BULLBAR CRASH TEST - How strong are they? PLUS How a bullbar is made!
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- See how bull bars are made, tested and strengthened! Shauno's gone down to the TJM factory in Brisbane and has seen the whole process from start to finish. You won't believe how much engineering and testing goes into making a steel bull bar compatible with airbags and modern sensors like lane assistance, emergency braking and parking distance control.
See the difference between a bull bar vs no bull bar in a kangaroo crash test, and exactly how strong a well made bull bar with RATED recovery points is.
TJM make a huge range of accessories for most modern 4WDs, look at the range: www.tjm.com.au/
Almost had me convinced until TJM’s “professional engineers” used a 10 year old Hyundai Excel as a comparator! Surely a better comparator would have been a 4x4 without one of their bars. Love to see the manufacturer undertake ANCAP standard tests on a 4x4 with the bull bar on it so we know what impact the bull bar has on the crash performance of the vehicle.
I stopped watching at TJM involvement
might be too expensive
6:02 "This is not a real kangaroo"
Could have fooled me!
Looks pretty real to me too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't believe them, I still think it was a real roo!
Shocking that they would so cruelly chain a live kangaroo to one spot and then run it down with a 4x4. Why haven't they been arrested?
@@wainbanfield6775 wait til PETA gets ahold of this
mini T-rex
In Sweden - Moose Test to see how well a car can swerve wildlife. In Australia - Bar Test to see how well we can plow through wildlife.
To be fair, if you hit a moose head on you're not going to be very happy about it no matter what you're equipped with.
Lol That’s how we roll Andrew 😂
Never swerve for wildlife, quick way to end up rolling into a ditch/tree.
Main design intention is to protect the radiator and drivetrain so you’re not stranded in a remote area.
@@scod3908 Yes, but not when you're about to hit a moose. A moose will go straight through your windshield :)
@@Candesce how many people successfully swerve around a moose in real world conditions?
The impact absorption and engineering involved with it is something that is very often overlooked when people custom make heavy steel bumpers. Very cool to see it in action, thanks for sharing!
yeah, on Tacomas for example, all the steel bumpers remove the little block of aluminum between the frame rails and rebar, effectively removing a little bit of crumple zone.
Total rubbish for pansies and snowflakes! I want my bar to have zero crumple! What is the point of this over priced junk! I'll stick to HAMMER industries
Bring it over to South Africa and test it against the local rogue taxi’s..
Thats the only “true” test for a bullbar..
The taxis in South Australia is pretty tame.
Or the cattle you find in the rural areas.
@@jdjoubert compared to which other taxis? 🤔😄
I agree, fokken etters maak net kak.
In WA we get cattle, camels n emus. Kangaroo is just a normal everyday driveway exercise haha
This is a great advertisment for TJM (as it's meant to be) but it was still really interesting & I reckon I'm a bit smarter after watching it, thanks Shauno.
BHP used to fit all of their Hilux utes with bullbars & roll bars ....until they did in depth testing at a Crash Lab facility with crash test dummies in the vehicles. The results showed overwhelmingly that the passengers within the vehicle were much safer WITHOUT the bullbar. Have any bullbar manufacturers done similar tests ? If so , where's the results ?
If not ? Why not ?
Remember, vehicle damage runs a distant 2nd to passenger safety.
Unless the vehicle is immobilized in a very remote area and cannot continue to drive. Then the people in the vehicle ARE at risk. Most recent incident would be the example of the woman who perished out near Level Post Bay, due to the car unable to be driven out of the bog. After all, the humble bull-bar started it's genesis in the outback, where those country people knew they had to protect the vehicles' cooling system to ensure drivability. Crunched panels and even crunched people can continue on for help. That, is the immediate role of the bull-bar.
the bull bar are not designed for people can safely crash into other vehicles or trees, it’s mainly design for keep you vehicle operate after hit a roo, so maybe driver a bit more safely.
The only independent study done on heavy duty bumpers (that I know of) was by a mining company, wondering why so many of their "light duty" (Large pickups, but light duty compared to 40 ton dumptrucks and mining equipment) trucks were killing the occupants instead of just injuring them in mine accidents. It was the heavy steel bumpers on the fronts of the trucks, they basically ruin the crumple zone and tend to shove the engine into the passenger compartment and/or the energy from the accident is absorbed by the occupants rather than the crumple zone. They're good for wildlife but very bad for highway driving.
