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- The Carolina Hurricanes face the New York Rangers in the Eastern Conference semifinals of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Ovies and Giglio react to the decisive Game 6, where the Rangers scored 4 unanswered goals, including a hat trick from Kreider, in the 3rd period to beat the Canes and advance to the Eastern Conference Finals.
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Ok now that it's over and I can avoid coming off as a troll....this is one of the best places to hear real hockey talk and not the loud bluster heard on most of the sports talk up here . CZcams algorithm landed me here. I checked in every day of the series for the Canes perspective. This is a great show.
Last thoughts: I wish these teams could play 10 more games. And if you guys let Brind'amour walk, you're insane.
Me too I enjoyed all the hockey talk without all the rude as*holes it was fun but stressful and i'd agree there will be teams lined up with their checkbooks to steal your coach who is great. I know all the fans are emotional but the biggest advantage for the Rangers was goaltending and the Rangers have a shot against anyone in a series because of it.
Letting Rod go would be, to quote Shoresy, "So dumb."
Im a lifelong ranger fan, I’m born and raised in new york city and still live in NYC and personally i felt like the rangers looked manhandled and weak in this game. I saw them getting outworked, out hustled and they looked discombobulated and flustered like weak men like they couldn’t handle desperation pressure like that from the Canes. I don’t even know how they won this game. They need a penalty to score a lot of the time they are weak 5 on 5. Then it looked like the canes were going to win until that pathetic disgraceful penalty call on poor Jordan Staal who was just making a good hockey play. That was not a penalty by any stretch of the imagination he was just pushing off and the official wasn’t fooled by embellishment. Thats the leagues effeminate every kid gets a trophy removal of most of the physicality of the game which is unnatural for hockey. They are doing the same thing in football in essence destroying the game. So teams are winning by accident or by crap calls that are deflating other teams that are playing good. The Rangers got lucky, Anderson is not a good goalie. I applaud kreiders talent but he had some help from disgustingly bad officiating. I thought the way the Rangers played on Monday was disgraceful, looked like heartless effeminate weak mean. And I’m not gonna go along with all the hype for this win because i didn’t like the way they played again in this game. Then when the officials make a crap call like that and victimize poor Jordan Staal im not gonna support what the league is doing to the game overall. Im a Ranger fan but im a realist and i appreciate when things are earned honestly and most importantly the game is played properly which they aren’t doing in recent years with these soft crap calls. Just like the NBA the league is low key rigged. It takes the grit and passion out of the game. In the 1994 playoffs in game 7 Messier hooked and upended a player it was either one of the devils or cunnucks right behind the net with a couple of minutes left and they didn’t even call it. Could have been assault the penalty was so intentional. But that was the way the game was played, you didn’t call those at that point in the game when the game has implications that big. So it’s amazing they make up penalties today like the one on Staal. Sorry to blow smoke up all your asses but what I’m saying here is all true. Everything is fake today, instead of earning things we encourage others to fall on their ass and give it to them. They need to stop calling soft crap to encourage scoring. You wanted real hockey talk well here you go.
@@mariologuidice2109 Relax a little bit buddy. First off, BOTH of these teams got PLENTY of soft calls. The Kreider penalty on Jarvis wasn't much more than what you seem to be so conflicted about....
Not to mention the fact that the officials MISSED Brady Skjei putting the puck over the glass, and before you say boo - the refs came together and discussed it. The current problem is that puck over the glass is NOT a reviewable play right now.
Next year it will be, and coaches will even be able to challenge it. However, if you decide to challenge the ruling and are unsuccessful it will cost not only the requiste timeout but also a penalty to 2 players, meaning you'll be in a 3 on 5 situation.
I believe that is the officials way of discouraging unnecessary challenges for a ruling that will be called correctly ALMOST 100% OF THE TIME - WITH REPLAY AVAILABLE NOW, THAT IS. There should be VERY FEW situations which will require a coach to actually challenge a ruling on this after next year.
ANYHOW. Going back to our game. The problem was that no official actually had the full line of sight - to watch both Skjei's shot on the puck from an angle which they could see it DID NOT touch Lafreniere's stick, AND an angle to confirm the puck did not hit the top of glass as it was sent over.
Between the four of them they recapped what each one saw and could not put together the full penalty. However those of us watching at home did CLEARLY see that Skjei shot it, Laf stick never was involved and it went of the glass without hitting the top. The jumbotron in Carolina showed this as well, you didn't even need instant replay to confirm.
