If it had moving platters, I would have jumped on this immediately. For now, I think I'll stay with my NS7III just a little longer. Thanks for the peek Bro!
@@lookherejack hello! ..we are all talking about the recently released 4 channel Rane 4. The video link you posted is the 2 channel Rane One released a year and half ago. And it was already mentioned in this video review of Rane 4 @9:10 that there are No Moving Platters!!! Geez... Get current dude... Stop being so full of yourself jumping on everyone calling people troll!! You can count right? Rane 1 is not Rane 4. Go practise counting bars.. 1, 2, 3,4...
I feel same way you do except I love my Rane One & I do wanna buy a Pioneer Rev 7 for my second controller, it got have motorized platters. Your NS7III is still bomb with motorized platters I seen this one DJ's scratch workout with it I was blown away it's still Dope. I'm just waiting to see if they make a standalone with motorized platters
I was apprehensive when I heard the platters were static, coming from a turntablist background, but once I got hands on with the FOUR, my worries went out the window. The platters feel amazing!
Great first look video CT. I'm excited about this controller and look forward to the M version. Sure, it will be a little heavier than most but having an option is always a good thing.
great video and very informative. Hopefully Serato opens up some of the midi mapping capabilities to allow any 4 channel unit to have this ability. My friend Andrej Pecar created a custom XML file for me to do STEM split on a Denon DJ SC Live 4.
I’m very interested in this one as my eternal quest to find a capable successor to the Rane 68. To this day it still bewilders me how the main competing companies will saturate the market with scores of similar products while leaving out some glaring features that either pre-existed or would take little to include. Basic examples : lack of bus powered mixers or standalone controllers for sd/usb key djs. Another is proprietary interfaces & wondering why regular soundcards usually cant be used in place of say, a defunct SL4. No other option seems to exist just for that recently ubiquitous industry standard now discontinued & unsupported. What further confuses me is rendering older products obsolete so the new software hardware connection eventually expires. My issue with this is that the end user will invest in their chosen product, incorporate it into their professional workflow to later be forced out of the workflow with No products to resume function. This is not exclusive to dj tech - I often wonder the same with studio gear & as a result have been holding onto a pick-n-mix of various old tech with various pivotal interfaces (eg scsi, usb 1,2,3 & c, firewire, thunderbolt, pci, smpte, midi etc etc) to retain access to older work, workflows, sonics and the respective infrastructures. This rane four appears to come close-ish to the overall feature set I grew to love & even depend on with the 68. Ultimately I fully recognise that market demand dictates & my requirements are usually more niche by that metric. That said with the steady uptick of new djs & producers I don’t think it infeasible to want a product that delivers more tailored features (or even upgrade path) for the dj producer.
Bought the Rane 1 satisfied for the moving platters was the sell for me. Came from a pioneer controller with no moving platters. Looking for a moving platters going forward unless I m heading to the club then I take something light. Surprised the Rane 4 would be this way with no internal fans. If it would came with moving platters Pioneer Rev would had a problem.
Fantastic work as ALWAYS CT! I think we all know he had to be politically correct while in the presence of RANE employees who gave him the exclusive. We can look for THE REAL Review salute to Flossy Carter LOL 😂 once CT has that jawn in his laboratory. 💯👌🏾 Bottom line, NOT having the platters motorized is a huge knock against the FOUR. If the price is around $2K?! That will definitely be a costly mistake. I love RANE but for $2K 🤷🏽♂️ I’m buying the REV7
I see they built the power supply into it. That’s a win tbh. I still love my s7/12mkiis. So it will be a tough sell but I think it’s closer to my needs than the rev7. I need to find a place I can demo both at some point. Maybe in 2024
So now that the price has been announced, y’all complaining can keep quiet. $1600 is a steal for this controller. Also leave the motorized platters for battle controllers which this is not. The only option I wish this controller had is dual waveforms in the centre screens similar to the rev7. Helps keeps your eyes off the laptop screen.
Is this controller the answer to the Pioneer Rev 7 or the DDJ-1000srt? At first glance I wasn’t sure that I needed 4 channels but seeing how you can use the split stem feature it may not be so bad.. good comprehensive review can’t wait for full review once you get the controller
This looks like everything I want. It'd be a big jump up in size, weight and price from my current entry level controller, so I'll have to do some soul searching, but the features list is perfect.