Aussie here living in the USA, noticed another fella made a shout out from Cali.
You guys have really stepped it up with this one! Nice work, Keep it up!
I hit a roo in the same spot as the test @ 100km p/h, bent the bar slightly and was able to drive home, good all round bar, I would recommend TJ M
The “chazzy” oh man it’s good every time
Lol. Shazzie.
Their slang is so terrible
All this stuff is cool, but how about serious crash testing? I would suspect strapping a big stiff structure to the front of the vehicle would defeat the benefit of the vehicle crumpling to protect the vehicle occupants.
It significantly increases the danger to the occupants of both vehicles. Turns uninjured into injured, injured into dead.
Proud to have a TJM steel bar, the factory alloy crap was useless.
We’re proud to have you as a customer! Thanks for the support Tony 👍
How great is it to get an insight into our domain - the 4WD world! Thanks to 4WD 24-7 we get to see the details / "behind the scenes" of the industry, giving us more confidence in our purchasing decisions! Thanks so much guys!
I have an ARB Summit on my ‘17 Colorado diesel here in Western Canada. Hit a 225 kg 4 point mule deer at 100 kph hole towing a 3000 kg boat. He was at a full run and came out of the ditch in a snow storm. Zero time to brake. He hit his shoulder on the left upright and wing and his head right in the center of the bullbar. The truck absolutely would have been undriveable without the bullbar. Zero frame damage, no airbag deployment. Totally committed to having a bullbar on all my trucks!
towing a 3 tonne boat in a snow storm at 100kmh.....sounds like a good idea!
@@Do-iz6qd Then you don’t know shit about northern Canada travel. Road surface was still perfect. Snow blowing right across the road. I have 50 years experience in all kinds of weather. THE POINT was that the ARB bumper kept the truck drivable after the impact.
@@jaykanngiesser3454 Keep dreaming mate...your the best there ever was...just keep telling yourself that...have a happy and a healthy!
I'd be interested in an ARB engineering comparison 🙏
well they don't have recovery points and they cost a fair bit more, they also have plastic everywhere that keeps breaking when you hit the smallest thing.
Not made in aus if I’m right.
@@joshuagunter1177 Most aussie companies only make a couple locally then have them the rest build in Thailand or the like and imported.
@@148Reaper Pretty sure TJM are still all australian made. Mine was about the same price as the ARB, but looks better on the front.
@@joshuagunter1177 ARB still has their factory in kilsyth Melbourne. My bar is made there.
Can't wait to see ARB & Ironman plus all the other bars tested in the way TJM are.
Arb will hold but Ironman will not
Here in the states the ARB is one of the only ones available that is certified for air bag compatibility.
@@wirebrush Correct.
They all are otherwise there not ADR compliant
ARB made in china 😏😜
Def getting a bullbar on my excel ?🤷♂️ 😂
Clearly needs one!
Loving the consistency of the uploads 😍
It’s protection for occupants in a high speed crash that matters. Bull bars seem to reduce crumple effect. They must increase braking distance and reduce manoeuvrability. Safety design of modern cars is complex . Bolting stuff on may well protect from kangaroos, but surely our families safety is more important.
Hitting a kangaroo can kill you. So can getting stranded out bush. Which kind of safety is more important? The bar still crumples, just won't crumple for a minor impact.
No “z” in chassis. Good epizode
Z’s are S’s south of the equator. And the toilets swirl backwards. And.. and... well, kangaroos.
Great vid! Would love to see a 4wd247 bullbar shootout - ARB, TJM, Ironman, PIAK, MCC, ECB and smartbar.
Animal strike test, weld quality test, overall quality test (coating etc) then price comparison.
Also does having bull bar hoops (single or triple) make a difference in an animal strike?
Yes this would be fantastic
Yeah I doubt it as well but one can only hope
It has been done but before the days of sensors (only airbags). TJM actually came out on top too. That old 4wd Monthly article is still the reason I’m using TJM. 👍
MCC & McArmour Bull Bars are absolutely Junk, The Write off 4x4 The Insurance Company’s Put Ironman Bull Bars on the Write offs, Stick To ARB / TJM or IRONMAN 4X4 Bars, I don’t know about East Coast Bars Rock Armour Or Opposite Lock Bars, MCC and McArmour Design just for looks Powder Coating for MCC is Crap
Here in Washington State USA. They stop for the deer and pull out the phones to take a picture. 😆 Thanks Shauno engineering is cool.
