Is That Glock? - Formula 1's WORST Conspiracy Theory
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2021
- Is that Glock? 3 words that will bring sadness to any Ferrari fan or Brazilian F1 fan. At the 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix we would witness one of the most insane title showdowns of all time. With rain, strategy, and emotions all coming together to produce something incredible. On the final lap of the race, at one of the final corners, Lewis Hamilton would overtake Toyota driver Timo Glock who was struggling on his dry tyres. What followed was Ferrari heartbreak, and conspiracy. Since then Timi Glock is still asked questions about the incident, and accused of purposely allowing Lewis to pass him. This is the story. Enjoy.
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Do a conspiracy on how kimi could have been a 2 time champ that season if ferrari didnt sabotage him because of the upcoming dropping for alonso and santander sponsorship
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"Is that Glock? Is that Glock going slowly?"
"IT IS!"
Is that Glock?
Oh C*CK!!!
Hamiltons won
Ohhh Fock!!!
THATS GLOCK OH MY GOODNESS ME HAMILTON IS BACK IN POSITION
A million...a hundred thousand local hearts sink in the grandstands!
Hamilton overtook Glock in the very last corner yet Glock finished 6 (!) seconds behind Lewis. That's how much he was struggling
Yeah. track conditions were getting so bad right before and during the last lap. For Europeans, it's hard to understand what a tropical rain can be like. Rain can stop in second, and then just some second again after that, it might be raining cats and dogs.
@@petouser Netherlands is just like that lol
@@abhishekpillai5207 yesss ahahah NL
Plus his lap time was apparently about 0.1 of a second difference to his teammate who'd also stayed on slicks, no way could they synchronise like that on purpose.
Well massa fans need someone to blame, sure massa deserved the championship but Lewis didn’t deserve it any less
Glock's tactic actually gained him places but you could see his grip was non-existent. But still it was him who gave Massa a shot at the title originally, not the person who took it away.
yeah had he pitted he wouldve come out behind lewis anyway and lewis wouldve still won the title. massa was just destined to not win it the second lewis made it safely through the start
'He has done all he needs to do'...
Even being a McLaren fan at that time, I felt like crying hard.
Well timo and Lewis were rivals in gp2, those Spanish journalists were blowing crack with Villeneuve.
XD
Yeah really XD
I love the "with Villeneuve" part
😂
I'm from Spain and the journalism situation here is just fucked up. Basically there is 0 objectivity in every area, sports, politics... And media companies and journalist just want the clicks and the sensationalism before the information, so it's sad, and kind of embarass me seeing journalists from my country saying such dumb and obvious false things 🤦
When I first heard this conspiracy I thought it was a joke. But some people seriously believe this appearently.
Yep 😳
Some people seriously believe that Lewis is nothing and don't deserve anything, that before he was born God had already asked Ron Denis to get him at McLaren the same year as the 2 time WDC and do everything to sabotage his car so Lewis will be the only rookie in he history of humanity to beat a 2 time WDC in the same car. They also believe that God also talk to Lewis to join mercedez a team that he God prepared very well to be champion in the entire Hybrid era. They also seriously believe that Rosberg, Button, Kovalonen and more importantly Botas do not deserve to ever been in F1. Some days they also really believe that Alonso is the greatest and Lewis is nothing compare to him and that Lewis is nothing in every way compare to Max..... We should just let them be....God is almighty in any way because he created all kind of unbelievable beings!!!
Guilty, as one on Massa's side.
@@hamadouotamsi4938 he is pretty overrated tho tbh
even if the “friend theory” was true, i dont think thats so bad, didn’t schumi let vettel through at brazil 2012 to help his championship?
Didnt exactly let him through but he never put up any defence from the overtake
@@zacktingey he did kinda let him through he stayed to the right and apparently audio wise you heard the revs drop from a minor lift
@@James200 i was never a fan back then thats kinda what i meant thanks for wording it better 😂👍🏼
I mean, yeah, but it's different. Seb finished sixth, scoring 8 points and finishing 3 points ahead of Fernando in the driver's championship. If he finished behind Schumi he would get 6 points-2 points less, which still gives him a 1 point lead over Alonso
@@James200 well he'd kinda overshot the corner keeping the car on track was what he had to do
I think a large part of this conspiracy stems from the fact that Hamilton has nearly always had a very vocal group of detractors, and there is this idea among his critics that he doesn't "deserve" the titles he's won
He deserves all but that one, Massa deserved it that year and Lewis had luck, the other titles are fully deserved.
