5 easy ways to fix The Main Story In Fallout 4
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2023
- It's easy enough to tell which of the Fallout games has the weakest story... Ok it's Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, but everyone likes to complain about Fallout 4 regardless. So we decided to have a bit of fun and create another 5 easy ways to fix video, this time focusing on the main quest itself.
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I’m one of those people who still thinks the sole survivor’s back story kind of holds back the experience. If I’m a grieving father who lost his kid and his wife in short succession who will supposedly do anything to find his son, why am I traipsing across the commonwealth to purchase wood shipments so I can singlehandedly transform Boston into the east coast NCR?
The best part is when Preston says that sucks. Anyway, we have a settlement that needs help
@@pcraft8785tbh that's a pretty realistic response
yeah, i hate that
i dont want to play as a depressed parent
i wanna play as a psycho that kills anything that moves
This is why Starfield is better than Fallout 4. Silent protagonist who you can play however you want and make up their own back story.
I feel it would work better if we get synth shaun as a settler earlier in the game. It gives us a reason to build and survive, as we assume we got our son back. Then comes the quest of defeating the institure, where we learn that they are the main destabalising faction. It would make the "I am your son" plottwist a lot better, as you assumed you already found your son. You would also share in the paranoia of not knowing who is a synth and who you can trust as long as the institute remains standing.
I read a really intriguing comment where Shaun starts out as a young child instead of a baby. You spend much more time pre war doing the tutorials and you spend time bonding and teaching Shaun various life lessons and then the old Shaun makes call backs to which dialogue options you chose. Similar to the Witcher 1.
Idk why they didn’t make Shaun a young child at the beginning. If they want a player to become attached to a character in 15 mins, that character is gonna need to be able to say something to get me attached. Cooing and crying isn’t enough, especially if that baby is supposed to be the main motivator for the story
@@snoot39 truth is 15 minutes isn't enough for any game...look at Cyberpunk, we lose Jacky at the quarter mark and IDK about others I like the character but I felt nothing at his death....
now had the game been a story about the rise of V then the cementing of a legend and the heist being the downfall of V and Jacky was there for all of it, his death woulda hit much harder....
you can't just insert people into something and 15 minutes later kill em or take em away and expect us to care....that's a massive disconnect!
mass Effect 1, when Jenkins gets fragged nothing, ME2 when Garrus get's shot up I worried my ass off until he walked into the room alive....why? cus we had a game and I bonded, I gave a shit.....think I had an entire 10+ hour game for 2 or so years before ME2 came out.....
I really woulda liked to play that intro section Cyberpunk skipped over cus it woulda added to Jacky as a character, we'd have the needed history when he's actually killed to have the emotion.....also even if that section was 20 minutes it woulda worked better to show some of the low level jobs then the Sandra Dorset job being the first big job we get?
Tbh Id rather they just scrap the family thing all together. Go back to Fallout nv where you can almost be anyone you want without an annoyingly long intro like all Bethesda games except for Morrowind have
@@kakyointhemilfhunter4273I'm the opposite. I like the idea of an actual character, though, bethesda's writing isn't exactly renowned. I did want to see the story, but it what we got was definitely disappointing. Playing the life of Nick (their original concept) would have been SOOO much better. He fit their ideas (almost like he as a character was designed to) really well, and would have made the storytelling easier for them.
@@midgetman4206 As a standalone game with its own universe id agree but Fallout us about making and being your own character to me. I dont like the idea of being restricted to being a set character, even if you can make shape them a bit like Geralt in the Witcher series
You can tell Rhys that you joined the BOS as they might be the best shot at finding your son. That makes no sense when you already know to go to Diamond City and then find Nick. It makes much more sense with your idea of having the path to finding Shaun be open ended.
I think they mean more as they have the resources to make it easier. And when you say that, that's before you even make it to Diamond City.
They don't know that Nick knows anything, just that he MIGHT. Also when you get to DC he's not even there. it makes perfect sense, especially for the male sole survivor, to at that point say "fuck this" and just go join the military and figuring they would have a better shot than going running around after a detective who got himself lost or captured or killed as far as you know
For real.
I want raider jet lord ending.
'12 years since being unfrozen"
SS - "Hey shaun sorry it took me a minute to come find you. There was were these guys that needed my help and then I ended up in Maine somehow and then I blacked out somehow winding up at Disney land, and after I became their pirate king, I remembered what I was actually supposed to be doing and I started selling a shit load of jet and became the defacto water supplier 'enthusiastically' BY FORCE.
Then I remembered I'm a dad and then came to find you"
Shaun - 'rotting corpse'
SS - "AHHWW GAUGHT DAMMIT, I knew I should've skipped building that brothl/slave fight club. FWUK, oh well, I think Preston said something about another settlement needs my help.
It also makes no sense because they just showed up at the common wealth and know the least about it.
They already did it perfectly in nv why couldn't they do that again
I never really realized how much having mama murphy really just gives you such an easy breadcrumb trail to follow. Honestly, even just removing that feels like it would fix so much of the guilt of taking your time to get down there. Honestly, I don't normally get down to diamond city until I'm ready to take the castle and I feel kinda shitty for taking so long and you have to rationalize that you're trying to "get help" but you don’t need that if the future is already told to you.
I always give her enough drugs to die
I find it very easy to justify. She's a crazy old woman who's literally high when you meet her and professes to have powers a Pre-War soldier would think to be bullshit. Soldiers are taught to never assume, and hope for the best, plan for the worst.
@@curtisevans8413psychics are more friendly, but damn it was a stupid idea to put her in game so prominently
@@curtisevans8413 Exactly - psychic powers or not, from Nate/Nora's perspective she's a crackpot trying to score a fix; she even uses her "gift" as an excuse to mooch drugs off you. "Hey, you know, I can see your son is fine and in Diamond City... you wanna know more, maybe get me some Jet, huh?"
I don't think Mama Murphy is the problem as such; she could easily be replaced by anyone else simply telling the player to go to Diamond City because it's the biggest place around and someone there could likely help, and the problem would remain pretty much the same.
Instead, it would've helped if the Player was given more options at this point; Preston suggests rebuilding the Minutemen and helping settlements in order to get word out about Shaun, while the other survivors suggest Bunker Hill and Goodneighbor as places to look for information. All of which then could've pointed towards Nick or maybe the RR as further leads.
Roughly the same thing once Nick/the RR are contacted; instead of immediately fingering Kellog as the sole suspect, they could again offer some alternative options. Like actually expanding on the Gunner-lead Nick mentions but then drops almost immediately. Maybe Covenant, because there's so many strange disappearances in that region, or following up on the mystery as to why Diamond City's guards never properly investigate any kidnappings/disappearances.
Wow, that tutorial fix is actually really neat-sounding. I know it was probably spitballing, and maybe it's just that I'm tired of some of FO4's faults after playing it for 8 years now, but I really dig that prologue fix. I wonder if it would be possible to mod that into the game.
