Honda Rebel vs Star V Star 250 vs Cleveland Cyclewerks the Heist - 2012 250cc Cruiser Shootout
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2012
- The 250cc cruiser class is stunningly limited, but we managed to wrangle together three bikes to do battle -- the Honda Rebel, Star V Star 250, and Cleveland Cyclewerks the Heist.
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I'm a beginner rider and I was initially considering the Honda Rebel for my first bike, but I went with the V-star 250 - just love the sound of the V-twin :-)
me too I picked up a v star 250 after riding a rebel did not like it one bit
DARN SCOOTIN' !
@@larespuertorico Didn't like which one one bit? Rebel?
@@filoIII the rebel didn’t like it
Specs? Price? Comparisons? Faults, and laid out pro's and cons?
Nah.
'Dis one comfy dis one no''
Terrific shootout. Professional journalism.
agreed this was barely a comparison
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This mundane critique left me with little knowledge past what I could see with my own eyes. Yes the Rebel is smaller fitted, yes the V Star is more cushioned, and of course the Heist is uncomfortable. The review I just watched is "stunningly limited."
Yep, they also didn't use the "Quinteestential rider" to do the test, that chick is like 5' nothing...... The average female in the U.S. 5'5" and the average male is 5'10". She's nowhere NEAR the size of the "average new rider".
Of course youre gonna feel every bump in the road, its a fucken hardtail!
+kevinfrmkdz thank you I was going to say something similar
Yep..... That's the ENTIRE point of a hard tail.
Weeeeell, the Heist is a hard tail Bobber so it rides like, well, a hard tail Bobber.
I own a 2016 Cleveland Cyclewerks The Heist and I love riding it.
I don't think many re-entries will torture their 50+ year old backs with a hardtail bike
I had the V Star 250 back in the late '80s. when it was known as the Yamaha Route 66. Between that and the Rebel 250, the Star is much nicer. Plus, it's got the traditional long-stroke V-twin engine, which lends it a degree of cruiser authenticity that you simply don't get from the Honda.
Hey me too I had route 66 it was bad ass baby
I also like that it's a SOHC motor, unlike many big bikes, like Harley that still use pushrods and rockers.
And, the Vstar 250 rides silky smooth. The suspension is outstanding.
Very weak review...I didn't learn anything important.
Me too. However, it is an 8 year old review.
he almost said "Straight from the Horses Mouth"
Good recovery
great video, now I don't have any question about my second motorcycle thanks for put this beautiful video,
Unfair review the Heist is a ridged frame. The Rebel and the Star are a close match though . Myself I would pick one of the twins over the one lunger
The heist is a hardtail. Its not really fair to compare it with the others based on the quality of the ride. Use one of the other cyclewerks bikes.
totally agree they are comparing 1 bike that has no rear suspension with 2 other bikes that do, its obvious it wont be as comfortable as the others since thats what the suspension is for and the heist doesnt have any, i would like to know as you said and well, a comparison between some hardtail bikes and see how the heist would do in terms of comfort
I was saying the same. It's a hard tail. I've never owned a bike and I know the difference.
***** Really? "reliability issues"? Is that what you call it? They're absolute junk bikes, all of them. Sure, they look good but who wants to sit in their garage and stare at a bike with missing parts you cannot replace? Google "Cleveland, nothing but problems: Customer critique of warranty..." etc. Dude made 50 miles before he started pushing. Got threatened with a lawsuit for criticizing the quality publicly.
***** Oh, none taken. I was agreeing with you but presenting "reliability issues" in a more pro-active (read: "aggressive") manner. I'm about so sick of these Chinese shitpiles, bile backs up in my throat and I just wanna PUKE! (there. I feel better) I will agree these Cleveland (China) bikes look absolutely "TITS" (an old biker adage) but so do those Chinese Honda-clone industrial engines such as the GX160 or any GX-series Honda-clone engine. What Honda does is sells China all the molds and tooling for the GX-series after the tooling and molds are past specifications and tolerances. "Worn out; shot" in other words. I just wrapped up a 41 year career as a small engine mechanic and had to turn away a lot of customers over the recent years who bought (usually from Harbor Freight) skid-mounted (portable) generators. They'd get like 2 hours out of one and in my shop they'd come. Usually loss of electrical power output. I tried "exciting" a few to no avail. ("exciting" is like a "jump start" of the generators output, pretty simple but to lengthy to explain here) Although I was a power generator operator/mechanic in the United States Army (52B20) I refused to work on anything Chinese because of lack of parts access. That included scooters, dirt bikes, mini-crotch rockets, anything. There are zillions of little Dinks running around China building all this crap (usually by child slave labor) and exporting it to the US only because people here see something pretty and the price is right, not realizing "you get what you pay for". Buy a used, low mileage Honda Rebel from some Dyke who only rode it to the lesbian bar on Friday nights. You all will thank me later.