But since the refs are currently confined to go by only what they saw when it comes to this penalty, they could not establish it and waived it off...
KNOWING THE RANGERS WERE DENIED A POWER PLAY THEY DESERVED.
And now comes your own opinion. We all know they do this; they "even it out" in the spirit of the game. They missed this call and knew it, so they gave a soft whistle to Staal to make up for it.
Whether you think that is right or wrong is your personal opinion but we all know they do it.
Many times I've seen the refs miss a deserved penalty by the Rangers, only to jam us with a soft one a few minutes later.
It happens and that's it. They try to get the spirit of the game right and there are different takes on that.
Tell you what though, doing an INORDINATE AMOUNT of whining and crying about a soft call that was to YOUR TEAMS BENEFIT doesn't make you some kind of hockey guru, don't care how long you've watched. Yeah, Messier played dirty. It isn't a revelation.
In the last game of 1994 there were TWO negated icing calls near the end of the game that had John Davidson's eyes popping out of his head. Vancouver had significant chances from these. This is hockey.
By the way a power play alone does not a goal make. It took one of, in Brian Boyle's words, "the greatest tips I've ever seen in my life" to get that one past Freddy. He isn't a cardboard cutout friend. The puck was headed straight for his glove before Kreider's masterful tip sent it over his other shoulder. Nothing is free.
To conclude this I know you think you're being atavistic or even handed in your reaction of the final penalty, but there is a reason these things go 7 games potentially and part of it is that no SINGLE call like that decides the series completely. You may think its shameful to win like that, but I can promise you 2 things:
1. RANGERS did MUCH more to win this series than just scoring on that power play
2. If you are expecting to hear the same sympathies and sentiments from the opposing team, you'll find yourself in a very quiet place. If you don't believe me just watch how the Florida Panthers play hockey and see if you feel so agitated by our Ranger ruffians.
Good day sir.
rangers are savage opportunists
Not going to lie, as a Rangers fan, I thought this game was over when Martinook robbed Lingren.
then you haven't been paying attention to how the NYR have played all year. i was mad they were down but didnt think the game was over
@@carlmatzen-bi8xf ok bud. whatever you say. Playoffs are not the regular season, and after 2 overtime victories, their performance in game 5, and that play, I thought the Hockey Gods were with the Canes at that point.
This is why it’s so hard to come back from a 3-0 series deficit. One period doesn’t go your way and it’s over.
In the playoffs, a few weak goals let in can be the difference. The Canes have not addressed this goaltending issue and need better goaltending to win the cup.
Ranger Fan - Thank you to the Canes and their fans for a great series. Your team was tough and they played their hearts out coming back from being down 3 games to 0.
islanders fan- thanks rangers for beating the canes now im rooting fpr the panthers to steamroll you guys 🤣
@@bb-gc2tx fan of hockey in general - sorry you have to be an Islanders fan
@@ThePinnacleSFA im sorry i am too 🤣
The call on staal for the hit on zibanejad was 100% a makeup call for the skjei delay of game
both were penalties to be honest, that was some of the worst defense in the last 10 minutes of a playoff hockey game I've ever seen.
You're probably right
Ranger fan here - congrats on a great, challenging series.
Ah they had it. Congrats is tough
Rangers fan here, this Canes team is incredibly resilient. Games 2 and 3 could have easily gone the Canes way if bounces went their way.
That call on Jordan Staal was criminal that was disgusting.
You can’t blame Freddy for the last goal. He had to hug the post, and he could not move as fast as the puck does. It was a great set up
I like you guys, I’m a Rangers fan in NC - Dangerous game when Canes fans start complaining about calls - Carolina got more chances on the PP, gave up a couple short handed goals, and got away with about 3 blatant too many men calls, and a BRUTAL Burns cross check on Mika. Yall can not blame “calls on this” - Great series and keep up your good work on the Canes
I’m not going to blame these guys because they barely watch the Rangers but Igor was not fumbling pucks he does not fully close his glove on purpose because he keeps plays alive like that sometimes.He was not fumbling the pucks he was doing a move he always does
you say it's not a goalie problem, but every single game the Rangers goalie is getting saves when they need them. Anderson does as well, but every single game even in the islander series he lets in goals that he shouldn't I am a firm believer that we should have rotated goalies or put Kotchekov in net more often.