I agree and there are a lot of things here that could be modded into the game. From my observation, however, modders of the caliber that would be needed to do this are generally very concerned about compatibility with other mods. Implementing almost anything spoken about here would likely break other quest mods. Personally, I say, "screw it!" If people like those other quest mods, they can make patches or if they like those quests better than mine, they don't have to download mine. That said, I understand where other people are coming from.
@@reygunz3059 Dicking with the prologue of the game can actually mess up a few things in the base game, notably quest start scripts.
It's better, but it still sounds handholdy and I guarantee people would've hated it if we got it.
@@Bacxaber People definitely would've hated it (me included), since many people are looking for *less* tutorials, not more.
They did it in Skyrim, it wouldn't be crazy if they did it in Fallaut 4
If it was up to me I would take Saun out completely, finding your spouses killer is motivation enough to search the Commonwealth for their killer, and you can still do Kellogg to the Institute plot line. That's fixes the pacing problem because it works the same as New Vegas. Where yeah, you are looking for Benny, but it doesn't matter if you take 2 weeks or 2 years, because realistically before the player finds out that saun is old it wouldn't be realistic to assume your baby is alive 2 weeks after being unfrozen even before the time elapse of when he was first kidnapped. And Sauns whole motivation of "I wanted to see what would happen" could be done by literally any other person in sauns position after learning about vault 111 and learning that there were 2 people left alive
I think that’s too similar to the NV storyline
Time in NV and FO4 is irrelevant and nothing but an openworld mechanic. Not related to the narrative in any way.
So it doesn't matter how long you take to find Benny or Shaun.
As Nick points out no one would casually break into a vault to take a specific infant on a whim. Without information and intent.
It's a very safe bet for the SS to assume Shaun is alive and still an infant until they meet Nick and Nick mentions that Kellog had a 10 year old boy with him which Kellog then vaguely alludes that Shaun is older than the SS remembers which further reinforces that idea.
So now we think 10 years have passed.
Until we make it to the institute and learn the truth.
It was perfectly written and makes sense.
@VaultArchive72 I suppose, but the whole thing still makes the pacing weird, like yeah I'm looking for my kid who got kidnapped by the person who killed my spouse, but I'll stop what I'm doing to literally build you a town
You can do it without Shaun by having the couple planning to have a kid, and then during the first Kellog cutscene they wake up just as they've started to refreeze and find out a procedure was carried out on them, witness Kellog and the tech doing something to the other spouse, which results in the shooting, and so on. Later on they find out that what happened was the extraction of egg and sperm, and thus they have a child out there somewhere. Spend time in the prologue establishing that the pair really wanted a child, and you've got the "I have a kid and that's all that's left of my loved one" and you get a main plot.
@@VaultArchive72 It makes no sense if you and your character have a brain. It was literally the first thing in my mind. "I was frozen! I have no idea how long ago the kidnapping happened" but the protagonist is too braindead to even think about any of this. And Kellog implying Shaun is much older than expected should really open that whole question up even for a braindead protagonist.
Pacing is off. I agree it should have been just about revenge. The plot is weak as hell anyway and just changing it to this would only make the game a better sandbox.
My biggest pet peeve is that the SS can build a teleporter with around 40 energy, a couple of typewriters and the crayon scribbles of a mutated biologist that are deciphered by Sturges, who wasn't able to hack a novice locked computer the first time you meet him. Nothing against shortcuts to move a story forward but what a wasted opportunity:
Instead, let the SS meet Mama Murphy, let them find Nick, Kellog, and Virgil asap, maybe even streamline that part even more to make it shorter. However, Virgil is a dead end for now - "Dammit Jim, I'm a geneticist, not an engineer!" The Sole Survivor needs to gather the smartest people of the commonwealth. They can either run around and play collect the geeks and then find an adequate energy source - the Prydwyn, Mass Fusion, Poseidon Energy, Nuka World power plant - or build a settlement that is sophisticated enough to provide for the needs of the genius mind and make them come to you - "If you build it, they will come"
This way, you'd have a middle part both for people who love the settlement building system and for those who loathe it and just want to explore the world. And the teleport, which is outstanding tech even in the Fallout universe, isn't some gimmick that you can copy in your garage.
SS? the waffen SS are in the game?
@@angeloluna529 Sole Survivor..
@@angeloluna529hahahaha
Thinking about how the game would be better is more fun than playing it at times isn’t it
And it could be a uniting force for all the above ground factions! Sure you could do missions after the fact that play into faction wars, or you could further alliances, or just side with the institute and wipe them all out systematically.
I wish Bethesda had just a slight stroke of nuance between the lot of them
what they should have done is had a longer prologue with some pre war quests and daily life.. a few hours of this to get to know the characters and feel for them (like you said)... maybe get to know your neighbours and later have some sad poignant moments finding out what happened to them etc.. BUT... have an option to start the game and SKIP that whole prologue thing if you want for subsequent playthrus... decide with one button if you want to start in pre war sanctuary right at the beginning, or in the vault.. or even start after leaving the vault in the apocalypse.. this would make it less boring for people who have already played many many times and dont want to have to go thru this long linear prologue process
Maybe have the skip button be turning off the TV and have a prompt come up to skip
there are so many games that I love that I refuse to replay just because I'm tired of working through the intros... pretty much the entire Mass Effect Trilogy comes to mind.
@@Theegreygaming in fallout 4 i dont mind the vault bit after the war.. its the whole house intro and talking bit while in the chambers i find boring.. especially when ur just starting to test out some mods or something.. although i think there are mods that allow u to skip and start outside.. ive never used one... any good ones come to mind?
@@tigrecito48 I wouldn't know, I play mod-free.
@@tigrecito48 "Start Me Up Redux - An Update for Alternate Start and Dialogue Overhaul" on Nexus
A small change to the prologue tutorials, but instead of building a shed, why not have you scrap and repair the fence at the back of the house? That would give you the scrapping mechanic, and you'd still get the snap-to building tutorial because you're putting it back.
I'd also have it so that it's Codsworth's brand-new fusion core that's ready to install - you just need to put the components together at the workbench - that gives Codsworth plenty of juice for 210 years - you could even have the spouse/sole survivor make a comment that they'd never need to spend a fortune fuelling Codsworth again - gives you both the rampant inflation issue and explains how Codsworth is still working centuries later.
Finally, ageed that the soldiers should actually point their guns at you when the Sergeant warns you away; gives a sense of paranoia and the stakes of the martial law being declared.
Otherwise, love the idea of Kellogg making a comeback, and having the defined protagonist have a bit more personality. Either that, or just remove the backstory in the vault and have the Sole Survivor wake up, having witnessed a murder across the way - I'd prefer the backstory, but the amnesiac protagonist is an age-old Bethesda tradition (well, for the Elder Scrolls)! :P
I actually like Codsworth being an established member of the family, it makes alot of dialogue with him after the war much more meaningful
I think that's a neat idea, not having the protagonist being related to Shaun or the parent. You just witness a murder and a kidnapping, which tells you enough about the perpetrators that it's clear that they're bad guys. You'd then start the game with no clear thread to follow, but figuring out who the bad guys are is an option.