My wife has a Honda Rebel. She loves it. Its her first bike also. Tried to get her to get the s40 650cc. It was 30lbs heavier, Little more power, but she made her choice that she felt comfortable with and that's what important when you are learning. We got 77 mpg on this thing last summer. Pretty reliable entry level bike.
I would like to see a video on the pros and cons of vertical twins v.s. v twins in the areas of performance, efficiency, maintenance, and longevity.
Honda Rebel. Why? 1. So many of them have been built for so long parts are cheap and will be available forever. 2. Engine and carb is bulletproof. 3. With some cutting off of a superfluous piece that bumps in the way, you can take the entire top end out of the bike (cylinderhead) without removing entire bloody engine from bike. For ebay $100 cylinder kit, you can replace your piston, rings, cylinder. Like getting a whole new engine. 4. Easy to handle and a joy to ride, if you are short person under 6ft tall. 5. 60mpg. 6. Cranks up every time, and if ever not (like a dead battery), you can push start it.
Beautiful :')
the v star is even cheaper to repair due to there being a shit ton of parts available due to it just being the old virago 250 (and they are everywhere) with new handle bars and a rebadge
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*An Anna* I do believe you could add a number 7 to that list. It being, that as the style hasn't changed over many years, you could almost guarantee a healthy resale value for those earlier model Honda Rebels, providing they were looked after well and appeared in as new condition. About the only addition I think Honda could do to improve it, would be to install a matching tachometer...
only 60 mgp?
This is a great video.
Love all these little bikes. Where were they in the 60s. It is so nice that new riders have these advanced bikes to hone their skills.
Two of the bikes are actually reliable and durable, plus have some resale value.
I love The Heist!! When you look at the Heist, It looks as if its already Customized from the Factory or It looks like Someone customized the bike thereselves! I like how it looks minimal, Like you have The frame with a seat, two wheels and a Engine, You dont see a bunch of wires or a bulky AirBox, Side Panels so you cant see through the bike! It just looks Simple without all that stuff and ofcourse lite weight. Im thinking about buying one and getting it custom painted, blacken out all the, get the same size wheels but in all black, And I think that would really set this bike off.. . Actually I think this Bike would be Awsome for anybody to build what they want with it.
well done nice test!
The 250 rebel was around in the early 80s, when I started riding. Classic would be a rigid framed bike. Cram another motor in it from the scrap yard and better brakes and you are rockin.
Been riding off and on for over 40 years. Took a motorcycle safety course in 2013 for insurance and such. I had a Honda 1100 Shadow. We rode Honda 250 Nighthawks for the course. What a fun little bike, I was thinking about getting one for around town putter. Great learner bike but wife and kids are not interested in two wheels.
The V Star and Rebel looked nice but the Heist hurt my back just looking at the hard tail.
Since the Rebel and V Star are widely available in good used condition they are very affordable commuter bikes and this review is still valid. Not everyone needs a big powerful bike and the two Japanese bikes are "perfect" for many folks.
The Heist reminds me of an old Honda 305 that I chopped back in 1970, for a kid down the street from me. He still has it.
Very good review .l'v herd the term beginner &, re entery ,but my main reason for choosing a V Star 250 would be that It weights only 325lbs.and would go on my motorcycle rack easily , behind my R.V.--or motorhome--it wouldbe great for exploring and zipping down to the store.
So how tall or what is the inseam length for the guys that they choose the Yamaha?
To fix the bumpy ride on the heist all you need is there air suspension for the seat and there after market more padded seats.
yeah but I have a hardtail bobber myself and you definitely feel EVERYTHING! I decided to build a hardtail cause I thought I wouldn't mind the rough ride. it was a lot rougher than I thought. its still fun tho.
