Lordstown Rail Storage, Ohio commerce center. trains everywhere.

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  • čas přidán 31. 08. 2021
  • This trip was awesome never seen nothing like it, in person that is,
    LTEX is Larry's Truck and Electric. It is in McDonald, Ohio. LTEX is a rebuilder, reseller, a scrapper and a lesser of Locomotives, road and yard switchers. provides sales and repairs of parts.
    The Ohio Commerce center in Lordstown, Ohio. is 476 acres, has 9 warehouses, and 8 concrete storage pads. the complex was built in 1942 as a military storage depot. The government sold the property in 1967 to the community improvement corporation of Warren, which was operated by the space center of family companies. which purchased the property in 1977. and sold again in the late 1980's not sure who the owner is now, but the property has leased to a diverse client base over the years, which includes, railroad repair, rail storage, transloading, and auto storage. no matter the name of the facility, most locals still call it the space center. main rail access is thru CSX but can also connect with Norfolk Southern.
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    www.ltexrail.com/
    Ohio commerce center
    www.ohiocommercecenter.com/
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  • @BoxcarJerry
    @BoxcarJerry Před 2 lety +26

    WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW , I can't believe the amount of locos and parts they have . I don't know where to start , those CR switchers were sweet . Those funky looking UP's I thought were CF7 or something like them . I had to pause the video . They are RD20SD or CD's made by RailPower Tecnoogies ( RJ Corman) and what they do is rebuild old loco's into environmentally friendly hybrids .
    That CSX 1320 was another Hybrid 9:40 I like this one more then the UPs. I don't understand why these are there , they look to be in good condition .
    At 9:33 those locos behind the slug are slugs also . You can tell by looking at the long hoods , where the radiator fans and grills would be it's solid .
    Ole #71 looks like it should be at Lordstown and some of the locos in there should be on the road.
    Awesome awesome video Pappy , thanks for checking it out and taking us a long .
    500 soon to be !

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +5

      Wow Jerry that was some great info, cause I had no idea about the UP swichers I did like them, alot. And had no idea that RJ corman would be involved with that, I did point out in the video one of the full size slugs but I'm partial to the cut down slugs, I love slugs, I do agree some of these definitely look like they shouldn't be there unless its some kinda storage for later use, but the parts piles kinda say different. Definitely agree #71 should be in the scrap heap, glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you Jerry.

    • @mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164
      @mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164 Před 2 lety +4

      I wish they could rebuild a GG1 locomotive

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +3

      They are nice locos, I think there are a few decent ones in museums, and some not so goodones as well, but would be cool to see one running again.

    • @mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164
      @mtanyctrainatlantamartatra7164 Před 2 lety +3

      @@TriGogglin They probably could, but people are adamant and stuck on keeping the original parts, and those parts are shot, just put in new engine, a hybrid all electric motor, why not

    • @BossSpringsteen69
      @BossSpringsteen69 Před rokem +4

      Here's a little info on the Gensets. Pieces of junk. The Y899, if i got the number right. I remember the 99 part. Anyway, I paired it with one of our SD38-2's and not too long after that it developed a fuel leak from the fuel filter. I set the unit out. That unit and a few others were heading to Roseville and the two center windows were blanked over i believe with a metal plate at that time. Ours were delivered with wiper blades and non blanked center windows here in the Midwest. The Roseville units were passing through our area and, we gave them a "shakedown" run which is why i was told to mate it with my SD38. Eventually, we got our junksets the Y887 first then months later the rest followed. The 888, 889, 890, 891, 892, 893. Needless to say they are unreliable junksets. At one time there were three units mated to each other because all three had at least one issue the other didn't have. We've always had to continue using these units even with their reliability problems because their purchase was attached to a highway grant which, required them staying active or repay the grant back. Currently two might be heavy bad order in the diesel shop awaiting parts (my guess) and, the others are being assisted by SD40-2's and, two are actually mated to each other (probably the only units that have work consistently). Each of the engine pods cost $10,000 to replace. Each unit has had at least one pod changed a year. The looks are deceiving with locomotives. The gensets look great aesthetically but, mechanically they are shot. I'm assuming all the RP20 were built the same way minus a few minor things. If you ever model one the frame actually has a bow in it. When the fuel very is low the frame bows upward in the center and bows downward when full. Only the frame and trucks are original EMD. The stairs, fuel tank and, everything else are all either newly purchased or fabricated metal. Look for the number series of the units i gave you in the scrapyards soon because i think this year the grant ends and they can do what ever they want with them.

  • @charlesferebee263
    @charlesferebee263 Před 2 lety +9

    OUTSTANDING. ! My first load of steel was out of the mill in McDonald steel way back in 1971. Hauled steel and aluminum in and out of McDonald and Lordstown for 45years. I knew alot of drivers that Hauled GM cars out of the plant. Used to see all sorts of locomotives parked there over the years. ! Too bad most of the Good Jobs are gone from the area. Stay Safe and keep up the great work. 🇺🇸👍

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +3

      Thank you Charles, that's pretty awesome you seen the area in its hey day, and watch the engines pile up, definitely a shame the area drifted that bad, thank you for watching and the great comment....pappy

  • @NixCrossing
    @NixCrossing Před 2 lety +10

    That’s insane! Wish he did tours of the facility. Just wow honestly!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks nick. Yeah I would really love to get in and out of some of those cabs. The place is unbelievable.