By the same token, Hamilton "deserved" the title in 2007 and then Kimi did in 2005 and so on...
@@BauhauF glock staying out on dry tires was literally 'luck' for massa.
@@timotiusfabian5743 can't say that cause everything else could change because of butterfly effect
Nobody deserves to win the title apart from the guy who wins lol. The sport doesn't owe anyone a thing
I remember this race well. I really wanted Massa to win the title, but I knew he had to have a perfect race and Lewis needed bad luck. Massa had his perfect race, but Lewis did what he was supposed to do. I don't blame Timo and I never bought the conspiracy theories. Massa did everything right, but he can't control the outcome for anyone else's race.
just imagine if Horner and Dr. Helmut Marko were managing Ferrari and Massa at that time.. just imagine the rage and complaints !
Impossible, they're not Italian, lol.
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 what about Jean Todt?
@@simoneburini4036 the exception that proves the rule.
All trees around the world cut down for papers to file complaints
Love this series so much, keep it up, can’t wait
Thanks mate!
The fact that people think Glock let Hamilton by on purpose just shows how stupid F1 fans can be sometimes.
First of all, how was Glock meant to know from a distance that Hamilton was behind him? It could've been Kovalainen for all he knew. Also, if you're on dry tyres in wet weather, it's pretty obvious that you'd be slow and struggling for grip. He would've been overtaken regardless of who was behind him.
The drivers are told who is behind them and in front of them, so he knew Lewis was behind him
@@netzgee I hope you don't believe in this theory. You have to be special to still believe this absurd theory.
@@flintey360 Yeah I don’t believe this theory but i was letting him know that drivers know who is in front and who is behind them that’s all
@@netzgee still, he wouldn't have just let Lewis go through.
@@samhobbs6517 I know and i don’t believe any conspiracy theory, but i was letting you know drivers know who’s behind and in front
some fans still believe Timo let Lewis through on purposely, F1 themselves posted Timo's 2008 Brazelian GP onboard on the last lap, if you still think he let Lewis purposely. remember he was running on slicks in the rain he was sliding all over the place
here's the link to his onboard:czcams.com/video/fhH93grvh84/video.html
He was slower than a Safety Car, i think he could have been faster at least 10 seconds that lap if he was Senna
@@georgegurdjieffsgrandson9592 ???? he is constantly correcting the slides. he's on the absolute limit already. senna cant drive any quicker either.
@@no1washerezz HAHA cmon, yo Senna Is the Legend of wet
@@georgegurdjieffsgrandson9592 Not even Senna could have been 10 seconds faster than that
@@georgegurdjieffsgrandson9592 if u give mazepin a car with wet tyres and Verstappen a car with dry tyres no Matter how better Verstappen is, he Will be slower than Nikita if the track IS wet
Very good video mate. I can't believe this "theory" needs debunking, but a lot of people genuinely believe Glock slowed deliberately (when Toyota teammate Trulli's lap time on dry tyres on the wet track was almost identical), and still more believe that Hamilton was "lucky" and Massa was the "real Champion".
The reality is that Hamilton was almost ridiculously unlucky in Brazil for a second year in a row. A 30-second gearbox stall at Interlagos cost him the 2007 title, and dry tyres on a wet track almost-but-not-quite paying off for Glock nearly robbed him in the cruelest fashion once again in 2008.
#KingTimo
But as a result of that he has too much luck now lmao
@@evanyoon1230 nonsense. He was extremely unlucky in 2007, 2012 and 2016. He's never won a title because he was disproportionately lucky.
Like you say, it was just the fact that timo was having to go at a slower pace because of the tyres he was on and Hamilton just passed him. I’ve never understood any conspiracy surrounding this. Watching it live, I never recall thinking Hmm something fishy going on there. He just passed him due to being on the better tyre.
Did you hear the formula regional india is launched in India 🇮🇳 I think so it is a good base to bring back f1 into India and more Indian f1 drivers
I did! Exciting times ahead that’s for sure!