This is exactly what I hate about most of the bike reviews I ever see. In very broad strokes, there is almost never any instrumented testing, no quantitative analysis of build, ride quality or performance, and the opinions are slipshod AT BEST, teetering toward fanboyism. These folks do not show that they really know their way around a bike. The lady is excused because she was a newbie.
How about a show with an ex-/current bike racer (somebody with actual talent), a fat guy that is a decent rider and a skinny hooligan (political correctness be damned!)? Do some real testing, talk about actual motorcycling and go on a trip or something? Talk to the manufacturers about why they do things the way they do (i.e. try to be relevant to the industry).
Look, any moron can get on a bike and vomit words. Talking about what-is-what in relevant terms with decent cinematography and verifiable data is something else entirely.
Wait can you throw a kick lever on the CCW Heist and make it a kickstart? It looks like there is a spot for it but no kick lever attached
I love my Yamaha virago 250 (older version of the vstar 250). It has a v-twin engine so you can't go wrong with that! :) but the thing I hate about it is that you can't put much for saddlebags on it since the turn signals are farther back. I had to cut a hole so they would fit the turn signals. The seat isn't very comfortable and feels like I'm sitting on the frame.
to compensate it practicly runs on water in terms of gas
The Virago (1996) was my pick too. I think your missing the entire point about the "starter bike". They aren't meant to have saddlebags, They are not a bike your taking on a 500 mile trip. They are built to take around town/city and around the backroads where the speed limit is lower than the interstate and you can cruise at 55-60 mph to get use to riding.
I own a heist that I recently bought and it is fully customed out with mini apes, cut rear fender, bmx grips, stealth mirror, two to one throttle cable. Bike could not look cooler if you tried except new paint. Which will be a marbleized black/silver with candy blue... head light is a 46 Chevy, and a 1933 ford rear tail light. Straight piped and all my buddies are drooling... lookes totally bad ass and fun... maybe an engine swap down the road to an xs650. Be cool if ccw had swap kits for different motors that would fit the frame without any mods.
I have a 09 Star that "I bobbed", I have added lots of cool aftermarket stuff to it to make it a proper bobber and I get lots of comments and looks. I'm satisfied with the XV250. I had a Rebel way back when, it was nice too.
She cant appreciate a rigid frame. Thats a sharp bike.
The Rebel 250 is only a 234 cc in the specs I've read about it same for the Nighthawk 250.
I did my MSF on a Honda Rebel. Fun little bike. I've only seen the Cleveland Cyclwerks on videos. However, with their pricing so low, I wonder why they don't just create a standard bike over a cruiser. The fancy non-ergo bikes can only go so far in terms of market. Their cafe racer is a nice bike too, but again not exactly a standard bike.
man I miss the old days of quick, to the point videos. When the only things longer than 10 minutes on youtube were documentaries.
I have a Rebel --- have had it about 3 years.
I like it, except that the transmission is unacceptably squirrelly. It is hard to get into neutral and in connection with the struggle getting it into neutral, it sometimes pops into gear when it should not. It is amazing to me that Honda has not fixed this problem in the 31 year production run of this model.
I would like to try a V-Star. Anyone looking to get a rebel, I suggest you try a V-Star too before making a decision.
That’s the same thing my Grom does. Was going to replace the clutch. My neighbor adjusted the cable and that helped a bit.
1:14 that's what he said.
Well you did it right out of the box. All the bikes I owned in the 70's were less than 450cc. Where did you get this "reentry" term? I wish Honda still made 350 and 400cc bikes. They got better gas milage, easer to control, go off-road on trails, and cost less than the bikes available. Just because the patents have run out of the design and now China is able to make 100cc to less than 300cc bikes still do not put them in your "reentry" classification.
The music is epic!
I just got a Rebel 250 as my first motorcycle. I'm 6' and it would be nice if it were a little bigger, but it's fine for me.
i had big or sport bikes before but im having more fun with 250s
Should be fine. If looking in the used market look at a Honda Nighthawk. It is a standard bike (not a cruiser) and therefore you will be sitting more upright and it will acommodate larger people easier. Since you also have dirt bike exposure consider a dual sport TW200 or the 250. Don't worry about getting a 250 size bike - you can trade up to any other size when you are ready!
i'm 5"6 145Lbs and i started out on a rebel. It's a great bike.
