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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2015
- Seeing that a tenor sax reed wasn't a roaring success in a bass trombone, let's try it in a pair of smaller trombones... Just a bit of fun...
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you can actually get overtones on a saxophone, just like you can on a bone or trumpet. its how i practice altissimo. they actually make saxes with no keys on them, just a body. wish i owned a bone, i want to try overtone with a sax mouthpiece
+Kenneth Fleming Thats what i was thinking. U can change the note u play just with ur mouthpiece too. I can play about an octave. Also, have u heard of the slide sax :D
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i have, they are very interesting instruments!
*i have never heard anyone call a trombone just **_bone_** you have made my day*
you can get a plastic tenor trombone on ebay new for about $80
The piccolo trombone with the tenor sax mouthpiece sounded like the lower range of a clarinet, oddly enough
Because a clarinet has cylindrical tubing like a trombone.
@@ChiptuneDCI the clarinet is actually a cylindrical instrument, hence why it overblows a 12th and not an octave like most woodwinds do. Clarinets only flair out at the bell to project the sound. Saxophones on the otherhand ofc are conical and overblow an octave.
You can get different harmonic tones by using saxophone overtones, i was able to get my tenor mouthpiece to do a concert Bb when paired with my tenor trombone
You're not supposed to think about saxophones in the shower.
YoMonster BA DUM TSSSH
Or youll get a tromboner
Alex Paulsen wait you don't I'm so sorry
*i have made a mistake*
This made me *HORNy*
The Soprano sounded like a didgeridoo
The first thing I said when he got the piccolo was "Aww, it's ADORABLE!!"
Did anyone see the chainsaw behind him?
gangstreG123 lol
It IS possible to induce a reed instrument mouthpiece to play higher in the overtone series. The most obvious way is with a vent, like the octave pips on a saxophone, but this only gets you to the second harmonic. The rest have to be reached with a combination of finger hole venting and oral cavity shaping to set up the proper resonances. It's not an obvious thing, but it's essential to getting to the third and higher harmonics on a saxophone (not so much for a clarinet's third, but it starts to matter for the fourth). In fact, the "recycling" of fingering patterns in altissimo is very much like the recycling of valve patterns on a trumpet, and it takes a great deal of control to get the reed to cooperate. Since this isn't your specialty, I wouldn't expect you to have the necessary skills to do this. It's not just biting down, but more akin to changing the pitch of notes when you whistle.
Many saxophone students never get beyond that second harmonic, or very low into the third (the alternate fingerings for high E, F, and F#), so it's not something you're likely to discover just by fooling around with the instrument. Still, playing a saxophone in a bugle-like fashion is very much possible, and was a training method advocated by Sigurd Rascher. Just knowing his name will enable you to find more details on this technique if you are so inclined.
1:55 Best version of "Mary had a little lamb"
if you knew overtones i believe you would be able to use it similarly although im not too entirely sure
This is what i was going to comment too.
It sounds like a bass clarinet xD
It is possible to achieve higher pitches using overtones on the mouthpiece, although it is hard to do it is possible and the note sequence is the same as the harmonic series
I had a classmate who traded his sax mouthpiece with a euphonium player's mouthpiece, and the results were hilarious!
Soprano trombone + tenor sax mouthpiece = dubstep
Lol the last one sounded like a bass cl
Your ligature is on backwards. The screw goes on the right.
Benjamin Ratliff It's a special ligature. The screw goes on the left. If it were to be backwards the screw would be on the back.
Naw that ligature is on backwards, the two metal bars are supposed to go on the back so the cloth or leather in some cases hold the reed on
I'm pretty sure its because everything is backwards in the southern hemisphere
I guess you watched the saxophone
Some ligatures are made like that
is it just me or does active what Robert what a trumpone would sound like? (Trombone slide and trumpet keys)
This is how dubstep is made, kids
Speaking of getting a higher fundamental on those instruments. My friend Marco, who is an experienced Saxophonist, has tried a similar experiment with an Also reed and mouthpiece on a sousaphone. He was able to get up to the F partial on the Bb sousaphone. I think if you got a better Sax player, and/or a conical instrument, you could achieve different partials. There may be other factors I'm not considering, but that's a good start.