I hope there is formula regional Thailand
Can you do a video on this so I'll know more about it
Now that there's 2 track vacancies for the calendar...
@@sadlaw2799 would you watch it if I made a complete video?
Edit:- I'm a f1 content creator from India
Imagine going through the suffering of people hating you and sending death threats and hate mail because lewis overtook you for a title, and then imagine how it must be to be Lewis...
One other driver stayed out on dry tyres, Glock's teammate Trulli, and the two of them posted almost identical times on the final lap. Do the conspiracy theorists think this was choreographed? The whole thing is just ridiculous.
Exactly. If Glock and Trulli managed to choreograph getting the same time with dry tyres on a wet track, that would make them two of the greatest drivers of all time.
@@toggerz7487 now as a kid I quite rated Jarno Trulli but I'll never accuse him of being one of the GOATs 😄
I didn't know about "is that Glock" till a day or week later, when the you tube clips arrived. We asians have star sports coverage which didn't use UK f1 coverage until the 2010s. Steve Slater, Alex Yoong, yes, the f1 driver, Karun Chandok started there as well. So I was actually jumping for joy when Hamilton crossed the line, because there was no indication that it was Glock who he passed. Then the footage showed me the winner when the mechanic stopped the Massa celeb and Nicole was jumping out the pit lane. so #KingTimo i guess?
Btw, Timo Glock is really likeable, great guy. He is a pundit for Sky Germany and he is doing a very good job
I was 7 in 2008, remembered my dad smashed his mug because of this moment. He was frustrated 😅. Damn you Glock, I feel pity for Massa. He could have been a champion☹️
Hahaha what a story
Yeah I agree, Massa had such a long stint with Ferrari, this was suppose to be his moment of glory and it was taken away from him on the last turn. Also comparing that to the odds Raikkonen was facing a year earlier
Everyone asks "is that Glock? "
But no one asks "how is Glock? "
I’ll do one better: “why is Glock?”
@@Jabid21 When is Glock? Your Glock is not working.
The title was not lost at the Interlagos. It was lost when Ferrari messed up Felipe's pitstop in Malaysia (if I remember correctly) and the infamous Renault incident at Singapore IMO....
#KingTimo
Ferrari cocked Felipe's title chances in Singapore for sure, releasing him with hose secured to the fuel inlet.
While Renault chiefs' actions in SG 2008 were morally bankrupt, I still think Alonso won on merit. Funny he won the next round at Fuji without problems.
A similar feeling today. Is that Masi?
I remember watching this live, I'll never forget the look on Massa's dad's face, man it was painful to watch, one moment jubilation the next moment heartbreak 😢
All you have to do to disprove this stupid conspiracy is look at both Glock and Trulli's lap times while they were out on the wrong tyres for those final few laps. They're almost identical, and they were slowing down because they were on slicks in the fucking wet.
If you think this through,Timo was actually helping Massa.Becouse if he had pitted Hamilton would already be in front of him and he would have finished 5th despite Vettel overtaking him.
I am a new subscriber been watching for about an month now but damn your vids are bangers
Thanks mate! Welcome to the channel!
@@MadeByPerspective no thank you for making these awesome videos
All I have to say is Max now has a car capable of fighting for a championship, and almost no one is crying about how Max's success this year is because of his car, yet that is still the number 1 complaint about Lewis.
I can't help but also notice that, great car + good driver wasn't levied against Jenson Button or Kimi, or even Nico Rosberg in 2016, but appears every year, and nearly every race for Lewis. It's almost as if something about Lewis is innately different from them, off track but still race related and I'm not talking about pole position...
Exactly, I think you also forgot schumacher having a dominant car during his time at ferrari or vettel at redbull and not only that but lewis always gets a disproportionate amount of outrage directed at him, take for example the crash at Silverstone involving max, max btw routinely leaves his racing line to shove people of the track and barely any mention of it in f1 circles and the only time f1 "fans" talk about it is as joke like "haha max crashes a lot lol" meanwhile the one time Lewis left his line while defending in an albeit ill advised attempt to force verstappen wide which led to a crash he got so much hate for it, so much racist abuse, I even saw some people wishing him death, the mods on the f1 subreddit were working overtime for days to scrub all the hate comments off the subreddit.
