First Look: Installing Paul's Klamper Cable-Actuated Disc Brakes - Made in the USA
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- Paul components makes botique, high-end components out of his machine shop in Chico, CA. For years, people have turned to Paul Components for custom builds and long-lasting parts. There's something special about a part that was machined from a hunk of raw aluminum. In this video we take a first look at the Klamper, the Canti Lever, and the Boxcar stem. It's pretty rare to come across components built this solid these days. I fully expect these brakes to be working perfectly in 20 years time. Learn more about these brakes here: bit.ly/3rgZY8u
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I don’t even have to watch to be excited about this review. I love my Klampers.
Yours were the first set I had tried in the wild. I can't wait to put some miles on these babies.
And you should have gone with purple. 😁 and yes Paul and the rest of their crew are soooo awesome.
@@oldshovel i showed weakness in the moment that mattered most...
We know that Rob :)
I've been running short pull clampers and getting *very* close to Code RSC performance with a couple of simple changes...upgraded the housing to Yokozuna Reaction cable housing. Then swapped out the stock pads with Swiss Stop Disc 26 E. Also oil/grease the cable end where it is held in the leaver. If you're finding that the Yokozuna is hard to bend on rear brake, you can get a noodle from them which will make the job easier. Can't say I miss the dot fluid!
"If you have eyeballs, you can figure out how this works", best line ever
I am so interested in these brakes!! Thank you for checking these out.
Those bring back memories. I have used a few of his components over the years and they never failed. As well, the machining and finish were amazing.
Thanks for the post. The components look stunning. I’ll bet they are even better in person. Thanks again and cannot wait to see the review.
Oh man, I can't wait to hear your review on these brakes!
I really like these component videos. Keep 'em coming!!
I’ve got Paul’s on my XC bike and I absolutely love them, great power, easy maintenance, and absolutely stunning looks.
Do you have short pull or long pull?
Short pull is the way to go!
I bought a pair of paul thumbees years ago and I'm still running them on my bikes. Never Failed and so simple love them. Love Pauls products I want a set of these so bad!
Cant wait to see the review and videos of you using them. I'm running Mini-motos on my Crosscheck but was looking at getting these for my bikepacking bike for the exact reason you mention. Sourcing parts around the world and easy for me to maintain myself.
Excellent vid per usual!!! Keep doing stuff like this I love to see new products being reviewed that aren't in the well know
Thanks for the feedback. I love reviewing lesser-known products. More to come...
I worked in a large bike shop in the 90s and lusted over Paul’s parts. Just way out of my budget at the time and probably a bit of a luxury today. Nice to see he’s still in the game.
Hope your recovery is going well.😀
Amazing company for sure. I live where they are made and alway nice seeing Paul out ripping on his hardtails.
I have loved every Paul Component part I have used including Klampers on the front of my gravel bike. The exception has been their dropper post lever.
Definitely a good point about the Paul stuff when you said its meant to last forever. The stuff costs a pretty penny upfront but you can move it from bike to bike to bike and still have something that works as well as when you got it. For my next set of brakes I'm definitely thinking about these if not for my geared bike then for my single speed.
I am VERY excited for this brake review.
I would love to have something this dead simple on my incoming Staton.
Awesomeness sick craftsmanship
Wow I just looked up Paul components, never even knew about them when I lived in Chico. Absolutely beautiful stuff they're making! Purple is my bikes accent color, so many temptations haha.
Paul is the og of boutique machined parts.
We put a Klamper on our Bike Friday tandem a few months back. The cable allows for disconnecting for packing and travelling. A very amazing disc brake, powerful enough for our combined 385 lbs of people and bike, and very good modulation.
Planning to install a rear Paul’s soon.
Nice, do have short pull or long pull?
Used to run Paul’s back in the day a few different products that he offered didn’t even know he had some new stuff coming out very interesting I will definitely check out these parts
These aren't exactly new, but they're not on a lot of people's radar.
I’m interesting in seeing how these play out too. I have Avid BB7’s on my both of our Surly Pugs, and want to keep them mechanical, but would potentially consider these as an option.
Great video!!!
My Pauls never let me down
Love Paul stuff 🤙
yeah , i have a set of Paul rim brakes ...
one finger braking , super nice to adjust ,..
and slap beautiful ...
Lmao @ the thought of wireless shifting. Analog for life. I'm excited to see this effort toward cable disc brakes!