With all due respect, can someone please explain all this hysteria over the lack of a 4-channel controller with moving platters? The full setup equivalent would be a 4-channel mixer with 4 turntables, you do realize that, right? Who actually needs that for scratching purposes? The only working DJs I’ve ever seen using 4 full decks (turntables or CDJs) are exclusively slow mixing and blending, not doing much scratching at all. So why this fervent need for moving platters when static platters work just fine for mixing? Also, if you really know how to scratch like a boss, you’re telling me you can’t get down here and there on a static platter?
I look forward to trying one out. Hopefully the jogs feel better than the Denon product. I’m curious to know if the Serato audio runs through the mixer or it turns into midi like on the Rane One. I’m not a fan of the xfader shape of the hardware that uses Seratos internal mixer. For me, the REV7 knocked it out of the park so I don’t see myself moving back to Rane, but I love to see new tech anyway!
Love my RANE ONE. I don’t feel like I’m missing ANYTHING at all. Serato STEMS are incredible. Serato FX are nice would have LOVED on board efx. RANE has to nail the price around the DDJ-1000SRT area. If this thing is MORE than the Rane ONE or about the same as the DDJ-REV7!? That will be a LOSS on Rane/inMusic’s behalf 🤷🏽♂️ by pricing themselves out of the market. I’m holding on to my RANE ONE until the MK2 drops.
That’s going to be the big deal, price.. if it’s prices too high I may not go for it.. I’m hoping with the added stems features the price would only be a couple hundred more than the 1000srt.. do you think $1600 is fair?
Looks pretty slick, I'd love to see Rane put out a 4 channel mixer with the same Stems integration. I already have a Reloop RP-8000MK2, a mixer that could do the STEMS shit would be epic. Or a version of this with motorized platters that doesn't cost as much as a used car.
Yeah was wondering the same thing, love my SZ But, think it’s time to up date to something better. Thought about getting the rev7 but I’m not into scratching thing.
I wouldnt care about the non-moving platters if it was a good 20-25% lighter than it actually is^^ Btw. does it have as bad of a cut-in as the rane one? The crossfader cut-in is REALLY bad on the rane one... I mean I love my rane one... BUT even with the sharpest settings on the hardware knob and in the software settings its still massively larger than on my reloop elite Im mostly using or any other mixer I have at home.
Hey buddy can you do us all a solid review outside? This was a serious issue when taking my R1 outside. The pads had 0% opacity so it was hard to use pads, and other buttons. What's the outdoor look like (nobody ever does an outside review)
@@ClevelandTerry Oh I know bud, You review equipment in the way DJ's want reviews. Anyone can read the manual, but you give in depth, in the field reviews based on user interaction. I'm extremely excited to see how it performs outside.
I love the design and the features.. But I need something where I can perform my tricks and be able to dj. While being portable and easy to setup on stages... If they would only just do 2 versions.. Like the Denon Players... They have the static version and the motorized platter version.. They would kill!!
Please dont keep letting pioneer pass you by.. By checking you out and putting everything people are asking on their products.. I prefer Rane... But they let pioneer kill the 72 with the S11 and then let them kill de Rane One with the Rev 7 Lets ship it out the door with all the bells and whistles!!!!
This Rane Four controller looks very promising, but this Rane One is still nice. I wonder if you can map a second or add-on controller to do half of these functions keeping the Rane One. Looking at how I can use an Akai AMX or AFX + Rane One to get half of the functionality. I already have the Midi pads mapped for the STEMS pads. Wondering what else I can do. ... I imagine Pioneer can probably make an add-on controller like a DDJ-XP3-SRT
ok,so I want to use digital yet I am really used to turntables, so I want something with the same feel...Can I get something great using turntables, an original Rane mixer, an interface, and control vinyl, or should I consider either Rane 4, Rane 12s, or some combination? I use my Vinyl home and I have a massive collection of records/CDs...
@@ClevelandTerry That's only fine here at home because I have the room for records..I am talking about spinning outside the house or even doing a live streaming set of events..
Great video. Can you tell me why they located the mic 2 controls in the front? And that toggle switch can easily be broken if not being careful to activate it. Do you think they'll move the mic controls to the top deck eventually? Makes no sense that the mic controls are on the front. Where's the talkover feature? Thanks for the review.