And remember the crash involving George Russel and Valterri Bottas where Russel got out of his car, walked up to Bottas, who's still in his broken up car and hit him on the head and then walked away, a day later and no one was even talking about it, just imagine of Lewis had done what Russel did, oh boy there'd be a shit storm of epic proportions.
Same disproportionate outrage when it comes to team orders, redbull uses team orders that favor Max over Sergio but you never hear anything about it, but the moment Mercedes uses teams orders that favors Lews over vatlteri all of a sudden they now hate team orders.
When Redbull literally forced Checo to take a pitstop he didn't need in order to get him on softs and snatch the fastest lap from Hamilton, these same "fans" were happy redbull did this even though it completely ruined checo's chances of scoring any points other than the one he scored via fastest lap just imagine if Mercedes did this, you'd see a lot of these so called fans coming out again crying crocodile tears about poor valterri.
It's sickening what's going on here and I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticing it.
@@pr3cious193 well I think after what Piquet said I think we all know what that "going on" is.
If you actually go through even his early F1 career, you'll notice that he has been getting verbal abuse and subtle racism even during his rookie season in 2007. There were reports of a group of Spanish journalists that had made a website specifically dedicated to posting hit pieces about Lewis. The website quickly devolved into racial slurs and abusive language and was taken down after a while. Then in 2008 we got that bunch of Spanish fans wearing blackface during pre-season testing. After that McLaren began to lose their grip on both Championships as their cars started becoming less and less competitive, but Lewis kept getting criticism like "he doesn't know how to race properly" and the "best car" argument you posited. At the end of 2012, when he announced that he was moving to Mercedes, people ridiculed him for it. Just look at the reactions to that announcement on r/formula1. Then came the Mercedes dominance and Formula 1 beginning to appeal more towards social media, and the criticism began to go online.
These criticisms are not made in good faith. These are dogwhistles that refer to all sorts of stereotypes about people of colour (and especially those of African descent) and it's getting harder and harder for me, and hopefully more and more people, to ignore.
We need to realise that the Civil Rights movement is a very recent phenomenon in human history. For thousands of years humanity has accepted discrimination of other groups based on arbitrary characteristics (race, religion, sexuality, etc.) as simply a part of life. It has been less than a century since fascist ideologies that had racist beliefs as a basis for their ideology ravaged the world and committed such grave crimes like the Holocaust and Babi Yar. Segregation and Jim Crow laws in the United States weren't repealed until 1964. For context, the first artificial satellite, now so important to telecommunications, was launched in 1957, *7 years prior*. It's sad but should not be that surprising that some remain averse to racial equality and some still have warped perceptions on how certain ethnic groups should act or behave.
This sport does not owe anyone anything. Who wins, wins. All we can do is celebrate the fierce battles, the driving and will of each driver and move on.
hey perspective i like ur vids, keep it up man
Thanks for watching!
I really like this serie, with the mysterious music and the tinfoil hat ambiance. This one was great cause it was more a "debunk" video than the others "let's invent conspiracies".
But I see how people could see this, the tifosi and the brazilians were devastated when he lost so close to the title. And as you mentioned, there also was a _real_ conspiracy in 2008 with Renault. Then there was the one with McLaren photocopies, the "???" engine settlement with Ferrari in 2020.. So it kinda makes sense in a way !
Keep up the good work !
I swear that both Toyota cars had dry tires on at the time but only Glock gets mentioned in regards to this. Imagine being at a circuit like Interlagos driving on a wet track with those tires, especially when Lewis is great in the rain. Great series, any chance of a Multi 21 conspiracy vid?
As a Brazilian that lives on rio de janeiro, I've felt honored for you(and a lot of others qualified F1 channels over youtube by saying that interlagos is one of the best tracks of the calendar.
It is! Overtaking opportunities, unpredictable weather and nice fast and flowing track.
Can we start a gofundme to pay Disney and 20th Century Fox a royalty payment to allow Perspective to play the X Files theme tune in these videos?
Yes...
How’s about mclaren throwing the 2007 drivers title in the last 2 races to stay in the sport after the spygate incident with Ferrari?
