My 13 year old son accidentally set the combination of his "Amazer" brand lock to something he didn't know and locked his front wheel to his bike with it. It looks almost identical to this Lumintrail lock. Thanks to this video, we had a fun time making a decoder tool and successfully found the combination! Too bad there's no boy scouts merit badge in lock picking! Thanks for the great video!!
@@ismailbreiwish172 I know this is old and you probably found some kind of solution already but the Amazer U-lock (www.amazon.com/Amazer-Heavy-Combination-Bicycle-Theft/dp/B01I9X9WNU) seems to be just another branding of the lock in the video, so the exact method from the video should be applicable.
The forgot my bastarding combination badge, with a picture of a sore thumb on it. What do you think his first two words were when he realized he locked it shut.
5-5-21 Man, that lock is pretty good in the combination lock. It guards against shimming attacks, the codewheels don't bind against anything when pressing the open button or pulling the shackle, the codewheels are inaccessible because of its position, and it made LPL create a new tool. That is one of the best locks in one of the worst bodies. Like the Master Lock LOTO Lock.
Solid decoding resistance, suspected to be susceptible to brute force and temperature attack. If they'd remake this lock with sturdier materials, I imagine it'd be one of the tougher bike locks on the market.
More and more as I get into lock picking, I’m finding that a bit of knowledge about the lock your working on is the difference between long periods of frustration and fun times picking challenging, (for my skill level), locks. Thanks for the vid.
Keep these vids coming. You have been an invaluable source of information and training as I have started my own bike selling business. Anyone need a new bike? The prices are cheap but the bikes are super expensive. Cash only. Thanks LockPickingLawyer!
Well, the number-one problem with that lock is that it's so easy to reset the combination. You can easily imagine locking your bike, scrambling the digits and then finding that the little lever had been moved and you've just set the combination to some random number that you don't know.
Very enjoyable to watch, great video covering a lot of decoding topics. I had a Tokoz padlock where I use the same trick. Probably not something used by criminals but a very fancy (indirect) method of attack.
Sounds like this would be a great lock for use in a location where destructive entry is impractical. Though a stronger lock body would certainly be a welcome improvement to make this a much better all-rounder.
Thank you LockPickingLawyer! Good job on cracking the combo, I would have never thought of making a custom tool to crack it. Love watching your videos. Thank you for taking time out to show your skills and sharing with everyone the vulnerabilities of locks. Oh, and you are welcome for the lock. Name is Tim, not Ted. :-) ha ha no problem, I appreciate taking on the challenge. It was all worth it and can't want for the follow up video.
I also own this lock but, mine is branded "Amazer" (pretty sure it is identical, purchased from Amazon)...Anxiously awaiting part 2 to see how soon I need to upgrade. I use it with the braided steel cable to secure the rear tire and seat post on my bike. I do also have an Abus Granit 37/60 padlock in conjunction with the Abus 12mm chain as a primary locking method. Figure the combination of the U-lock, padlock, chain and steel cable is deterrent enough to make would-be thieves "pass" on my bike.
I hope we are all disappointed when it comes to you using brute force and it takes a Hell of a beating before you finally defeat it. It looks like a real POS but obviously someone took some care to make the combo difficult to decipher so it’s gonna be a shame when an idiot with a brick can easily smash it with one half hearted wack.
the straight steel springs inside of cheap windshield wiper blades are some of the BEST pick-making materials out there. I've made my own for many years out of them. Just be careful extracting them, they can spring out under tension and spear you if you are not careful.
LPL ability and experience appart, I reafirm in my opinion that thieves never pick locks, just cut them and as fast as possible so my only concern is the hardness and diameter ot the shackle and if the body is made out of zinc instead hard steel that too. Of course LPL knows that "is probably not going to be able to manipulate this open. Certainly not out in the field". That's a perfect summary of all the video. Greetings from Spain.
Masterful as always. I doubt anyone makes seven figures in the lock security consultancy world, but if I had a lock company that's what I'd be willing to pay - or more even - to have you on my side. Even in spy novels they're not that good, and those are fiction!
