Report Card: Summit
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
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Love these ball report cards and reviews! Great stuff as always!
It's good to mention the true intention of this outer core thingy: Consistent numbers between 14 and 15 pound versions even with the ball being Low RG
I think that's just a happy accident, I haven't seen them say anything anywhere about that being a part of it. I HAVE heard them talk about or have seen them say it makes the core stronger and is supposed to carry the off hits better.
@@LukeRosdahlIt could be a happy accident but they definitely advertised that for this ball.
Maybe they couldn't replicate it and that's why we haven't seen it on other new releases yet? 🤷♂️
Huh. I definitely didn't hear about that and it's not on the website or in any marketing materials.
The Summit just came out a couple months ago and I doubt it's something they're going to just jam into everything so I'm sure we'll see more of it soon
@@LukeRosdahlit was advertised that the summit core numbers match from 16-14, but not BECAUSE of the AI outer core. They don’t seem related in the marketing material.
That's what caught me. I know it was mentioned and I pointed it out in the original review but I couldn't find and never heard anything about it being related to AI, that's what was tripping me up
It does really hit well with the over 60s crowd (me included). I was worried that it would be way too much ball for me but it seems to like closing up the angles. I can move left and spin it up too...but the simple 13-14 board at the posts over the 10 arrow and rolling 7-8 at the left range finder....them BOOM 13.8mph entry at the pins. Crazy.
This ball drives like no other. Where I expect balls to flatten out, this ball just keeps pushing. Causes me to go through the face a lot, but once I adjust it's great! Fantastic on sport shots, not as usable on house. Ball hits hard for me I enjoy it a lot
It's been the same thing on the right side for me. It seems to like some angle, moving in and getting around it, it really responds well.
I love my Summit. I am a senior bowler with medium rev rate. 3rd arrow and 10 board at break point works on my house shot.
I love this ball. It's the first ball out of my bag. I have not touched the surface or anything. I'm a two finger, no thumb bowler with a 210 avg and this ball is amazing. This ball gives me a lot more room to throw. LOVE IT..
I haven’t figured mine out yet. very similar to Angel
I got a Summit from the pro shop on Monday evening, put my JoPo thumb in, threw in warmup, and decided to try it in league. Shot 246, 247. 249 for a 742. I did seem to carry a few hits that normally I would leave some flat tens on. I missed a few shots in that carried, and swung a few shots a little wide, and the Summit easily turned the corner back to the pocket, but without a jump, just a nice continuous arc. Like this ball reaction a lot. Looking forward to League again. Great report card, Luke.
Yeah, again, it sounds dumb, but it's really forgiving and I do feel like you get a few extra hits that you're not counting on. It's easy to get to the pocket and then the carry percentage is extra high, and it's consistently done that for me for months now, even as it's aged.
I've had similar experience from the right side, Luke. This ball rolls heavy and just keeps going. Rare for me, a slightly speed dominant righty, to be lined up inside my rev-dominant teammate who has 100 more revs than me, but depending on what ball he throws, this ball allows it occasionally.
For super old school reference, the two balls this reminds me of are the Scorchin Inferno and the old Lane #1 Uranium Solid. Dirty early roll with no quit.
Love it, and like you, Luke, my average is up significantly with this rock first out of the bag.
I did 50 x 4 1/4 x 35 on this ball and it is so much fun to throw in league. I'm throwing it at like 16mph, very versatile with different lane conditions.
Great teport card Luke! I haven't seen this ball roll down the lane IRL yet, but if it is anything like it's P2 predecessor, I would give this piece an A- .... drinking ALL of the Koolaid on this one.