  • @HoosierDaddy_
    @HoosierDaddy_ Před 2 lety +5

    Holy cow! To think all of those locomotives were once brand new and served the American railroad! I would love to volunteer, if I were closer. Even just to cut back all of the greenery to expose some of those beautiful old girls! Great video!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks Brad, yeah a big ol drum of weed kill would work too, 🤣🤣🤣 maybe I should make a winter early spring trip back there and see it with no weeds, really glad you liked it and appreciate you watching and leaving me a great comment.

  • @mikem4633
    @mikem4633 Před 2 lety +6

    Wow ! That was truly Epic seeing all those locomotives and slugs.. what a great find

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      I had the same excitement, It was awesome in person thats for sure. Thank you for watching

  • @daltondick5223
    @daltondick5223 Před 2 lety +7

    Neat place! These locos are all still good and with a lot of hard work these locos could run again!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +3

      Lot of history sitting there, thanks for watching Dalton

    • @bobgallo3775
      @bobgallo3775 Před rokem +4

      Larry's Truck and Electric does lease locomotives. I have seen them numerous times on the AVRR in the Pittsburgh area. I can only imagine the hazards of going into those units, wasps, snakes, other critters. Would love to walk through the place with a chainsaw. The railroad that I once worked for(B&LE) would send their retired units to Larry's. I can only guess what kind of bank account he has.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +2

      Hi Bob, yeah I live close to the Ohio Central RR line and I see LTEX on a few of their trains from time to time, so it's cool to see them still being used some where and not scrapped..

    • @bobgallo3775
      @bobgallo3775 Před rokem +4

      @@TriGogglin Oh, so true. With a little repair/updates, who knows how much time a unit may have. The B&LE used sd38's until they were in the their 4-5th decade.

  • @stretchlimo7275
    @stretchlimo7275 Před 2 lety +9

    Wow this was truly impressive. I’ve never seen so many dead SD60’s, mostly NS. There’s just about every major railroads units there. Can you imagine the amount of money sitting stagnant there? It would take you a day or two to walk this place. Thanks for posting, very interesting 👍🏼😎🇺🇸

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +3

      You are very welcome Stretch, I think the amount of money is beyond our imagination. I would live to spend a day there climbing on everything.

    • @OnPointe55
      @OnPointe55 Před 2 lety +2

      Not stagnant. They’re pretty successful with the business 😉 I was their family photographer a few years back and we did the session in both yards. Wonderful people

  • @xero925
    @xero925 Před 2 lety +7

    Seeing videos of all the locomotives I saw in my childhood and where they are now is really sad! I've always wondered where all the CSX SD50s went and here they are. Resting and waiting to be scrapped. Really sad to not see these rebuilt like the old SD40s were. Thanks for sharing this train load of nostalgia!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Very welcome, I was amazed at this sight, I seen things in there I never knew existed. Some will be parted out, but sadly some will be scrapped

    • @Slim_Slid
      @Slim_Slid Před 5 měsíci +2

      The GP50's & SD50's weren't well liked by the railroads because the 645F3's were unreliable.The motors were pushed to the max on how much horsepower they could handle and literally shook themselves apart.This is why EMD debuted the 710 series with the GP60's & SD60's being introduced.Alot of them were just outright sold or scrapped because nobody wanted to deal with them.This was just the second phase of EMD's reputation starting to go downward because previously some railroads dealt with units such as the SD45's,SDP45's,SD45T-2's,SD45-2's,
      FP45's,and SD45M's which continously had nothing but problems with crankshafts and why only most of the SD45's were rebuilt.
      As for the GP50's & SD50's,all that had to be done was interchange power assemblies from any 645E3's on the 645F3's to derate the horsepower or simply change the settings on the Woodward governors.But,this hardly happened on any of those units.
      Interesting enough,the six MK5000C's from Southern Pacific that have been with Utah Railway for years now were rebuilt as M5000-3's with 645F3's but they were modified with 645E3 power assemblies.Their Caterpillar 3612 prime motors are becoming outdated on resources and expensive so they resorted to EMD rebuilds which were better on costs and longevity.

  • @bobgallo3775
    @bobgallo3775 Před rokem +4

    Great post. Not the first time I 've seen vids of Larry's, but each time I see something new. That place must be bigger than I thought it was. Be safe !

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      Yeah I could not believe how big it actually was when I was there, would love to go back ad see what got rotated out and what new has shown up. Appreciate you watching..

  • @RoyEltham
    @RoyEltham Před 2 lety +10

    What an amazing collection of railroad history. Some really amazing stuff in there. Thanks for sharing this Pappy! Really enjoyed this peek into the past.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Very welcome Roy, but some looks good enough not to be in there. Thanks for watching Roy.

  • @pdrrengineer1404
    @pdrrengineer1404 Před 2 lety +5

    Awesome tour of that locomotive storage facility Pappy. That was something truly different, so thanks a bunch.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      That place was amazing to me, never seen nothing like it in person. Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching.

  • @SarahsAtticOfTreasures
    @SarahsAtticOfTreasures Před 2 lety +5

    My favorite one so far. Awesome. I can't believe how much there is to see at this location. Looks great, Pappy.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks Sarah, I am of the same opinion as you, couldn't believe what I was seeing, had to share it. Thanks for watching, and glad you enjoyed it.

    • @SarahsAtticOfTreasures
      @SarahsAtticOfTreasures Před 2 lety +1

      @@TriGogglin I am very glad that I watched it.