When someone invents a new lock, don't they have to get a patent to protect their design? If they do, are you able to look at patents or is it up to the patent holder, and the patents used in court to prove who first came up with the design? Thanks
Hi Man! I was very impressed by your picking, screwing, cutting locks video. I have bought a bicycle which cost me about 500$ and now I thinking about good lock priced about 50-60 $ that will help me to avoid my bike been stolen. So what is your advice for me? Besides, not to leave my bike anywhere without attention, and my eye on it.... I understood this moment, but I still want to choose some good lock, prefer maybe U-lock. And as an additional measure, I will paint my bike in specific colors...
We have something similar which is really useful when used on French doors. Used (on inside of house) to go between both handles stops doors from opening outwards more than an inch should the euro barrel get snapped buy a crim
can the switch be pushed into the B position without entering the correct combination? if no, did you try using it to decode the lock? if so, does it affect anything else?
I just ordered this lock...Im fairly confident that so most if not all thieves will not be able to discern the combination in the field so to speak...however have you done a brute force attack on this yet to see how it faired?..
That cover flap may encourage user error. If you have your hand behind the lock, it's easy enough to push the release button. But if the user decides to reach from the front, the flap is awkward and gets in the way. The user may then decide to close the flap before pressing the release. Now the flap is closed, and the correct combination is already dialed in. The user will have to remember to open the flap and scramble the dials before leaving their bike unattended. It's probably pretty rare, but an opportunistic bike thief could simply walk up and press the release button to see if the lock opens. It's quick and doesn't draw much attention, like checking a pay phone's coin return slot for free money.
I have noticed that there are many inexpensive combination U locks that are just about the same exact build with minor changes in the plastic, slightly different shackles, one without a cover for the combination but all with different brand names on them. I have one by Titanker that is exactly the same except for my shackle is actually 16mm though it does shrink down to 12mm where it enters the body of the lock. Also mine was decodeable by sound though when tried on my friend's lock of the same brand I was not able to. maybe mine was just worse than others??? other clones of this lock sell under the name lumintrail of course, Amazer, Ushake, Abrafox, BV Bike, N N.ORANIE, RockyMounts Shackleton (has the 18mm shackle too), Mioni & Junway (both have XL shackles), and Outerdo (looks the exact same but with 5 digits)?
Cable locks are usually terrible, pair of mole grips and a hacksaw and it's a garanteed win. 15 years of working in a bike shop, and people with bikes with lost keys talking. The D-lock would probably fail with a minute of two of hammertime.
Sounds like if the metal was switched to steel for the locking part and the shackle diameter increased, it might be a decent lock. Would be nice to hear a recommendation at the end of each video on how to improve the lock if you think it's a decent effort by the manufacturers.
There is a even bigger version with 15mm hardened steel core and 5 number dial. That should be sturdy and a pain in the ass for any thief, UNLESS the locking body is also zinc alloy or some other garbage. The specs do not say what it is made from.
Would you be willing to do a 5 number combination lock of this same brand. The layout inside the 5 number lock seems to be completely different than this lock.
I have an Ethopia combination Ulock. After it was jammed and could not open, and I reset the code by accident. It is slightly different than Lumintrail as there is no push button, and the combination can be seen on both the front and backside. The solution did not work and I am unable to figure the combination.
Hi, LPL. Did you consider using the combination reset switch in decoding this? It's looking pretty exposed, and I'm not sure if it can be used to tension the wheels like you did with your custom hook.
Scary, I use this one on my ebike as a supplemental with gps tracking and always in sight for short curbside sessions. I just don’t want to break out the heavy chains for 1 hr eating and beers.
@LockPickingLawyer for a variety of reasons would like "the best" (maybe not perfect - but best) combination lock for my bike. One of the biggest reasons is don't want to carry keys wile on the ocean kitesurfing, sup, etc. So difficult to find details about bike COMBINATION locks. TONS of vid's about KEY based locks.
Picking locks looks kind of relaxing. I know, sounds odd. Can you recommend a a quality\cheap-ish lock picking set on Amazon? It looks challenging yet relaxing. Thanks LPL
I got into it from Bosnian Bill. Made my first pick out of hacksaw blade. If you're not looking for so much DIY, I would recommend the Dangerfield Praxis kit or the Sparrows Tuxedo. However, every single person is going to have a different opinion. Watch some pick reviews and make up your own mind.