Interesting when you look into it
Nice video 👌
No conspiracy. I'm Brazilian and I was 14 when this happened... I still feel a lot, especially for Massa. But it is what it is, and it was one of the greatest Gran Prix I've watched
I feel like we’ll never get a finale like 2008 again
Never say never!
Espesialy when the battle between Max and lewis are going crazy each race
2012 was pretty bonkers… minus the plot twist of course
Saving this video to come back after Abu Dhabi
Welp. Here we are
I think this videos debunks the theory with the simple line “dry tyres on a wet track”. The rain was doming down quite hard by the end of the final lap.
I want to say conspiracy. But the fact his self and Trulli were producing almost identical lap times towards the end of the GP does say differently :/
And the fact that they were on dry tires on a wet track😅
@@luttren pfffft the track was damp at best. ;)
Towards the end, the track got wetter and wetter, look at his onboard and see for youself
@@danieldoel6216 it was a joke, I know it was wet. I saw it live.
The biggest mystery is why is this channel soooooo underrated!!!!?????
For me, the sus part was that the day after the "incident", all his websites and blogs were deleted and blocked on the internet (there was no socials back then).
What makes it sus is that it happens in the final corner of the final lap, but that's just a coincidence, but if it was a British driver that would've lrt him by, it would have been an whole different story
No social media in 2008?
Lol cmon guy. Stop buying into the bullshit
As a Brazilian, when I head " is that Glock going slow?" I went from pure euphoria to deep sadness
It's just one of those theories that if you spend 1 minute thinking about, it falls apart on it's own
IS THAT LATIFI?!
Good vid mate. I Don’t normally comment but I liked this content.
Thanks mate!
What's the conspiracy supposed to be? That on the last lap, McLaren-Mercedes ran over to Toyota (a manufacturer who aren't McLaren or Mercedes) and told them to tell Glock to slow down and let Lewis through? For what motive exactly? Did anyone see anyone from McLaren run over to Toyota? Seems a bit specific for this to be a pre agreed agreement between McLaren and Toyota. Even in this delusion why would Toyota prefer McLaren over Ferrari? Even then wouldn't they have had to communicate this to Glock? Additionally, didn't Glock and Trulli both do 1:44's being the only cars on track with dry tyres still on?
To me it was never a conspiracy, just a heartbreak moment. You're driving on (probably) worn tyres on a slippery circuit with everyone else having the right tyre - of course you're going to struggle.
The only argument I sort of _can_ make for this whole situation is him going slower with Traction Control. This would compare Massa and Kubica's fight at Fuji 2007 and here, showing Massa and Kubica could drive very nicely and stay on the track thanks to TC. However, as is obvious, *they all had full wets on and Glock didn't.*
Good video! I guess you could also one day make a conspiracy about Schumacher's incident in Japan 1999 with him stalling and then getting a mysterious puncture which gave Häkkinen his second drivers title sometime in the future. That is a strange accident to just happen in my eyes, even today.
Cheers!
They didn't have traction control in 2008, it was outlawed after '07.
Ron Dennis was at the rear of the toyota pits with a cheque book and one question, "what will it take". Boom there it is.
Why were the pits blocked for people to come in and change tyres?
Such an underrated youtuber
I believe Jarno Trulli was also finished the Race on Dry Tyres and he was even slower than Glock during the last laps.
Although, That being the case with Trulli didn't affect anything though so didn't matter much
@@PLANDerLinde99 lol you’re not understanding what his point was
I did even see it live but "is that glock" fills me with dread
dry tires on a wet track sound familiar....Rubens Baricello did it aswell but he won the race :) on dry tires on a wet track
I love the Buzzfeed Unsolved cadence
More Conspiracy videos please.
Definitely
As a Brazilian this still hurt! 2008 in general hurts, but that dawas an incredible Championship and Race!