  • @iBackshift
    @iBackshift Před 2 měsíci +1

    Oh if i won the lottery, I would try to get an EMD 8-645 engine, put it on a stand and take it to Vintage Construction Equipment shows and run it up. I think a Loco cab would be the most fun backyard playhouse for kids.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 měsíci

      The cab idea is awesome. The lotto would be amazing, I would definitely have something in back yard for sure. Glad you enjoyed the video. Appreciate you watching

  • @valeriebassett3107
    @valeriebassett3107 Před 2 lety +6

    Really great video. Some of those looked like they were in really great shape. Must be internal problems. Thanks for sharing.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +3

      Hey there Val, totally agree, I thought some of those were in great shape. As well, some were in better shape than the train switching out cars at the end lol. Glad you liked it, thanks for watching, stay well.

  • @derekalexander4030
    @derekalexander4030 Před 2 lety +7

    Wow, I would like to have that whole collection in HO scale and they are already weathered. Thanks for doing this video Pappy.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      HO, Oh man wouldn't that be something, couldn't believe some of the engines in there. Very glad you liked it. Thanks for watching.

    • @derekalexander4030
      @derekalexander4030 Před 2 lety +2

      On google earth the name of the business listed right at the building taking the locos apart says Larry’s truck and electric (LTE). I wonder if they are associated with the leasing company? Glad that bridge was there so you could get those overhead shots. Amazing place.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah the web site says leasing as well.

  • @Crookedriverandeasternrr
    @Crookedriverandeasternrr Před 2 lety +5

    Man pappy I’ve heard of this place. Thanks for getting in there and really showing what is there. Really cool video. It was neat to see all the old equipment

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Glad I could show it to ya, been dying to get up there, opportunity knocked i answered, plus there's a drive in 5 miles up the road lol glad you liked it.

    • @Crookedriverandeasternrr
      @Crookedriverandeasternrr Před 2 lety +2

      @@TriGogglin oh you like drive ins!?😉😝

  • @graphtonix6607
    @graphtonix6607 Před 2 lety +3

    Lol!!! Out of all the train videos I've seen here on CZcams this one is by far my favorite. I really want to visit LTEX so damn bad.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Thank you very much Anthony, its nice knowing that it is appreciated and makes me wanna find more great stuff like this. I just put out a video on the rebuild shop ysrd in Huntington WV. There a lot of power sitting there as well, nut nothing like this.

    • @graphtonix6607
      @graphtonix6607 Před 2 lety +2

      @@TriGogglin Cool I will check it out very soon. Thank you very much for subscribing to the channel.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Very welcome, and thanks for your support

  • @yogiperogy
    @yogiperogy Před 11 měsíci +2

    Wow! That was a real eye opener! Some stuff I didn’t know existed. Sure beats railfan videos of mile-long unit trains from loco to ETU! Thank you very much for your efforts.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 11 měsíci

      So glad you enjoyed the tour, I would like to get back to that location and see what has changed. There were a few things in there I also did not know existed.. appreciate you watching

  • @awr1050
    @awr1050 Před 2 lety +2

    This looks like the jungle gym of my dreams!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      It would be a cool places to explore, didn't want to push my luck, I stayed in the car lol thank you for watching

  • @joeystrains.9316
    @joeystrains.9316 Před 2 lety +3

    That looks like my type of play ground. I could vacation there. Great job on the video.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      🤣 yes that would be so awesome to really spent time physically on all that, thanks for the compliment and for watching. Most appreciative.

  • @frankmarkovcijr5459
    @frankmarkovcijr5459 Před rokem +3

    It's nice to see some of the engines with their smoke slacks capped that means that their serviceable and probably available for rental.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +2

      Good eye, I didn't notice that. Appreciate you watching

  • @HistoricBF
    @HistoricBF Před 2 lety +3

    This is a great video! Can't wait to watch the rest later!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks, its a pretty amazing place, and those U P gen sets are in there they definitely look the same to me anyway as whats in you video. Hope ya like it.

  • @BmdZero
    @BmdZero Před 2 lety +5

    11:04 That engine used to be on the railway that I railfan. I was hoping you'd get a good shot of the ol' GP50.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Awesome, glad I could show it to you once again. Thank you for watching and pointing that out, I like when someone sees some they like in the videos.

  • @barbararoberto1258
    @barbararoberto1258 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Enjoyed the tour of the locos great shots thumbs up

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 5 měsíci

      Thank you so glad you enjoyed it. Really appreciate you watching

  • @paullindberg9230
    @paullindberg9230 Před 2 lety +2

    Man. what a collection of. power Much appreation for your. fine presentation

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thank you, it is an amazing place, this is one of those places a drone would work well. Thank you for watching.

  • @LRSX
    @LRSX Před 2 lety +5

    Whoaa!! That's an awesome place, what a collection! Judging by the trees between trains, probably 3 years since some of those where moved, or they cut the brush between them lol. Thanks for sharing awesome video pappy! Some one needs to make that trump car in nscale wow thats cool. Slug 856 appears to be an alco body cool!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Lol you would know the trees there Ian. So very glad you liked it and I read somewhere that possibly the property owner had the trump car painted up. The slugs and the UP swichers were my favorite. Read Jerry's comment he found some good info on those. Thank for watching Ian, so glad you enjoyed it.