I use this rig just to go into the store quick or grab a beer when my bike is within eyesight. I would never use it in a long term or overnight situation. You don’t always want to carry the big heavy gear for in and out situation. Just my opinion.
I forgot to remove my lock one day and rode off to a crunch and trail of debris. Comstar (5 blade) rear wheel killed it --- a wire spoked wheel might not have fared so well.
After watching these videos, I trashed all Master Lock and Chinese padlocks, all cables, all home-store chains, and a Bell U-lock. Replaced with Kryptonite New York U lock, Pewag chains from Austria, and Abus padlocks from Germany--Gott sei Dank! My guess is that the Lumintrail will soon be known as the LuminFAIL.
I finally caved and bought a lock pic set. Very looked down on in ohio so cant take it out of my house after i get them 😑 kind of wanna practice on locks on my hr lunches at work in my car
the switch seems terribly unsafe to me if someone were to change the combination and then forgot to flip it or probably more likely flip it by accident while handling the lock and then the lock wouldnt really lock would it
I was looking for a bike lock, and found this in my garage. I ended up changing the combination to something completely random. That's one lock down the drain.
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I am consistently impressed with your skills. My Lawyer wife did not get any lock picking skills in law school. I asked.
I hope that's your actual name. Its wonderful.
Ahhahahahah nice
He's self-taught
@@ShadeStarMC mate it's a joke
The last time I hired a lawyer, he did a great job picking my wallet
My 13 year old son accidentally set the combination of his "Amazer" brand lock to something he didn't know and locked his front wheel to his bike with it. It looks almost identical to this Lumintrail lock. Thanks to this video, we had a fun time making a decoder tool and successfully found the combination! Too bad there's no boy scouts merit badge in lock picking! Thanks for the great video!!
Hey Carl, I have the same exact lock and the same exact problem, how did you end up making a decoder tool?
@@ismailbreiwish172 I know this is old and you probably found some kind of solution already but the Amazer U-lock (www.amazon.com/Amazer-Heavy-Combination-Bicycle-Theft/dp/B01I9X9WNU) seems to be just another branding of the lock in the video, so the exact method from the video should be applicable.
The forgot my bastarding combination badge, with a picture of a sore thumb on it.
What do you think his first two words were when he realized he locked it shut.
o ckg
Carl Fischer WHOLESOME
I know nothing about lock picking but this is one of my favorite channels.
SpecialOrder you’ll pick it up! BosnianBill and LockNoob are good as well, try them out if you have a moment.
You will soon, if you continue to watch ;-)
Ikr
@@WineScrounger heh, you'll 'pick' it up
@@WineScrounger ... was that a pun?! 😂😂😂
So, for once, being a combination lock is not a huge security flaw. Nice!
I mean... as long as you aren't in a rush you are guaranteed to be able to open any combination lock without any skill.
@@rakuengrowlithe4654 only 10,000 combinations
@@rakuengrowlithe4654 Like seen in this video this is not a case.
5-5-21
Man, that lock is pretty good in the combination lock. It guards against shimming attacks, the codewheels don't bind against anything when pressing the open button or pulling the shackle, the codewheels are inaccessible because of its position, and it made LPL create a new tool. That is one of the best locks in one of the worst bodies. Like the Master Lock LOTO Lock.
So essentially the biggest improvement to it would be to make it out of a stronger metal.
Solid decoding resistance, suspected to be susceptible to brute force and temperature attack. If they'd remake this lock with sturdier materials, I imagine it'd be one of the tougher bike locks on the market.
I think we can safely say that you are AWESOME.
Best lock picking lawyer in the world,I think its safe to assume that :)
The epitome of elegance in your solution. As always it's a joy to watch you work. Thanks for the video.
More and more as I get into lock picking, I’m finding that a bit of knowledge about the lock your working on is the difference between long periods of frustration and fun times picking challenging, (for my skill level), locks. Thanks for the vid.
I had to get into a lost-combo suitcase this week, it was nice to know how to decode it. I used a thin pick, and it worked a treat. Most satisfying.