@Cleveland Terry Thanks for the reply. Yes, see that. I use talk over sometimes, and I don't think this unit has that feature. Do you think they'll make adjustments for that?
Unless it got a platter like the Rane One this is no go for me. Another boring controller. If I want this type of controller I just get s DDJ 1000. Disappointed at Rane
Everything sounded great until. 2 channel inputs only. Rane will wait then do like Denon Prime.. Put out moving platters, more costs. 18lbs is nothing compared to 2 technics tables. Nice video as always. 👍
Hi its a nice looking unit, however rane need to make all the screen larger specifically the center effect screen. Its too damn tiny to see. they have room to enlarge them. Also put a standard reverb effect on here beside that Korny scale efftect.
Willing to bet they are going to come with another model with moving platters lol watch same controller just spinning platters it’s a money grab move lol
I do not understand what happens to the engineers of the Rane company because they insist on continuing to make dj controllers with old designs if you already have a good Rane 1 controller why not follow that line. 12s excellent turntable that many djs like but what would happen if a pioneer company released a turtable like Rane 12 already has the pioneer REV7 imagine some turntables of the same sizes rane 12s. bye bye Rane your are making a lot of mistakes.
If it had moving platters, I would have jumped on this immediately. For now, I think I'll stay with my NS7III just a little longer. Thanks for the peek Bro!
@@lookherejack I guess I wasn't specific enough. I meant motorized platters. The jog wheels are impressive though.
@@lookherejack nope... watch this video... those 1200 style dots are not spinning
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@@lookherejack hello! ..we are all talking about the recently released 4 channel Rane 4. The video link you posted is the 2 channel Rane One released a year and half ago. And it was already mentioned in this video review of Rane 4 @9:10 that there are No Moving Platters!!! Geez... Get current dude... Stop being so full of yourself jumping on everyone calling people troll!! You can count right? Rane 1 is not Rane 4. Go practise counting bars.. 1, 2, 3,4...
I feel same way you do except I love my Rane One & I do wanna buy a Pioneer Rev 7 for my second controller, it got have motorized platters. Your NS7III is still bomb with motorized platters I seen this one DJ's scratch workout with it I was blown away it's still Dope. I'm just waiting to see if they make a standalone with motorized platters
@Djcleveland.... Not sure what this means, but thanks Bro!
This will be my next purchase! Great vid... always respect your opinions!
Looking forward to seeing one up close and patiently waiting to see what Pioneer will offer as well
Apparently is a really good controller even no platters motorized. I'm excited and I'm looking forward to keep in touch with this controller.
I was apprehensive when I heard the platters were static, coming from a turntablist background, but once I got hands on with the FOUR, my worries went out the window. The platters feel amazing!
Great first look video CT. I'm excited about this controller and look forward to the M version. Sure, it will be a little heavier than most but having an option is always a good thing.
I just wish this it had motorized platters. It would've been perfect with moving platters.
@Djcleveland.... get yo fake a-s off Cleveland’s video .
If I buy this and they come out with a motorized platter version. 😂😂So I will wait for the motorized version
great video and very informative. Hopefully Serato opens up some of the midi mapping capabilities to allow any 4 channel unit to have this ability. My friend Andrej Pecar created a custom XML file for me to do STEM split on a Denon DJ SC Live 4.
I been waiting to hear your reviews. I been hearing everybody else
thanks. always watch your videos before deciding on what gear to buy. awesome
I’m very interested in this one as my eternal quest to find a capable successor to the Rane 68. To this day it still bewilders me how the main competing companies will saturate the market with scores of similar products while leaving out some glaring features that either pre-existed or would take little to include.
Basic examples : lack of bus powered mixers or standalone controllers for sd/usb key djs. Another is proprietary interfaces & wondering why regular soundcards usually cant be used in place of say, a defunct SL4. No other option seems to exist just for that recently ubiquitous industry standard now discontinued & unsupported.
What further confuses me is rendering older products obsolete so the new software hardware connection eventually expires. My issue with this is that the end user will invest in their chosen product, incorporate it into their professional workflow to later be forced out of the workflow with No products to resume function. This is not exclusive to dj tech - I often wonder the same with studio gear & as a result have been holding onto a pick-n-mix of various old tech with various pivotal interfaces (eg scsi, usb 1,2,3 & c, firewire, thunderbolt, pci, smpte, midi etc etc) to retain access to older work, workflows, sonics and the respective infrastructures.