  • @donfry7034
    @donfry7034 Před 4 měsíci +1

    That was an awesome video. I saw all kinds of types I've never seen. Thanks for that

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 4 měsíci

      So glad you enjoyed it Don, I too seen a few that were new to me when I went thru, I should go back there and see what has changed. This place is amazing. Really appreciate you watching

  • @fbrailroad4628
    @fbrailroad4628 Před 2 lety +2

    You must have wanted to stay all day. Thanks for sharing, David

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Oh I did, that place is awesome thanks for watching.

  • @joeraderblackrockcentralrr

    GREAT TRIP AND VIDEO PAPPY. THANKS FOR SHARING

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Welcome Joe, glad you liked it, thanks for watching.

  • @GregWatkins_official
    @GregWatkins_official Před 2 lety +3

    Very cool, thanks for sharing!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Your very welcome, thanks for watching

  • @Romans--bo7br
    @Romans--bo7br Před 2 lety +5

    Thank you So Much for recording this video and taking us along!! I had no idea that LTEX and SO Many units were there at the commerce center, even though I was aware that the Commerce Center, existed.
    I guess we know what UP (and a few other roads) really think of their politically correct "gensets", and now I know where a bunch of them "disappeared" to. lol : )
    Really sad to see so many of those EMD's going to waste & rust in the trees at the beginning of your video... and worse, that they (apparently) never even bothered to cover the exhaust stacks on all those naturally aspirated units that you "shot" from the bridge.
    I can't imagine the horrible shape of those NA EMD 567 & roots scavenged early 645 prime movers are, after sitting all these decades (from the looks of all the trees and bramble growing up around them) with no exhaust covers and the accumulation of rain water, snow, dust, etc,etc getting down into the exhaust plenums and ports. Really sad! Definitely a mecca though, for EMD fans, especially.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Wow, thank you for this great comment, first so glad you liked the video, second you just said things I would not have even thought about. I really appreciate you watching and commenting. Thank you.

    • @Romans--bo7br
      @Romans--bo7br Před 2 lety +2

      @@TriGogglin.... you're quite welcome and thank You, for taking time to reply, back to me.... Much appreciated!! This is the first video of yours that I happened to come across and watched.
      I immediately "liked and subscribed" after watching it, as well as adding your YT channel to my RR folder of "preferred" RR channels.... and there are many that I've watched, but many of them do Not make it into my "preferred" RR channels folder for quick access. : )
      I was a "head-end" brakeman for Class 1 RR back in the late 1970s and starting "OJT" as an engineer, until my wife (at that time) gave me an ultimatum one evening as I was called out for a west bound movement... she told me to make a decision of "either the railroad, or us" before I came back home again...... I should have stuck with the railroad!!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      @@Romans--bo7br wow thank you for the preferred list and sub most appreciative, sorry but I got a laugh, from your ultimatum 🤣 if you go back thru my channel, I try and catch the interesting stuff as much as possible, I have caught several heritage ns units, although not. All are posted yet, and I did a drive around Huntington WV csx repair shop that ill be posting in a few days lot of engines in this one. To me its great you worked the RR something i had thought of doing in my younger years but chose military then started a family so wasn't a thought again now im just a fan. its definitely a hard on a relationship job. Thanks again for your great comments, hope to see you here again thank you.....pappy

    • @Romans--bo7br
      @Romans--bo7br Před 2 lety +2

      @@TriGogglin... Well, thank you again for your nice reply... I Do appreciate it. Looking forward to your new postings in the not too distant future.... in the meantime, I will go through all your past railroad videos and enjoy those for now. : ) Til next time.... stay warm & "well".

  • @lorenzo1859
    @lorenzo1859 Před rokem +2

    Top locomotive 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃 nice vidéo likes 👍

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      Thank you, Appreciate you watching

  • @DuMontTV
    @DuMontTV Před 2 lety +3

    I bet you got a lot of modeling inspiration there!
    Good Wednesday Morning my friend!!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Sure did Anthony, I may do a small scrap yard like that, its pretty cool to see.

  • @richgreene7043
    @richgreene7043 Před 2 lety +1

    Super awesome video.
    Thanks 👍

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thank you, so glad you enjoyed it thank you for watching

  • @acrranscaleandlifejourney4330

    To kool. Thanks for pointing out the Ohio Central’s. Oh and slugs are nice till they eat your garden! Lol. Thanks for the video.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Lol Darth, need some salt for those slugs, thanks for watching glad you liked it.

  • @Nkp757railfan
    @Nkp757railfan Před 2 lety +2

    Nice to see an update I went there last year, I'll have to go again to see what's changed

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thanks, first time there for me, I'd like to go back, that place is amazing. Thank you for watching

  • @randyoehling303
    @randyoehling303 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow is right. Love browsing around the boneyard. Nice video

    • @randyoehling303
      @randyoehling303 Před 2 lety

      CSX doing a good job filling up boneyards everywhere. That's your precision railroading everywhere.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes I wish this were closer to me so I could see the rest of it. Thank you for watching.

  • @alberthendericks4234
    @alberthendericks4234 Před rokem +1

    Alot of good power sitting there. Thanks for sharing.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Thanks for watching, hope some of it returns to service

    • @alberthendericks4234
      @alberthendericks4234 Před rokem +1

      @@TriGogglin Back in the 90's when I drove a Flatbed. I use to go by their original operations (the Y&N shops) on my way to the Astro Shapes foundry with loads of aluminum sows. It was always interesting to see what was sitting down over the hill. Again thank you for sharing and it would be great to see some of that power running again.

