Kemper Liquid Profiling IN DEPTH (with MBRITT!)
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2023
- The King of the Kemper Michael Britt joins HW in a more in depth look at the upcoming Liquid Profiling firmware from Kemper. How are we using them, is liquid profiling better than the generic controls, what do Kemper Packs look like in the future? We discuss it all!
Check out TJ: tonejunkiestore.com
Check out MB: mbritt.com
I use Kemper every day and have no plans switching to anything else. I have almost all of the profiles of these two gentlemen and they are just so damn good that with few od pedals I can create whatever sound I want. I just love Christoph Kempers humble strategy to update the old profiler for free years and years in a row...Nice to see how the liquid eq improves Kemper in my use. Thanks guys, keep on putting new stuff out, I will probably buy them anyway...
What about ye olde plasticky ‘Kemper sound’ has that been addressed? Or did you never even know it
Great video, you guys are great. I think the main point is, theoretically, you can now adjust gain quite a bit from a single profile, and the results should be true to the original amp. On a non-liquid profile, you can tweak the gain knob of course, but larger movements start to wander from the real amp (might sound good, but not realistic)… so (in theory) instead of using five profiles for the same amp to capture different gain settings, you could use one and adjust the gain knob with more success/consistency than before.
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M. Britt restores my hope for humanity. Great episode, HW.
He’s a national treasure!
Was waiting for this one! ❤
Hope you enjoyed it!
Michael Britt, we love you! ❤
Been waiting! Now to wrap my head around it...
Very interesting video. We waiting...🙂
Good to know about the Marshall EQ. I have an 81 JCM 800 4210 Combo that is awesome (don't care what the critics think) and my EQ seems somewhat useless except for the Mid knob.
It is the only Marshall I have ever owned but I have played many of my friends but did not mess with the settings since they were dialed in.
I always use pedals with it. This one was modded when I got it. Bright cap clipped and diodes removed. I have a PV VTM60 that rocks but the EQ there is way different story.
Brian
I really like that a Marshall will now have their real eq and other amps too. Then have the option to have it or not. That's great.
This is great news for Kemper owners, and something other companies might consider for their Modelers.
14:17
As a consumer, I would love to have the “authentic” liquid profile ie.. set to noon. This is what the amp sounds like and here’s how the tone stack works. Then as a pack give me some of the generics with sounds you think exemplify the amp as we have in the past. This way we get “the amp” and “THE amp”.
I love my Kemper and the profiles I’ve gotten from both of you. I don’t see how it can be any better than it is, but I’m willing to try.
Same here brotha which is why my G.A.S for Amps has finally ended.
I think of it more like taste adjustments, with variations on EQ. I bet my wife wouldn't hear any difference. And why would she. But as a player... those tiny bits can be important.
I bet there’s s big feel factor that is now introduced. Kemper is KING
Great question at 14:28! Less profiles at different gain levels
Liquid Profiling is now available 9.08 update. It's fun. I couldn't crank my amp it was just a little too late. But it sounded amazing and pure.
Nice! Would love to see MBritt on the Guitar Friends Podcast! Amazing that Kemper pulled this off after many a naysayer on the Kemper forums saying it was impossible (no offense to anyone).
Marshall EQ was absolutely assassinated in this vid lol
Great video!! Do you when Liquid profiling will be out?
The best tone I’ve had on all my presets for my Kemper profile stage , is when I dialed my amps I needed for the gig with the dynamics of the band that I play with on a weekly basis during rehearsals and sound checks.
Outside of the band, my presets are horrible. And it’s supposed to be.
Hi guys how are you gong to use this in your existing profiles? Are you going to charge for an update or just share your settings? Thx
Nice video guys. So thanks for this.
I have 2 Marshalls. A JMP50 from 1969 Smallbox in purple and my trusty JCM 800 2203 100W from 1983. The purple one has a very effective Bass Pot. I have to turn it down close to zero to get "the" Sound. I have 2 different 4x12 cabinets with either greenbacks/blackbacks from 69/77, a few celestions of the eighties. In my opinion the "EQ" of these amps are very effective. Not like a parametric EQ of course.