You could still track down Kellogg, much in the same way you would in the basic story, but he could be impressed that a "popsicle" from the vault managed to do that and offer you a job. Without any emotional attachments, joining with the bad guy seems like a genuine player option.
You could then have a whole Institute quest-line that slightly varies from the original story. Such as finding Virgil, not to get information, but to assassinate him, etc. You'd act as an Institute secret agent with a mission to destroy/subjugate the Railroad, Minutemen and Brotherhood by infiltrating them and doing their questlines, or optionally betray the Institute in favor of a different faction, or never join them in the first place.
Kellogg calling you the backup could mean that Kellogg learned Sole Survivor's history through Vault tec terminal so he knows you will be able to make it and destroy institute which what his real goal should've been, Nick getting Kellogg inside of him would be a great plot too and eventually you help Nick getting rid of kellogg
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I never noticed this until my most recent playthrough, but in Kellogg’s final memory, you can hear the radio talking about Piper, implying that it is very recent.
Which doesn't jibe with Shaun's age. I heard that too.
That's one of the reason for my headcanon that Father is lying 🤷♂️ I think the majority of his story is accurate but that Shaun was disposed of during the process. They didn't care about the Sole Survivor, but upon seeing him tear apart the wastes looking for the kid, Father thinks "Damn. Gonna need a backup plan in case he gets down here." And then bam, the lie is born
@@Chino429 being that the institute is advanced enough to make a robot look exactly like a person, they can surely transfer memories from one to another which likely explains synth Sean
@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer agreed! I feel like they missed a really big story opportunity through all of this. Having Sean also be deceased would have been a turning point for the Sole Survivor, where they can choose to focus on healing and growth and whatnot, if they truly believe the Institute could be what's best for the Wasteland, or a chance to go full scorched Earth on them
@@georgeblair3894that's synth Shaun tho
Huh, the way you described these fixes actually sounds like something I'd want to play. With the companions, I'd also think that they would have to be overhauled, like different companions would give different advice. Like Hancock would probably want you to find your child to get closure, and companions like Gage would suggest the opposite. It would give more nuance to the story. On a related note, The Sole survivor should be able to tell characters things that relate to said characters, like Hancock and how he was actually right in thinking his brother was replaced. It's really bothersome that you can't do that.
I like the notion too that when you wake up Saturday morning, you've overslept and it's the sound of the sirens going off that wakes you up. If you do that opening tutorial idea, however, it definitely has to be a skippable area. I could see that becoming very tedious for people on their 15th playthrough
Have an option after the in car character creation to wake up in the vault.
What if Sean was dead the whole time? Almost seems like that would be a more emotional reveal than "I'm old Sean!"
I belive that is the case, the Institute we uncover in the game is a faction that wo8uld carve up every cell of Shaun for their research, they did sabatoge all other pods and Kellog refered to the SS as a backup.
That's one of the reason for my headcanon that Father is lying 🤷♂️ I think the majority of his story is accurate but that Shaun was disposed of during the process. They didn't care about the Sole Survivor, but upon seeing him tear apart the wastes looking for the kid, Father thinks "Damn. Gonna need a backup plan in case he gets down here." And then bam, the lie is born
Danse should have the option to join the minute men after his excile from the brotherhood!
You can finish the minutemen quest with him, and he’ll help you finish nuclear option; but you have a good point. I love that guy but Bethesda literally left his character arc at half way
Haven't watched the video yet, but one of the biggest problems with Fallout 4 is that you can't really say no. When someone asks for help and you say no, they tell you the problem and you get the quest marker anyways. They'll just say it in a more negative way.
One of the most annoying issues is when you meet Piper, and she wants to know why you're at Diamond City. If you tell her no/none of your business (I forget the exact dialogue tbh) she just keeps repeatedly asking till you tell her you're looking for your kid. It's so annoying. I wanted to ignore the whole kid thing that play through. You can't. It needs to be an option in dialogue that your character doesn't care.
In New Vegas and Fallout 3 you were never forced to ask where Benny or your Dad is. But you can. But you don't have to.
Yeah, I know what you mean, but in New Vegas, some people will still give you a quest even when you say no. They just say "oh I'll just leave these directions with you in case you change your mind".
@@eddieprieto6511 There's very little motivation to find benny or the chip, little to no buildup for either and none for the character you play and you don't start to get the answers you should've already had until late in the early game.
I wanted to avoid the whole Reaper thing in Mass Effect but everyone I talked to kept bringing it up.
What a horrible RPG.
@@VaultArchive72 except Fallout is a sandbox game and was sold with the idea of player freedom, while Mass Effect is linear and always was. Completely different games and a braindead comparison.
@@VaultArchive72 Absolutely stupid comparison. Mass effect has a completely linear story with a choice between two and a half extremely well defined and also linear character archetypes to choose between in terms of how to play shepherd.
I think you should make a video on how to change the nuka world dlc. Its something i have been thinking about for a long while. As nukaworld has a lot of potential for every faction, but also the reverse makes sense where as a raiderboss, you might want to take out literally all other factions. Nuka world had so much potential if they had more overlap with the main game.
if fallout 5 is ever made id love to see consequences to your actions and a continually evolving world (with some random changes).. for example... you free some settlers from a raider attack.. maybe when u go back to the settlement it is now prospering.. or maybe some other raiders affiliated with the previous raiders have taken revenge and you find all the settlers murdered.... maybe that poor guy trading a few scraps in the tunnel near hangman alley gets slightly richer every time you trade with him... u buying stuff makes him later have more stuff to sell next time, and he looks slightly healthier... he gradually says more & more friendly stuff, you build a relationship and start to see him expand his home... but suddenly, the next time you go there, you find him dead.. murdered for the caps you helped him gain.. this would make you feel sad.. you've lost someone u saw over time doing well for himself.. you might feel guilty... was it my fault they killed him? if id just left him be poor and not traded with him, maybe he'd still be alive? things like this would make you actually FEEL something for the people in the world.
Fallout 5 will probably be reskin of starfield with only one planet and a boat instead of a spaceship with more load screens than grains of sand on the beach
I want to know this.... If Shawn knew I was "awakened", why didn't he program the synths NOT to try and kill me? Wouldn't he put an automatic DON'T shoot my mother program in them?
He was testing you to see if you'd be useful. He even admits that your unfreezing was an experiment. That is why you are used as an enforcer for the institute rather than an actual leader or infiltrator.
Edit: Shawn admits he didn't really care about you having gotten over being kidnapped long ago.
He is a sociopath testing his parent's determination and love.
He's never met you so he has no attachment to you.
He feels nothing for the death of the other parent.
He's exactly the kind of person you'd expect from being raised in a place like the Institute.
@@VaultArchive72that's one interpretation. I think you're giving the writers too much credit. He also says he put Kellog in the SS's path for them to kill Kellog as a measure of revenge against Kellog for both of them.
I don't think that's a lie, I think he's written so inconsistently these clashing ideologies are equally genuine.