This rane four appears to come close-ish to the overall feature set I grew to love & even depend on with the 68.
Ultimately I fully recognise that market demand dictates & my requirements are usually more niche by that metric. That said with the steady uptick of new djs & producers I don’t think it infeasible to want a product that delivers more tailored features (or even upgrade path) for the dj producer.
Thanks for bringing up the XLR booth ommision. That SHOULD be the industry standard by now!!!
Maybe by release they may go back to ,xlr guess we'll see
This shit is basically like a DDJ-SRT1000 with few added buttons
That thing looks gorgeous
Gunna buy this, thanks for the review CT
Thanks Cleveand for your review of the Rane Four. DjDMIX
Bought the Rane 1 satisfied for the moving platters was the sell for me. Came from a pioneer controller with no moving platters. Looking for a moving platters going forward unless I m heading to the club then I take something light. Surprised the Rane 4 would be this way with no internal fans. If it would came with moving platters Pioneer Rev would had a problem.
Maaaan that's exactly what I was thinking 🙌🏿
I’ll wait for the next moving platters one
Fantastic work as ALWAYS CT!
I think we all know he had to be politically correct while in the presence of RANE employees who gave him the exclusive. We can look for THE REAL Review salute to Flossy Carter LOL 😂 once CT has that jawn in his laboratory. 💯👌🏾
Bottom line, NOT having the platters motorized is a huge knock against the FOUR. If the price is around $2K?! That will definitely be a costly mistake. I love RANE but for $2K 🤷🏽♂️ I’m buying the REV7
They know the moving platters were the sellers but not going to implement them on the new one 🤦🏿♂️
I think this will be the replacement of my Pioneer DDJ SZ
Pioneer No. 1
Doing what you do best.Thank You.
looks even better up close
I see they built the power supply into it. That’s a win tbh. I still love my s7/12mkiis. So it will be a tough sell but I think it’s closer to my needs than the rev7. I need to find a place I can demo both at some point. Maybe in 2024
This just passed the REV7 on my list. The 4 channel part alone is enough for that.
Without onboard FX or moving platters, I can’t put it above the Rev7
Look at the pio opus
Fantastic! I wonder what the cost will be.
So now that the price has been announced, y’all complaining can keep quiet. $1600 is a steal for this controller. Also leave the motorized platters for battle controllers which this is not. The only option I wish this controller had is dual waveforms in the centre screens similar to the rev7. Helps keeps your eyes off the laptop screen.
The Stems implementation is next level. I would say with moving platters would have beat Rev7 and old NS7iii . I can't get past price for Rev7?
😂 Have you seen the suggested price for the Rane 4. It's potentially going to be $2k.
Is this controller the answer to the Pioneer Rev 7 or the DDJ-1000srt?
At first glance I wasn’t sure that I needed 4 channels but seeing how you can use the split stem feature it may not be so bad.. good comprehensive review can’t wait for full review once you get the controller
1000 SRT
This is definitely aimed at being a competitor to the DDJ1000.
"the machine is not ready" quote of the week !
Motorized platters is a big deal! Not buying it until they upgrade to moving platters!
This looks like everything I want. It'd be a big jump up in size, weight and price from my current entry level controller, so I'll have to do some soul searching, but the features list is perfect.
With all due respect, can someone please explain all this hysteria over the lack of a 4-channel controller with moving platters? The full setup equivalent would be a 4-channel mixer with 4 turntables, you do realize that, right? Who actually needs that for scratching purposes? The only working DJs I’ve ever seen using 4 full decks (turntables or CDJs) are exclusively slow mixing and blending, not doing much scratching at all. So why this fervent need for moving platters when static platters work just fine for mixing? Also, if you really know how to scratch like a boss, you’re telling me you can’t get down here and there on a static platter?
Thanks for your input, and your views, looking forward to your full review
I look forward to trying one out. Hopefully the jogs feel better than the Denon product. I’m curious to know if the Serato audio runs through the mixer or it turns into midi like on the Rane One. I’m not a fan of the xfader shape of the hardware that uses Seratos internal mixer. For me, the REV7 knocked it out of the park so I don’t see myself moving back to Rane, but I love to see new tech anyway!