  • @robertellis3516
    @robertellis3516 Před rokem +1

    Hey Pappy! I'm slowly making my way through your videos. You it the jackpot with this one!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      Oh Robert you have no idea, I been wanting to see lords town for ever. And there you go. I was in heaven.. so glad you enjoyed it as well..

  • @scottday6395
    @scottday6395 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Use to run the G M 20 In Hamilton, Ohio in the 90s at champion paper mill. Great Miami railroad.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Thats awesome. Always wished I would've been a railroader, but life had other plans.. glad you enjoyed the video, appreciate you watching

  • @zacharycalgher3978
    @zacharycalgher3978 Před 2 lety +4

    9:09 Amtrak Genesis 801

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Those were pretty cool, I didn't know the model, but was surprised when I seen them there.

  • @TheSteelRoad
    @TheSteelRoad Před 2 lety +1

    Aladdins cave! Thanks for the video mate 😎💯👍

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Yes quite the collection, Thanks for watching.

  • @ccrx6700
    @ccrx6700 Před 2 lety +3

    Awesome video, really enjoyed your show today

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thank you Dave, there was great stuff in those line ups.

  • @janchristensen7993
    @janchristensen7993 Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome. Thank you.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Very welcome, appreciate you watching and for the comment, happy 4th 🇺🇲🇺🇲

  • @csxrailfanners3000
    @csxrailfanners3000 Před 2 lety +2

    Nice!!!! Looks like its changed since I was last there! Nice stuff!!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      That place is awesome, glad you been there, so you know exactly the lay out. Thanks for watching.

  • @RippysRails
    @RippysRails Před rokem +1

    Wow! What a great find!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      Yeah I still can't believe what I saw up there, glad you enjoyed it too. Appreciate you watching and commenting

  • @steveashworth6707
    @steveashworth6707 Před rokem +1

    Wow so many engines!, pretty cool!.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      Thanks Steve, yeah this place was amazing, ill have to get back up there. And see if the inventory changed... appreciate you watching

  • @graphtonix6607
    @graphtonix6607 Před 2 lety +2

    I love EX Amtrak F40PHR unit 404.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Very glad I could show it to you. Thank you for watching.

    • @graphtonix6607
      @graphtonix6607 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TriGogglin Your very welcome.

  • @DruSteel69
    @DruSteel69 Před 2 lety +2

    Ahh you found my collection. LOL. Awesome find, Pappy. I don’t think I heard of Lordstown, Oh before. Thanks for sharing. That was a great tour.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      That would be an awesome collection to have, wouldn't it. Lot of awesome locos. Could have stayed all day. Glad you liked it.

    • @DruSteel69
      @DruSteel69 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TriGogglin 😎👍🏼

  • @BeerBaron-hx4ev
    @BeerBaron-hx4ev Před 2 lety +2

    You drove right by the building where I work. haha Thanks for some info that I didn't know about. Take Care and Cheers

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Awesome, would be cool seeing this every day and seeing the new things that would show up. Really appreciate you watching and commenting. Happy 4th 🇺🇲🇺🇲

  • @j.m.youngquist419
    @j.m.youngquist419 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for the video

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thank you for watching, most appreciative

  • @jfraz3570
    @jfraz3570 Před rokem +1

    Thanks good trip

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Thank you, really appreciate you watching

  • @4everdc302
    @4everdc302 Před 2 lety +1

    Cool man👍my new 5th line end at a future reclamation loco yard.using the mystery box of engines.This is reference for me.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Thats awesome, if you go on Google earth you can see the McDonald ohio one real well, glad I could give you some reference.

  • @Ausmerica
    @Ausmerica Před 2 lety +5

    I need to find out where our PB Class, used in the local steel mill, that were rebuilt some where in that area.
    Also amazing to see how many engines are in storage, or been withdrawn due to the down turn in coal sale, mining and exports. Early last year here, many engines didn't sit around for to long as they were cut up and sold for scrap.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Hey Arty, yeah I think this crazy economy is killing our trains for sure. Thanks for watching.

  • @melvinlee1614
    @melvinlee1614 Před rokem +1

    Cool

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Thank you So glad you enjoyed it..

  • @typeblaze6557
    @typeblaze6557 Před 2 lety +15

    I like the trump rail car

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Yeah it was pretty cool, thank you for watching, very glad you liked it.

    • @raymondbednar2812
      @raymondbednar2812 Před rokem +3

      I would call it “one of a kind”. Is it for sale ?

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      I'm not sure what he was doing with it..

    • @user-ob3nq2kc3t
      @user-ob3nq2kc3t Před 4 měsíci +2

      Love it!!!

  • @PostmoderneModelWorks
    @PostmoderneModelWorks Před rokem +1

    Man, that’s fantastic.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      Yeah it was Incredible, I should go back and see what has left and what has shown up. Glad you enjoyed it, appreciate you watching

  • @juliangerardcascio1111
    @juliangerardcascio1111 Před rokem +1

    Hope they get back on the Track 👣 some day , at least a few of them 😮!!!!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Yeah there's some really nice ones in the mix, I have seen some go back out as leased locos to shot lines, so thats good.. appreciate you watching

  • @1988Dme
    @1988Dme Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for posting. This sort of vedio is makes me wonder what I can do model railroaded wise. I have put this vedio to some of my mates with credit to the the fellow who filmed this. cheers from Australia.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thank you, so glad you enjoyed it, and I really appreciate you sharing with your mates. Parts of this would be cool to see in model form.