And even the "all to ten" rule is not the smartest move in my humble opinion. For example my JCM 800 sounds the best up to 7. Further its getting dull and not very articulated. Watch the Rig Rundown from JD Simo (about 10 years ago). He used to play purple Plexis at this time and he speaks about cutting the bass knob completely to zero.
Thanks again and greetz ✌🏻
Will this allow us to take profiles with too much gain (for my taste)... and dial them back and have a usable & more realistic results? If you update the profile with the correct model?
Great stuff. Tonex is a more realistic purchase for most non-gigging pros, but gotta admit the Liquid Profiling is cool. Let's see how long it takes for IK Multimedia to find a way to engineer around the patents and do something similar. And, how long will it take Line 6 to get into profiling...
The big question about liquid profiling is if Kemper actually did model the stone stacks according to the original ones ( like Marshall JCM with 33k slope resistor ,470pf treble cap etc)or if they just matched the ranges . Since a lot of interactivity is happening , also with gain , if you play with bright caps it get even more complicated. It would be wonderful if they took that all into account. Having said that It would be even more accurate if you would be able to make a profile A with gain on 2 and profile B with gain on 7 and merge those two profiles into the new liquid profile. Going just from max gain and calculate the rest is certainly less accurate
Sounds so good! I'm wondering how one would 'liquid profile' a boutique amp like the Mzero MezzaBarba Eric Steckel amp. (For instance).
What base amp would you choose? I have several boutique amps like this, that don't exactly fit the stock amp choices. Do you know if in the future Kemper will expand the stock amp choices?
Thanks Loren
What pack is the MBritt 72 Marshall LP1 ? Sounds good. Thanks for the great stuff both of you do. I bought the ToneJunkie everything pack and loving it.
ok..I think I'll answer my own question...I guess LP stands for liquid profiling and not LesPaul...lol
Does MBritt have any liquid profiles for sale ? I only see the ones in the free pack
Not sure I’d this is possible, but sounds like Kemper needs to make a program that can evaluate old profiles and compare them to the amps settings to try to determine where it was profiled then modify the profile to match.
What was the Setup? With Kemper cone Mode?
what hum bucker is being used?
Using pedals with the amp shouldn't affect the process of liquid profiling because when you think about it, you would still use the same controls on the amp even if you use a pedal. I reckon the best way to ensure it's accurate, just set the gain at the level you would in order to get the sound with the pedal. The user can still use the controls to alter the gain and eq as if they were using the amp. The only issue is that they won't be able to change the controls on the pedal.
I don't get it....every time I load a profile from Michael Britt it always sounds like crap yet I hear his profiles in videos like these and they sound great...wtf am I doing wrong? For example, I loaded the '67 deluxe profile from Michael and it sounded dull and lifeless. Do I need to add overdrives and eq's? When I load The Amp Factory or Tone Junkie profiles they sound good right out of the box. This is what I don't get....any help would be appreciated!
Tone is in the fingers apparently
Kemper got me today... I was doing my daily checking for beta routines for liquid profiling and today there is a new beta! Change notes: fixed issue with tap temp led.......
Why were there no TJ Liquid Profiles with firmware 10.0.0 release? 😵
Will tonex pedal be able to do it some day?
Where can we buy the MB tshirts!!
Could one of you Kemper experts PLEASE review and advise on USB recording with Kemper and iMac? Thx Vr, Mike
I think this episode (and the one you did yesterday) have brought to mind an actual DOWNSIDE of Liquid Profiling: that is, the older style of profiles give you types and amounts of control *not* found on the original amps.
You’re correct, however I don’t find it to be a downside, having either option at any time. More options to tweak a profile means less total profiles of a single reference amp, which simplifies your library. That is, assuming you are getting what you want from the liquid EQs.
It's a trade-off. Only you know what works for you.
