Correction: Dan Patrick not being about to see Angel Reese value to her team compared to CC is why he has lost credibility. When you have a insider as a guest on your show to talk about a topic you invited him to talk about than keep cutting him off cause you don’t like his what his saying is hilarious 😂😂😂🤡
If you’re saying it’s not close then you have a bias. It is close. They play different positions and impact the game in different ways. It’s about preference and bias.
@@fabianmusefano6402 Not saying every guest has to agree. Of course not. But they should at least be intellectually honest about things and stick to the facts.
Agreed!. Despite AR possibly being the best rebounder of all-time, the ROTY race is over (odds -1000). CC produces the most points in the WNBA while being the most closely guarded. CC is simply unstoppable until Christie Sides takes the ball out of her hands. Caitlin is 1 away from a WNBA record 6 consecutive PTS/AST DbDb. CC is a virtual lock on becoming the all-time full season leader in AST & APG while achieving a record 17+PTS, 8+REB & 6+REB. Wow!
Dude lost credibility when he said let's not talk about STATS. The delusional rationalization of arguing Angel Resse over CC is not based in reality. Non sense how Angel gets fantasy points as if shes a Defensive force in the paint because ahe gets her own missed LAYUPS. She doest BLOCK SHOTS or is the Teams OFf go to. No one guards her because they are on Cardosa in the paint leaving Angel open to miss half her Layups. If Resse wins ROTY than CC got Robbed and Angel Resse 4 life will be the ROTY participation winner entire Career will be Trolled and be labeled the sympathy Vote who won because all these Lesbians are propably SIMPin all over her and Hate Clarks popularity and can see her Future will be better than theirs because she is a great player.
Caitlin Clark is the roty because she is the main player the opposing team gameplans for. Players bring their best every game against CC how many times has AR been picked up 94 feet? AR benefits from here teammates and CCs teammates benefit from her skill set and the defensive attention she demands. One question will kill this whole debate, who would you build your team around? It’s a no brainer
At least Lefkoe admits it's about money to him and that he doesn't care about the fact that Clark is the ROY. Lefkoe is playing the game and it's a really BAD look. Thanks Dan for maintaining true sports reporting and integrity. Lefkoe is pathetic.
Clearly it is clark. Roy is based on individual performance not team performance. Patrick is right this is silly. There is no tie. This has nothing to do with how both teams are doing
If you grabbed a bunch of basketball gurus, who don’t know about Clark or Reese … gave them Clark’s numbers and Reese’s numbers and have them name a ROTY … they would unanimously point to Clark. Forget the gibberish flowing out of hoodboy’s mouth.
@@edwardfitzgerald3877 Only in a parallel universe that operated on an idiocracy. No unbiased, reasonable competent judge of basketball performance, would give Reese the ROTY. Analytics? The analytics of her poor ability to make a layup … a LAYUP?! The analytics that take into consideration that many of those choked layup attempts (aka stat padding attempts), didn’t even hit the rim? How do you miss the rim entirely, from less than 5 feet away, with the biggest ball in all of women’s professional sports?! What ‘analytics’ expert would consider all that, AND her double dribbles … and conclude that Angel Reese is deserving of a Rookie Of The Year award? If there were a pill to help with delusion, I would recommend you and the ESPN drones, take two.
@@johnmartins94 Amongst rookies, Angel Reese ranks #1 in PIE, a formula that compiles everything a single player does in a game (points scored, rebounds, blocks, missed free throws, etc.) and weighs that number against the same stats generated by everyone in that same game. This isn't opinion. Just plain facts. Reese is also ahead of Clark in player efficiency rating, field goal percentage, defensive rating, net rating, win shares, defensive win shares, opponents points of second chance, opponents points of turnovers, plus/minus, etc. Numbers says Reese is more impactful. Numbers don't lie, and they don't care about your feelinga or your biased opinion.