I love Paul, hell yea
Thank you for the grate review, I'm going with the Klampers but didn't know which lever to buy.
I got the Paul short pull levers with the short pull calipers and they work SO GOOD!!!
You had me at "ride hardtails by choice."
I'm such a sucker for old school tech like this. I used to love the old Bridgestone bikes because they resisted going to indexed shifting. They even made a full case for friction shifting in their marketing materials.
1 plus side of friction levers was you could swap sides and have them under bar for a cleaner look,but the best 1 was simple set up :-)
BOB in the house!!! Favorite bike ever, 1993 MB-2.
@@dougnutter4372 I remember that bike. I think I first saw it after I picked up my GT Backewoods and remember being a bit envious. That Backwoods was a great bike though.
I didn’t even know these existed! Super stoked to see them but I just picked up some Magura MT5s so these will have to wait 😂 great video man :-)
interesting to see how these perform on your next review. I love a good cable disc brake, I have had Avid bb7's on my bike years ago, and still swear they are the best cable disc brake on the planet, easy adjust, easy install, and just as much if not better power, and modulation than most hydro disc's.
I ran bb7s for a while. I dug em. These are even easier to adjust than bb7s.
Super excited to see what your impression is for these brakes in trail riding. I have a set on my gravel bike, and it definitely took 5-ish rides for the pads to bed in. I think they work quite well, but haven't used them for trail riding with larger rotars.
I'm curious as well. Most reviews I've seen mainly talk about touring or gravel use. We'll see how they hold up on a mtb on some rowdy terrain.
I don't need a set of those brake levers, but I still want them.
I know what you mean...
Very interested. My complaint about most cable-actuated disc calipers has been a somewhat mushy feel at the lever. I like a solid grab point. I built up my gravel bike with TRP calipers because those have the most solid feel of any I've tried so far.
Ooo... and after looking at the website, I'm even more interested since they specifically have a Campagnolo pull option for the calipers...
simple machines put joy in the heart.... i can do all the fancy but when im not getting paid to do it i choose the simple.
I used to love running the Avid BB 5 and 7 with my SD7 levers,but on longer rides in bike parks etc the resistance in the cables does tend to give fatigue,I now run hydraulics for less resistance but I still prefer the feel of well set up cable pull disk brakes :-)
I know exactly what you mean.
Just watched your test of this brake on the Sedona downhill and watched this next. Am looking to lose hydraulics on my Bikepacking rig and go to mechanical. Love the Paul concept. Now, I'll experience the sticker shock and see if I'm willing to pull the trigger on Paul. Thanks for well done coverage of Paul. Just subbed....................
I rock em on my bikepacking bike and they totally rule!!
Top if the heap. I'm a big fan of cable pull simplicity and reliability. Especially bikepacking! If you like their brakes, try their hubs... butta!
Do you use short pull or long pull?
Nice!
I have set of Klampers on my Surly Ogre and just put a set on the Jamis Dragon One 29er I just built up. Next winter I'll get a set for my Diamondback Haanjo. Oprah said it best, "You get a set of Klampers! And you get a set! And you get Klampers!"
Do you use short pull or long pull?
Would love a set of these if they weren't so pricey - I used to run Avid bb's for trials riding and they had awesome bite, a lot of guys preferred them over hydraulic. Linear bmx cables worked nice, and dripping chain lube (not a lot) down the outer cable made them even smoother
Still using mech calipers on my hardtail...its 2 piston like trp. Paired with shimano pads its got plenty of power to lock up the high rollers i use and with jagwire cables its almost as smooth as hydraulics....
shout out my hometown Chico
Can I ask why short pull vs long pull? Looking at the descriptions on their page, it would seem to naturally choose the Love lever and long pull Klampers was curious why the recommended the short pull Kantilevers instead? I have a Ribble HT Ti coming in a few months and plan on upgrading to Paul Klampers for simplicity and ease of maintenance. Wasn't sure which way to go in terms of brake pull.
Did you ever figure this out? I have the same question.
Looking forward to the performance review. They're Paul's, so I'm sure they're good. I was thinking of doing some maintenance on my rear shock this weekend. Then I remembered that I ride a Karate Monkey and a Fatboy. So I guess I'll just ride instead. Good mechanical disc brakes would be in keeping with that theme....
I was just wondering how viable these are for proper mountain biking - reading my mind Steve!!!
