Fujifilm X100VI vs Leica X Typ 113 - Can the old affordable Leica keep up?
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The Fuji X100VI is the latest and greatest in their extremely popular line of 23mm fixed lens APS-C street cameras. A trend started by Leica with the X1 back in 2009. They have since moved on to their full frame Q-line, but before they did, they released the X Typ 113 in 2014. So how do these two compare? And is the premium price of the latest Fuji justified?
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The Fuji X100VI was lent to me by the good people at Kameradoktorn in Stockholm. For my Swedish viewers I can highly recommend them. Great shop with an interesting used section as well. www.kameradoktorn.se
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Or perhaps a used Leica.
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I had to delete a couple of useless troll comments, let's try to keep it civil people 👍
Good vibes only!
Love the long form content!
An interesting & informative compo video; with - of course - some very lovely images !! Thks Matthias
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I love my Leica X typ 113, simple yet elegant, produces amazing quality pics.
Love the video, great work as always!!
Thanks!
Hey everyone, I wanted to share my experience with the Leica 113. About two years ago, I picked it up for around 400€ from a local dealer. I really wanted to love this camera. I loved the quality of the photos, the superb lens, and overall, I was quite fond of the entire camera. However, the missing viewfinder was a dealbreaker for me. The external viewfinder was quite cumbersome and felt outdated, which unfortunately detracted from the overall experience. As a result, I ended up selling it and switching to a Fujifilm X-E3 as my second Body.
Totally understandable and I agree that an external EVF has its drawbacks. But “outdated” is a bit of a stretch imo, at least compared to the XE3, which I think is totally fine. Just not as good or at least not superior to the Visoflex.
On the surface one could wonder about the relevancy of a comparison of old vs new tech, but if you take that step back that Mattias does so well, you see how fun photography is when playing with different kinds of these machines. I've learned so much from old film cameras that translates into working with how digital approximates the process that these kind of comparisons are indeed the BeSt kind of relevance in this hobby! Thks!
Great video! I discovered the typ 113 while looking around for a Leica X after seeing your video on that camera years ago. Couldn’t swallow the price at the time and now they are so expensive and rare I doubt I’ll ever be able to justify getting one. Always looked like such an interesting camera to try.
Yeah they where super cheap back then. I also waited too long and now they are a bit more than I wanted to pay. But next to a Fuji X100V or X100VI its quite the bargain :)
@@mattiasburling haha If I ever see one for sale for close to the price you got yours for, I might pounce. Seems nowadays they are so rare, it’s only the opportunistic perpetual eBay “buy it now” listings which seem to be 80-120% the cost of an x100vi.
The top of eBay is always a scam. However, many have "or best offer". Just start lowballing. I will probably sell mine eventually so there is also an opportunity ;)
Probably the first truely honest review of the x100vi so far and with no bitching and complaining that I have watched.
I haven't watched any reviews, what are they complaining about?
@@mattiasburling the usual they could’ve given us this or that why didn’t they blah blah blah and then a couple of all out hate fest but then trying to convince the viewer that they actually do like the camera very confusing 🫤
@@shaunraymond65 I might have to watch a couple now when I have sent it back.
@@mattiasburling more than a few use the review to rant about tik tok photographers it’s crazy 😜 I was only interested in two peoples opinions/reviews yours being one of them even though my mind was already made up it was more than enough of an upgrade from the F and giving me a couple of things I didn’t have with the F that I wanted so buying it was an easy decision for me even though the exchange rate hits hard downunder 🫤
Alongside my Nikon Df, I own and use regularly a Leica X Typ 113, with a Leica VIsioflex 020 viewfinder. The viewfinder is game changing, if a little old by todays standards.
I have owned my X since 2016, and have loved every minute of it - the EVF has kept me using it after I tired of using the rear screen.
The image quality that comes out of the camera in some circumstances is amazing - but there are occasions where I just switch to the Df.