Absolutely brilliant. Well done. Not a bad stock lock but have low hopes for brute fores attack
Man. Hat's OFF. Thank you for including your process of elimination, it was very educational and something I've wondered about.
That was awesome brother. Very cool watching the process you use to decode this lock. Thanks for the review!
Keep these vids coming. You have been an invaluable source of information and training as I have started my own bike selling business. Anyone need a new bike? The prices are cheap but the bikes are super expensive. Cash only. Thanks LockPickingLawyer!
Man,thanks for the "making your own picks" section of the video,since I make my own picks ,this was precious info!!
Great job on the decoding. You should do more vids on tool making.
Well, the number-one problem with that lock is that it's so easy to reset the combination. You can easily imagine locking your bike, scrambling the digits and then finding that the little lever had been moved and you've just set the combination to some random number that you don't know.
Yep just happened
LPLs content is so good he doesnt even need a video description
I'm sorry to Tedd from Florida, he just exposed how to open your lock to the entire internet😂
Very enjoyable to watch, great video covering a lot of decoding topics. I had a Tokoz padlock where I use the same trick. Probably not something used by criminals but a very fancy (indirect) method of attack.
Is there a video? I love seeing unique stuff!
Oh yes, here it is czcams.com/video/m9eJ9jmkPbA/video.html
Always enjoyable watching your skills, thank you.
Sounds like this would be a great lock for use in a location where destructive entry is impractical. Though a stronger lock body would certainly be a welcome improvement to make this a much better all-rounder.
Thank you LockPickingLawyer! Good job on cracking the combo, I would have never thought of making a custom tool to crack it. Love watching your videos. Thank you for taking time out to show your skills and sharing with everyone the vulnerabilities of locks. Oh, and you are welcome for the lock. Name is Tim, not Ted. :-) ha ha no problem, I appreciate taking on the challenge. It was all worth it and can't want for the follow up video.
Sorry about the name mix up. 😳
No problem. I really appreciate taking the time to bust this lock.
Sir I am totally impressed by your videos I watch it only for entertainment not to do anything else 😍😍😍
I also own this lock but, mine is branded "Amazer" (pretty sure it is identical, purchased from Amazon)...Anxiously awaiting part 2 to see how soon I need to upgrade. I use it with the braided steel cable to secure the rear tire and seat post on my bike.
I do also have an Abus Granit 37/60 padlock in conjunction with the Abus 12mm chain as a primary locking method. Figure the combination of the U-lock, padlock, chain and steel cable is deterrent enough to make would-be thieves "pass" on my bike.
Yup, there’s probably about ten different brands using this lock. I hope you saw the new video (632) because it’s poorly constructed.
Hi ...... keep making the videos , love watching them Cheers
First lock ive seen on this channel that I’d buy
Pretty good lock!!
Awesome video!
I hope we are all disappointed when it comes to you using brute force and it takes a Hell of a beating before you finally defeat it. It looks like a real POS but obviously someone took some care to make the combo difficult to decipher so it’s gonna be a shame when an idiot with a brick can easily smash it with one half hearted wack.
Ya, I think some engineer spent some real time designing it and then someone in accounting/corporate said how cheaply can we make it?
I use this on the inside of french doors, fits nicely around the handles
the straight steel springs inside of cheap windshield wiper blades are some of the BEST pick-making materials out there. I've made my own for many years out of them. Just be careful extracting them, they can spring out under tension and spear you if you are not careful.
Hey LPL, what pick & tension set would you recommend for beginners?
That was impressive!
Totally wicked!!!! I’m glad you’re on our side. That was truly brilliant.
That was absolutely insane
I hava funny feeling this lock is getting turned into a molten glob before it's first birthday. Still, another informative great video!!!
LPL ability and experience appart, I reafirm in my opinion that thieves never pick locks, just cut them and as fast as possible so my only concern is the hardness and diameter ot the shackle and if the body is made out of zinc instead hard steel that too.
Of course LPL knows that "is probably not going to be able to manipulate this open. Certainly not out in the field". That's a perfect summary of all the video.
Greetings from Spain.
So, for a dial code lock it's pretty good. Well, at least the code wheel part.
