How To Get Analog Sound Without Spending $10,000
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Honestly you can hear a really big difference especially with the filter envelope, the analog synth sound way smoother and warm, serum sounds plastic and too cheesy, but it’s still usable and very professional
Exactly
yea i was like "isnt A sounding too awesome compared to B?' XD
@Beat 4k yeah maybe i exaggereted a little bit, but in a whole context of a song you can hear the difference between the two sound, that said i always use serum ‘cause i don’t have 5k for a synth💀
The difference for avarage listener could be just a little bit of a feel rather than hearing
Agree. I’ve been solely using software for quite a while, but the difference in sound is staggering. Time to switch back?
For me A was very smooth and warm......and B was sharp sounding
was about to say the same thing, almost immediately apparent. you can hear the digital aspect of it in the sharpness and an almost click-like tone to B.
@@MrRickChase Pretty sure if you'd just turn down the RES and NOISE stuff a (tiny) bit - you couldn't tell.
yeah B sounded clearly different, but hard to describe how. like it had more "effects" happening on the sound. Is that "sharp"? they were both pretty close tho!
a simple low pass or eq will fix that
Just want to make sure everyone is aware that unless Big Z has shipped a record or cassette to your house, we are listening to both samples as digital. Have a good day
The difference is crystal clear. The Moog has such a warm tone and it's so smooth when the filter opens.
xactly
"Crystal clear" lol. The serum one has such a warm tone and it’s so smooth when the filter opens. See? I can make up bullshit as well.
Haha Moog vendors here
as a listener, I don’t listen to songs thinking if the synths used are analog or digital. music is music.
all creators know this. it is the crucial difference between being a creator and a listener. Creators many times consciously pick sounds that the listeners will end up "feeling." Just because a listener isn't privy to the behind the scenes doesn't mean those behind the scenes decisions do not affect their experience.
Fantastic video. Some great tips in here. I especially liked the tip on controlling how much an LFO effects something with the aux setting. I didn’t know you can do that, and now the aux function in the matrix has opened up so many possibilities for me. Thank you!
Got the Arturia V collection 8 months ago and haven’t used serum since. It’s not truly analog but it’s way better than serum.
That little edit 0:58 is way too clean bro, you really good at this ;D
bro you always brings the fire
I love what you do and keep inspiring the world!!
Any future tutorials on EDM composition from a chord progression?? If not any suggestions and thank you very much, John
There is definitely a difference. I knew which was which right away. But you did a very good job trying to match it. I do think that Arturia and Moog themselves are making some great emulations of classic synths. UAD is good too.
Really loving these analogue synth tuts, I would love to see you remake an Oliver Nelson track and his overall drum feel and groove.
Listen, the Serum is really good. But the difference was glaring. I was able to tell right off the bat which one was the Analog synth and I’m not even a professional musician or anything.
Great video Z!
There's definitely a noticeable difference between this and the warm classic Moog, but this is still a great technique.
I think some people are exaggerating how different they sound. Tweaking the attack and messing with an EQ some more would probably get it so close that no one would be able to tell. At the end of the day, sound is just waves so it's possible to recreate anything digitally.
Also keep in mind it would be more difficult to tell the difference once the sound is used in a full mix.
Exactly, I'm absolutely sure you could recreate that "warm" sound many are missing in this Serum setup - with TINY adjustments (less RES, NOISE - slight EQ adjustments).
The whole point of analog is that you don’t have to edit anything it just sounds good instantly, serum needs to be tweaked a lot to sound good
@learn2xpand862 I guess this is true if you believe "sounding analog" is the same as "sounding good". There are a lot of edits and tweaks needed to get the desired sound whether using analog or digital synths. Since this video in particular was about making a digital synth sound analog, of course it will seem like the digital synth needs a lot more tweaking.
What a cool tutorial! Thanks!