  • @theappalachianrailfan8310

    Awesome video buddy hate to see em go

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah me too but it was awesome to see them all in one place, some will be parted out.

  • @adriaanboogaard8571
    @adriaanboogaard8571 Před rokem +1

    Cool place and great old stuff. If I go see it I will bring my Husquavarna. I bet they would gladly trade a tour for some tree work maybe a steak dinner. 😁

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      There's definitely alot going on here. Was so cool to see. I wouldn't mind going again to see if the inventory has changed. Appreciate you watching

  • @timosha21
    @timosha21 Před 2 lety +2

    Choo choo! I'm a train and I approve this video! 🚂

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thank you, very glad you like it.. appreciate you watching

  • @platec4798
    @platec4798 Před 2 lety +4

    It never stops to surprise me how the Class1 carriers can get rid of some fairly new and decent locomotives. Locomotives, that if it was my railroad, would still be in service or stored serviceable. Alot of the GE stuff I would put out to pasture, but the GM stuff is worth keeping.
    Plate C

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Yeah we will probably never know the logic behind big corporate. And the money waste that they do.

    • @Slim_Slid
      @Slim_Slid Před 5 měsíci +3

      The more units that are on the rosters includes more taxes that have to be paid.When there is more than enough units,until freight traffic increases or there's a power shortage,then they're not needed and will be put in storage.Or when units become outdated they also will be put in storage or scrapped if it means more profit in return than keeping some and rebuilding them.
      Many EMD units within the last thirty years aren't really worth the rebuilds except for the diesel motors.GE units have better traction motors while obtaining stronger tractive effort which makes them great pullers.EMD slacked on this thanks to Siemens and their unreliable traction motors.
      However,traction motors from almost any EMD unit do load quickly which gives them the advantage of accelerating faster and great for switching,but they aren't useful when it comes to serious tonnage.Another thing to note is that EMD's dynamic braking sucks while GE's is great.Basically,GE has always been more technologically advanced than EMD while EMD always provided units and diesel motors that will keep running no matter what,one of these is what keeps the railroads interested.EPA regulations killed EMD because their 567's,645's,710's are two stroke and produce higher emissions.
      Quite obviously there is still thousands of units out there but further production was discontinued and CAT/PRLX ruined the reputation by trying to make more failed Caterpillar rebuilds.
      There's reasons why more EMD units keep ending up in storage from Class 1 usage with lesser rebuilds being invested while GE units are everywhere and rebuilds are starting to become more common,espiecally since Wabtec now owns General Electric.
      The last greatest EMD units were the GP40-2's & SD40-2's which have continued to outlive many other units.

  • @jimmydcap
    @jimmydcap Před rokem +1

    Old Blue and Yellow Sante Fe caught my eye.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      Awesome, that is my favorite Santa fe paint scheme.. it just looks good.. glad you enjoyed the video.

    • @jimmydcap
      @jimmydcap Před rokem +1

      @@TriGogglin Enjoyed your video big time. Dacades of rail history sitting on the rails.
      Looks like .many of those locomotives were just brought there for storage.

  • @ensnipe2000
    @ensnipe2000 Před 2 lety +1

    That is a very tight canal, no margin of error

  • @paul06660
    @paul06660 Před 2 lety +3

    4:42 holy cow that is one mean bent crankshaft. Wonder what the crazy story is behind that. Thanks for the really nice video.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Don't know how I missed your comment. That is one crazy looking crankshaft, glad you liked the video, appreciate you watching

  • @critterIMHO
    @critterIMHO Před 6 měsíci +1

    One of those wide body Amtraks would make a cool small house.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Oh for sure, I would love anything like that, a caboose, a boxcar, a loco, that would be amazing. Appreciate you watching

  • @1cumminsdiesel
    @1cumminsdiesel Před rokem +1

    I’ve done repowers on some sd40s and a couple other models built a lot of new locos also definitely miss that place

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      This place is just freaking amazing, I need to go back and see what changed. Appreciate you watching

  • @smokymountainpioneer
    @smokymountainpioneer Před 2 lety +6

    Wow, never knew that of a place like that was in Ohio. Did you just drive in the Lordstown yard like that with no problems or had to ask for permission? Thanks for creating this video!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Just drove In, they say the gate is hit or miss if its open or not, and there are other businesses in there. Didnt see any no trespassing signs. Appreciate you watching.

  • @barbararoberto1258
    @barbararoberto1258 Před rokem +1

    Great video I subscribed

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Thank you, so glad you enjoyed it. And thank you for joining the fun.. appreciate you watching hope to see you in the comments again soon.

  • @jebbthetrainkid1281
    @jebbthetrainkid1281 Před 2 lety +2

    I somehow missed this video. Pretty neat place. Looks like someone needs to get a Weedeater out of the Storage Building. Lots of cool stuff.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks Matt, no worries I miss alot to, that place was awesome

    • @jebbthetrainkid1281
      @jebbthetrainkid1281 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TriGogglin It looked like it. If someone was looking to get a good Photo of a Discontinued Road Name this would be Heaven. Sure was a great video to watch.

  • @timbeach2409
    @timbeach2409 Před 2 lety +7

    Be interesting to know what the cheapest and most expensive engine was and the average cost between all of them.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +3

      Yes that would be interesting facts for sure. Also wonder if he'd sell random parts to the average guy off the street.