Have you considered using other reeds? Perhaps an alto sax, bari sax, or clarinet mouthpiece on the various trombones.
Where did you buy that piccolo trombone
That ligature on the tenor sax mouthpiece is upside down. The screw on all saxophone ligatures is meant to be on the right side of the mouthpiece, and tightened by turning the screw in the direction going away from the player.
What brand is your pccolo trombone?
I actually made a double reed with a straw and made a sort of monopitch horn with it that sounds more like a beginner playing the tuba, and the tubing isn't even that long I'd say it's like three feet.
Woodwinds is weird I play various sax tenor alto sop and bari and clarinet and trumpet when I press down the top 3 buttons is a G but g note does not come out g hole for it is already covered by g fingering it comes out the f hole. e . d and and lower on the sax body
I feel devastated. All this time I thought reeds worked perfectly well on brass instruments. I'm crushed.
They can work. Brass instruments don't work on such an extremely different principle to woodwinds. The only problem is that from the looks of it this guy hasn't figured out yet how to go up partials on a woodwind mouthpiece - or it's particularly hard on a tenor mpc or that particular design of a horn. IDK.
Hey Trent! With practice you can produce a higher fundamental tone, overtones are in fact still plausible on single reeded instruments. However it does take plenty of practice
Huh... super interesting! I'm suprised you even got the fundamentals at all! Where do you get all your instruments? I'm sure you don't buy them all new, correct?
ummm, where`s the link?
And on that bombshell it's time to end. Thanks for watching, GOODNIGHT
You actually can go through the same harmonic series on saxophone as you can on brass, but you don't get those harmonics by tightening your lips like you would on a brass instrument. It's all about your throat and tongue position.
I think that you would ideally have a very high-pitched woodwind instrument's mouthpiece on an alto or tenor brass instrument, for this sort of playing, perhaps from a soprano or soprillo saxophone. If it were possible, as well, you would also want a double-slide, allowing for a range possibly much larger than (standard) woodwind ranges.
This is from quite a long time ago, but it could still be interesting.
A soprano sax mouthpiece on a tenor trombone and a sopranino sax mouthpiece on an alto trombone will be great, along with tenor sax mouthpiece on tenor trombone and alto sax mouthpiece on alto trombone!!!! And vice versa for these pairs of mouthpieces!!!
Using a sax mouthpiece worked on my friends baritone when he put the sax mouthpiece into the brass mouthpiece. It actually sounded much like a normal brass instrument.
So, would the reverse work..... using a mouthpiece for a contra bass sax on the trombone?
if it can fit, you can probably get sounds out, regardless of what musical value they have
I could probably get more notes in the harmonic series using the embouchure required for altissimo notes on the saxophone
You will also need a Sopranino sax mouthpiece!
i think a Bb clarinet mouthpiece might work better at its smaller.
I see someone's been watching a bit of Top Gear.
The tenor sax ligature is on backwards
Levi Radford he is using a certain ligature where you put it on like that
Instromusical nope thats a leather ligature. You only put it on like that for metal ligatures
Been watching top gear recently?
No, why?
"On that bombshell, it's time to end."
Ahh yes, I'm waiting for the next season to come out, so it must have been on my mind. All of my videos are unscripted, so it wasn't something I planned on saying.
Well.
i was searching for this comment
I am a brass player and I have attempted to play woodwind instruments, but never majored in one ever and even my attempts to play them were horrible. So my thought may not be correct but I think this is why you were getting the results you got.
Brass instruments don't have holes all over their sides for the air to vent, and the mouthpiece and reed of the tenor sax mouthpiece isn't exactly airtight like a brass mouthpiece. From there, I'm still a little unsure about the results though
If you try a soprano sax (or clarinet) mouthpiece to the piccolo trumpet you will get a range from C#2 to C4 with only the 1st overtone (1st registry) which here with the reed is the C3 , and 3rd overtone (2nd regitsry) which here is the C4 and all intermediate notes with the 4 valves. Furthermore with an intermediate overtone and maybe higher overtones you get more notes and possibly get more than 2 octaves. To have easier jumps to the 3 basic overtoves of the mouthpiece with the reed you need a small registry hole at the plastic-tube adaptor very cloose to the mouthpiece that connect the soprano sax mouthpiece with the trumpet tube which you open for higher than the 1st overtone . So strangely somehow the piccolo trumpet is turned in to an instrument of range lower than a tenor saxophone ...somehow like a bass saxophone or like a C3/G2 trombone ! (and definetly easier to play compared to the piccolo trumpet with the lips mouthpiece).With a double reed like that say of a basson you get more easily more than the 1st overtones compared to the single reed, as the double reed is more susceptible to lips pressure variations.