The Rebel is actually 233cc's also. It's my favorite of this bunch, though certainly nothing wrong with Yamaha. The "Heist" was taken off the market due to a lot of complaints; it's made in good old Cleveland, China, so of COURSE it's junk.
I got my first bike a few months ago. It is a used Honda Shadow 750 Aero. Low seat hight, reliable, 56 miles per gallon, great looks, comfortable, and it cost only $3000 dollars. I recommend getting a used bike for a first bike.
I would have liked to hear more about the differences in engine vibe, power delivery, and suspension and brake differences. Broaden your review so that it is not as stunningly limited as the selection of available bikes in this category. Still, thank you for doing the review.
No, there was no brand loyalty, if you watch the beginning again there is a few comments about it, they were only testing "Cruiser" Style motorcycles for this one, The TU250 is a standard/naked bike with vintage european styling and the GW250 is a newer fairing styled Naked. It's not that they were excluding, they just wanted to test bikes similar to the old harleys that a "re-entering" rider would appreciate.
Hi everyone, i am planing to buy a Rebel 250 this year but being 6 ft tall and 260lb what do you think. Is it good bike for my size ?
Well, obviously it's wide open throttle at 85. I've seen them easily cruise for several hours at 65-70.
Those comments are mostly industry marketing. They don't want you to buy a $4000 ($1600-2200 used) bike and be satisfied. They want you to buy this, then a year later buy a $10,000 bike =$14,000 in revenue. The talking heads are pitchmen for the mfgs. They're just doing their job.
The Rebel is best all around for the shorter rider if they take it easy in the corners (pegs are low). The Nighthawk 250 is nearly the same mechanics (wish it had a front disk) but a taller posture. Both will drive you on country roads and in town well, literally forever. Too light and shakey for 70mph or to battle repeated truck wash. You want to ride for short touring fun on scenic roads, these the first two bikes or the Suzuki 250 cruiser are fine. The Heist is a China variant and a bit rough around the edges with 1930s tech.
1:14 "For me it was perfect because it was tight and small". That's what HE said.
I owned a Star 650 classic..... believe me these bikes are damn good...
650 v star classic 2002 was my first ever bike in 2019, I put 13,000 miles on it and still riding it, v stars are bullet proof, since then I've bought 2 1100cc v stars ones a classic and the others a custom, last bike I want to get now to complete the collection is a v star 250cc
"Royal Jordanian" is a famous British CZcamsr with 575,000 subscribers. He has like 9 bikes, including an s1000r BMW and a KTM1290. Tell him his 125cc grom small engine bike is a "beginner bike" I dare you.
I am 6' tall and 275 lbs and I feel very comfortable on my Rebel.
Thanks for the review guys. I liked the variety of bikes tht you tested & tht you used a female to give her perspective.
thank you ,you guys were very helpful.,im a first time rider,looking for somthing i haight to say it CHEEP an conffortable.
I like that Heist. Sharp looking little bobber.
I noticed her feet weren't flat on the ground? And the rebel's wheels & tires are taller, giving a slightly higher seat height that can be seen later in the video. The V Star also has more torque than the Rebel.
im 5'9, would the rebel or the v star be a better suit?
NO!
I rode a Rebel in my motorcycle safety class a few years back. It was ok, but I found it uncomfortable and quite unresponsive compared to the other enduro bikes in the class (I think they were yamaha tw-230). Regardless, I bought a used CBR 600 F3 for $2500 after getting my license and absolutely love it. My point is, if you want new and cheap look at these, but buying used can get you a bike that makes you happier.
VIRAGO VX 250 and here is why :
1. V-Twin engine - much better sound !
2. More Horsepower over Rebel (22Hp VS 16Hp Not gonna include that Heist piece of shit Chinese bike as serious brand)
3. Much more freedom for customization (can use Honda Rebel chocks to achive bobber style look)
4. Can modify sprockets to 17/38 and you can commute 65-75 mph on the highway easy in mid-rev range where it has most torque.
5. Dirty cheap parts and user-friendly maintenance.
6. Over 28 years of proven quality.
I had Honda Shadow 600 and I sold it 3 years ago.Later on I bought myself Virago XV 250 and I love it !
Has everything I need, accelerates well, light as bicycle, and fuel consumption is 94 miles per gallon.