The canes did well in both periods 1 and 2, I completely agree the team dropped the ball in the third period that cost them the game, but having a goalie there to bail out a bad period is something the Canes didn't have this series. When the Panthers last year and Rangers this year had that.
our deep playoff runs almost always included rotating goalies.....02 and 06....and then the last third of this season too...
Hank commented that if you get pucks around the feet of Anderson he would lose sight of them and typically fumbled them.
Gotta give the Canes credit. Literally coming back from 0 - 3. Horrible 3 period ended the seeason for them. LgR !!!!
The Canes had many golden opportunities to put it away and failed. Igor and the posts got in the way
Good Series, Gentlemen.
NYR fan here - I honestly think we all just watched the "real" Cup Finals. That said - that "soft" goal on the post that Kreids pushed in... where was the Canes defenseman??? I don't blame Freddy for that. Kreider shouldn't have been allowed to that puck. Bad defense... NOT all Freddy. The D Man is to blame
I agree, Freddy made the saves he needed to but the 3 goals the rangers had in the third before the empty netter were all caused by bad defensive plays, lingrens cross crease pass, mikas no look pass, and the deflection, those are all hard to save the defense has to make those stops
We’re 2000’s Ottawa Senators
You have a canes team who out scored their opponents in the third by a lot. Yet can’t close. You talk about Igor looking shaky but Anderson was shaky the whole game. Krieders first goal
He should have had. Two goal tenders looking shaky yet the Rangers were able to capitalize on that opportunity. Not sure why this podcast isn’t truthful. It’s always everyone else’s fault for losing the game and round. Refs ice bad calls special teams goaltending day of the week blah blah blah. Let’s call it as it is. canes are a great season team they are a great first round playoff team. Anything beyond that they choke. Call it as it is. Stop making excuses. They aren’t a team that can go further than a first round second round series.
People need to chill about the cross check call. Just swap it with the OBVIOUS missed delay of game call from a minute prior.
Also, Igor was purposely keeping play going and trying to avoid whistles and stopped play. He should’ve gloved 1-2, but he wasn’t trying to hold it, whatsoever
You mentioned Igor looking shaky..did you not see Anderson from the get go?
Rangers fan here, great show guys, of course, i have different opinion as to what needs to be done in Carolina....GOALIE, GOALIE, GOALIE. Lets not forget Canes led league or close to it, in SOG. If Freddy was facing the barrage that Igor faced every night from your team, he'd give up 6 every night. Your team is built on outchancing their opponent. Rangers are built on keeping it close, and taking advantage of PP (not to mention SHGs) and our PK. How many PP goals did Canes have in first 3 games vs how many PK. Freddie gets away with it against the average teams, hence Canes can pile up wins during regular season. Yes, the philosophy of defense isn't part of Canes game, since they are run and gun.
@essbe7158 I hate to agree, but I do. I am a Freddy fan, PK fan, Rantaa fan... even back to Ned, Mrazek and Reimer. But the Canes, during this run, have never had a truly dominant goaltender. If only we had a shutdown goaltender...
I have not been watching hockey long, but to me it looked like the rangers trusted Igor to stop most of what got to him and the Canes felt like they had to keep anything from getting to Freddie because its a 50/50 chance he is gonna let it in.
12:24 they did not just reference the mighty ducks movie. One inch lower is all the difference. Yet they forget same applied for the goal that reviewed that was pretty much over the line. A little bit more the game would have ended 6-3
I hope there’s not one hurricane fan that thinks canes are not capable. NYR for a few seasons now has had canes number. If NYR and canes don’t meet; either canes or NYR wins a cup. There is nothing to be ashamed about as a hurricanes fan. Sometimes you just run into a better built team. If league went ack to 1-8 rotation canes vs hurricanes eastern conference in semi finals makes more sense
Goal tending - the philosophy and style works, the Canes outplayed the Rangers all series, so it came down to: Can your goaltender make the saves when it counts.
As a Rangera fan I thought we were in full meltdown. I am surprised. Closer series than the score sheet will ultimately show.