He also had 50+ years to get the SS out of cryo, but left you there for no discernable reason. Playing the "I'm your son" card only when convenient to him is why shaun never survives in my playthrough
One other small thing I'd change, is not having Preston be the last of the Minutemen. Have there be a small group, like 3 that are still alive. He's the last one that's not a private. You've got Sturges, Jun and Marcy Long, and I'd add another pair, maybe a brother and sister who are young and both are frightened. Maybe one wants to help but Preston keeps telling them no. The other two minutemen would have names as well, a boy and a girl, and one would have a laser musket, the other a laser pistol. You could have the option to give that person the laser musket from the other dead minuteman. Those two are on the door, aiming to protect it, while Preston shot out the front.
Mama Murphy could work as someone who looks at you and knows that you're too fresh-faced to be from around here. Talking about your aura. She could mention that there are a few roads to help, but she gets interrupted as more Raiders come. You and the others have to fend them off as you run. No one dies, but her, as she talks about seeing her own death. The deathclaw is changed to a Yao Guai, rising up and killing a raider, before it chases after the group. She stays, to defend say Jun, and a raider shoots her as the Yao Guai gets her. Leaving it a bit unknown which killed her first. Either way, the others run and you have to kill everything else while defending the group.
From there, you have 3 people able to do security, 2 farmers, 2 shop workers and someone able to help rebuild. A change I'd impliment is having Sturges, and some random settlers, be able to scrap items in the overworld for you. Doing so passively, so you don't have to worry about it.
This just occurred to me. On the terminal that was used to open Nick or Nora's Cryo-pod, there could be a "Last Accessed" command. (Which is not beyond the realm of possibility). There, now the SS can see that the Cryopod of the spouse was opened in 2227 (if my math is correct), and his or hers was opened in 2287
This could be put behind a high level hack too, so you’d need to go back to the Vault to see it and realize what happened
Nate.
@@VaultArchive72 I call him Nick myself all the time. I grew up watching The Thin Man movies that my grandparents loved. Nick and Nora Charles. Little Nicky their son. And Asta, the dog. Bethesda blew it by not naming the SS Nick instead and making that connection.
I always thought the pacing issue could be solved by simply cutting the scene where we witness our spouse getting shot. Just cut to our pod opening and the one opposite is just empty. Both are gone. That way we can reasonably assume that they are together somewhere, and the mystery is simply "why?" Then, the death of your spouse and the missing son becomes a twist during the Memory Den sequence that adds urgency for the second half of the journey. If you want to role-play as a aimless wanderer, you don't have to advance the story that far, and maybe you can choose dialogue options that imply that we assume they're already dead for immersion.
Mama Murphy could simply be replaced by a "wise leader" that suggests different leads that might get you what you need. "There's a detective in Dimond City who's very good at his job, a crime boss in Goodneighbor with a lot of connections, and Bunker Hill is full of traders who like to gossip." The correct answer is still eventually the detective, but at least you have a choice for how to get there, and not a (almost literal) magical compass pointing straight to Dimond City.
I never quite realised how short fallout 4 was because I just completely ignored the main plot line out of lack of care to the plot, it was so much more fun to just, run around shooting random things and upgrading stuff than, idk, actually finding your son
I think Kellog should have been a decrepit old man when you meet him. He doesn’t resist if you try to kill him. That’d make it a more interesting choice for defining your character. How you extract the info you need and whether you kill him or not.
He killed your spouse and kidnapped your baby.
His age is irrelevant. There's only one valid response to his actions.
Yeah, the Kellogg timeline is all jacked up. If Father is in his late 50s, then Kellogg would have to be in his 80s at least. My grandad was 90 when he died. I dont think even he, still a pretty fit guy who was a WW2 combat vet, could have put up that fight in Fort Hagen vs Nick and the Sole Survivor.
@@jefferydraper4019 It's suppose to be that the cybernetics that the Institute have put into him have slowed his aging down (he's officially 108 at the time of Fort Hagen) even though we never get any indication that anyone else uses cybernetics, no matter that many of the other Fallout games offer some version. The fight is actually tough only due to the stealth boys Kellogg have and Dogmeat having a very low dps if he's your companion then.
@jefferydraper4019 They should have made the Kellogg Fort Hagen fight reveal that this one is a Synth, tying the Synth paranoia into the MQ, a more convincing way to have a ‘young’ Kellogg fight you sixty years after the murder and kidnapping, and perhaps a better way to have Memory Den scene play out.
Another idea for a good prologue is to make a tutorial in army for a male SS. Easy way to introduce power armor, different weapons and combat in action. We all know that Nate is an army veteran so it makes sense to me.
The same for a female SS. We're veterans too.
@@SwearMY But Nora isn't. Last time I played as her, I decided she came from a military family, so she learned from her dad and brothers, but no actual experience. I imagined her having a whole trauma episode the first time she had to machete a Raider. Which made it all the funnier 100 levels later when she ruthlessly killed all three sides at Bunker Hill, shot her own son, and began exterminating everyone in the Commonwealth who was the least bit shady.
@@stevenscott2136 What I am saying is that Nora should be able to be a veteran too.
@@SwearMYshe shouldn't. You really think a 50s retrofuture would let women into the military?
It’s a Bethesda game so yes
I'll watch later. But what I did thought was absurd was how well made was the dlc far harbor compared with the main quest. The island could tell a more interesting history with more enjoyable groups than the main history.
Dima was way better than the railroad.
For the BOS, you could add some quests that show off Maxon as being somewhat evil/unfit to serve as elder. Maybe have him stomp some settlements into the ground or something so that they can aquire food/resources. After a few of these missions you can convince Danse to challenge Maxon in his role as Elder. You assist Danse and Danse replaces Maxon if you win, if you lose, Danse dies and you are exiled from the brotherhood. If Danse takes over, you eventually get another quest where you are attacking some instute synths led by a courser, before the courser dies, he tells you that they were sent to retrieve a rogue synth: Danse. They then confirm that Danse is a synth using the medical facilities on board the prydwin. You can use this connection to help the Brotherhood, Railroad, and a Reformed Institute team up with the Minutemen acting as a mediary force to hold them together. You could have quests to "convince the other factions to work together" which would depend on how much the sole survivor had helped them. The Institute raid would could go one of three ways, you either blow it up as per the existing story, take over the institute, capturing or killing the synths/scientists there, or if the player is the leader of the institute at this point, you could work to reestablish them as a positive force, stopping the kidnappings, getting rid of the "evil elements" and allying them with the other factions as stated before. The Railroad would become the new SRB, acting to help resecure synths who were having issues or going on killing sprees, the Brotherhood would act as the muscle alongside gen 1 and 2 synths to defend the commonwealth from Raiders, Ghouls, Supermutants, etc, the Minutement would help build settlements, and the Institute would conduct research to help the world recover. A true "everyone who deserves to win, wins" ending.
I still want an option to beat the game with the nuka world raiders once you become overboss though. That would be awesome as an alternate "evil ending"
It seems Bethesda thought about letting you get to the point of leading the BOS and blew it off. I think taking over all 4 factions, like you could in Skyrim, would have been the best option for the Commonwealth. making all 4 work at making The Commonwealth a better place.