This is the important question here
I love my Rev 7 but this looks awesome except for the lack of spinning platters
I like it. I plan on adding it to my rental stock.
Love my RANE ONE. I don’t feel like I’m missing ANYTHING at all. Serato STEMS are incredible. Serato FX are nice would have LOVED on board efx. RANE has to nail the price around the DDJ-1000SRT area.
If this thing is MORE than the Rane ONE or about the same as the DDJ-REV7!? That will be a LOSS on Rane/inMusic’s behalf 🤷🏽♂️ by pricing themselves out of the market.
I’m holding on to my RANE ONE until the MK2 drops.
That’s going to be the big deal, price.. if it’s prices too high I may not go for it.. I’m hoping with the added stems features the price would only be a couple hundred more than the 1000srt.. do you think $1600 is fair?
$1699 should be the price but everywhere I look, it's saying msrp $2k.
@ClevelandTerry this or the FLX 10?
Looks pretty slick, I'd love to see Rane put out a 4 channel mixer with the same Stems integration. I already have a Reloop RP-8000MK2, a mixer that could do the STEMS shit would be epic. Or a version of this with motorized platters that doesn't cost as much as a used car.
Rane already has it out. The Rane Four is the direct competitor to the FLX-10.
@@PrinzII but I'm talking about a 4 channel mixer not a controller
How would you compare this to the pioneer SZ? Is the sound better? Would you replace it with this unit?
Yeah was wondering the same thing, love my SZ But, think it’s time to up date to something better. Thought about getting the rev7 but I’m not into scratching thing.
great review !
i don’t know it’s not even competition for the rev 7
I wouldnt care about the non-moving platters if it was a good 20-25% lighter than it actually is^^
Btw. does it have as bad of a cut-in as the rane one? The crossfader cut-in is REALLY bad on the rane one... I mean I love my rane one... BUT even with the sharpest settings on the hardware knob and in the software settings its still massively larger than on my reloop elite Im mostly using or any other mixer I have at home.
DO the platters spin?
Dope, someone cracked the code for stem splits for any 4 channel mixer
4 track master tape
The mashups have been interesting! And my friends send me two or three a day that they’re super impressed with!🤦🏾♂️😂
Hard pass for me because my next controller would be a 4 channel with moving platters....my finale controller buy.
All I wanted was an Ns7ii replacement, and got no motorized platters...RIP.
NS7iii crew… big up
If this had moving platters it could possibly replace the NS7iii
that thing a beast looking heavy to mobile around
make a rotary version!
That would be cool.
Great Review!
Whats the going price for the rane 4
Hey buddy can you do us all a solid review outside? This was a serious issue when taking my R1 outside. The pads had 0% opacity so it was hard to use pads, and other buttons. What's the outdoor look like (nobody ever does an outside review)
I do outside reviews all the time, when I have the product. You’ll have to wait until I get my copy
@@ClevelandTerry Oh I know bud, You review equipment in the way DJ's want reviews. Anyone can read the manual, but you give in depth, in the field reviews based on user interaction. I'm extremely excited to see how it performs outside.
I love the design and the features.. But I need something where I can perform my tricks and be able to dj. While being portable and easy to setup on stages... If they would only just do 2 versions.. Like the Denon Players... They have the static version and the motorized platter version.. They would kill!!
Please dont keep letting pioneer pass you by.. By checking you out and putting everything people are asking on their products.. I prefer Rane... But they let pioneer kill the 72 with the S11 and then let them kill de Rane One with the Rev 7
Lets ship it out the door with all the bells and whistles!!!!
Rane 4 or ddj1000 srt, which jog wheels feel the best also compared to Denonsc6000 ? I am pretty sure Numark ns73 beats them or any motorise .
Rane FOUR all day. Also, the NS7 series, V7, SC5000/6000M, Rane Twelve and One all use the same kind of motors.
I still like my NS7iii. This is really interesting with the stems addition...... Really interesting.
Can I still use my 2012 MacBook Pro on this controller? Will I still have full access of STEMS?