This was a great video, as I have long said that when my X expires, owing to Leicas inability to replace the X, I would end up buying whatever Fuji's 100 series offer is.
Agree about the EVF. Loved it on the TL2.
@@mattiasburling Yes, it works a treat, and really changes how you engage with the camera.
I just wish Leica had married the 35mm equivalent lens - with the CL body. If they had built one of those, then Fuji would have had a challenge on their hands.
Enjoyed this. I have a couple cameras in a similar stack rank that I'm looking at right now and may need to pick your brain about :P
I’m always up for camera talk 😀📷
I just went for a walk in the city today for street photography today, I brought my two Sony A7RIV Cameras and he Lenses 14mm, 35mm, 85mm in my small shoulder bag. The 14mm I brought because I was going to take some overview photos that I also did at the same spot in 2009, there have sadly been a LOT of new high buildings growing in those 15 years since then, but for everything else I used the 35mm and the 85mm Lenses, one of each Camera, so very fast to shoot with either of them.
I always liked that Leica sky blue, the cyan shift, most times I try to replicate that when I edit my raw
Gotta love the Leica for the distance scale on the lens. After shooting m-mount glass adapted to my Sigma FP, I can't live without distance scales.
Thanks for another great comparison video! I'm really interested oh what you think of X Vario. Its one of my favorite Leica. I miss it more than the Q and X2. Sold it because i was able to get a bargain CL 😊
I haven’t tried it. But I suspect it’s very underrated.
It is as great as ever to see a video from you, Mattias. I am not in the market for another camera, but watch your video's regardless; I enjoyed this one. I had the original X100 when it came out and X100s to replace it. Both were super cameras, but dislike the direction that series has taken since.
I couldn't help but notice a Q2 Monochrom in your hand in the video; I would love to know what you think about that camera? I feel like that's a fantastic camera for you to review on your channel (E.G., a video about a 28mm camera with off-the-charts IQ, but 90% of people would dismiss it because it doesn't try to be all things to all people).
As always, you give the most objective assessment I've ever known. The Leica colors here are also beautiful, the X100 VI has more technology and an optical viewfinder
I love my new X100VI ❤
What do you think Mattias? It's worth the size, weight and cost to go with full frame? I know it depends on so much things, but as a general rule do you think it's worth to go full frame?
(Could be a good subject for a video I think)
Sensor size is just a spec among others. It has positives as well as negatives. So as a general rule, no dont go full frame just for the sake of full frame.
These two cameras are great!, but I already have a nice Fujifilm X-E3 so not getting any of these unless Mattias sends me one 😆.
Both are lovely I have a fugi xpro 1 it is great ,always dreamed of a Leica
I like the Leica colours more than Fuji in this comparison. When I see the default Fuji colours without fancy film simulations, I just don't get the hype about it, because I clearly see that Fuji colour science isn't as perfect as many claims.
Anyway, Leica isn't for me because of its price. So my choice is Nikon 😅 Because I like its ergonomics and colours from the camera is also quite pleasing to my eyes with some edits in post processing.
Cant go wrong with Nikon :)
What do you mean "the default Fuji colours without fancy film simulations"? There's no way to even get that. The "default" in Fuji cameras is the Provia film simulation. Anything processed from a Raw image will be that Raw processor's colour profiles, not Fuji's (including the Lightroom and Capture One versions of the Fuji film simulations; they're not exact matches to the Fuji JPEGs).
@@caerphoto sorry, I never used a Fuji camera. So maybe it's the Provia profile I see everywhere as the default Fuji colour scheme and I don't really like it. I don't need other film simulations, because I prefer neutral and natural colours (I mostly shoot landscape, nature and architecture). I don't need the retro vibe.
I like the look of Fuji cameras though.
@@caerphoto The default Adobe (or C1) conversion is considered by most as the sensors look. It is as close to neutral as we can get and will look different depending on the cameras color science. And at least for me it is the base for creating a pleasing look.