This was such a weird reverse of game 5 the Rangers had a 1 goal lead and came out flying in the 3rd hit a couple of posts that probably would have ended the game and the momentum changed after a goal. I don't think it's fair to blame the loss on the goalie though only one of the goals wasn't great or a bad hop and the Canes got quite a few hops and breaks in the first couple of periods. You can see why so few teams can come back from a 0-3 hole though you have to be great and lucky to get 4 straight. If they do let their coach go there will be a number of teams lined up to take him off your hands and it would be a mistake by Carolina. I'm still confused as to why you guys think the backup goaltender is any better than Freddie, he's not that was the biggest advantage the Rangers had going into the series. What a weird series though I expected 6-7 games but not in the way it happened.
Canes will have to reach another gear if they want to go further than ECF. Someone should be fired over our special teams - I don't care who. Been what's holding us back pretty much every post season in the RBA era.
Just wait till PK gets some real experience under his belt... That's the one true shining star-in-waiting that I see that we have. He's going to be a dangerous elite goalie. Mark my words.
The problem is when does that come? Do you now have to waste one or two more seasons getting him Playoff experiences? He should have gotten a lot this season and for some reason or another didn't.
As a Canes fan it feels especially crappy this time around. The pieces seemed to be in place this year. The teams that go on to win or get to the finals always seem to have that shut down goalie which continues to elude us. Now this team will most likely be broken apart and who the heck knows how good it will be going forward.
Not more than likely....the team will be broken up. I think I heard the canes have 10 RFAS/UFAS this summer and only so much cap.
The three big names that are going to take up 90% of the cap this year alone are the UFAS. necas, skjei, and guentzel are the UFAS.
I have a feeling out of those 3 UFAS....not all 3 will be a cane next year
The canes trading for guentzel and Kuznetsov was the canes putting all their chips in this year. It just didn't work out
@@ScottStenlundthat’s how I felt last year as a ranger fan when we got Kane and tarasenko yet they went further this year… you never know canes will still be great next year
@@anthonybarone8745 it's depth that wins. Rags went to ECF with copp and vatrano.....this year they acquired roslovic and wennberg and they're back to ECF.
@@ScottStenlund they were arguably deeper last year…. Laffy was on the third line, chytil was third line center and much better than wenberg, forth line is almost the same and you had Kane and Taresenko who are miles better than wenberg and roslovic but shit happens they lost… canes may lose guys in the off season and end up better for it you never know
The Canes’ less than stellar performance in the 3rd was the difference in this game.
Good luck in the future mates, Don't think Carolina is going to be a force to reckon with for the near future, gonna be about 3 years or so until you get to the level they were this year.
The Canes style works well for the grind that is hockey. A couple inches away from winning this series. 2 posts in game 6. The Staal shot that hit the shaft. So close.
It sucks because we'll never know what could have happened if we played kooch.
Rangers fan in the chat. Hoping we can steal this show in the off-season.
Freddie Andersen singlehandedly cost the team the series...period. He let in poor goals just about every game...he couldn't be trusted. He had no @#$@#ing business being in net. Rangers were dead in the water until Andersen gave them life...it's just a joke. Andersen saved his masterpiece of awful goals for the end... let them off the mat.
Yup.
Lol you're a clown
He let up one questionable goal the rest were fine and i'm still not sure why all the Canes fans think the backup is better I don't see much of a difference honestly.
@@jameshannagan4256 They can't accept that their team failed as a whole. They have to cope and place blame on either the goalie or the refs. They did it all series
Also love how they are quick to call out Igor and the rangers. Yet never want to blame the canes as a team for losing the first 3 games. You can’t focus on game 6 and how they lost. Cause even winning tonight they only at best force a game 7 which they need to win. You can’t ever go down in the series 0-3 and think you’re gonna crawl your way back to win the series. Damn near impossible. Because they won two games in a row all of a sudden they are gonna win the series. Yet Rangers won 3 games in a row and came fans still thought the canes will win the series. Weird
Cane fans are a bit naive....quality shots win
Stop complaining about the penalties, seriously, that call late in the third in game 4 when the Rangers had momentum overcoming another 2 goal deficit was just as soft as the Staal penalty.
The Canes pissed away the win with their piss pour play in the 3rd. They do not have the killer instinct and deserved to lose the game. Another year, another failure in the playoffs
Actually listened fully through as a rangers fan unlike most in here. After saying we were diving, enjoy golf 😉
As an organization, you pay DeAngelo. That's the difference and you should feel bad for that
Built to make playoffs, built to chokd in playoff? Did they forget the Leafs exist?