Idea: longer prologue, start off strong with nate in a battle in power armor during the war. Fast forward to meeting Nora, the player starts to establish an emotional connection, maybe even let the player flirt with Nora a bit. Cut to Sean being born, and finally end with the initial fo4 sequence. Then remove power armor from the museum of freedom.
The last thing Fallout 4 needs is a LONGER prologue. There is nothing more discouraging from playing this game than the hour long intro sequence with almost nothing people care about after the very first play through
@thee8904 Fallout 3 has a long prologue, and that is excellent.
I think it would be cool if they had both spouses in the military and they meet on the battlefield fighting together
@@ErichZornerzfunnot everyone's cup of tea too.
@@ErichZornerzfunnot really
I mentioned this on another video, but Nora was supposed to be a veteran herself, a lieutenant. The voice lines are still in the game data files. There's a mod that re-enables the voice lines, and she gets different voice lines than Nate, even a different military ID number (where it's appropriate).
This is an amazing idea, so well thought-through.😍
I would for real love to see this as a mod for the game.
I really like all these changes, but if I could add one more. I would get rid of the scene where Kellogg kills your spouse and steals Shawn. Imagine instead going through the Pre-war section, getting frozen in the Vault, then waking up to find your spouse clearly shot, your child missing, and all the other Vault dwellers dead in their pods. Now there's the chance your kid made it out of the Vault so you get out into the world and start looking. This gets you to the Minutemen, who don't know any specifics, but every settlement you visits keeps talking about this "Diamond City" place and maybe look there. Once you find Nick, do some missions with him to find people who claim to have seen a group come and go from Vault 111. But they all point you in the same direction. Talk to the Railroad. Maybe the Railroad could reach out to you. You meet up with them and they have the info you need but will only give it to you if you do some work for them. So they send you to the Switchboard to rescue their other agents. Once done, they give you their intel. That Deacon was tailing the institute when they went to Vault 111 and he watched Kellogg come and go from the Vault. Add some more sleuthing missions with Nick and/or the Minutemen/Railroad until you find Kellogg's location at Fort Hagen. You go there but it's locked down and heavily fortified. You need an army to get in. Now you have to go talk with the Brotherhood and they'll agree to send some soldiers and specialists to aid you but you have to help them first. Now you do Show No Mercy not as a Brotherhood recruit but as cannon fodder. They then help you take Fort Hagen but stop before the finally confrontation with Kellogg because they only care about the tech hidden at the base. You're not a member and they've achieved their goal. You confront Kellogg and he starts hinting at what really happened but refuses to say anything concrete. You could kill him and take his implant or if you're persuasive enough, you can talk him into owning up to what happened. At the moment you do his head suddenly explodes and Fathers voice comes on the PA system. Commending your journey to get there and warning you not to investigate any further. While eyes flash onto every monitor and screen in the room. The Institute was watching you the entire time. Now imagine going through Kellogg's memories and seeing the murder of your spouse at this point in the game. Learning all at once that they were murdered by Kellogg, he kidnapped Shawn and that you already took care of him. But wait, that finally memory showed Kellogg with a 10 year old kid who was named Shawn and kinda looked like you. He handed that kid off to some group called the Institute. You've only heard rumors and gossip about them until this point. Hearing that they kidnapped and replace people. Did they kidnap my kid, and if so why? Have 10 years passed since the abduction? Is my kid older than I thought. Now you need to team up with one or more factions to find out. The Minutemen gain intel through numbers. Every settlement adds eyes to a search party. The Railroad already has a double agent in the Institute. Maybe they can get intel out from the source. The Brotherhood have a lot of advanced tech and fire power. Maybe they have the surveillance capabilities to find the Institute and force their way through when they do. Now we have an organic reason to meet with each faction and do an intro quest for them. Learning a bit about how each faction operates and how they tackle problems while keeping some mystery as to whats going on and who's pulling who's strings.
Usually these kinds of videos aren't my favorite and wasn't going to watch this video despite liking all of your other work. People, with the benefit of hindsight and infinite imagined development time often come up with outrageously challenging intricate ideas that just weren't and aren't practical to add to a game. But these all feel like they were very doable and I'm kind of surprised at how well you were able to round out some of the rough edges of the story here without enormous game or story reworks. Great job man, thanks for your well thought out video! Wish we'd have gotten a more satisfying resolution to the Kellogg stuff you identified, and the new tutorial you came up with is fantastic.
That's sort of where I try to take this series: simple changes of direction during development that would have taken close to the same amount of time and effort, or something that could have been accomplished with just a short extension in dev. it's easy to say "they should have done this" but unless you're playing within the bounds of what's already been set by the rest of the game, it's usually just not feasible.
My question is, why do you need kellogg's memories, you learn nothing of value other than the location of virgil and the institute uses teleportation. Which is something which vergil tells you anyway. While kellogg was given a mission report showing vergil as a target for the institute. Which you could gone straight to the glowing sea. It's only left in because of a Nick side plot which was cut anyway...
I see what you're saying, but simply stumbling into Vergil would be extremely frustrating and unsatisfying. Giving breadcrumbs is necessary to make the storyline good. That said, they certainly could have used another means for a breadcrumb, but the real reason it's there is because the Nick-Kellogg story was obviously cut relatively late-too late to rewrite the main quest.
I believe the Kellog-Nick thing has something to do with an early version of far harbor. On the topic of Virgil, just finding the mission briefing would be enough to give the SS his rough location. On Kellog's corpse, terminal, house, ect. Apparently there are friendly Children of Atom in the glowing sea that can point you to him, but I've never explored it.
That also leads to so many plot holes. The story is high school level writing at best. So many holes and I wonder if they did a first draft and said yep... it's done
@reygunz3059 , if dogmeat brought you to Fort Hagen, only find kellogg's left heading towards his next target, a farm on the edge of the glowing sea, who made claims to a caravan trader (trashcan carla) . They had offered food and shelter to friendly, intelligent supermunt for the night. If you kill kellogg and save the farm from the institute attack. They will direct you towards the children of atom settlement who they trade a lot with. Otherwise, the trail goes cool, forcing you to search the glowing sea blind. ...Would be an easy fix.
@@stevenstocker9873 I think giving the player free reign to explore the glowing sea would be an interesting quest stage. On a blind run it could stand out and be a nice challenge, but fairly easy on repeat runs.
The suggestion of the tutorials in the prologue make sense because a similar thing was implemented in Fallout 3, how you age up and do new things each time you get older.
With multi-faction endings, we already saw it in New Vegas and storming the institute with the minutemen and railroad reminds me of the battle of Hoover Dam with the NCR and Brotherhood, or Legion and Khans, or any other combination of support.
I'm only half way through the video and that tutorial rewrite is music to my ears, it sounds so perfect it makes the actual one look even worse lol
Only detail I'd change is either make it start Thursday Oct 21st in the afternoon as the sole survivor comes back from work and make up something to make them take Friday off postponing all those things to Friday, or have the game still start on Friday Oct 22nd but have them leave work early.
The reason I'd change that is simply because all those tutorial things sound like a lot of things to do after coming back from work lol, unless the character left work early or took Friday off and all those things take place Friday 🤷♂️
I feel like the bigger issue here is how much all this stuff would cause the opening to drag out.