Also independent of what picture profile/simulation you use, the image curve will react differently depending on the camera. Some are better/easier/more pleasing than others. And its all personal taste from photographer to photographer.
@@mattiasburling I'm not convinced the default Adobe or C1 conversions are as close to neutral as we can get, since they're clearly different, as are the defaults from Apple Raw, Darktable, Affinity Photo, etc.
Hes back, yoy ever made a video on the leica x2 or x vario? I don't think i seen one.
It makes me nuts rhat people on fb try to charge so much for the Panasonic/leica rebrands even when you politely try to explain them .
No never on the X2, just the X1. Back inte the day when the X113 and X-Vario where both uber cheap I always planned to test both. But I waited to long and all of a sudden neither of them where anywhere to be found at a good deal.
I suspect the X-vario is the most underrated camera Leica ever has and ever will make.
@@mattiasburling yes , the x vario seems very misunderstood. I just missed one for $400 us. Should have jumped on it.
The X-Vario is a fantastic little camera,I bought one maybe 4 years back along with the Pentax MX-1. It's very well made although a little slow in dark conditions. Image quality is superb. I used it at a friend's wedding as a guest and they preferred the results more than the official photos. Cheap Leica wins for me. 👍📷
Not used to hearing the words reasonable and Leica in the same sentence but you do bring up some very valid points; Fuji has 100 more features and menu selection than the Leica. These menu features on a small camera can be a bit exhausting and as you point out depends on what you want to do. BTW the manual focus works great with the back button focus. Thanks again for the great review.
Took my
Leica X1 out this last weekend
More people ask about those photos than anything else I use.
Best 500$ bucks
This is a very personal camera to me
I've tried a whole lot of hi end mirrorless cameras for street photography and the Fuji X- T20 has won me over.
Its also a fine camera.
I have both Leica X2 and X Typ113, and I love them very much. But tbh, X2 has been more loved because it's size and portability. Also the image makes almost no difference with the newer Typ113. Plus, Typ113 has a major issue of the AWB. The AWB getting weird when the WB is around 4000-4200. But other than that, Typ113 is a fantastic camera especially the cleaner look. It looks like a Leica Q from distance.
I think Fujifilm wins in most of the cases, though I don't own, perhaps my next choice will be Fujifilm.
Although I shall again have to see some other pros and cons like shutter speed and exposure compensation. Thankyou.
I wonder if the TL 23mm lens is based on these predecessors
Maybe some parts. But imo the 23 tl is noticeably sharper.
Is a Nikon zfc much larger/less portable?
Not really. If size is all that matters it could be an option for sure.
Not sure it'll be a fair contest. I have a Leica X1 and the AF is slooow. And while the X1 may be affordable now, it wasn't when I bought it new.
There is more to a camera than AF speed. MF speed for example 😀
I’ve found photographic nirvana in a Leica Q-116 after trading my Lumix cams.
Why? Simple menus, function buttons that aren’t in the way, full frame in a smallish pkg and oh! that lens… thanks for all your reviews Matthias✌️#onebodyonelens
The Q is a great camera indeed 👍
👍 👍 for the chess set.
Another camera to consider is the DLux109 and later DLux7 (Lumix LX100 / LX100 II) When considering the lower 16mp (12mp when cropped) megapixels of this little wonder, just think of it as the size of your canvas. It can be a creative choice to work within such limitations. The rest of the camera was ahead of its time. Image quality is punchy and excellent, the camera performance is responsive.
I think you might mix them up a little. This is an APS-C camera. The Leica D-Lux7 was the m4/3 clone of the LX100.
@@mattiasburling hah yes! I edited my response. I owned the LX100 mark i / DLux109 and loved that camera.
I like my x100 but the buttons are cheap and the telephoto function is waning. Glad I got it used
@@malfunkt Those are very nice cameras as well. I enjoyed both my LX100 and LX100ii a lot. Rumor says there might be prime lens versions on the way. If thats true I will be all over them.