Very nice to see the effort in R&D rather than just slapping some plates together. But a real head to head test by a 3rd party with other players would be epic. TJM has their act together but do the others as well?
Okay. Now hit a ballistic fake kangaroo with a brand new 4x4 without the bullbar!
That would be a more realistic test
Word little excel stood no chance funny though punt
I hit a real kangaroo as I crested a hill at 95kph in my Land Rover Discovery 2 without a bullbar.
Luckily the roo was not in mid-air at the time so I struck it with the stock-standard bumper bar and the roo went underneath and not over the bonnet.
The kangaroo was killed by the impact but there wasn't a mark on the vehicle.
Very lucky. Now I have a bullbar.
@@daretosucceed5938 very lucky mate
Yeah i am unconvinced by a comparison of ute with bullbar vs excel unprotected
Done the roo impact test with a 1999 Hyundai Sonata, and a real Kangaroo on the way home from work one night. It hit the front passenger side of my car. Damage was fairly similar to the results shown here. It didn’t bust the radiator, so I was able to limp it home, but it went to the scrapyard not long after that.
Lmao that blow-up skippy is a good touch
Should be testing a 120km hit, thats what speed most people with a bullbar go on country roads at night
Only if they are looking at their phone at the time
@@cinderswolfhound6874 not really. That's the speed you hit a kangaroo. Its also the impact that two cars going 60kmph would impact at with a head on.
Most people? Jesus, only if you know nothing about country driving. I drive road trains at night in WA. Barely ever get overtaken at night. Sitting on 100kph with a bar that shrugs off cows. You are asking for trouble if you're doing more than that in a shoe box. You can't see road condition well, you can't see the livestock on the side of the road, you can't stop for the kangas. Silly stuff. There are lots of deaths on country roads, impatience and risk taking behavior is why.
First time I'm THIS early to a 4WD 24-7 Episode
Cheers, Mates, from Southern California, USA
Onya mate!!
Mojave desert here
This CZcams channel is so underrated 💞
Very interesting. Would be interesting to know how many other manufacturers follows the same process as it is actually critical that they do.
TJM bar goes on my new Dmax next week. Can not wait!
We’re pretty excited to kit up your rig Andrew! Can’t wait for you to see the end result. Very worth the wait.
This channel is starting to become my favorite channel on CZcams. Great videos guys! top effort!
Who knew. I was told an animal strike with a bull bar would bend the chassis. Great video.
I had an Aries brush guard/grille on my 2019 Ford Ranger XL, and it got crumpled after a head-on with a Jeep Compass, both of us doing about 35mph. I'm sure it helped a little bit with the crash safety, but I really bought it for the amount of deer that run around my town, Susanville, CA. They're basically a "protected class" here, walk around with no fear, and occasionally like to play, "Can I survive a hit by that truck?" Anyway, I got myself another 2019 Ford Ranger, this time an XLT (I would have liked another XL but didn't have any in stock at the used but well kept car lot). After looking online at bullbars and bumpers I ran across the ARB Summit (very similar to these TJM's) and decided this is going on this go 'round, very sturdy looking, and upgrading the bumper at the same time I'm adding a brush guard/grille slash anti-MVW (anti- Mobile Vehicle Wrecker, aka deer). This video has only reinforced my desire to get it, thank you for making it! ;}
I am a structural engineer and have to compliment them, they are doing a great job with their design.
Thankyou so much for all the useful information. This has helped us make our decision on whether to fit a bull bar.
Cool to see what a legitimate company goes through when designing a bumper, can't imagine many small companies that build in their garage can match this engineering.
Absolutely. I'm actually concerned some of the smaller companies are actually royally fucking their customers. Dissent off-road bumper prices are atrocious and most definitely doesnt have this kind of engineering and testing. Yet charges more than anybody on the market(in the US). No way his cost to produce justifies the price without any r&d/crash certifications. Maybe I'm wrong but makes me glad I went with an ironman since it actually has been tested/certified
That Dmax with the TJM bar looked mint
Ancap have already proved the results are more catastrophic with a bullbar than without
Here's a tip. Don't crash. Bar doesn't effect side or rear impacts aka people running into to you.