Starting new characters is already kind of a chore in the 'short' version we have.
An alternate start that skips the prologue and tutorials would be good, too. Even if it's just one option, like being the sole survivor of the attack on University Point where Kellog was obviously in charge of attacking. That would leave room for much more roleplay. You can track down Kellog for revenge if you want or stumble into the Institute from the path of one of the other factions, all without the time-sensitivity of a kidnapping trying to pull you away from general character storybuilding.
That prologue fix had me invested and it was just you narrating it, imagine the real thing
Im going to throw a pretty random comment out here because some may find it amusing...
I have played over 3000 hours on fallout 4...
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...and ive never finished the main story...
All i can say is Adhd is one hell of a beast when it come to open world games 😅
I think the intro sequence you made was a really good idea. I was feeling immersed just from the description
Now I am more curious about what potential dlc faction endings for the main quest would look like. How the Mechanist/the Overboss take over the Commonwealth.
I have watched all your faction and gameplay videos. Your changes are excellent and leave me seeing a whole lot of missed opportunities. Fallout 4 was my first fallout game and my first open world roll playing game so I didn’t notice this stuff at first but on tons of replays I really understand how your fixes would definitely improve the story. My least favorite faction is the RR and under the direction you took I would choose them ahead of most of the other options
thank you for your kind words and support.
It doesn't help that the RR is the only faction that you are absolutely forced to deal with. That could be handed off to the ladies in the Science Center which currently is only there to introduce an alternate to repair Liberty Prime.
I would love to see 5 easy ways to improve side quests. I found this channel recently and I’ve been loving your videos.
I always believed that, if you went the Institute route and changed a lot of policies, that the SRB would go rogue and become some thing of a new antagonist in story.
RR and MM alliance makes way more sense then having them be separate entities. Honestly I would make Gunners the fourth faction instead of the RR.
I also had this idea that, due to the loss of their spouse and child, the SS would eventually turn darkside and become the Overboss of NW. Having a canon protag turn badguy would make for an interesting bit of lore. Hearing your version of the end game where you bury your loved ones and then march off fits very well with that idea :)
The Gunners should have been a more morally grey minutemen alternative.
And the RR just shouldn't have been a proper, major faction. Siding with them makes no goddamn sense. They don't have the manpower to stabilize the Commonwealth and the fact that they blew up the main method of Synth (re)production means that the oppressed minority they champion as their only real ideological motivation will certainly be almost completely extinct in 30 odd years.
But did you visit Greygarden? It is amazing it's really run but robots, juts robots. Also, I'm shocked that there are spoilers and even more shocked that its 9 years since I played F4 the first time, damn time goes fast.
Incredibly well made and put together video. Props
I feel like Nick is set up to be a series long companion, we’ve had some characters before but Nick is the only one I fully expect to be in Fallout 5.
So refreshing to see an objective take on the problems with Fallout 4; for the record, I would so love to see everything in this video implemented in a mod. I just can't make a mod of that scope or I would have already. That's another story...anyways, I love the objectivity and civility you maintained whilst adding just enough humor to keep the analysis engaging. Well done!
Someone needs to make a mod based on this..
It really wouldnt have taken much to put FO4 in the running for best fallout game. As you said mechanically it is already there. Granted it would probably have taken another 6 months of development but the framework was already there. Personally I would have moved Preston Garvey farther away from Sanctuary so the player had time to breathe and explore before finding the Yes Man route. I also would have loved to have more dialogue options with the Institute when you are getting setup as its leader. While you could view the Institute as evil, I prefer viewing them as scientists without competent management oversight. A few options to call them on their stupidity and set you up for moving the Institute on the right path or even the option to go full evil and talk about amping up human experimentation.
In what way is the framework there?
The game is a mess the skill system is horrible the factions suck, the guns are unrealistic.
@@Ma1q444 mechanically its the best Fallout game in pretty much every respect. Also if you want realistic guns, might I recommend cod
@@90kalos1 I mean I can say that for every game of course it’s technically the best fallout because it’s made on superior hardware.
It's the second best Fallout game in terms of ratings.
Behind FO3 and ahead of FNV.
In terms of financial success it's Number 1 with FO3 in second place and NV in third.
Wow, great content. Stumbled upon this channel looking for Fallout content & I must say you’re one of the best! Instantly subscribed lol.
I'm a new subscriber, but your channel is great, I love the Fallout 4 content. From one vet to another, great job
That’s a better start to the game, than what we got. Good job.
Personally, I never felt rushed. When I do a playthough I treat fallout 4 realistically. Beat kellog find out the institute has my son so now I venture out into the wasteland and help the minutemen gather the largest force in the commonwealth and take on the institute.
This is great! I needed the laughs this morning, too.
This is pure gold. Especially the prologue stuff.
Your suggestion for the intro to the game reminds me of how Fallout 3 was done in introducing core gameplay mechanics while connecting the player to their family/friends and the condition of things. I like it.
I have almost 1000 hours in Fallout 4 and just remembered when watching this video that I saw the ending cutscene exactly once. When I played through the game back in 2015. Ever since then I've never gotten interested enough in the whole plot to interact with it more than necessary.
Regarding a peaceful ending for all factions; I wish that if you sided with the Institute you could replace key members of opposing leadership with synths, similar to replacing High Confessor Tektus in Far Harbor. Not only would it provide a peaceful ending without being unequivocally good, it would also help to provide justification towards the Institute’s evil method, as well as showing them as a much more deadly threat to humanity.
Loved making the opening a longer tutorial system, there’s tons of fun mechanics I had to learn the hard way
Good god that rewrite of the prologue to use the tutorial time as character building is beautiful.
Great video as always! Though I wish you tackled Nukaworld, and Far Harbor. Like for example in Nukaworld you could have the faction you sided with you assault the massive raider complex for multiple reasons. For the Minuteman its about regional security and creating a brand new trading hub. Heck they could even recruit reformed gunners like the farm near that haunted mansion giving the minuteman more depth. They already can recruit institute remnants. For the Brotherhood of steel, there is a literally cloning machine spiting out gator claws, and galactic zone robots going nuts. Neutralize those bloodthirsty raiders and secure the technology for a small example.
In Far Harbor I can imagine giving Dima power enough to make a new ending for the institute, like him joining forces with the railroad, but instead of blowing it up, he demands that his people can leave with the technology to created/preserve existing synths, or literally live there as equals, and create a new philosophy.
Listening to your story about your prologue was more touching than the actual prologue
Really liked the tutorial fix, and bonus for spending more time in the prologue. I like seeing how the world was before the end. Also like the idea the female may have been a JAG which would go nicely with a mod that makes the female survivor a veteran. It would make more sense since she knows about weapons, survival, PA training, etc. Yes Nate could have taught her these things, but I like the female veteran idea.