Try a soprano sax mouthpiece on the trombones?
Tenor saxophone mouthpiece on bass trombone was *So low you **_couldn't HEAR IT!_*
Trent w would you let me have any old instruments that you have but dont play amymoree??
The only old instruments that I have which I don't play anymore (and don't want) is a flute and an old trumpet.
A soprano sax mouthpiece on a tenor trombone and a sopranino sax mouthpiece on an alto trombone will be great, along with tenor sax mouthpiece on tenor trombone and alto sax mouthpiece on alto trombone!!!!
I know what your saying but comparing it to the trumpet I'm played for 4 years c is the highest note but no valves it's basically like a b sharp
Euphonium Saxophone my dude
Additional pressure on reed and a closer throat for air flow will get you higher series - but maintaining pitch is harder and harder for each additional series you jump to. Can't go lower, though.
You would need a Bass Sax Mouthpiece
Also Contrabass saxophone mouthpiece etc!!!!!
A Soprano sax mouthpiece would work better. There's also the High F Piccolino Trombone
Also Sopranino saxophone mouthpiece etc!!!!!
The bassoon crook and reed does work but you just didn't play the feed right I have played trombones me and bassoon for 9 years
think of the water key as an octave key @trent Hamilton
Without the mechanisms to produce overtones you have only extended the length of the mouthpiece. Except for the 1st octave on a saxophone, the overtones produced by a saxophone and trombone are exactly the same.
press the spit valve in lou of a register key
OMG....It.s so cute!
Piccolo instruments are great at parties!
im pretty sure that a tenor sax mouthpiece would be best fitted to a tenor trombone because of the similar range and for the soprano trombone a soprano sax mouthpiece would fit better and by the way a tenor trombone is a normal one
Partials on woodwinds are technically possible, though perhaps not with this setup. Certainly, my C and A pennywhistles can go up a partial (of sorts) on its upper octave, which is weird: C -> High C (expected) -> High G (!) -> Eardrum Killing C (expected).
+Mush V. Peets Being a master of the pennywhistle and being a high brass player, I decided to see how many partials I could reach. After eardrum-killing C or Double C (which is played easiest if the top hole is vented, like when playing a High C), we have Shrill E (which always has the undertones of a C unless the second hole from the bottom is vented), then Double G (which is easiest to play if the top hole is vented, just like when playing a High C or a Double C), then Double B-flat (which, like on natural brass instruments is flat), then Triple C (best played venting the top hole). The highest that I can play is Triple C, and I can only play the notes in the third octave (from Double C to Double B) that are partials of C or D. The Triple C is the highest note on a piccolo flute for a professional piccolo player, and the pennywhistle has roughly the same range as the piccolo, but plays in a slightly lower register.
Hello. I just found your channel. I was wondering, I believe saxophone is Eb instrument, but Trombone is Bb. It may do to find a weird saxophone in Bb or a weird trombone in Eb? This is just my immediate thought, I won't say I'm any expert.
The alto saxophone is in Eb, and so is the baritone, but the soprano, tenor, and bass saxophones are all in Bb. Alto trombones are in Eb.
You need to try an alto sax mouthpiece and even then put some putty in it to make the chamber smaller. Then it should play in tune and hit more overtones. I make a reed trumpet mouthpiece that I sell.
2:39 is the timestamp you came to see.
Ha! Top Gear outro... Nice.
Actually you _can_ get other partials out of the single-reed mouthpiece, it's just a difficult skill to learn. It's how you play altissimo on saxophones, and Sigurd Rascher wrote an entire book on it and taught the method most of his life. the fact that you can't do it only indicates that it is a difficult skill to pick up, not that it can't be done.
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Hint: it's a bit like whistling. You have to make the resonance of your mouth and throat line up with the note you want to produce.