Considering the bulbar is designed to slide back on impact to absorb shock, after a light collision does the bulbar need to be inspected/reset? Can they be pulled forward again ready for another impact?
Would love to see tuff bar or hopper knocker do that same test.
I am curious as to whether the mechanical testing devices for the "Bull bars" are ISO and ANZ approved and rated? However, the Kangaroo test on the "Bull bar" is mute, even though there is repeatability and falsification; there are two different vehicles used along with no variability in vehicle speeds or distance, and, the absence of a crash test dummy that is rated and approved. Do these "Bull bars" come with the appropriate approval and rating stickers, even the ones manufactured overseas?
Another ripper vid, Shauno, that 200 still looks pretty clean!
Awesome video! Proud to offer our customers a quality products.
Good to see the stig made an appearance once again
I'm sure a vehicle with a bullbar will be better off compared to one one without on a kangaroo strike. But the comparison shown is hardly fair don't you think. A big ute with a bullbar vs a small hatch without. They should have used a older ute instead.
was gonna say the same thing the roo's head was above the small car while the big ute just hit it and pushed it to the side
I suppose it comes down to sacrificing a $50,000 ute vs a $500 car
The kangaroo test is apples to oranges comparison it’s a body on frame construction vs a unibody of course it’s going to do damage to a unibody even with a bull bar on the car I feel is you would have hit the kangaroo with a stock d max the truck would have still been able to drive home but you would still have to fix your truck
Ps I’m from America and absolutely love you guys keep up the good work and Shaunos cooking segments that’s the best part of the show lol
T13 Outback bar on my MY18 Dmax for a good reason. TJM Scrub bars and steel sidesteps complete the front reinforcement and stabilizing of the platform.
Love TJM bar work. Best looking bar for the funny looking BT50 too. 👍
Glad to hear you love it Ben! We’re a big fan of it too 😉
great, but why not show the same ranger without the bull bar? awesome that the ranger with bull bar seemed to take no damage, but comparing it to an excel with no bull bar? apples to oranges.
Because they'd rather replace a $500 excel than a $40k ranger.
Very interesting in all the effort & testing TJM put into their Bullbars & everything else they make, That's why I have a steel TJM Bullbar on my Suzuki Jimny Sierra Mate.
Great technical piece, thanks.
What was not highlighted was the way that the TJM bar tilts back on impact - sending the object back over the windscreen.
It is now, and has been for some time, illegal to have a slightly rear tilt on the bullbar.
Many of us may be from Whellabarrowback, but sometimes we know math, like vectors.
Home-made bars were always tilted back, and the local copper always knew why.
Pretty sure it's the forward tilted bars that are illegal, the older style designed to send whatever you hit down under the tyres, like the classic five posters that used to be on everything west of great dividing range.
There was a move to ban bull bars in Australia. They are dangerous and comprise your safety due to them defeating crumple zones . They should be subject to review
The ones that follow ADR should be fine.
There is a move to ban 2 way roads and streets, due to possible head on collisions….. oh wait no there isn’t, let’s just pass each other at 100 km/h each. Let’s ban everything blake. Let’s ban bbqs, people hooking up their own gas, let’s fence every single road so no animals can jump through the windscreen.
Ridiculous.
@@arefeshghi Bull bars are not subject to ADR rules. No one has ever published the results of a crash test where a bull bar is installed.
I’m definitely getting a bullbar for my motorbike!
Plus an ashtray as well as an unbrella.
@@gawdsuniverse3282 already have them installed, only need to get a seatbelt and I’m good to go.....unless.....
@@dartymcphee6815 haha:)
Cheers Shauno and the 4wd 24/7 crew for coming down to meet our engineers, take a cheeky peek behind the scenes and catch a glimpse of what goes into our Bull Bars. Up until today, most of our rigorous development and testing has been kept top secret since we started way back in 1973.
We’re mighty proud to lead the pack with our 4x4 accessories, and it's all thanks to the behind-the-scenes work we do onsite and in the Outback. We’re sure our mate, Skippy the Roo, wasn’t as excited, but someone has to take one for the team. 😉
I used to make bars for my old bangers in the shed, out of off cuts, railway sleepers, what ever was on hand when the front’s were basically a rectangle, but times have changed.