There is certainly a difference in sound (down to taste which one you prefer) but don't forget there's also the consideration of how it feels to play and interact with the instrument vs the VST and how that impacts your creative decision making.
man this whole thread is really a big *sigh* of analog vs digital again
when will the time be we just can appreciate both exist and this technique is just super cool, not because it ''makes it analog'', it's not analog, who cares
it's cool bc again digital expands the horizon of it's capability, which are anyway mostly limited by our imagination lol
You can easily map the parameter of a vst on a midi controller and play digital synth live, i prefer do this than use my analog gear 99% of the time because u avoid a lot of problem like latency, remind or save the patch..
Thanks, great ideas. Got you Serum pack.
Bravo!, you are always the best Big Z! If you want make a video about the vocal 'strech effect' like in the MEDUZA song - Everything you have done!!.. Peace!
I recently acquired Diva and man does that thing sound incredible.
great! explanation. love it!
Serum changed my life, man! So good!
Love 💕 ya Zach keep the music 🎼 coming
1st. Great video and tips Z, I think you can hear a clear difference in the audio but maybe a bit of low pass filter wouldn’t have made the serum so bright in comparison. Still though, 5K for a mono synth is ridiculous and more of a collectors piece than anything. Serum is quite a sharp synth , I think using Diva you would of achieved an even better result but I learned something about serum today which is my least used synth so I may just start messing around with it. You have one of the best channels for production, hope to see some videos in the future on an easy way to do those 4-5 note motifs before the drop hits. (like the track you have playing in the background) Thanks for the great content ✌️
Genius, Big Z!
Solid explanation!
You need to listen closely to the high end. There's a tiny bit of high end on the serum patch that isn't there on the Moog. If you really want a Moog sound in software, just get the moog vst or an equivalent moog emulator. The Viking VK1 is a wicked free alternative.
Sweet techniques! I can hear a little difference but I think which one someone prefers is down to taste, and there's no way it would matter in a mix.
Love your channel, I think the expensive gear saves you time, I played a lot with soft synths and the same model in hardware and while the timbre is the same the way it sounds can fit on the mix or not, I have to at least put a chain of 6,7 vst fx to make it sound to fit in the mix while the hardware was just a bit of eq and completely fit the mix, same saound, same sequence, I was on your boat that isnt worth buying hardware but I prove myself wrong.
For the sake of science, I took screenshots of the S&P 500 over 10 yrs and some telemetry data from some random F1 race last year. Got some lovely saws out of it :)
Everything said here is absolutely true. However, the joy of an analog synth is not just in its sound. It's the touch and feel of the keys, the wheels, and all the knobs/buttons/sliders. It can be a very inspiring way to compose and makes you feel like you are actually PLAYING an instrument and not just programming a sound. Owning 2 or 3 analog synths can be worth it. I can spend hours just slowly changing the knobs on my Sub37. It can be hypnotic.
awesome tricks and tips
Ngl I preferred the first one, but you got really close, well done.
My music making is purely a hobby so I don't spend any money on anything but I really enjoy watching these videos.
You can use Chaos 1 and 2 as source instead of lfo's to create some imperfections aswell 🤗
MAN I THOUGHT THE SAME THING! Using chaos modulator you can spend less time than this
I have a perfectly treated GIK Acoustics room & ATC Speakers. Frankly the difference is night and day brother. One is warm organic beefy and round sounding while the other sounds like a digital knock off that is imitative cold and rigid sounding
maybe it's experience, maybe it's the fact that having a properly treated room and good transparent monitors is the most important thing for any professional listening environment
maybe it's both🤘
Don’t know why but it was apparent A is Moog… listening side by side. Depth of balance and crunch of heights. In the mix might not be any difference. Though I wanted to say analogue oscillator + filter is not $10k. Few hundred would make it, and when processed by pristine modern plugs definitely don’t need $10k for a masterpiece.
“So what we need to do is F**** it up a little bit.” The perfect description of analog! 😃
hey Big Z - how about a video about how to tame the high end? can't get my hats and shakers to sound as silky as they sound in popular songs...
this is an awesome tutorial, but could you go into detail with the envelopes, why and where you linked them? :)
very very close result. Sick trick!
To be honest, I can hear the difference. The LFO speed (vibrato) is too perfect with the VST. This is the same with digital hardware too.
But this is a great tutorial how to make a VST (in this case Serum) sounding even better than it already does 😎.
A big thanks 🙏!!