Got me. I thought you'd stick in and up like the realtor locks
Masterful as always. I doubt anyone makes seven figures in the lock security consultancy world, but if I had a lock company that's what I'd be willing to pay - or more even - to have you on my side.
Even in spy novels they're not that good, and those are fiction!
When someone invents a new lock, don't they have to get a patent to protect their design? If they do, are you able to look at patents or is it up to the patent holder, and the patents used in court to prove who first came up with the design? Thanks
Hi Man! I was very impressed by your picking, screwing, cutting locks video. I have bought a bicycle which cost me about 500$ and now I thinking about good lock priced about 50-60 $ that will help me to avoid my bike been stolen. So what is your advice for me? Besides, not to leave my bike anywhere without attention, and my eye on it.... I understood this moment, but I still want to choose some good lock, prefer maybe U-lock. And as an additional measure, I will paint my bike in specific colors...
Wow... 😳 You make it look really easy! I wonder if you can decode the Onguard Bulldog Combo DT-8012C Combo Shackle Lock 😏
Ted in Florida didn't actually have a bike before this video, but now he does. he sent you the same lock that his neighbor uses!
Holy crap a compliment they must have wriggled like puppy's when they heard that lol
I like that sigh at the beginning
How are you assessing it's a zinc unit by visual inspection? Sure brass or copper can be assessed based on colour but zinc ?
I also know little of lock picking, I am a brute force type of guy, but I watch to relax. Sort of like Mr. Rogers picking locks. lol
We have something similar which is really useful when used on French doors. Used (on inside of house) to go between both handles stops doors from opening outwards more than an inch should the euro barrel get snapped buy a crim
Great video...
Thanks.
Thanks, my new bike had this lock on it. Thanks to this video I was able to get it.
Lmao
Nice job and video
You are a genius.
You made a micro slim jim!
can the switch be pushed into the B position without entering the correct combination? if no, did you try using it to decode the lock? if so, does it affect anything else?
I just ordered this lock...Im fairly confident that so most if not all thieves will not be able to discern the combination in the field so to speak...however have you done a brute force attack on this yet to see how it faired?..
Thank you 🙏
That cover flap may encourage user error. If you have your hand behind the lock, it's easy enough to push the release button. But if the user decides to reach from the front, the flap is awkward and gets in the way. The user may then decide to close the flap before pressing the release. Now the flap is closed, and the correct combination is already dialed in. The user will have to remember to open the flap and scramble the dials before leaving their bike unattended.
It's probably pretty rare, but an opportunistic bike thief could simply walk up and press the release button to see if the lock opens. It's quick and doesn't draw much attention, like checking a pay phone's coin return slot for free money.
so you are able to change a combination while the lock is locked? that's so evil... or do you have to set the right combo first?
I have noticed that there are many inexpensive combination U locks that are just about the same exact build with minor changes in the plastic, slightly different shackles, one without a cover for the combination but all with different brand names on them. I have one by Titanker that is exactly the same except for my shackle is actually 16mm though it does shrink down to 12mm where it enters the body of the lock. Also mine was decodeable by sound though when tried on my friend's lock of the same brand I was not able to. maybe mine was just worse than others??? other clones of this lock sell under the name lumintrail of course, Amazer, Ushake, Abrafox, BV Bike, N N.ORANIE, RockyMounts Shackleton (has the 18mm shackle too), Mioni & Junway (both have XL shackles), and Outerdo (looks the exact same but with 5 digits)?
The tool you made can be bought under the name sesame decoder if anyone wants one.
Commonly known as a spudger.
Cable locks are usually terrible, pair of mole grips and a hacksaw and it's a garanteed win.
15 years of working in a bike shop, and people with bikes with lost keys talking.
The D-lock would probably fail with a minute of two of hammertime.
try the pinhead lock, bosnian bill failed with that one. after loosing my bike several times i am looking for ultimate security in locks
Sounds like if the metal was switched to steel for the locking part and the shackle diameter increased, it might be a decent lock.
Would be nice to hear a recommendation at the end of each video on how to improve the lock if you think it's a decent effort by the manufacturers.
There is a even bigger version with 15mm hardened steel core and 5 number dial. That should be sturdy and a pain in the ass for any thief, UNLESS the locking body is also zinc alloy or some other garbage. The specs do not say what it is made from.