You’ll have to check with serato on your computer model. If the current serato works on your mac, the rane four should work
This Rane Four controller looks very promising, but this Rane One is still nice. I wonder if you can map a second or add-on controller to do half of these functions keeping the Rane One. Looking at how I can use an Akai AMX or AFX + Rane One to get half of the functionality. I already have the Midi pads mapped for the STEMS pads. Wondering what else I can do. ... I imagine Pioneer can probably make an add-on controller like a DDJ-XP3-SRT
Looks amazing. Will prob get it. All that and still no USB C!
ok,so I want to use digital yet I am really used to turntables, so I want something with the same feel...Can I get something great using turntables, an original Rane mixer, an interface, and control vinyl, or should I consider either Rane 4, Rane 12s, or some combination? I use my Vinyl home and I have a massive collection of records/CDs...
Turntables, mixer and phase since you still use vinyl.
@@ClevelandTerry That's only fine here at home because I have the room for records..I am talking about spinning outside the house or even doing a live streaming set of events..
The jogs are to loose for me. They should of had the option to where you can tighten the jog wheels. Like how pioneer has….
Is it compatible for dvs w/t-tables or cdjs? Have heard nothing about this.
Yes
Great video. Can you tell me why they located the mic 2 controls in the front? And that toggle switch can easily be broken if not being careful to activate it. Do you think they'll move the mic controls to the top deck eventually? Makes no sense that the mic controls are on the front. Where's the talkover feature?
Thanks for the review.
The main mic is on the top and the secondary mic is in the front.
@Cleveland Terry Thanks for the reply. Yes, see that. I use talk over sometimes, and I don't think this unit has that feature. Do you think they'll make adjustments for that?
Talk over is there too.
@@ClevelandTerry Thank you!
When will be available on market ? I would like get one .
maybe they should do both moving and non moving platters
Moving platters are better 😊
I officially retired from DJing this year. I'm having second thoughts now lol.
Have they decided on a releace date and price point?
Unless it got a platter like the Rane One this is no go for me. Another boring controller. If I want this type of controller I just get s DDJ 1000. Disappointed at Rane
Do you think it compares to the 1000srt.
Everything sounded great until. 2 channel inputs only.
Rane will wait then do like Denon Prime..
Put out moving platters, more costs.
18lbs is nothing compared to 2 technics tables.
Nice video as always. 👍
Yeah I’ll get the Mixon 8
I gotta have it don't care the price
Any news on a new Rane 12
❤ InMusic owns everyone but Pioneer!!!!! And Technics!!!!!
THANK THE LORT for an IEC power cord instead of some large power brick!!!
I want spinning platters!
I would have upgraded my Rane One if the platters moved.
I know the have the duck down effect like on the REV 7 but what is it called on the Rane 4
Duck echo
@@DJGaryP thank you
What headphones are those??
Nice but i'm cool with the Rane One , Some djs are spoiled & complain about anything......The Rane One is perfect in my eyes!
🔥🔥
your thee best of the best
does it work like normal 4 channel controller?
Yes
I'll just stick to my Numark ns7iii
Hi its a nice looking unit, however rane need to make all the screen larger specifically the center effect screen. Its too damn tiny to see. they have room to enlarge them. Also put a standard reverb effect on here beside that Korny scale efftect.
This is a perfect controller for a remix dj like myself. I was kinda hoping pioneer would have made a board like this, but Rane beat them to it.
announced at €2,499 in europe.
Insane price for me
There are no prices yet. I literally spoke to inmusic 2 days ago.
@@ClevelandTerry i Hope so.
A lot of webseller have put a Pricetag on there site.
No Spinning Platters!! Smh
How big is compared to the Denon prime 4
It’s smaller, not a deep or wide.
At least make the platers look like the Rane 1 .
But it’s not a rane one…
Willing to bet they are going to come with another model with moving platters lol watch same controller just spinning platters it’s a money grab move lol
Rane 4M🎉🎉
Imo they need to do better with showing the toughness of materials in the photos. Looks plastic In the photos!
No motorized platters.
Don’t you think that I know that? 😂
If enough of people complain
What about rekordbox DJ I'm tired of hearing about Serato
Rekordbox doesn’t work on anything non pioneer
I do not understand what happens to the engineers of the Rane company because they insist on continuing to make dj controllers with old designs if you already have a good Rane 1 controller why not follow that line. 12s excellent turntable that many djs like but what would happen if a pioneer company released a turtable like Rane 12 already has the pioneer REV7 imagine some turntables of the same sizes rane 12s. bye bye Rane your are making a lot of mistakes.
Nope the non motorized platters is a no for me