  • @luisalejandrogalvan358
    @luisalejandrogalvan358 Před rokem +1

    Nice video! 7:41 CREX 1521.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Thank you, appreciate you watching, glad you enjoyed it.

  • @horny99845
    @horny99845 Před 2 lety +3

    Oh an Amtrak train

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Seeing those were great, I forgot all about that model engine. Thank you for watching.

  • @Band__geek
    @Band__geek Před rokem +3

    Just saying, metra coulda bought the Amtrak F40 locomotives. Just might need some repairing to do ;)

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem +1

      That would be awesome to see them out and about again. But yeah definatly needs some work. Really appreciate you watching. Hope to see you back soon

  • @robertbeacham4314
    @robertbeacham4314 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Better looking CSX equipment in the yard then the engine CSX 71 at the end of the video

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 měsíci +1

      🤣🤣🤣 I was thinking the same thing that day, seems like they should of traded it out.. glad you enjoyed it, appreciate you watching

  • @shawnpowell5876
    @shawnpowell5876 Před 2 lety +4

    ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL video PAPPY!!!! I'm glad you told me abt this one! Idk where to start, I've never seen so many HIGH HOODS, SWITCHERS and SLUGS ever! Man I'm TOTALLY IMPRESSED with this video and hope to make it to OHIO to see this up close! I'd certainly be in my glory around that place and would have to see if the door was unlocked on them to get my pic from the CAPTAIN'S OFFICE! Was wondering if you take pictures when you're out doing videos. If by chance you do could you send me one to add to my railroad room I'm creating? Only reason I ask is because I'm a disabled Delawarian due to a hereditary nerve disease and don't get out much. I'd frame the picture to hang w the others that other CZcamsrs have sent me. Thanks for sharing this video and thoroughly enjoyed it and I'll be watching more for sure my friend!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Wow Shawn, so glad I was able to bring this to you, I don't are pics or i would definitely send you some. What i do is pause my videos of where I want then take a screen shot of the video,, so when you see pics in my videos thats how i got them there, it works great on the phone, and you can do it off of youtube videos with a screen shot. Feel free to do that to any of my videos. There is one more you may like that may have an engine or 2 for ya it is the CSX Heavy rebuild video 12 days back from today. Thank you again for enjoying my videos. Stay well and warm.

    • @shawnpowell5876
      @shawnpowell5876 Před 2 lety +2

      @@TriGogglin I'll certainly check that video out! And thanks for giving me the ok to take pics from the videos. Certainly appreciate it just like I appreciate you going out and making videos to share w us!

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      @@shawnpowell5876 any time Shawn, any time. You are welcome.

  • @kelvintorrence5994
    @kelvintorrence5994 Před 2 lety +1

    excellect job i knew about the mcdonald side butt not the lordstown part i live about 40 minutes from both of themm thanks

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you, glad you liked it, if you get past that way, its something to see. Thanks for watching.

  • @graphtonix6607
    @graphtonix6607 Před 2 lety +3

    I also see EX Amtrak F40PH unit 344.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      I seen a few in there that I thought were long gone.

    • @graphtonix6607
      @graphtonix6607 Před 2 lety +3

      @@TriGogglin Even unit 369???

  • @kelvintorrence5994
    @kelvintorrence5994 Před 2 lety +3

    i also love thpose switchers and slug units thank u

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes, I really likes slugs as well, getting hard to find any more.

  • @frankmarkovcijr5459
    @frankmarkovcijr5459 Před rokem +1

    Steam locomotives you can rebuild forever and at the time of their scrapping in the late fifties there were many that had served 40 or 50 years plus. Many of the first generation diesels barely lasted up to their lease expiration. When you see 70 plus year working everyday at some short line or industrial Railroad and then you see all of these great big haulers that are 50 years newer sitting in a graveyard. Of course the older units is nice and simple and you can keep them working forever. It is a whole lot less work and expense to keep something in serviceable condition than to fix it after it's been derelict for a while.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      There are quite a few in this line up that look amazing. Maybe they will run again. Be cool to see that.

  • @nfitz11
    @nfitz11 Před 5 měsíci +1

    This is hundreds of millions of dollars in train engines, just sitting.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 5 měsíci

      Some yes, but some he parts out, and some he fixes and leases out, but sadly some go to scrap.. bit it's all cool to see, sure appreciate you watching

  • @poohbuttlilboy4316
    @poohbuttlilboy4316 Před 2 lety +2

    I bet copper thieves love this place

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Ooh, man never thought of that, bet your right. Lots of windings on those motors.

  • @rickprusak9326
    @rickprusak9326 Před 2 lety +2

    Please do a video on Cabose scrap yards. Would love to own a Cabose and have it displayed on my country property.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      I'm not aware of any caboose scrap yards. Most, if they havnt been snapped already, have been put in museums or on display in towns across America. I've done two videos at the end of each year of the ones I found,. You should check them out, their called road side finds 2020 and 2021

  • @ToddTheHedgehog
    @ToddTheHedgehog Před 10 měsíci +1

    Remember guys, LTEX SD40T-2 #8532 was repair and it retired and it never run again in 2008 and it sold in the Midwest. It was s scrap around 2017.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Thank you for that info, did not know this, appreciate you watching..

    • @ToddTheHedgehog
      @ToddTheHedgehog Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@TriGogglin okay, your welcome!