Would you be willing to do a 5 number combination lock of this same brand. The layout inside the 5 number lock seems to be completely different than this lock.
How long did it take from looking at it to decoding it
I have an Ethopia combination Ulock. After it was jammed and could not open, and I reset the code by accident. It is slightly different than Lumintrail as there is no push button, and the combination can be seen on both the front and backside. The solution did not work and I am unable to figure the combination.
Hi, LPL.
Did you consider using the combination reset switch in decoding this? It's looking pretty exposed, and I'm not sure if it can be used to tension the wheels like you did with your custom hook.
I have the same lock and used the reset switch for tension. Worked perfectly. Thanks for the video!
Scary, I use this one on my ebike as a supplemental with gps tracking and always in sight for short curbside sessions. I just don’t want to break out the heavy chains for 1 hr eating and beers.
Can you try OnGuard's combination lock?
@LockpickingLawyer, hallppp, i have a helmetlok branded combination lock for my motorcycle helmet and the original combo no longer works
Are there any locks you can't pick???
@LockPickingLawyer for a variety of reasons would like "the best" (maybe not perfect - but best) combination lock for my bike. One of the biggest reasons is don't want to carry keys wile on the ocean kitesurfing, sup, etc. So difficult to find details about bike COMBINATION locks. TONS of vid's about KEY based locks.
Picking locks looks kind of relaxing. I know, sounds odd. Can you recommend a a quality\cheap-ish lock picking set on Amazon? It looks challenging yet relaxing. Thanks LPL
I got into it from Bosnian Bill. Made my first pick out of hacksaw blade. If you're not looking for so much DIY, I would recommend the Dangerfield Praxis kit or the Sparrows Tuxedo. However, every single person is going to have a different opinion. Watch some pick reviews and make up your own mind.
Thanks for the info, I'll check it out.
I second sparrows. Their website is in canadian dollars, so you actually get a cheaper price when you pay. Highest quality for the price IMO.
Luminatrail: Please, can you not
I know it's not magic... but it sure looks like it sometimes!
We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled
I use this rig just to go into the store quick or grab a beer when my bike is within eyesight. I would never use it in a long term or overnight situation. You don’t always want to carry the big heavy gear for in and out situation. Just my opinion.
Very informative as always
If you compress the fork towards the lock body you can decode by hand.
7:45 wait wut? the lock is closed you cant change the combo when the closed? or was 1111 the combo and he put it in the b position from there?
Great!!
I forgot to remove my lock one day and rode off to a crunch and trail of debris.
Comstar (5 blade) rear wheel killed it --- a wire spoked wheel might not have fared so well.
yep same thing
Well, now I just need to find a bike with that lock on it.
After watching these videos, I trashed all Master Lock and Chinese padlocks, all cables, all home-store chains, and a Bell U-lock. Replaced with Kryptonite New York U lock, Pewag chains from Austria, and Abus padlocks from Germany--Gott sei Dank! My guess is that the Lumintrail will soon be known as the LuminFAIL.
I finally caved and bought a lock pic set. Very looked down on in ohio so cant take it out of my house after i get them 😑 kind of wanna practice on locks on my hr lunches at work in my car
Don't practice on locks you depend on though, in case you break one.
what video is the brute force testing? I tried to find it but was unsuccessful
czcams.com/video/wYxuYmiRoUw/video.html
the switch seems terribly unsafe to me
if someone were to change the combination and then forgot to flip it or probably more likely flip it by accident while handling the lock
and then the lock wouldnt really lock would it
I was looking for a bike lock, and found this in my garage. I ended up changing the combination to something completely random. That's one lock down the drain.
GOOD VID&PICK..
I am still watching to see which lock gives you trouble , lol .. none yet .. still looking.
another flaw is the password reset in the open there.
Great job but not what I need....
Given the amount of time it took you to figure out how to attack this lock, would you consider it a good lock against your average thief?
No, because this lock is weak to brute force attacks.
Hitting the opening button with a hammer will do it also, I think.
LPL's real power is X-ray vision. He can see the lock mechanisms
The crooks near you must be smart. Our crooks use angle grinders.