A little late to the “Party” on this one! But nice vid. These brakes are fantastic. Been using them since they first came out. Love em!
Do you use short pull or long pull?
@@TheHottnickss I use the short.
Loved your review on the Fuze! Purchased one and this thing rocks! Also seen this video on the PK! Just wondered if the would fit on the rear of the fuse? 🤔 If so I’ll definitely be purchasing a set!!!
It should fit, but I haven't verified.
If a cable brake can give me the same stopping power as an hydraulic one, I'd go for the cabe 10 out of 10, so much advantages
I'm also riding hardtail 26er on a singlespeed. I've been thinking to switch to coaster brake hub for a more simplier and clean look on my bike. What are your thoughts about it? Can you make a review/test on a coaster brake hub? Thanks!
That is beautiful machining! How are these compared to TRP hybrids, if I can't get these Paul brakes?
I haven't tried the trp hybrids yet, but I'd love to. They have hydraulic fluid, so they'll probably appeal to a different audience, but I've been curious to try them.
I am very curious about these...
Can you review the giant fathom 2 27.5
Why did you choose short pull vs long pull? I want to get some of these for my touring bike before my big trip to Colombia in November.
If they have the power and feel good seem great but real question with they get all crappy and siicky like gear cables when ride in rain and mud?
Only hydrolic disk brake failure i've had is snapping mount off.
Beautiful piece of kit though
Please, please review the TRP Spyke and compare them to the Klampers. I want to know how they stack up (I use Spykes with koolstop sintered pads and XTR 950 levers).
I've tried to get spykes in the past with no luck. Paul sent these klampers because a viewers requested them. Maybe we can have some luck with trp this time around?
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On another note, how rad are these klampers? I'm so excited for them.
Cool goatie. You look like David Brent. Lol. British humour
Do you know why they recommended the canti lever and short pull klamper? I have the love levers (long pull) and want to replace my bb7s with klampers. I'm sure it will be fine, just want to know what I'd be missing out on.
I thought that it's actually better to use normal pliers for cutting brake housing instead of wire cutters. They are the right option for multi strand stuff but since brake hosing is just a single coil of wire it's better to pinch it and only cut it in one point, it gives less of a burr, or so I've been told.
raining hard here in Pine, how are the trails in Sedona today? thanks for the video, Im thinking of a brake i can service as well when I start riding the rim, its pretty remote out there!
That makes a ton of sense. I need to do more riding in the pine area. Sedona is wet right now, but not too wet to ride.
I got a sweet camera mount under my seat, perfect for B roll when I ride with others.
Hey Steve this opens up a lot of questions for me. I got my first real mtn bike in 2019 with tektro aries mechanical brakes. I was blown away how good they are compared to box store bikes with disc brakes but they aren't perfect. I eventually upgraded to larger rotors to improve modulation and power (it worked, despite what the internet said). But I still haven't had hydraulic brakes and I wonder if I should upgrade so I am really excited to get your take on these. I wonder if you would consider another mechanical brake (like the aries) in an experiMENTAL review? Thanks for the videos and good luck!
I'd like to try a few different mechanical brakes through the years. I'm always open to new experiments. Playing with brake pads is another fantastic way to improve braking.
Do both pads move on these? If both pads move and not just one, I could really see these being a good brake.
Just one pad moves. The trp spyre is the only mechanical brake i know of where both pads move. Sadly, they don't have a strong reputation for reliability over time.
Put me on toast, because I’m jelly.
You would LOVE these.
How's the modulation compared to hydraulic?
See the review video, i talk about it there.
Say you've been buying rotors on eBay. It makes me wonder how often should I be changing my rotor and why?
I have about 8 wheelsets. I almost never have to replace a rotor
Am a huge fan of mechanical brakes, but the price of these things is ridiculous, but understandable. I only use Paul Melvins for my SS bikes without sliding dropouts
I have a 25 year old bike. The brakes are starting to fail . Just bike packing for fun . How much are they?
What hex wrenches r those?
Paul's single speed hub is my next purchase its just hard to find a quite freewheel...any recommendations? If I cant find any I'm going to pull the trigger on the white industry freewheel. Thnx
Id reach out to the guys at Paul and see what they recommend. They've been doing this for 30+ years and they'll steer you in the right direction
I need to know the verdict. I could be in Chico in 2 hours ;)
Why short pull and not long?
I read somewhere that LP has these tendency to chaff on the barrel adjuster when compressed.