Why was he even going slow which is what caused the is that glock line to be born why the f would Mercedes think A TOYOTA WOULD BE IN 5TH THEY PROBABLY THOUGHT HE BE BATTLING THE SUPER AGURIS
you have to do the video on the 2007 chinese and brazilian grand prix, it would be awesome
That's an even more retarded theory than this one. Definitely yes!
so..... Conspiracy causes Lewis to win his first championship, with death threats to the person who "caused" it..... *2021 Abu Dhabi has entered the chat*
As much as I feel bad for Massa. I feel more bad for Timo Glock after watching this. This was really the stupidest conspiracy theory. It was obvious he was struggling with the Dry tyres on a wet track and they bombarded him with those kinds of questions.
karma hits in 2021
Bruh 2021 is not even close
It was given to max
People don’t seem to understand that no matter what happened, Lewis would have ended up in front of timo. Even if he pitted for wets like everyone else, he’d come out behind hamilton anyway which would still make lewis wdc. Ironically the way it actually played out was the most difficult possible outcome for hamilton to face in order to get the championship, and although it was close, it arguably wasn’t difficult to pass him
I know Timo personally 😌
Forget to mention this was the 1st season since 2007 with no traction control
So it was or wasn’t block going slowly
What about what happened in the 2007 final race. Very suspicious
I seriously thought this would be a video about Lewis carrying a firearm into the race
Message came through to timo glocks garage on the second last lap that some goons in Stevenage had glocks parents held up…….
Do you really need that long of a title card screen? it went on for so long I thought I got an ad
2012 is the best drivers showdown at Brazil
that year was mad but it’s prolly up there with germany 2018 as the most heartbreaking moments in modern f1
Watch the last lap from glock’s pov; he’s barely keeping the car on the track. Can’t see how he could go faster and would be impressed if he’s working out the numbers and placings in his head while trying to control the car!
You should do a conspiracy about the Abu Dubai gp👌
2008, first of 15 years to date without a Ferrari WDC, longest drought since 1979-2000
I read the title as 'Is that *a* Glock?' and was expecting some people to be accusing Hamilton of having a glock pistol in his car with him. God dammit, I thought I wasn't one of *those* Americans 😔
Correction, that Ferrari mechanic yeeted himself headfirst into a wall.
Looking for to see 2021 Abu Dhabi gp as a conspiracy theory in a few years.
2008: Is that Glock?
2021: No micheal no, this is so not right.
Cool beanie dude
Thanks king 👑
Timo Glock probably received quite a fair bit of Italian salt
what do you think of the 2007 conspiracy?
I'm sure many will be watching this today
Video request: What if daniil kvyat never kicked out of red bull
Honestly. The real conspiracy is Brazil 2007. Hamilton’s gearbox failure is still somewhat a mystery today. Paddy Lowe in an interview said that a bit of debris got caught in a filter causing the gearbox failure, and that the failure solved itself after about 20 seconds when whatever it was stopped blocking the filter.
That however wouldn’t explain why McLaren were so incredibly secretive about the whole thing. Neither them nor Hamilton have properly addressed what happened which as led to deeper conspiracies. Supposedly McLaren hurt Hamilton’s race on purpose to hand the title to Ferrari in an deal to avoid repercussions for spygate.
Not saying any of this is real though. It seems to me that Kimi won the title fair and I wouldn’t argue otherwise be as the evidence we know of doesn’t support it.
Timo Glock has probably the worst kind of fame in F1. Being known for getting overtaken once. A bit like Ricardo Zonta...or Nico Hulkenberg...or Nick Heidfeld. I realise there are a lot of german drivers failing to have success in F1.
Felipe is my boy but the rain getting heavier at the wrong time is what made Timo struggle with those dry tires in that last lap so as much as it heartbreaks me, Timo really didn’t do anything wrong #KingTimo
And P.S I might as well just blame Crashgate as the reason why Felipe lost that title because he was leading when Renault put their race fixing strategy in place
who knew almost the same thing will happen with Latifi in 2021
do one on ricciardo's 7 dnf season
#KINGTIMO
Kyle monster energy 😂 that is what gave Lewis the monster sponsored
I thought this is a Joke but people still think it was fixed
Glock would have lost 20ish seconds had he pitted and would be behind Hamilton again, end of the story.
Watch Glock's onboard video to see how much he was struggling.
No friends on track we all know
But is that Latifi tho?
It wouldn't be F1 without the crazy conspiracy theories.
*until 2021...
Felipe still has that championship in my books ❤️
no
@@area51alien29 3 like from LULU fans
Some fans will look for a conspiracy anywhere.... People say Glock cost Massa the championship, but I posit that it was Massa's back-to-back retirements in Australia and Malaysia.