky one. I enjoy it, but it's difficult to figure out how to play it well. I'm not sure if there's a broken strategy or not, simply because it's difficult to grasp any strategy in that game. Not to say there isn't any, just that it's difficult to play well for the first few games. But it is fun. Lords of Hellas has become one of my favorite games. A game where you can win without VP scoring, with 4 paths to victory (it's really only 3 paths; the 4th path is more of a glorified way to end a stalemate). You might need to tweak it with a house rule or two for optimal effect. Be wary of those expansions though. While they do offer an insane amount of variance for ways to play the game, not all of them are what I would call balanced (again, house rules). The only expansions you'll need are the 5-6 player expansions and board (if you plan to play with more than 4 players), the extra characters/monsters/artifacts, orichalum (gives heroes more to do), and the one that makes the army color you choose matter by giving each color army a unique ability. And that expansion that gives you city and temple models (those help with gameplay tremendously). All the other expansions you could take or leave. I only played Kemet once a long time ago, and remember enjoying it to a degree. But I never gave it a fair chance, and definitely want to try it again. Can't comment on Blood & Sand. Personally, I'd go for Rising Sun and Lords of Hellas. Kemet would be a solid 3rd choice. That being said, Kemet is probably the best stand-alone game where you don't really need any expansions for it (though Tau-Seti isn't bad).
By the way. That's a great game and you did a fantastic review about this game. This game is a real challenge to understand and do a review on. It takes wits and a lot of patience to know these games. You're The Real McCoy. You're right on the level. Have a good one my friend!
Cheers mate. It takes hours and hours to get this stuff done for no reward other than these comments (I’d never do this for financial gain anyway). Have to edit in my break at work sometimes so it can be a real slog at times. I’m glad you appreciate it...👍🏻
The Blood and Sand rulebook is an unmitigated sh*tshow. We spent four hours trying to decypher it and packed up the game. It's exhausting, convoluted and half-baked. The game itself looks gorgeous, but the f*ing rulebook ruins it. It's nigh unplayable because of it. Matagot can go ahead and piss broken glass.
Not sure if I'm about to get mugged or learn about board games. A curious but not unpleasant feeling.
Fun Fact: I was actually educated at Winchester College.
I really love the way this guy talks.
As always thanks for the entertaining review. Like your perspective, always nice to hear an English accent when living away.
As I sit here waiting for 10th edition 40k to drop I was trying to figure out which of my games to break out and play with the group. This video reminded me about why this is one of the few board games I held onto. We will be playing it today, cant wait!
I never had one favorite boardgame before, I love a few, I like a lot of them but I recently found out about Kemet (The original). I think its my favorite game. Where has it been all my life? I love everything about it. Somebody described it best on reddit : It's a knife fight in a phone booth. I love the agressive nature of it, the absence of dice, the combat cards management, the tiles, the monsters. Wow. I'm in love.
Great review, I was eager to find a copy of this game but had no luck, but then the Kickstarter appeared and I went for it, so now I have years wait ahead of me til I can get to play it.
You can prob find the 1st Ed cheap soon in stock clearance sales ready for the new one. Might be worth it as a stop gap.
Love this game . I have no expansions because it seemed to complicate it but I did back Blood and Sand . I cant wait its my first kickstarter. Love the channel !
Ta Seti doesn’t really complicate the game unless you use the side board. The black tiles are a must have IMO, but if you’ve back the refresh then it’s no big deal.
@@BoardGameBollocks interesting , my view on it was from SUSD reveiw which wasn't exactly positive on the expansions. Hahaha oh well.
The extra power tiles make the expansion worthwhile.
Glowing endorsement. Makes me want to look for it.
Nice review mate
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Yes. Kemet is a great game and unlikely to leave my collection.
Nuvva good video.
Are you getting blood and sand or keeping the 1sr Ed
BoardGames4K I will keep 1st edition and see if the new version offers any ideas that can be implemented with old components.
I have invested time in painting the pieces, even the little guys and have expansions and crossover.
Ive been eyeing it for a long time, like I did with Cyclades. Do you like using the crossover?
Always. Although I’m a bit miffed I cant source a Cerberus mini for it.
i gotta play it
One of the best mate.
Game looks awesome only thing that looks a bit of for me is that the playerboard feels a bit of
I guess it was made in the days before Terraforming Mars and Eclipse shocked people into getting trays...
how does it play at lower counts?
It caters for 2 player. I’ve only played it a handful of times with 2 and it’s fine if quite a bit different. You can see a 2 player game in action from Rodney Smith.
Would you say it's easy to teach to new people that are not regulars, or would a player who knows the game well dominate each time?
I’d start with a more basic area control game if you’re playing with people who aren’t familiar with modern games.