Oh man now we blaming the day of the week for the loss Jesus. What else excuses are they gonna throw out there
ANDERSON IS A HORRIBLE GOALIE... HE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED... THE COACH CAN NOT GET IT DONE EITHER... FIRE BRIND'AMOUR....
Martinooks play is SOOO OVERRATED. He fell and happened to get there when the puck got there.
you cant win in the playoffs when you have a goalie thats soft and shows only fear in important spots. freddie anderson is the modern day pete peeters
You guys still selling those cry shirts
Im a lifelong ranger fan, I’m born and raised in new york city and still live in NYC and personally i felt like the rangers looked manhandled and weak in this game. I saw them getting outworked, out hustled and they looked discombobulated and flustered like weak men like they couldn’t handle desperation pressure like that from the Canes. I don’t even know how they won this game. They need a penalty to score a lot of the time they are weak 5 on 5. Then it looked like the canes were going to win until that pathetic disgraceful penalty call on poor Jordan Staal who was just making a good hockey play. That was not a penalty by any stretch of the imagination he was just pushing off and the official wasn’t fooled by embellishment. Thats the leagues effeminate every kid gets a trophy removal of most of the physicality of the game which is unnatural for hockey. They are doing the same thing in football in essence destroying the game. So teams are winning by accident or by crap calls that are deflating other teams that are playing good. The Rangers got lucky, Anderson is not a good goalie. I applaud kreiders talent but he had some help from disgustingly bad officiating. I thought the way the Rangers played on Monday was disgraceful, looked like heartless effeminate weak mean. And I’m not gonna go along with all the hype for this win because i didn’t like the way they played again in this game. Then when the officials make a crap call like that and victimize poor Jordan Staal im not gonna support what the league is doing to the game overall. Im a Ranger fan but im a realist and i appreciate when things are earned honestly and most importantly the game is played properly which they aren’t doing in recent years with these soft crap calls. Just like the NBA the league is low key rigged. It takes the grit and passion out of the game. In the 1994 playoffs in game 7 Messier hooked and upended a player it was either one of the devils or cunnucks right behind the net with a couple of minutes left and they didn’t even call it. Could have been assault the penalty was so intentional. But that was the way the game was played, you didn’t call those at that point in the game when the game has implications that big. So it’s amazing they make up penalties today like the one on Staal. Sorry to blow smoke up all your asses but what I’m saying here is all true. Everything is fake today, instead of earning things we encourage others to fall on their ass and give it to them. They need to stop calling soft crap to encourage scoring.
HAHAHAHA YOU GUYS KEPT TALKING WHEN U WON 2. LETS GOOOOO RANGERS!!!!
Did you watch the same game as I? Shesterkin was not shaky as you report - Canes outplayed NYR in the first two periods. Also, Martinhooks save was remarkable but if you look at the replay it was more Newtonian physics than anything else - he couldn’t help but slide to the puck. When the NYR found their game in the 3rd sparked by Kreider, well, the Csnes didn’t look so formidable. Oh well. LGRs!!!!!
Hahahah Maybe next year Canes
#LGR! Second time in three years the Rangers have sent these clowns home. Enjoy watching the Rangers play in the ECF! Favorites my left foot.
You need a job
Lmao tell me the last time rangers won the cup?
How far did you go last year? Go Panthers!
@@carriecronin959does Lizzo eat at KFC?
Cry babies. I’m gonna watch this on repeat for awhile. Got ur hopes up and then got crushed. Hahahah. Again. We own you
Without midseason goalie debacle, Canes probably win Presidents Trophy. In a way curse lives on.
Intriguing!!! The reality Canes were the “best” team in the regular season and now lost in the playoffs.
gg no re carolina. bye bye.
All I hear is whining
Ranger Fan here- You guys were the better team and it wasn't close. We harped on the PP and converted on chances we got...Having said that playoffs is about seizing opportunities and the Rangers did that. All credit to the Canes they are a SCARY team
Same fan as you. Igor bailed us out in the 3rd. He was unbelievable.
i have no sympathy for fan bases that know more about nascar than hockey 🤣
Lmao canes fans are the worst. I’ve never seen the puck luck canes got this entire series. Don’t shock me yall see it differnt but once again 90% of canes fans only watch the games when their team is in the playoffs. Enjoy being mid the next few years too. Nothing better than watching that little canes fan cry
Canes ain’t won an ECF game since 2006. Y’all so mid and gunna be trash next year. Cant wait to buy tickets again for 25$