Seeing the work that goes into developing a bar for a modern 4x4 was an eye popper, looks the goods too.
Good work 👍
"lead the pack" Your bars are made in China mate.
Good to know the exact roo size too be looking out for on way home
Orange ones too😜
My factory Gu Patrol bar recently damaged in an accident ( i think made by ARB) used to vibrate less than the TJM bar mounted after the repairs.
Blowing through that kangaroo with no damage was incredibly satisfying to watch.
Waiting for such a video for years, appreciate it mate.
Great to know seeing I have chosen to fit a TJM T13 bullbar to my New 200 series LC. The whole idea was “IF” I hit a kangaroo when towing my 19ft caravan it means it doesn’t hopefully end my holiday suddenly and not needing to sort out repairs for just a car along with having to work out how the hell to tow a van back to home base. Let’s face it , a bull bar is not a great look for the front for your car but they have come a long way in appearance and are purpose built. One small sacrifice that am prepared to make - Great insurance !!
P.S. great video Shauno !
This actually leans me towards getting brush bars not a bull bar.. that saved heaps on impact on that rubber kanga, whereas the one without copped it
Awesome video!. I didn't know these companies put that effort into the crash ratings on vehicles.
Thank you for this.
So bull bars are for protecting cars...I never knew what they were for before.
But I read in my driving book that they "may potentially endanger pedestrians" 🤔 which I don't get as bars or no bars the pedestrian is going to get hurt anyway...🤷
From London, England, UK 🏴
"may potentially endanger pedestrians".... You are correct, but the "SAFETY" crusaders dont want to hear that argument. There have been many attempts at banning roo bars from the cities due to the potential to injure pedestrians, but bar or no bar if you step in front of a vehicle you are going to get badly hurt..
In the long distance past I have hit big kangaroos at speed in a Ford Falcon fitted with a heavy bar. It was in a remote area, and the car survived , roo not so much.
Good video. I have a modern vehicle which has a factory compliant bullbar and it's good. But given a choice I still prefer my old 80 series. The real steel bull bar on that non airbag vehicle meant even big Roos would be just bounced off. Zero damage. Sadly we don't get to choose. There's a certain irony about an exploding safety device which can kill you.
No such thing as factory compliant unless it's an ARB Smart Bar.
Crumple zones fail when you fit a steel bull bar. They are deadly
That yellow machine reminds me of your 2001 snatch strap shoot out
Those were the days👍
Now go test out that bar in the outback like Jocko and give us a real life verdict
it doesn't provide rollover protection
@@imzackson it’s a bullbar how is it meant to provide rollover protection
Well said mate haha
@@nicdinnen4759 Obviously that was a joke since joko has a history of rolling his luxy over on this show.
I love it every time you mention the shazzie
Saw the behind the scenes on Insta
Impressive. The guy from TJM actually knew the correct pronunciation of the word chassis ha ha.
Australia has so much more regulation on these things. In the USA literally anyone can zap one together from mild steel, give it a quick coat of paint, and then sell it to the public. My 4x4 has gone through 3 front bumpers because of poor quality and failures over the last 12 years, although a lot of that has Michigan winter salting to blame. The scary part is that a lot of rear bumpers are sold with class 2 trailer hitches installed which are absolutely not rated to tow anything.
I actually love america for this, your car your choice. You can pick a good brand, or a shitty brand if you just want a bull bar look. Where I live you can't even fit a bull bar legally. I replaced my bumper twice because this plastic crap crunches and falls off when off roading.
@@ark8tct Yes, public safety is very important. Anything that can endanger other motorists should be outlawed.
@@ark8tct Not to mention that I have no idea if my front bumper is going to work with my airbags properly in a severe crash.
Lots of data out there suggesting adding bullbars to cars isn't safe, BHP spent a bunch of moolah on a report and has substantial data (from accidents) backing up said report.
Extraordinary engineering and admiration for it. But terrified of a pedestrian collision with this.
At some point mate, pedestrians and drivers need to take responsibility for their own actions. Stepping out in front of a moving vehicle can be deadly. It shouldn't matter whether that's a Hyundai, a ranger or a 90 ton mack. The message shouldn't be "let's find a way for pedestrians to survive a collision with big trucks" or "let's compromise the function of the truck to make it safer for pedestrians to stand in front of".
can you boys do a video where you buy some cheap 2 wheel drive trucks and do some challenges with them. Would make a great video!