Depends on their level of experience. Maybe Eight Minute Empire for total noobs or El Grande if they’ve played a few other simple games.
@@BoardGameBollocks thanks for your reply! My question was not clear, sorry what I meant is, if someone has not played this game on a regular basis goes against someone that has, and therefore doesn't know all the powers and technologies to invest in, do they basically have no chance?
They’ll be at an advantage for sure but I still think new players always have a chance.
@@BoardGameBollocks cheers, considering getting the new blood and sand edition
You may find the original cheap now the new one is out.
Now i'm stuck in a rabbit hole trying to figure out if i should buy Cyclades, Kemet, Kemet: Blood&Sand, Inis, or apparently Blood Rage, Rising Sun and Lords of Hellas.
My 2 cents is Cyclades and Kemet and also Blood Rage and Rising Sun after that. They’re all different enough but from the same family if that makes sense.
All the others are just cousins you probably wouldn’t care to see too often.
@@BoardGameBollocks I'll keep my eye on the retail version of Blood&Sand and see if the original goes on sale. Thanks for the input!
While I appreciate people love kemet, it just never clicked for me. I put it down to having played the majestic blood rage first and I just thought it was a much better game, better components, great mechanics and just loads of fun. Just my opinion though, YMMV.
If you are in the market for a matagot game though, I would much prefer the (amazing) inis or the equally great cyclades.
@@invisiblesupermonkey Yeah, the games that get played first of a similar type tend to be the ones we like the most. I've heard other channels favor Inis above the others as well. I'll probably load up all the games on tabletop simulator, play through them and figure it out from there. Thanks for the input.
I enjoyed Cyclades until I realized there's a major runaway player problem if the richest player can keep buying out all the monster cards. There might be a way to address this outside of just ganging up on the leader (you need to catch this early on), but I didn't think it was worth the effort.
Blood Rage is ok, so long as everyone knows about the Loki strategy (you win if you lose). But the game got too simple for me after a while.
Inis is good, but I'm unsure of how much replay value it actually has. It could get monotonous after a while.
Rising Sun, that's a tricky one. I enjoy it, but it's difficult to figure out how to play it well. I'm not sure if there's a broken strategy or not, simply because it's difficult to grasp any strategy in that game. Not to say there isn't any, just that it's difficult to play well for the first few games. But it is fun.
Lords of Hellas has become one of my favorite games. A game where you can win without VP scoring, with 4 paths to victory (it's really only 3 paths; the 4th path is more of a glorified way to end a stalemate). You might need to tweak it with a house rule or two for optimal effect. Be wary of those expansions though. While they do offer an insane amount of variance for ways to play the game, not all of them are what I would call balanced (again, house rules). The only expansions you'll need are the 5-6 player expansions and board (if you plan to play with more than 4 players), the extra characters/monsters/artifacts, orichalum (gives heroes more to do), and the one that makes the army color you choose matter by giving each color army a unique ability. And that expansion that gives you city and temple models (those help with gameplay tremendously). All the other expansions you could take or leave.
I only played Kemet once a long time ago, and remember enjoying it to a degree. But I never gave it a fair chance, and definitely want to try it again.
Can't comment on Blood & Sand.
Personally, I'd go for Rising Sun and Lords of Hellas. Kemet would be a solid 3rd choice. That being said, Kemet is probably the best stand-alone game where you don't really need any expansions for it (though Tau-Seti isn't bad).
Oi! House Rules! Ya getta pint a Guinness when ya win a battle then! AK! 💪😄👍🍺Cheers mate! Hahahahahaaaaa!
Even if I drank I probably wouldn’t drink guiness...it’s the only alcoholic beverage that’s actually classed as a food. Give me a Stella any day.
@@BoardGameBollocks Hahahahahaaaaa! Ya it's like broccoli! It'll put hair on your chest! Howabouta cider? 🍺👍
Hahahahahaaaaa 😄 It's nice to joke around with. You're alright mate! 😄👍❤️
By the way. That's a great game and you did a fantastic review about this game. This game is a real challenge to understand and do a review on. It takes wits and a lot of patience to know these games. You're The Real McCoy. You're right on the level. Have a good one my friend!
Cheers mate. It takes hours and hours to get this stuff done for no reward other than these comments (I’d never do this for financial gain anyway). Have to edit in my break at work sometimes so it can be a real slog at times. I’m glad you appreciate it...👍🏻
The Blood and Sand rulebook is an unmitigated sh*tshow. We spent four hours trying to decypher it and packed up the game. It's exhausting, convoluted and half-baked. The game itself looks gorgeous, but the f*ing rulebook ruins it. It's nigh unplayable because of it. Matagot can go ahead and piss broken glass.