I thought it was a bit too strong when I just got it and first rolled it in practice in league and I ended up rolling a 300 in the first game ever with it. Since I have a Zen Master, Axiom, and Idol Helios, I was skeptical but it all clicked since. I am amazed at the continuation it is the first ball out for me. It is a unique shape that I get more downlane than the above balls. Now I have to see what I can use off to ball down or ball up if I need to get more in the soup as they say. Good report card. It doesn't disappoint. 🙂
I’m gonna go to a ball demo/matchmaker for the first time on Sunday and the Summit is one of the balls that will be showcased. I am ecstatic to throw the Summit specifically. For the reasons you have mentioned, in addition to what I have heard other staffers like Luis Napoles and more directly Casey Murphy have agreed; they also are noticing a real difference in how this ball hits. Watching your stuff I have kinda been trained to take all the marketing ploys with a grain of salt, but the Summit looks legit. I hope I like it after Sunday. Thanks for the review 👏
My three favorite symmetrical balls are summit, phaze 5, xponent, and my reign. Summit is smooth but can hook. The 5 just is more angular so it's good for a different option. Xponent is a piece I can manipulate into different looks. I haven't really hit with any of the new pearls because of reactagloss. I want pop from them so definitely love my reign.
I love how you described the “heavier than it looks” feeling. I’ve always had a similar feeling with Detonator core balls (Forge line) from Motiv. Even the Iron, which is supposedly a pearl, goes does the lane like there’s some invisible hand shoving it down onto the lane and making it contact harder than other balls. It’s strange to experience, but I get what you mean 100%.
Also, how dare you not put your 296 from KCO in this! 😂
Looool yeah I did meeeention it at least, kind of haha. Yeah the Iron rolls pretty heavy too, some of these cores are really interesting lately in the ball motion they create.
I really like this ball. It feels like I have control, but also enough board coverage to get back to the pocket even though my rev rate is on the lower side.
Yeah it's a wild combination there, I'm surprised at how well it handles angle despite how early and slow it is.
Centripetal cores have been too good for this ball to not be great. Need to get my hands on one.
I bowled my first and currently only (offical) 300 with the Summit, 1 month after having it. Which also included a strike, after hitting the 6pin and completely missing the head pin... Before this id never really been close to a 300. The pin carry is definitely real, to point where me and my teammates call this ball " The magic wand" because pins just fall over with this ball. Definitely my favourite ever ball, massively over looked in my opinion.
Congrats! Yeah my 300 I had with it a couple months ago was my first in a couple years, and I definitely got away with a couple in that game too. I think it's honestly actually a thing.
@@LukeRosdahl Thanks! But it definitely seems to be true. I can see a difference compared to other balls I use and see being thrown. My average also improved after getting this ball lol
Great video though, Ive been waiting for the Summit report card! :D glad you fell in love with it to!!
Very surprised at your results! I figured this would be one that I'd just TOO strong to consistently be used during league play on house shots, but it would appear that I couldn't be more wrong. Great follow-up video!
I thought the same thing. I ended up very pleasantly surprised. Now I have had to adjust how I throw it a little but that's been a blessing in disguise, it really made a lot of things click for me mechanically.
I already own 2 of them.
I tried this ball at a recent Matchmaker at my home lanes and found it to my liking. It wasn't one I was looking forward to trying. I was more curious about the Clone and the Tour Dynam-X. I haven't bought anything yet this year, the Magic Gem also has me curious. I'm not really in NEED of anything right now.
This one and the TDX are the most different type of looks. We've seen balls like the Clone before and the Magic is right on top of the original and Exotic. Of the entire catalog from us right now, the Summit and the TDX are the two that stand out the most to me.
I think i may have only seen 1 of these around here so far.
I first used my summit on Cheetah not because I should’ve but because I wanted to use my new ball. SOMEHOW the summit was amazing for the pattern. For being a “slow” ball my lord does it handle angle well. I’ve got mine pin down so that may help. 10/10
Big balls do look good on short patterns if played right. Good on you
Ball motion slightly reminds me of a stronger wild streak. Might have to pick one up.
The general feel is somewhat similar, mostly due to the lack of revving, this one is obviously just crazy different in terms of core. Fun fact here too, the Wild Streak cover was the P2 cover, so this is just an updated version of the Wild Streak cover.