I feel like the pre-war tutorial idea is a good idea but I definitely think it should be skippable on future playthroughs
As much as i love fallout 4, the more i play it the more i see so many flaws and inconveniences that couldve been fixed so easily and wouldve improved the game so much. It sucks too because i always want to play it but when I do, i basically get to a point where i start disliking things or mechanics or small things and it makes me not want to play. It really sucks because I'll never forget my first playthrough, absolutely mind blowing and its been very hard to recreate that feeling again in newer playthroughs
Alot of the mechanical issues can be smoothed over with mods.
You're basically stuck with the absolutely braincell annihilating writing no matter what though. Pretending it's satire kinda helps a bit.
Imo there is no need to kill Mama Murphy. I usually just play Nate as someone who ignores her and considers her crazy (believing she overheard Nate's talk with Preston and guessed where he had come from). Like, you know, a normal person probably would treat a bag lady (which she resembles) in real life. Moreover, I play him as a lackadaisical father who really doesn't give two shoots about his son (making it easier to turn against him when the player finally meets the evil old man he has become) and while talking a good game is secretly relieved not to have to deal with raising an infant son all by himself. Hardly a stretch for someone who might side with the Institute after all or, even worse, the raiders of Nuka World.
The prolonged prolog sounds like it would be really boring for new players, and even worse for more experienced ones. Also, the prolog as we have it makes it easier to shrug off the tragedy of Nora's death enough to just move on to be the hero of the story (itself perhaps a coping mechanism to deal with the losses).
The self-awareness I assume anyway in my gameplay; allowing me to do whatever quests in whatever order I feel like. I don't need a game mechanic to help me do it. The game is just vague enough that I can do it on my head without really contradicting anything other than Nate's tough talk about finding his son (to me it's all just a tough guy act). Do like the idea of giving the dead spouse a proper burial though.
The Kellogg idea is definitely one I would have liked to see; especially as Nick is by far my favorite NPC let alone companion and I would genuinely be emotionally invested in not letting any harm come to him (especially as he got into that fix in the first place from helping me first). The multi-faction idea as well. One reason I almost always side with the Minutemen is so that only the Institute winds up needing to be destroyed; the Minutemen have no reason to attack (or be attacked) by the other two.
I do agree that Fallout 4 is a great game that still needs a few tweaks here and there to make it even better though.
Building a shed is genius. Maybe that Sgt is a friend of Nate or Nora and allows them to help with the power armor. Really great video Grey!
I absolutely love this. The ending scene Idea especially
In regards to using the prologue to specifically show off the workshop mechanic. I also like the idea of one of the missions at the start but after the prologue being rebuilding your house in Sanctuary. Could be part of first finding Codsworth (his complaining about maintaining a home after the war), would show off the mechanics, would get you invested in the settlement mechanic right off the hop because of the emotional investment of losing your family home and putting it back together.
Also with the Sole Survivor burying their spouse and giving a few words about it, for me the speech that Naiwal does in his video is now in my headcanon. Matches so perfectly to it.
That hypothetical story you made up was actually touching. Just hearing that it made me feel emotional, I request that Bethesda change the story to this as of right now. Great video.
That Kellog suggestion is spot on. Honestly can't believe they never followed that up. I also remember the first time I heard Nick do the creepy voice and it was terrifying. So much missed opportunity there!
The worst thing about the F4 protagonist isn't that Bethesda took away the player's agency in defining their player character, it's that they then proceeded to not DO anything with it. Outside the main quest and some robots acknowledging your history, the established protagonist is left to be just as blank as, well, a actual blank slate protagonist would be, except the player isn't given the satisfaction of being able to make up their history on their own. It's the worst of both worlds.
The player never had any real agency in any bethesda game, every single one the player is told what their goal is or is the chosen one.
Yeah. I don’t mind this idea of SS being more Commander Shepherd: You can change SOME things but you’re still very pretty defined. This weird middle ground fails and annoys both sides.
The factions themselves are the weakest aspect of the story so they’d all need to be changed - i haven’t watched your videos on them yet but now I’m interested. I do like the angle you’d play here of making the SS more sympathetic and more involved with their backstory and prior family. Maybe I’d actually feel something about the wife/husband and Shaun. The dialogue would also require more options and branching but this was the first time we got to see the pre war world properly in a non-hallucination and experience it firsthand through someone who lived it. We definitely should’ve spent more time there at the beginning and throwing the tutorial in there to extend it is a great idea. I do also wish we had more depth of connection with our companions. They do expand on companions in Starfield and they say a lot more and have more depth but there’s only 4 real ones compared to the good range we had in Fallout 4.
What a great list! The Nick Valentine voice being momentarily supplanted by Kellogg's was riveting. Stunned they just left it alone. Also, one is not born in a womb. Instead, cells differentiate and find their places as a fetus gestates..
I'm impressed so far. These are some really good ideas.
Too bad you weren't on the development team to pitch some of these.
I'd love to see one of these videos about either the settlement system or companions (although I'm not entirely sure what all needs fixing with the companions). In the future
Your suggestions are very good. The core problem of the story is the deliberate and hollow misdirection that creates a distorting false urgency. Your proposals to deal with that are good.
I'd love to see your dissections on all the fallout companions and what'd you do about it. I feel like youll have a field day
The opening would have worked better I think if the whole Vault survived, along with a child or two with every couple. Your immediate goals in game become surviving as a community. Over time you learn about the Institute and eventually find out that the Institute abducted the children of everyone in the Vault to work on a "Gen 4" synth which can grow and reproduce like actual humans. The Institute placed the new gen synth children back into the Vault and unfroze everyone as a way to test how well their new models grow and blend in. The actual children have aged more than 10 years since living in the Institute.
I love the ending idea, mainly because it would be an AMAZING way to set up the post-game, similar to how Red Dead Redemption does it. Not only does it offer closure on the soul survivors story, but the companians are there to remind you that you have a new life and after the cutscene you can continue playing:)
My headcanon is that Shaun always took too long to fall asleep so Nate gets back at him by becoming a knight, general and leader of the synth savers all before finally connecting with him.
you think you can hide a red vs blue reference in the Kellogg and Nick segment and I won't catch it? I'm onto you
was wondering if anyone would catch that.
Anyone else wish instead of having a synth son from father post game.
NORA isn't shot dead but shot with a tranquilizer. We think it's a bullet. There's what we thought was a silencer.
Father gives you the code to his terminal, and it is an Open Nora Cryo chamber.
Sometimes im thinking if settlement building and some side quest are unlock when main quest complete(after ending cg), could the gameplay be more smoothly?
Fallout 4 stands as one of my favourites games, couldnt disagree more on the pre-vault tutorial stuff. I wouldnt mind more connection to Shaun, so i agree with him being older / more personable / maybe a short event of experiencing father/motherhood.
Kellog is insanely cool, yet its a chore to walk through his mind on any replay. If anything, a new game as Kellogg would be superior in itself, or even a companion in the end. I like the courser idea.
Since we dont have the usual post-game cutscenes, either the world needs to be more dynamic (actually show your chosen fashion changing the world) or have an obvious outline of whats going to happen. I want to know if siding with whoever i do, or sparing a named npc's life, or wiping out a settlement has some real effect on the future. Id even accept, maybe even prefer, if post ending we saw a slideshow and info, then whatever we do after that can just be non-canon to our playthrough. Literally anything that brings more depth would help.