"Not gonna include that Heist piece of shit Chinese bike as serious brand" Really? Why are you being so harsh on such an inexpensive motorcycle? Yes it's made in China, but the company who's sells them here get the profits. So who cares?
Who cares ? Hmmmm buyers mabye ? Anyone who values their own money and quality ?
By the way.....the bike is ridiculously expensive having in mind that it is Chinese.
Don't you agree that it would be fair for a company to tell it's buyers that bike is in fact Chinese instead to lie everyone that it is American , just like they lie on teir web site that they are "numerous record holders" ?
I actually Googled to find those self-proclaimed "numerous records" and found out they hold NONE.
just out of curiosity, how fast can you go with these bikes? can you speed up a bit on the highway?
you can go on the highway but dont expect to pass the speed limit hahaha
cherplzblowme
lets say i don't care passing the limit, if a wanted to do a long trip, if i take it to 90/100 km/h for a couple hours will ti be stressful on the bike? do i need a bigger one to suit my needs? (i've a small build and I'd prefer smaller bikes)
can any of you guys give me your opinion on the daelim daystar 250?
NO
@ Jack White. These are what one would call a cruiser bike. If you don't know what that is google it. This shootout is not a 250 cc crotch rocket review but rather 1 for the cruiser segment.
These are all 2012s?
Why have a 250 cruiser shootout and include a hardtail bobber? The obvious choice would have been the Suzuki GZ250.
The new CBR250s are very light and have a skinny design. It only uses 1-cyliner. My friend who recently bought a ninja250 chose it over the Honda because he said the cbr felt and sounded like a scooter...Depends on what type of style you like, sports bike or more relaxed and laid back like the rebel.
Originally was going to buy CCW's The Heist I love the bobber styling. I had a 81 Honda cb650c that crapped out on me, and I wanted a new bike. The problem I had with getting 250cc was my size and weight, I am 5'10" and 200lbs. So I started looking at getting something bigger i mean my 650 had a hard enough time with my size. I eventually was able to get a 2006 Sportster 1200c for about 1000 more than the heist. In the end I got a bike with a bigger v twin for a little more money.
I'm 5'8. Used to dirt bike a little, want to get my first bike (I have a car too), is the rebel too small? I like it because of the price and styling.
bought a honda v45 magna 750 cc loved the bike im thinking about buying a heist for the frame and rocking the engine and putting a old CB650 engine on it
The one thought I had though was that if I got the heist I was actual going to put a rebel motor on it. All it would take is a little bit of welding knowledge. The rebel motor is a better motor but the heist is a better looking bike.
My favorite Is... The V twin 🤔
But honestly 3 are badass! 😎
Would have been nice to know all of your height and inseam. Come on guys, specs are important on reviews.
no more cruuiser Honda rebel, it is totally changed in 2019
Id get a heist because its not a bike you are going to keep for years. ride it a season and move up. Look cool in the meanwhile. The Rebel HAS been around for decases. It came out in the early to mid 80's. My bud bought one for his wife and I even considered it but bought a used Honda CM450 instead. It just goes to show you how many different factors influence peoples purchases.
brasil precisa dessas motos mas a honda da para os coreanos fazer a festa nao entendo mesmo .
the rebel is refined.
it is definitely the most comfortable and ergonomic.
it is what Honda has been doing since forever.
I like the vstar better because i dont feel as cramped on it and it makes some noise unlike the rebel and the vstar goes alittle faster than the rebel. But i do like the chrome features on the rebel.
I Absolutely LOVE all 3 bikes but The Rebel is my favorite because it's so versital and almost indesctructbale, you can also pull the riders pad off and you have a bobber look, Also lets be honest The Heist, although a GREAT Bike, isn't a Beginner/Reentry bike, It's a commuter bike and a putting around the city and having fun, noone with any sense would buy a hard tail as a beginner bike, even a day 1 rider knows that. The V-Star is a Great bike also but for shorter riders they can be challenging. All 3 have great things about them but I'll take a Rebel over the VStar or Heist. They are very good bikes and like was mentioned by the narrator, they have been around forever with not many changes which mean if you drop it and dent the tank you can get another very easily.
put the original virago 250 handle bars on the v star (same bike different handlebars) and melisa wont even look sideways at the honda
Opinion on Tha Heist as a beginner's bike?