Have you also tried long pull?
The guys at paul recommend short pull for mtb applications. More power, shorter throw of the lever
@@hardtailparty Appreciate the response!
Clearly will go for SP then. :)
Do you use singlespeed even for bikepacking? I assume you really must like simplicity :D
I don't, but cody does.
TRP Spyke brakes are the best cable actuated brakes. They are symmetrical and use Shimano pads. They are perfect for fat bikes and other bikes where semi-truck stopping power isn't needed or where temps/conditions would fail a hydraulic brake pretty quickly.
Which other cable actuated disc brakes have you tried? I don't have any experience with the spyres, but from what I've read, they have a reputation for seizing and getting rusty over time, and sadly they aren't rebuildable.
@@hardtailparty Tried Avid/Shimano. Spykes and Sypres are mechanically the same but Spykes have have differences, including a ingress cover. Never have heard about any rust/seizures and given I use these for fat biking in the snow, I'm surprised I haven't encountered that. If Paul Components brakes were symmetrical, they would be the top on my list because I would never have to get another brake.
@@joshuarebennack68 how long have you owned your spyres? I love the design in theory.
@@hardtailparty 3 years on the fat bike. I have TRP brakes on all my bikes. Trails on the mountain bike, Spykes on the fat bike, Spyres on the road/gravel bike. I've generally found TRP brakes to be "no fuss" brakes.
@@joshuarebennack68 glad to hear you've had no issues in 3 years, that's great.
Why short pull? Not long pull? Please explain me
Interested to see how these perform. Just a comment on cable cutters, according to everyone's favorite mustachioed bike tech guru, Calvin Jones, for old school spiral brake housing you actually do want to use side cutters, because you're only cutting a single piece of metal...
EDIT - it would also be amazing to see these compared to a set of TrickStuff brakes. If I'm reading the Paul website right a complete set of Klampers and levers are around $700, and a set of TrickStuffs are ~$900, so not too dissimilar.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing that. I wonder if there's an advantage to the side cutters. I've always used cable cutters with good results. I may have to try side cutters to see how it does.
@@hardtailparty If you think of the housing as a tightly wound spring, you only cut it in place. He does recommend flexing the housing to open up the 'spring' and then you just snip through that one piece of metal...
@@chiefsilverback Makes sense, I'm just struggling to understand why it's better than a cable cutter, since a cable cutter does the same thing. Regardless, this is interesting info, and I'll give it a try sometime. Thanks for the tip!
wondering what if Paul creates a mechanical dropper seatpost
Almost all droppers are cable actuated these days. My 9point8 dropper is completely mechanical. Even if it loses pressure it'll still stay up or down when you push the lever. Pretty rad.
How would that work with a suspension fork? Does it? Wouldn't the fork move up and down changing the pull on the cable?
It still works. The housing is affixed on both ends: one at the caliper and one at the lever. It's the same way a derailleur still works on a full suspension.
@@hardtailparty Makes sense.
Hey there I clicked the link but I cant find that brown polo T you were wearing at 2:00 mins in the video? help haha :)
They've sold out. It's the dove grey motive.
These are the ones that the gravel folk love right
I'm not really plugged into the gravel scene.
@@hardtailparty seem to like them for the same reasons you do, long backpacking/touring routes so ease of repair and power. I must admit a long decent and a loaded bike id be nervous
@@joeroche552 if anything, I'd suspect theyf be better on long descents and heavy loads. There's no brake fluid to overheat and break down. These are the same brake pads as the hydraulic brakes, so they should have no problem keeping up with the heat. Since there are cable, the lever feel will remain consistent through the ride, and brakes won't get spongy. That's my theory at least
@@hardtailparty i hadnt considered fading, very good point
If you want compressionless cables, look for BMX ones. So much cheaper than “ proper “ MTB ones; transformed my BB7s for £3 each instead of 10x the price!
Great tip, thanks!
I wish I knew this earlier this summer. I spent $55 on housing and cables for my BB7s. It really did make a huge difference, though. No more spongy at the end of the lever travel means no more hand fatigue on long downhills because of pulling extra hard on the levers. Now I can only blame the rigid fork...😉
This RSD became a $5k Surly. Le Surlé.
I ride BB5s on my old hardtail, as fast as I possibly can; I'm always saying they are for slowing down, but not necessarily stopping! I'm sure the PKs (or 7s) are better. Switching back and forth from fs w/hydraulics to the BB5s requires some awareness to prevent treeplanting or otbs. Party on.