@@edwardfitzgerald3877 So this PIE formula also looks at points related to rebounds? If Reese throws up a brick ( from less than 5 feet away), rebounds it, throws a second choke, rebounds it, then actually makes the bucket … that equates to one point per rebound. Let’s take a peek at assists (a category Caitlin Clark leads the league in): Every assist equates to a minimum of two points (sometimes three). in one game Caitlin Clark was responsible for 60 of the Fever’s 84 points, by way of assists and points she scored herself. What does the flawed PIE say about that? In a quarter century of WNBA basketball, NO rookie EVER achieved a triple double. Caitlin Clark achieved that elusive feat a few games AFTER barely missing the mark, due to an incompetent coach. What does PIE say about that? The Weaker roster Fever beat the top team in the league (within which, that trip-dub was established). What did superstar Reese do to that same team? Have her stat-padding run shut down, in a loss. What does PIE say about that? Again, a panel of unbiased people with eyeballs and a good knowledge of basketball performance, would select Caitlin Clark for ROTY. Luckily for Reese, Clark has a dolt for a coach AND her teammates couldn’t catch many of her passes, early on … otherwise … Reese wouldn’t even be in the conversation, other than an honorable mention. You claim to be a fan of facts … look at all of them.. As for who actually gets the prize … I don’t care. The WNBA is still the NBA’s money pit, and a drama reality show masquerading as a legitimate sport.
@@johnmartins94 PIE would say that both Caitlin and Angel are amazing rookies, that both have a tendency to miss shots, that one misses from close range but under contact, that one misses from longer range but on open shots, that one rebounds alot, including some of her own missed shots, that one passes a lot, including to the other team, and that Reese is #1 and Clark #2 in their rookie class.
There is no one (who isn't pushing an agenda) that can look at Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese play (or at their stats) and think hmmm...Angel Reese is better. It's absurd and mind boggling that there are people like this guy still trying to create a narrative that Caitlin Clark is not the best rookie in the league. My guess with this Lefkoe character is that, before the season, he bet a lot of money on Angel Reese winning rookie of the year at really high odds. Just wanted some action. Probably got close to +1000 or something. What a slime ball.
I can look at Angel and say she’s more consistent than CC. But they play two different positions so yeah Caitlin is the best rookie guard but Angel is the best rookie forward.
Here's the fairest possible stats comparison right now between Clark and Reese, imho: their rankings in all of the major categories compared to teammates and also vs the entire WNBA, using averages per game instead of totals (since they haven't played the same # of gms so far). See for yourself who's contributed more to their teams and has excelled more relative to other top performers in the league: Clark: Fever: 1st in assists & steals, 2nd in pts, 3rd in rebounds & blocks; most turnovers WNBA: 2nd in ast, 9th in stl, 14th in blk, 15th in pts, 19th in reb; most turnovers Reese: Sky: 1st in reb, 2nd in pts & stl, 3rd in blk, 5th in ast; 2nd most turnovers WNBA: 1st in reb, 9th in stl, 21st in pts, 27th in blk, 53rd in ast; 33rd most turnovers Note that Clark and 2 others (Stewart, a 6x all-star & 2x MVP; and Collier, a 4x all-star) are the ONLY ones ranked in the top 20 in pts/reb/ast/stl/blk. Also, Clark is 1st among all guards in rebounds and blocks. And Clark is currently only 0.1 ast/game behind Thomas for the league lead. Finally, on the Fever, Clark is only 0.1 pts/game behind Mitchell in scoring at the moment, while Reese is 3.1 pts/game behind Carter on the Sky. Let's also examine shooting percentages (along with their rankings among the league) - yes, Clark can be better and she's improving as she's been adjusting to defenses (who all have her #1 on their scouting reports), but peep how close their FG%s are - there's no way that a power forward should have anywhere near the same FG% as a point guard: Clark: 40.3% FG (32nd), 34.0% 3s (23rd), 89.2% FT (5th) Reese: 41.1% FG (29th), 22.2% 3s (too low to be ranked), 75.2% FT (32nd) One caveat is that obviously Clark's FG% and 3pt% on average is affected by certain factors unique to her only: as previously stated she is at the top of everyone's scouting reports and thus has been pressed/blitzed/double-teamed more than any other guard, plus she shoots longer distance 3s more often than anyone else.