  • @planetwisconsin9901
    @planetwisconsin9901 Před 2 lety +3

    F40 344 still around I see.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Quite a bit still around, there was an OC engine at McDonald's that I didn't get to video, that I havnt seen for a while. Thank you for watching

  • @lostsomewhereinhere
    @lostsomewhereinhere Před rokem +1

    This is what happens when your model railroading gets out of hand. It starts with a Lionel train set around the Christmas tree, then it just gets out of hand after that.😁😁😁

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Lol, I don't have that problem,(wish i did) but i know a lot of people who do... 🤣 appreciate you watching and commenting

  • @henrygonzalez2074
    @henrygonzalez2074 Před 2 lety +2

    That loco you passed by 3906 baja railroad from tijuana México i got to see it roll by my neighborhood everyday here in tijuana but wheres the other 1 they had 2 a like blue,white,green color scheme

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Wow now that is cool to know, thank you for telling me this, glad you recognized it here, maybe the other is still operating some where, thank you for watching and the comment

  • @TimSmith-uc4pk
    @TimSmith-uc4pk Před 2 lety +3

    That is really sad. All of those great locomotives rotting away.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes it is sad to see, but cool in a way, plus this company does resale on parts and some get fixed and sold, so at least some of it doesn't go to waste, thank you for watching and commenting much appreciated.

    • @zacharycalgher6001
      @zacharycalgher6001 Před 2 lety +2

      @@TriGogglin and for those that didn't make it, I wished I died with them.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      @@zacharycalgher6001 no no Zach, we gotta keep on rolling down the tracks, just like some of these will again..

    • @zacharycalgher6001
      @zacharycalgher6001 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TriGogglin okay

  • @Trentonpage
    @Trentonpage Před 2 lety +2

    Not far from there, the csx track there goes right past my mother's house.
    Would like to model something similar to that.
    I've also the engines they use from there too.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      That would make an awesome and impressive model for sure. Thank you for watching much appreciated.

  • @adriaanboogaard8571
    @adriaanboogaard8571 Před rokem +1

    Cool and interesting Video. 😁? Is the one with the Horizontal Red White and Blue strip paint job one that had that done as a 1776 1976 Comemrative paint job?

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Oh that im not sure of. It could be possible I suppose. Would have to look into that. Thanks for watching

  • @j.m.youngquist419
    @j.m.youngquist419 Před 2 lety +1

    I've worked on quite a few of those Units

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Thats awesome, glad I could show you them again, hope its good memories.

    • @j.m.youngquist419
      @j.m.youngquist419 Před 2 lety +1

      You make some fantastic videos, thanks for your efforts.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      @@j.m.youngquist419 thank you, I really do appreciate that. It means alot.

  • @TrainMedia00
    @TrainMedia00 Před 9 měsíci +1

    if I had my own railroad heritage Museum like Strasburg or Illinois railroad Museum I wish I can afford to save these locomotives and repainting for my fictional Railroad Museum I hope 😔🙏

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 9 měsíci

      Oh for sure to have that kind of money and power would be amazing.. this place was amazing.. appreciate you watching

    • @TrainMedia00
      @TrainMedia00 Před 9 měsíci

      @@TriGogglin I appreciate that (≡^∇^≡)

  • @kevinoswaldofxe3817
    @kevinoswaldofxe3817 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Les aseguro que si nos mandaran varias de esas locomotoras a mi pais para el corredor interoceánico las tendríamos trabajando como si nada pues en mi pais con una visita que den a ciudad hidalgo las pondríamos hechar a andar otra vez

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 5 měsíci

      I apologize it will not translate for me.. I do appreciate you watching 👍

  • @ottomatic6432
    @ottomatic6432 Před rokem +1

    Do you think MMA 5023 and 5026 are somewhere in that assortment of locomotives?

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před rokem

      Oh, yeah not sure, I ran thru thete so quick. There was more way in the back that I never got back there to see..

  • @Nkp757railfan
    @Nkp757railfan Před 2 lety +1

    Those brush along side and in-between the trains wasn't there last year

  • @randyoehling303
    @randyoehling303 Před 2 lety +3

    I think I read that those NS slugs actually ride on trucks from cut down Fairbanks Morse trainmaster locos.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety

      Not sure from what, but I know their cut down from pre-existing engines just not sure or which ones, I have been in live chats that they had talked about that but I can't remember what engine is what lol they need simple names like cars have, then I'd be better at it.

    • @suppylarue220
      @suppylarue220 Před 2 lety

      those trucks don't look like FM trucks. they look like Baldwin trucks.

  • @madmikemadmike2175
    @madmikemadmike2175 Před 2 lety +4

    it is so sad that these machines are not recyclable

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks for watching, in a way they are being recycled very slowly, this company parts them out, and some get rebuilt and sold, but yes im sure some are just rusting away. Thats very sad for those ones.

  • @shammshaw7901
    @shammshaw7901 Před měsícem +1

    9:15 Amtrak 811 was involved in silver spring train crash

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před měsícem

      That I Did Not know, thank you for the info, and watching

  • @johncroop8243
    @johncroop8243 Před 2 lety +2

    Just to be clear. There are two different locations for LTEX (maybe more) Lordstown, Ohio and McDonald Ohio.

    • @TriGogglin
      @TriGogglin  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes sir. Thank you, This video does cover both locations. I just didn't mention LTEX in the lordstown part, cause you see the LTEX markings on most of the stuff. I appreciate you watching and pointing that out as that might be missed by most.