***** Its a built In CHINA bike. Thats no surprise
I like the Cleveland Cycleworks it got looks style and if you spend 20k more on a bobber its still rigid fram for that look.
test drove a heist... Parts fell off as I pulled out of the lot and the front break blew before the end leaking fluid all over the tire. Crappy Chinese QC
That sounds more like an assembly problem, which is done in the US.
Do not go Anywhere near Anything CCW makes .I owned one If you do you will be sorry
Sounds like you rode one of the good ones ;)
I'd buy a used bike before I'd even consider that Heist!
It looks like a bike. lol
I felt the exact same way until I had an opportunity to ride one with a few upgrades(high quality seat w/air bag connections)
A Mikuni carb upgrade.
So, I took it for a spin 6-7 mile run. It was awesome what can I say??
I was in shock at how much power that little motor put out. Normally a 1200 would be my choice but like I said, I was shocked. With upgrades the bike was 3245.67 taxes and all!! Some of the bike is made in China and the fit and finish/ electrical etc... are completed in the USA. The company is owned by a couple of Young guys from the US.
Before you poo poo the Heist, take one for a ride.
I would personally like the bike a whole lot more if they could find a decent V-twin instead of the Honda clone 250 they are using. It’s a very high quality clone and the same engine was used in actual Honda’s.
For the money it’s a good little bike to bomb around on. 👍🏻
I've heard the heist is not street legal in California... True?
I doubt that the Cleveland guys wanted to spend the extra millions of dollars to get their bikes certified for CA emissions standards. BTW, that Heist would not be street legal in PA with no front fender and the short rear fender. I see bikes running around like that every day but they will not legally pass PA safety inspection that way. Don't know about other states?
Didn't really give much info on how the three different engines performed. Single cyl, inline twin & a V-twin. Which one had the most torque or smoothest running?
Maybe better video of the sound each motorcycle puts out.
I like the use of an everyday person in your vids.
Melisa should be a regular on your reviews.
There is no such thing as a beginner bike.
Look for either the Lifan G25 (LF250 the VStar Clone or the Genesis QJ 250-3 which is the Rebel Clone. I own both. I just got the Genesis and haven't had to do anything yet but everything I have done to the Lifan I have used Yamaha parts. They are both about $2k USD cheaper than the Japan version.
The Suzuki gz250 would have made a better comparison over the heist. I still say the rebel owns the 250 category.
love love love the heist but love the v-twin sound of that v star ive rode a honda rebel didnt like it at all to small handle bars are a tad to close to the rider
hell i'm 6'3 with a 32" inseam so i've honestly been told to avoid 250's all together.. go for a 600 or an 800
Honda rebel or vstar 250? idk which one to buy
+TheColonelAngel
V-Star all the way !
Honestly, I drove the Honda For my MSF class and it is a great comfortable little bike.. Easy to learn on and super smooth.
+TheColonelAngel Whatever you buy or bought I hope it was used. You wont keep a 250 for more than one season. You will outgrow it fast. If you buy used you save a lot of money, wont be as upset when you dump it and when you sell it wont take much of a loss for "renting" it for a year.
V-star for the sound.
Rebel for the cheap parts and durability.
Neither of them will be fast but they will be good on gas and insurance.
Unfortunately, the Rebel and the V-Star are not avaiable in Brazil...
As my wife is looking for an entry level bike, I really appreciate "her" input. 😉
Why not Zoidberg?
It's 2023 and I heard there are 250cc clubs that go cross country. You don't NEED a big bike to ride, you just need to know how to ride.
I own a Heist and it is the worst bike ever created quality issues everywhere you look I spent more money than the bike is worth trying to correct these issues I finally decided to stop trying to polish a turd now the bike is used as a home decor item because I like the way it looks and that is all this bike is good for
yup
+Keefsstuff I hear about the Bad Quality of it!In a BIke Magazine, i read was an Article of a Test of it!They say it have Rust Problems. And when they Ride it, it always go out. When they disasamble the Carb, they found lots of Dirt and Metal Flakes in it!But i have to be honest, i like the look of the Bike! Cool and Simple!
+Lee78072 looks are all it has going for it ... enjoy
agreed
Could you actually give us the issues instead of just saying it had some?