Use the chaos knobs under the global tab for proper analog randomness
Great video
I mean, you got it right. There is a point where digital can generate an analog sound for sure. And I think Serum is wayyyy still underrated EVEN if its already praised enough
I own tons of analog synths and I liked B more lol!
bro try using some juno or sylenth1 wavetables. The sylenth1 wavetables improved my sound immediately. I'm not trying to throw shade at your skills but I feel like you can actually recreate the sound much better and improve it a lot with better sound designing. You can also try using a third party juno-like chorus or an analog chorus to try to recreate the width but yeah there's a pretty big difference between the sounds in terms of the characteristics. The Moog sound is a lot warmer and tighter. I feel like your filter is going a tad bit too high/opening up a bit too much.
Does every synth i hear in your video is in the pack??? ?
How did you get the stutter effect on oscillator B with the LFO?
Bro. U should do a serum class. I'm in!
Nice one man. Slow clap.
You made me sorta kinda almost maybe probably just a little bit like serum. But I'm gonna do this in phaseplant instead
Well, I guess I can tell... B (serum) sounds harsh and distorted, while A (Moog) sounds soft and clean.
So cool!
Having an analog poly synth myself i can tell the difference, spot it right away. Ofc virtual analog can do a great job in context and not even a pro can't tell the difference between the two.
What 's the name of your song at the end man itś amazing
anyone know what headphones big z is using? :) could be nice to know
I directly heard that A was the Moog. So much better!
The difference was pretty clear to hear and the Moog Model D had a more pleasant sub and mid range to it, B was a bit harsh. Any way, nobody should buy 5000,-- dollar synths, unless you swim in money.
I can tell that A was hardware. The bass sounds deeper. Mids are nice and tight and warm. The B sounded good but not as full and rich in texture.
Brilliant
The first one sounds thicker, more low end, and the second one sounds flatter
Since we are judging in a purely solo context: there was a difference, *but it wasn't anywhere near a $4,800 difference.* I'm honestly willing to bet that some would even pick B over A in some cases depending on their tastes and listening experience. 😄
on my setup moog sound in front, serum sound like swarm somewhere.
Love your stuff !! … but totally liked A more 😅
But with some UA goodness it is probably possible
Hey, cool! But... What's the song at the end. That's quite cool! 🙂👍
B sounded like it had some extra harmonics to it/distortion. But neither sounded better or worse to me. A just sounds a tiny bit rounder but that's it.
I asked 10 non musicians if they could tell the difference between analog and digital sounds. 10 out of 10 had no idea what I was talking about and asked me to consider getting a life.
I could tell the left was the mini moog from the beginning… it just has so much weight in the sound. BUT in the overall mix some frequencies could be EQ’d out or just be balanced differently so it doesn’t even matter! It doesn’t matter if you have the mini moog cuz the average listener doesn’t even know what it is 😂
I know this may sound pretentious, because you gave the ansewer away already, but my answer was A immediately upon hearing B. The filter is very cheepsie/cheesy, and the last bit that gave it away was that static sharp frequency in the high-end, which is probably caused by some software distortion.
I use Vírus TI and Moog, sound much more clean and dope
If the virus had faster LFO's and the DSP could actually handle 2 full multisaws with max unison I would never touch another synth again. More envelopes/LFOs just for the heck of it would be cool too.
I feel like a bit of eq and saturation would make these sound the same.. listening on MacBook speakers btw
It depends witch synth
Now try to reacreate a Moog bass please, thats where lays the biggest difference imho.
I was able to spot the moog in your example. Don't get me wrong serum is a fantastic plugin and probably if its in a track with everything else i couldn't really spot a difference.
Listening on iPhone 11 speakers and the moment you played “A” I already knew it was the analogue one. B sounds super hard and harsh in the upper mids 1-3kHz. It’s also more distant and slightly not real. Not saying you wouldn’t be able to get close, perhaps if you played more bass tones, but with this lead, yeah, sorry, the difference is quite noticeable
A defo bro but only by a slight bit
Si se oye diferencia compa
Honestly I could hear the difference in the A/B at the beginning and immediatly guessed right. So that kinda reduces your main point a bit on the surface level, but I know it's not always possible to exactly match 2 entirely different synths' patches so you likely just didn't find serum's sweetspot as much as the mini moog's one in this particular example. that would mean your point is still valid.