@@LukeRosdahl when they were super tight down lane and you needed something to be controlled and hit the pocket, that was the ball for me 9/10 times. I’ll pick one up!
Great video. will consider adding this to my arsenal next year. Quick question, Would you ever get a two handed perspective to throw the balls for reviews?
Yeah, just has to make sense logistically. James kind of has a 2 hander ball roll so that's been working for most of the stuff he's in so far.
I'm a two finger, no thumb bowler similar to a two hand. I love this ball. It's the first ball out of my bag.
What 5 balls excluding urethane and plastic would be good for a two harder on sport conditions. 16.5 mph 400 revs. Thanks!
There are literally hundreds of different sport conditions, so it's a really impossible question to answer unfortunately.
Great content always
Do they use the outer core on anything else or have you heard if they plan to?
The Summit is the 1st ball to use this AI ( amplified inertia) outer core. None of the new SPI releases to date have used this technology
Yeah I'm sure they'll keep using it but it just came out a couple months ago, they haven't really had the time to do anything else with it
I'm struggling with my Summit. I get the over under. I throw around 13 mph and it feels like if I miss by a half a board, I'm getting tapped. I'm going to try redrilling it to a pin down and try more forward roll and don't get too flippy. I think I need something with a weaker cover as the Summit really grabs for a lower speed player like myself.
It's definitely a strong ball if you're rev dominant / lower speed. I'm transitioning to 2h and experience the same with my Summit. Mine is pin up as well
Might try the same thing I did, give it a little more room and let it eat. Pin down would probably be a good idea on the right side, I'd have definitely drilled it pin down if I was still a righty
Thanks for the reply. The guy drilled it 45 X 4" X 40. I was thinking to re-drill it 45 X 5 X 70. Any suggestions on layout?
@@majormeteor Oh oof, waaaaay too strong of a pin to pap for that core. Those redrill numbers sound great.
Hey Luke- I'm a senior lefty with 13mph ball speed. Do best with a down and in shot and want something controllable that will kick out the 7 pin most throws.
Would the Summit be a good choice for me?
Should add that I'm a house shot league bowler.
Summit is definitely earlier and slower, I really like the carry it gives me.
Dynamicore works, A.I works too, I do feel the hits and the off hits look or “feel” better.
How do I re-create your surfacing? With step two being gone what would you say be the best thing to re-create it. I know you said you did a light step two?
Yeah, just use Brunswick's Crown Compound or Storm's new Rough Edge instead
I have soft speed and I am left handed as well- I say this to say that I saw your videos on the Summit and the Xponent and I am trying to decide between the two which I am am going to purchase. In your opinion which one is a better buy? I am trying to build my arsenal - I have a 6 ball league bag and 2 balls that I use for when I go to a tournament or house with a tougher condition. My league balls are: Black Widow, E Gem, ZGL, Cosmos, Dark Moss and Rhino) My other balls are the IQ Tour and Reality which I use for the tougher conditions. Any advice would be appreciated.
The Summit is quite a bit stronger than the XPonent, so it really depends on what you'll get the most use out of. Which of your league balls do you find that you throw the most? That'd help me narrow it down.
@@LukeRosdahl when we have a little oil the exotic gem, when it is dryer the dark moss r cosmos
The Summit would be more different from anything else you have, but the XPonent is a really great benchmark ball . . I'd almost start with the XP because I think you'd use it the most, plus it's not too expensive.
Wow 10!! I am that (almost) 60 year old that throws it up 10, but I still throw it 16-17 mph, and my revs are medium (3-350). Do you think this is a ball that might work for me? I have not seen a ton around league...
Yeah I think it'd work great, it's a really nicely balanced ball
Great video. Love the explanation. Do u think if i polished this up like 1500 grit polish would it be similar to the Sublime? Thanks
No not at all, this one would still be a fair bit earlier and smoother due to the coverstock differences. Sublime will still be the longer, sharper, and slightly weaker one.