Should’ve watched this before Arnold Skipzenegger jumped into the front of my new Triton, bloody roo caused 11k damage on my 9 day old Ute. 😫 thanks for the review
That isuzu looks nice.
The ballistics gel roo feels like it’s from an episode of Mythbusters
I think you guys should do a alloy vs steel bar comparison my car is currently fitted with an alloy but I've been told my bar won't be up for 4WDING
Bull are and info great to hear about. Was amazed at the canopy going over the ladder but. Looked like it was gonna shake off the back
Had no idea so much technology is involved in the design and construction of a bull bar.
Maybe if we are going to compare an impact with a roo with and without the bar, we should use the same vehicle... a car isn't going to take the impact the same as the truck or suv the bar is built for would. I suspect they did this because when they tested the suv without the bar it did very little damage and that doesn't sell bars...
Hmm, Billions of dollars spent on crumble zones and impact testing by car manufacturers and we strap an iron girder across the front. I'd like to see ANCAP testing with a bullbar.
Thus is awesome cheers for such a good epp boys🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’ve got a Hickey enterprise on my K10 and it makes me a lot more comfortable on and off road
Very good quality bar but would like to see a fair test using the same vehicle fitted and not fitted with the bull bar. Rather than a 4x4 with a bull bar vs a sedan without.
That's the same as comparing the puntching power between a pro boxer and a regular guy of the street in comparison.
its not a test the sedan was just a shit box to demonstrate what happens with out a bar.
Last year I had an F250 coming at me head on spin out and hit me. Luckily I had a Ranchand bumper on my F250. Saved my truck from being totaled. Basically just had to repaint one fender and replace the bumper. Other truck didn't fare so well. Ended up with a Buckstop bumper now though, looks better than the Ranchand. My brother and I will always run bull bars on our F250s.
A meaningful program and I would love to see more ... Thank you, friends
Wow. Great video guys. Bloody brilliant
Some say he eats Kangaroos for Breakfast.
Others say he has won the Bathurst 1000.
All we know he is TJM's Stig.
A pontiac sunfire decided to pull a u-turn in front of my 2 door jeep while I was going 50 kph. I had a warn elite winch bumper on it. The whole front of his car was folded in, complete wrote off.
I drove away. Later found there was 10k in damage to my jeep, but it still drove just fine!
Great bumper, I got one on my R51 pathfinder, a truck backed up to me and he bent the corner of his truck bed and the only damage I had was a scratch that I clean with gas
I would have loved to have seen a load test on a bullbar that mounts with 4-6 bolts like alot of bullbars do. Tjm can go 8 ton of load, how about a comparison of another bullbar like mine for example that's only got 4 bolts holding it on - maybe mine could do 8 ton as well!
It was nice if the car without the bullbar was a 4WD too since they have the same height and come with stronger bumpers.
Pity I didn't see this before, I just got the ARB setup
ARB is just as good. There was a comparison test about 10 years ago by 4wd Monthly, 4wd247s predecessor. If it’s still any thing to go by, ARB &TJM were separated by about 1%. 👌
@@bendgeddes ah nice, well that's good to know then
Would be good to see a comparison between a new bar and a 15 year old bar..
A lot of old Bull Bars out there..
Shu Roo! Keep up the great work fellas!
Awesome video cheers Shauno🤙🏾
I'd like to see a test on MCC bullbars
Not sure what effect it would have on crumple zones and airbag deployment timing on specific vehicle models .
I get that they will make contact with Skippy at speed survivable for the vehicle , but will it make an offset collison at highway speed any less survivable for your family members ?
An offset collision with a bullbar on your vehicle is going to absolutely destroy the other vehicle. It might save your family, but it it will probably kill the other family if they don't also have a bullbar. If you both have bullbars, then probably both of your families are going to be seriously injured. The forces have to go somewhere- it's that simple. Without that crumple zone, more of the force gets transmitted to the passengers.
If you want good protection from kangaroos and other wildlife just make sure you have good insurance.
Great video. Really enjoyed this one
It's a no brainer. I recently hit a cow between Broome and Derby. Without a bull bar my troopy would have been a lot worse off.