I was also able to hear the difference, with B being way cleaner than A. But I wasn't sure which one is which, since I also believe it could be possible to "overdo" the synthetic analogueness... That being said, I guess you could get digital synths to sound analogue, but you have to actively do that and first of all need to know how
@@crookman42 yeah it's really interesting how some people liked the B example more. I liked A more, because it just sounded cleaner, which makes a lot of sense considering he put a phase modulated noise oscillator into B. also A has a finely tuned sine wave vibrato while B has kind of a random pitch fluctuation curve. So the people who like B more are just more into that kind of randomness I think. A is just a super predictable vibe.
i made a reaction video where i attempted to analyze this on my channel btw
There is a difference for people that are into production. Also if you don’t have a direct reference it’s hard to tell…
A normal listener only cares about the song, not the details. Most important is to get the songs done
There is a difference.
Subjective: The Minimoog does not sound $4811 better
Objective: 99% of the people in the club can't tell the difference, nor do they care, they are too busy dancing, having fun, getting smashed, taking/posting selfies, etc.
But some people can hear the difference (actually I will say most people can hear the difference, simply because the two examples sound very audibly, different, even on your phone's tiny speaker) and do care about that small sound difference and they also like to post expensive stuff on instagram , so good thing for those people, there is the (insanely overpriced, imo) Minimoog re-issue which costs more money than the previous Minimoog re-issue.
Also, Serum is not the first soft synth to go for for Moog sounds, but granted there is a massive market of Serum users so it makes financial sense to make Serrum presets
Honestly when I think vintage synths I don't think of club music anyway. I think of more ambient or intimate sounding stuff. Like evoking a sense of nostalgia, which isn't really party music in the first place, it's feeling music.
great video. The more I watch analog x digital gear videos, the more it becomes clearer that actually, 98% of the listener won´t give a sh*t about these differences. No one´s gonna know by listening to your bass sound mixed with 60 other channels. Your music won´t sound better because you´re using a real moog. Your music won´t be any better by using analog gear, or tape, or whatever.
Wanna get this right! Do you mean that a digital signal is better or can compare it to the one from a hardware analog synthesizer??? If yes im out from this channel bro
Lol I think B sounds more pleasing
😂😂😂😂
I have problems with digital instruments trying to sound analog specially with basses. They just don’t get that warm feeling of analog instruments. Yes, they can be cool, and many people nail it. But…
I immediately hought A was much better but listening to them over over I can't put my finger on why other than the way the filters open up
BRO WHAT THE FUCK I DIDN T KNOW YOU COULD DRAW WAVETABLES LIKE THAT IN SERUM
I could tell the diffirence between first example.
Spoiler, I explain how:
The Serum (B) had like weird reverb, it felt very robotic.
you mean probably like a different wider formant thingy
Lol the B sounds better for me 🤣 You also can use FX plugins to create this analog effect so 🤷🏻♂️
Yes i could it was first. It just have the weight in the punch.
Well ...."just fuck#d up a little bit" lol
There's a big enough difference...the Moog sound is classic 80s and well known. Surprised you didn't just compare it to the cherry audio imitation. Anyway the meat of the video is very useful. Thanks.
For all those claiming there are relevant differences: maybe for those with high end audio gear, aka not the general audience of EDM. Play it at a club or festival and the entire discussion just becomes ridiculous. If you're a gear snob: that's fine. But just admit it.
Yea you can hear a difference. But daam. That's pretty close. And now to challenge those of you who heard a difference, imagine with a good analog emulation plugin. If you're still hearing a big difference after that you may jus be missing the 80s. Which is ok
B is a litter brighter
you could tell differences. but you wouldn't tell which is better :)
Had to look at this because your thumbnail looks like you’re doing a sh** 😂
I could easily spot the difference... A is the real deal
B sounds a bit Darker bro!
serum one is brighter, cant lie.
Everyone got it, but we get the point...
But Filter of Serun are sucks