Thinking of getting a summit to ball up from my pin down polished cosmos. Do you think this will fill that spot and if so would you drill the summit pin down also love the cosmos and thinking going forward with that layout more. Also have you kept you summit shiny since you have been throwing it again or did you change it
Yes definitely, I would probably drill them the same, but keep surface on the Summit and keep the Cosmos shiny. The Summit seems to like surface, it gets a little flat with shine, so I always hit it with a 3k pad before I bowl.
What in your opinion would be a good replacement for the P5???
The TNT Infused is a little stronger, but it's the closest thing we have in the line right now.
Hey Luke! After seeing some of your new videos on most recent releases, I really do like the summit but…. I am looking for a mid piece to pair with a Pearl Asym at the top of the bag. On the lower end I am using a polished Hustle USA, would the summit fit along with an Exotic or should it be more along the lines of a Duo/ XPonent and an Exotic?
If you're trying to put something between a USA and an Exotic, the Summit would fit, but it wouldn't give you a ton of shape diversity, they're all 3 the same shape. Would probably go for something like a good ol original Zen that fits that window, but also gives you a different look in the shape department. Might take a look at the new Sublime coming from Global here in a couple weeks too, that'd fit right in there as well.
Can’t wait to see the comparison of the sublime to the summit. Also wondering if we’ll start seeing the proliferation of dynamicore, I mean AI
They don't send us Global balls, so I won't actually be doing a review for that one, there will be plenty of those comparisons on other channels though.
Loool . . AI and dynamicore are a little different though. Dynamicore is specifically for hitting power, AI is altering the shape of the outer core a little to make core numbers stronger overall. Either way, usbc has rules and regulations on how hard a ball can hit, and there is such a thing as a ball hitting TOO hard which keeps it from being effective.
Yup, as coefficient of restitution goes up so does ball deflection. Can’t cheat physics.
@@2handlife200 Yeah that's also true, good point
You ever try to change the surface for Angel? Maybe actually 3000 or 4000?
How does James like it?
Yeah we put it at 1000-3000 to begin with, let it shine up, etc., and it was fine, it just wasn't going to beat anything out that she has ahead of it no matter what we did
Since the roll/motion seems to be different than most of the other offerings, do you recommend a different layout than your typical favorite? I have yet to drill mine.
Yeah I went with a 5 inch pin on this one because the core is so chonky. Usually I go 4.5 on cores under 2.52 rg and 4 over that but I thought even 4.5 would be too strong and it worked out really well
@@LukeRosdahl Good to know. 4.5" is my go-to pin length for solids. Maybe I will go with 5" and a shorter buffer to get it going a little quicker. Thanks.
I have a hustle USA as my only ball. This a good one to go to? The hustle doesn’t seem strong enough until third game in league.
I’m left hand one hand lower revs and higher speed.
I agree... I picked up a Hustle M-M and it is a Gane 3 ball, sometimes. If you are looking for a Game 1 ball, the Summit will definitely be a stronger option, then maybe an Xponent or Gold Label for after that before getting into the Hustle. I am a lefty as well, middle of the middle with speed and revs. Hope this helps... tobadd another note, my Pitch Black has bailed me out on more one occasion. And being a lefty, folks won't complain about you using urethane.
Yep I think so, summit would be a great ball to start with before going into the USA later
Hustles are brilliant 3rd game balls but yeah, you want something stronger for the fresh typically. Summit, Phaze II or on the Brunswick side Knock Outs are amazing on fresh as is the Stealth solid and surprisingly, the Stealth pearl as well.
@@LukeRosdahl Thank you sir. I think I’ll go for a summit then. Appreciate all of your amazing reviews as well!
is the Summit better for certain bowlers (high / low rev rate) (high / low axis)?
Doesn't seem to be. James drilled one and it looks great for him, I like it, looks great for Angel, and we all throw it pretty different.
@@LukeRosdahl appreciate the feedback and all of your reviews.....very informative.
symmetric envision pearl???
I could see that, definite roll similarities.