PS- Hardtail shame? What's that?
I've always wanted a set of there calipers unfortunately few years ago buddy of mine broke his levers in a crash and I ended up giving him a set of love levers I had biggest mistake I made
Nooooo. Ouch, that's gotta hurt.
I forgot about Paul Components disc brakes, I am going to have to tell a friend about them. He has had a really bad experience with hydraulic disc brakes, every single one of his bikes has had leaks at the caliper and he's fed up with them.
I actually have two sets of Paul Components Cross Stops, they're pre Vbrakes with a cam and solid bar across the top. I got them in the mid 90's and still have them
BTW how do those shirts fit, are they true to size? I wear a size large shirt with room to spare because I really don't want things too snug
The motive fits a little bit large. Of you normally wear a large and you like it a little baggy, go for the large. I usually wear size L tee shirts, and I'm wearing a medium motive in this clip.
@@hardtailparty Thanks, I am going to request a set from the Wife for our 24th Anniversary. It isn't until July, but hey, I like early gifts....lol
These are good for bike packing and stuff like that but I think because of the price I'd rather buy xt's for basically the same price.
XTs are way cheaper. Even XTRs are cheaper.
Honestly thinking about getting some. HATING hydraulic crap.
I hate hydraulic brakes, i don't ride DH, i ride trail and 2 bb7 s on 180 rotors are everything i need
I ride mechanical brakes by choice, but I have to say that on a long, rainy downhill, the lack of auto-adjust pads means your cable brakes will feel worse at the bottom of the hill than at the top.
Which cable brakes are you running? You've had the pads wear enough in a single downhill to require readjustment? That's wild.
@@hardtailparty Old (2004) Avids. That only happens in conditions where pads wear rapidly- long, wet downhills. When pads wear on hydros, the pads compensate by moving in. I don't know of any cable disc that auto adjusts for pad wear.
@English With Tim I've never had a pad wear a noticeable amount in a single run, but then again, it's not very wet here.
I’m not against having a good mechanical disc brake 🤔 May even prefer it
I'm a motorcyclist and used to bleeding brakes. To me it seems like cyclists are so afraid of brake bleeding that they forget that cable brakes need adjustment and in my experience have been far more difficult to work on than motorcycle brakes. Are bicycle hydraulic brakes somehow harder to work on?
I've been a bike mechanic for 25 years and bled hundreds of brakes. I'm not afraid of it, but I prefer these cable brakes.
@@hardtailparty Yup, this was also meant as a genuine question - I've never worked on bicycle hydraulics.
As a disabled rider, it would be nice if Paul Components had a "double pull" (one lever operating both disc brakes. I ride about 30-60 miles a day.. i have over 20k miles on my recumbent trike that i have invested over $12k into... I will pay the cost of having a quality double pull lever.. Yet quality manufacturers like Paul don't make this.
Reach out to them, you never know what they'll says
They make the duplex lever which pulls two brakes.
200 for a caliper and 3 dollar cables..30 more for jag is well worth it
I can't tell a difference.
personal experience: "compressionless" housing works MUCH better for mechanical disc brakes.
I would agree for most cable disc brakes. Surprisingly, the guys at Paul have tried both and they prefer regular housing on these.
@@hardtailparty nice! that Paul guy, he knows what he's doing.
That bike is so sexy!
They seem like typical hipster bike silliness. Choose an arbitrary technical stopping point, and then make the most expensive possible version. It's funny how the stopping points vary depending on the variety of bike hipster: road hipsters won't use any disc brakes; touring hipsters will use discs but not hydraulic; mtb hipsters will use hydraulic disc but not air shocks; single-speeders won't use derailleurs; and city hipsters won't even use freehubs. To each their own, of course, but the reasoning involved is usually more of an excuse for a fashion-based decision than a real reason.
These are machined by hand, and they take a lot of time to build. They're not arguing that everyone needs them, or that they're the cheapest or the most powerful brake on the market. Someone has to get paid to make these, and it's going to cost more than a sram or shimano brake, where they can make 500 in the time it takes to make one klamper. These are not for the budget shopper.
These are rad! I have mechanical discs on my gravel bike, maybe one day this will be an upgrade.
The gravel bike community here in my country loves these brakes for the very same reasons he pointed out...