@@mattiasburlingany lumix gx series with 15mm f1.5 is already a compact shooter if its mft. But a new challenger in fixed lens point and shoot is still a good news (as q2, lx100ii, and griiix owner 😂)
When the Nikon D850 review bro?
Next after this one I think 👍
I had some images from it published in a magazine that I wanted to include. So I had to wait a little for it to print.
Typ 113's go for like 800-1000 USD on the low end. After this video they'll all be the 1300-2500 that the rest are listed for.
I wonder how many years it will take for camera makers to go back on their "small mid-range cameras have zero market, so we're not going to focus on/make them anymore" stance they've taken the last year or two. Probably after the trend is long dead due to a broken piece of junk compact going for 800 USD when it was maybe 100 just 6 or 8 months ago. Oh well, I got my Leica CL in box for 800 bucks before all the prices shot up, so that's my cheap Leica along with the M10-D I got off a friend with more money than sense that figured out they didn't really want that "analogue digital experience" and then bought a used X100V for 2k USD, furthering the problem of people of questionable intelligence propping up gouging/inflated prices.
Yeah I checked and the few listings I saw were 2000$ and over.
@@Hartbreak1 Nah, no one is getting 2000, I would sell it for that in an instant. Will put it on eBay soon and will start at $1 but also take stab at $700 buy now. Won't sell for that.
I just sold mine on eBay, I even tried to market it a little on Instagram. $650. So what I said in the video is 100% accurate.
How is battery life of the Leica ?!
Pretty good. Older processors don’t require much power.
For most people the X1 is perfectly fine. The X100VI seems a bit overkill for the demanding Tik Tok market they want to supply.
Honestly, Fujifilm could have just put an instax OVF on their cheap X-A range and it sold it at the same price for a huge profit - I don't think most of the people just following the trend would have cared.
The market that the X100VI is for seem pretty happy with it. The focal length and resolution make a little sense to me personally than the Q3.
If you were offering, I'd maybe take the X1, just because it might be more fun to play with the constraints - but I have other cameras. If I had no other cameras, I'd take the X100 because of the versatility.
The X1 is also nice for sure. And even more affordable.
@@mattiasburling I am surprised how much I like the Leica's higher mid tones in those comparison shots. The Fujifilm looks a little muddy/hazy by comparison. Is this their default tone curve, or did you process them a bit?
It’s pretty much default. I’ve mostly adjusted the contrast.
Fuji has the right idea. Why change a commercial winner? Imagine Volkswagen radically altering the Beetle when it was hot. Its market wants a quality experience without Leica prices. Creating a plastic equivalent will scarcely make a dent in demand.
3:41 when looking at these particular photos I'd say the Fuji has definitely a more visible golden look than the leica
I was speaking in general.
Do you still have the Pixii ?
To me, the Leica images look much better … not bad for an old camera …
Imagine in 2030, "Canon R5 - is it still usable?".
@@mattiasburling Now that I have settled on having the Nikon Z9/Z8/Zf cameras - I'm banking on having those cameras beyond 2030. 😛 And when I want smaller, OM-1 (digital and film) and Panasonic GX9.
Is that dog a new member of the family?
No it was a dog I met on the street. 12 years old and super chill.
@@mattiasburling For a 12 years old image, it holds up quite well.
If Leica would have only spent an EVF on the X-Series, they would sell like crazy for sure. For me it does not fit the Leica style to capture with eyes on the Screen.
The X 113 use the same external EVF as the TL2, which is actually really nice and tiltable. But I agree, an internal would have been nice. And Leica did include that in the next model (the 116).
@@mattiasburlingyeah. But to be honest an external EVF looks not to good and reduces the pocketability. For me its a fail. I also think a 35mm Q would also sell like crazy.