4:09 So painful watching that wall NOT go in the direction you want it to
My unsolicited thoughts on your various thoughtful points.
First, removing Mama Murphy would be a bit drastic. But maybe she should have offered her breadcrumbs a little later down the Minutemen questline. Like once you've done some settlement stuff for Preston and built her her chair. Then, if you bring her some jet she can point you to directly to Nick Valentine's office. Otherwise, Preston can just offer some vague guidance about large settlements around the Commonwealth you might want to look (like Bunker Hill, Diamond City, Goodneighbor or University Point -- though that one's outdated).
Second, I think the prologue works fine to establish the relationships with yer kid and spouse. All that other stuff you suggested smacks of shoe leather. But I'll agree the tutorial section of the game needs to be tightened up and streamlined. Honestly, you can say that for Skyrim and Starfield too.
Third, yes, it's damn weird that the Sole Survivor doesn't really wonder about whether Sean is still a baby or whatever. He should have the option to piece together how long it's really been and how old Sean likely is from information in his own PipBoy and in Vault 111, right from the beginning of the game if the player is astute enough. That would leave more variables for the writers and programmers to account for, but that's their whole job, so...
Fourth: 100% agree about how the ending scene should be. I didn't dislike the ending cutscene speech, but yours would have been way better. I liked your suggestion for how to bring Kellog back up too. If nothing else, Kellog should have popped back up somehow if you involve Nick in the Far Harbor story.
Fifth: Yeah, more work tying the faction endings together would have been appreciated. Again, loads more work for the writers and programmers, but again-again, that's their job.
Boy, that was a lot of TLDR...
Eh. It's my free time to throw down the well.
I honestly really like the prologue tutorial idea, they could given more clarity to the mechanics at the start and so much more story and attachment to Shawn and Nora or Nate cause it was really short and didnt give you much to go on, after the prologue I kinda just stole the wedding ring and said welp thats that, time to explore the wasteland.
Also, I'd suggest the Vault tec guy visiting on Friday. Who does door-to-door sales on a weekend? A niggling little thing also are the cars parked at Starlight. The bombs feel during the day. Why would anyone have been at a drive in, in their cars, while the sun is still out? Makes no sense.
This is actually a more common issue than most people realize. An absolute TON of the skeletons we find laying around make no goddamn sense.
Alot of the outdoor skellies are posed as though the bigass shockwave we saw at the beginning of the game never happened.
And then there's a shitload of indoor and otherwise adequately sheltered pre-war corpses who appear to have just randomly dropped dead for no reason at exactly the moment the bomb hit.
Nice cut at the end 👌
Half-assed redacting that blasphemous statement was hilarious
Honestly fallout 4 story isn’t really what im necessarily looking at, and im sure as hell not going to play the older games cause the graphics are a lot worse, so im fine with a trashy story if the graphics are better, the movement speed is faster for sprinting and walking, gun bashing, a built in mod thing, and settlements
I legitimately love the idea of getting the tutorial during the intro
Really emphasises why they should just plop you into a wasteland and let the world tell the story, rather than trying to orchestrate a linear story path. Bethesda hands down cannot tell a good story, they've proven it time and time again. They can't decide if they want a non-linear RPG with story elements or a fully fledged single player adventure game. Their recent games suffer from an identity crisis.
To fix Murphy instead of Diamond City, she should have sent you to lexington next. She was there. That way, you can be justified in either finding starlight or just passing it by. Lead them to diamond city with bread crumbs. Leapfrog one location to the next one. Then, leave 2 choices at the new location, a right path, and a wrong path. Even if you take the wrong path, there are 2 clues there also. A right one and a wrong one. Plus, you can choose to explore another place in between the path.
And why is your spouce always have to die. Maybe he wounds her sometime. How much harder is it to find your son with a wounded wife? Kellogg is a sick enough monster to do that. And if she isn't dead, what if she is gone when you escape the pod? You saw her shot. Where did she go? Where is her body? Now you dont have 1 thing to search. You have 2 mysteries to solve.
And why does Kellogg have to have been in diamond city? Why couldn't he sometimes be in Bunker Hill? Or maybe Kellogg was in one of several other places. The slog. Hangman's alley. Then youcan'tt just jump the storyline to progress. You actually have to find Shawn.
By adding random generation at game start. How many possible different games can be played with the same eliments? Then, instead of a timer to a fixed point, you have a timer to find the next right clue. I think it would not only be more realistic but more fun and challenging.
0:59 You only need to get rid of her vision. The story would then unfold that you will get to bunker hill then good neibourg and last diamond city.
Great video! I disagree with some points like the beginning idea (too long and I got a mod specifically to skip the beginning) but I really like the idea of the grave for your wife and Nora. I always roleplayed and made a grave at my settlement to honor her.
That opening would have fixed so many things. Also I think the story line problems can be addressed by table top running the encounters instead of just using a writers room. You get more creativity that way
Hey Grey how do you feel about the cut side quest “Synthetic Love” and companion that comes with it that can be add back in with mods? Would you keep it or ditch it? If you keep it how would it affect the ending you just proposed?
Personally I think they should have kept it in.
one main problem with Fallout 4 is that, it ISN'T YOUR story! the player is not the main character, you're just there following the main character as the story is told and unfold, it's the writer's story- any choices you do have, are slightly fake choices and dont really matter on the out come cause all paths leads to the exact same place, (the only difference is WHO is standing next to you)
I think an alliance between the Brotherhood and the Railroad/Minutemen would have been a viable thing to include if the Brotherhood was written with more depth. This Brotherhood is supposed to be a result of the Outcasts rejoining the Lyons chapter, but there's no internal strife between those opposing viewpoints. It's written like it's just the Outcasts.
It's hard to believe that, after all of the things the Brotherhood accomplished in Fallout 3, nobody seems to think that Elder Lyons had the right idea, especially since the Brotherhood chapters in the west had been spending decades getting butchered by the NCR.
There being this ideological divide would add a lot more depth and complexity to the Brotherhood's questline, and could allow for peace with the Railroad and Minutemen.
100% agree with you fixes! The tutorial fix is a very good one, i like the idea that both (Nora/Nate) could have shared experiences and that would explain why both can do almost the same thing, like your example of using an Power Armor, while i still think that power armors needed to be more rare and need some special training even for nate, let's remenber that him could had any background in the military, not every soldier needed to know how to use it, like we see in the anchorage dlc in FO3.
Talking about background it could be something that could be implemented, like he could be an sniper, marine, an tank driver or maybe an PA infantry (and that would grant him special training from start) and Nora could have many civil or even military backgrounds but since she got pregnant she left the military, this would give her the same posibility of knowing using guns good as Nate.
Also something that would not fix but would give more RPG feel to FO4 would be getting ridden of essential characters, that to me is a plague having such kind characters in a "RPG", like in Starfield, there a mission that someone could easily not get aligned with the contractor and some of them are unkillable, soo unless you skip the mission you can even fail it by killing the quest giver.