I feel sad when I watch your videos because the only brass instrument I've ever played a French Horn I rented for a month from my local music store.
Put the slide of a bigger trombone in the piccolo, with the tenor sax mouthpiece. In this way, i think you will able to play more notes.
You actually can get higher fundamentals with a sax mouthpiece, that's basically what altissimo is. The problem is that it's not exactly easy, by design. I bet a jazz saxist could get it to work.
You can actually achuve different fundamental notes with a reed, on saxophones they are called overtones but it takes an experienced saxophone player or a lot of practice to figure out the technic. These overtones are a lot further apart then partials would be on a brass insturement and while you can technically get a full harmonic series it is extremely difficult, most saxophone players can get about one maybe two notes out that are different from the note they are fingering. Annd it is almost impossible to play these overtones in the higher registers of a saxophone
Trent you didn't exactly do it right.. why did you use tenor sax reeds? what about using an alto sax or even a soprano sax mouth piece? those would probably create something good
Now use contrabass trombone and deepest playing sax mouthpiece and put them together
The ligature is on backwards
And on that bombshell
How about a higher mouthpiece than a Tenor sax one? That's probably why it's so low. Try a clarinet or Soprano Sax
Try putting an alto sax mouthpiece on a marching baritone. I thought it sounded funny
The ligature was upside down on the sax mouth piece.
You should use a clarinet reed and a soprano trombone
Mabe try an alto Saxophone mouthpice & reed. Or mabe an soprano Saxophone Mp & reed 😁
Every time you say sax it sounds like sex love your vids
The Tenor Sax reed is really low on other instruments
Is anyone gonna talk about how he says sax? Or no? Just me?
ive played tbone for three years, our c is the same pitch as concert c, it is c in a way, just because first position is b flat doesnt mean the instrument is in b flat, we have the same key signatures as flutes. maybe we are miscellaneous key.
+Maxwell Kowal That is because of the clef, not the instrument. First position is the fundamental and is the key of the instrument.
hmm, well we still treat it as if it was c. but could you explain why it is the same key signature as flutes on musescore? It literally has the same key signature as a flute, btw im in 8th grade band, marched with high school. I just dont understand. the clef has b flat as one line down from treble cleff. we still read in c.
Trent Hamilton wait, when i think about it, if trumpets fundamental note is played open with no resistance, wouldnt tbones have to go to 6th position in order to have as open as it is? wait that was stupid question lol :&
+Trent Hamilton The way the key of an instrument is determined is by how the instruments relative C sounds. A trombone sounds a C and a trumpet a Bb for example as such they are C and Bb respectively.
that's basically what ive learned
The ligature on the tenor mouth piece is supposed to have the metal up.😑
You also couldve used a baritone sax mouthpiece on a bass trombone
Plz put a reed on a flute!!!
DJXT Vlogs I don't think it works like that but mybe
A flute literally just has a hole m8 it’s not possible unless u like weld it
Put the mouthpiece of flute on the end of a saxophone
Your ligature on the tenor sax mouthpiece in the beginning was upside down
Hunter Alexander that's actually a common thing certain ligatures are designed to be able to be used like that most leather or synthetic ligatures are for the player to decide how they like it
I think a soprano sax mouthpiece would work better.
Someone get him a copy of Top Tones!
The ligature is backwards haha
Nick Pastrano it's a special ligature lol
They can be placed either way
I like the sound, tho XD
the ligature is upside down.
There's no A in Kerry had a little lamb
evan lavender I love that song
The tenor sax mouthpiece on the piccolo sounded like a fart
It's cus your playing the fundamentals ur basically just playing pedals. U can actually lip it if u knew had to play woodwinds im done it on a baritone
Bari Sax mouth peice on a bass trombone
Try a bari mouthpiece on a trumpet
it would work better with a smaller mouthpiece (like a clarinet)
Ian DiPuccio I don't think it'll fit
Can u try that trombone with a barry saxophone mouth peace
Unfortunately I don't have a baritone sax mouthpiece. :(
Oh
Daniel Laager Ultra autocorrect brah
Contrabass sax moutnpiece haha
Heresy?
i can play the one fundamental...and a squik.