You’re never happy!😅
You guys are really geeking out here! I have no idea what you're talking about half the time. What does LP mean for the end user? Did the V10 update provide us with any LP profiles? Does it affect our existing profiles?
Now will we be able to affect the older profiles with this liquid thing?
Yeha you can “elevate” any profile to a liquid profile.
@@ToneJunkieTV YeHA! Any idea when the official update will be available?
When you say “elevate” do you need to know how the original amp was set? Are you setting everything at 5?
Michael Britt and Vince Gill can tag team me anytime. Yes daddy bear 🐻
I think for home wanking, this will be very fun. I do see the trade offs, but more options is always a good thing!
Plus, any profile that works well with this feature, will be simplified in that we can remove overlapping profiles of the same amp.
Did he say NOBELS, SOLID GROUND, according to Uncle Larry/bucavac.
I'd like to know the brand and the model of the guitar in this video please🙂
Thank you 🤗
Tom Anderson. The best!
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As far as making profiles. To ME and l will address that to me, the best and most epic way to use my Kemper is stereo or mono to house and then a 2x12 or 4x12 behind me. Monitor out of the Kemper with the speaker/cab sim disabled. And l will add, l run NO effects to my monitor out speaker cab. It’s dry. On occasion I have had a sound guy mike my dry cab and mix it in. I would like opinions.
Great information! If you don't know, check out the "The Gear Page." You will find a heck information on a lot of guitar stuff, etc. Good luck!
I have to be honest i get the feeling you're underwhelmed but trying hard to find the liquid profiles exciting.
That’s what an AxefxIII makes… but with pretty all the parameters 😂
Gains structure too
@20:17 Voxy Lady?
Not impressed with the amp models. I usually play clean so the fact that i do not see any clean amp in the list saddens me. We all know that clean is the start. No need for a Soldano or Marshall. 😢
With Liquid profiles, just adjust the bright cap setting adjusted and you get your clean chanel properly represented.
Why is Michael Britt ignoring Tonex? He could make some serious money by profiling amps for Tonex platfrom. Contarctual obligations maybe!?
No contracts. We actually talk about it on the guitar friends podcast that will be out in a couple days. Short answer, Lonestar is still a touring band so he’s busy and he likes what he likes. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t do ToneX but Michael isn’t in a rush and a hyper CZcamsr like me. He’s chill…we’ve talked about him capturing his amps. He’s just not in a rush.
@@ToneJunkieTV Oh ok, makes sense. Thanks for the answer.
If it ain’t broke…
The word liquid. Sounds like a marketing term.
so?
Sounds like apple, very un-german like, jaja
I think the idea of modeling the actual tone stacks of different amps is useful and a good thing to have, but the Kemper won't be able to compete until it improves its core profiling capability. I've owned one for like a decade now, but, honestly, it just isn't as good as ToneX or NAM in terms of accuracy of profiles or even the feel of those profiles. I think Liquid Profiling is just a gimmicky software update trying to convince people to not sell their Kemper for a ToneX. It's more of a reactionary move + marketing.
I have tried both and kemper remains as good as ever, tonex doesnt get more accurate than the kemper, sometimes kemper get the profile better, sometimes the tonex gets it better. And no, kemper doesnt do this so you wont sell your kemper, they could care less about if customers sell their gear, they dont lose money for that.
Don't be brainwashed by the nonsense CZcamsr influencer click bait videos.
Hundreds of touring bands filling stadiums using Kempers, yet to see one touring band using ToneX or NAM.
@@guitartoneSA I own them both and have owned the Kemper for like a decade. The Kemper's profiles aren't as accurate. That's just a fact. Null tests prove it too.
@@justsomerandomguyman
Do you think hundreds of guitarists in touring bands all over the world are thinking to themselves on stage that there's some other digital box that makes a 7.328% more accurate profile than the Kemper?...they don't care!
Only people on social media are worried about a null test !
@@justsomerandomguymani agree and I’m an early Kemper adopter. I can’t stop playing tone-x. It feels real and is very spongy. The Kemper was always great, but the feel lacked even though I felt it was miles ahead of axe.