Depends on how you view it. The looks I dont care about at all, and what you and I say looks bad is someone else's beauty. But I dont agree on it reducing pocketability, its imo the opposite. Being able to remove it makes the camera smaller compared to if it was built in.
The Leica CL is the only answer. Grab one if you found one. To be fair i have a M10 too but is still not that portable compare to a CL.
@@chyen01 very affordable now as well. Tempted to buy one again almost every week.
As of Apr 2024, price of the Leica used on eBay is about the same as the new Fuji (provided you can get one). So the higher res sensor, hybrid viewfinder and arguably better video (who uses Fuji for video?) and features on the Fuji vs. better lens, the brand cachet, hand feel and user experience of the Leica are going to battle. One may find either a better fit.
No it isn’t. I bought mine in eBay in April 2024.
I always loved the Leica X. But to be honest. Having the choice of a used Leica X for around 1200€ in Germany or a new Fujifilm which has already a great viewfinder build in... It is the Fujifilm. Simply because of the newer technology.
The Fuji is twice the price here in Europe.
@@mattiasburling Well, you are right. The X100 vi costs around 1800€ here in Luxembourg where I live. And a used x113 on ebay Kleinanzeigen in Germany gets sold for around 1100-1200€. But still, a lot of money for a used 10 year old Digicam. Even if it is a Leica.
I just sold mine on eBay, I even tried to market it a little on Instagram. $650. So what I said in the video was accurate.
I find the Leica more overpriced than the Fuji. A comparison between the X100S/T/F vs the Typ113 would be more realistic. Both in price and specs. Ps, they are all great.
But then we might as well compare to the x2 which is cheaper than all of them.
@@mattiasburling x20?
@@jaspervos4345 Leica x2.
The Leica is cheaper, better looking, and produce better images (lens, color, aperture). The Fuji has more megapixels (useless), a viewfinder, tillable LCD and stabilisation. So I would choose the Leica 100%
Both have stabilization.
Unfortunately in the US, the Typ 113 cost almost the same, sometimes more, than the X100VI. The X1 and X2 do cost less, but are even older and have worse lens. A cheaper Fuji body paired with a TTArtisan lens yield better images compared to an X2 in my experience.
I cant say that I agree with that. In my experience the X2 23mm outperforms even Fujis 23mm, let alone a TTartisan.
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Never been a fan of how the Leica X looks. There's something early to mid 2000's about it's design that hasn't aged well. One could argue, that the Fuji looks a lot more than a Leica M5/M6 than an actual digital Leica.
If looks are important then neither is good looking imo 😅
5:38 "both the leica and the sony"?
Yes, both the Leica X and the Sony RX1Rii that Im talking about.
@@mattiasburling ah, got confused because it was fuji on the video
Hmmm… someone has a new name for his channel. 😊
Simply put, Fuji wins
Depends.
This video might have been more relevant a few years ago when the price for a used X Typ 113 was low, but with ebay prices for used models going for nearly $1500, there is absolutely no justification to buy the older camera unless you're dying for the red badge.
This simply isn’t true. People got to stop doing a quick search on eBay and believe the ASKING prices of the PAID top spots are the same as what they actually sell for.
I just sold mine on eBay, I even tried to market it a little on Instagram. $650. So what I said in the video was accurate.
You are comparing a Panasonic to a Fujifilm 😂
Panasonic makes APS-C cameras? 🎥 must have missed those..
It's not a Panasonic clone but a real Leica Made in Germany so you're wrong there.
People STILL parrot this? Wild.
These definitely aren’t a Panasonic camera haha. I have one and a LUMIX, vastly different
Just comparing any camera against any Leica makes Leica the loser.
Unlike these type of comments? ;)
All kidding and regular Leica bashing aside. No camera in the history of the world is objectively better than another. Its always just subjective feelings from the person deciding.
What is objectively true is that Leica makes cameras with features that no other manufactures make. So for people who want those features, its them or nothing. The same goes for Fuji and all the other camera makers out there.