So this genius says that because the Sky is a better team Reese is rookie of the year. Which team is more improved? What percentage of Reese's rebounds are due to her being a 40% shooter from 5 ft. Reese is a one dimensional player. Clark does it all. He has to be here for click bait, no one can be that stupid.
CC 15th in points/game (#1 rookies)/19th rebs/game (#3 rookies/#1 guards)/2nd asst/game (#1 rookies)/10th steals/game (#1 rookies)/14th blocks/game (#1 guards/#3 rookies). INSANE CC about to break Angel’s 15 game streak but with assists and almost the same amount of defensive rebounds. Angel front rims layups to get these unheard of Offensive Rebound numbers (triple the amount of the league’s top rebounders). Not even close. And CC has played her gauntlet already, Angel’s remaining opponents .520 (.628 road games) CC remaining .466 (.405 road games) hence the 1-9 Fever start. Don’t act like y’all don’t know who they each played.
It is funny how the Sky coach has to bench Cardoso who is the #2 pick. Once Reese got a double-double, the coach immediately took her out with Cardoso. That, my friends, is called padding your stats.
@@dinkyb2000 , she went 5/17 in Wednesday's Liberty game! No threes! Almost ALL of Reese's shots are within 5 feet of the hoop! Either she simply cannot make a lay-up . . . or she's statpadding. Your choice.
@@MaymeIke and so was Shaq and he dominated and so was Rodman who I really compare Reese to CC can't play defense either I'm just saying, she is the great white hype Aja is the best in the world so stop hyping this woman up like she is all that because she played well in college and didn't win shit
Lefkoe's argument is as dumb as possible Patrick is bang on. There is no race to be had the stas back it up. CC most points generated in the entire league. Reese most rebounds. When rebounds start counting directly towards wins, I'll vote for Angel. Points count directly toward wins. Especially when tou see the rebounds Angel is being credited with. She is a one trick pony. CC does it all.
Except play defense. So you're saying rebounds is not important? You clearly knows nothing about basketball. They're both great at their respected position rebounds also contribute to wins
Angel Reese gets dbl/dbl's because she misses shots under the rim and gets her own rebounds. She is tall with terrible ball handling skill. Watch her try to dribble, she shoots free throws from her hip. Her being mentioned as "rookie of the year" is an insult to WNBA.
Angel Reese is a tremendous ROLE player. Caitlin Clark is already the face of the WNBA and is dang near carrying that entire league on her back. Not to mention she’s already the best player and playmaker on her team that is in the playoff race. I’m not sure who’s going to win the ROTY, but no serious, unbiased person is going to argue that Angel Reese is the more valuable player. Reese is a respectable and worthy runner-up to CC..
This guy is off his rocker. All ya half to do is ask "You have a new franchise team and your picking your first player.................who ya picking?". Answer is Caitlin Clark!
"Dead even"? In what way? Reese accounts for about 16 to 20 points or so a game, between her points and assists. Her rebounding? What percentage of those are rebounds of her own shots SHE MISSES RIGHT UNDER THE BASKET? Clark, between points and assists, has been accounting for about half of the Fever's point totals, exceeding 50 quite often. She passes up shots to get the ball to her teammates. She could be dropping 30 a night plus without a doubt. Reese is a 1 1/2 trick pony. Clark's pony has enough tricks to make a magician jealous.
Who’s bringing in new fans? Selling out away games? Enabling opponents to move to larger arenas to meet ticket demands? Putting up solid numbers- points and assists-wise? Breaking rookie records? Who’s doing ALL of these things? Not AR 🤷♂️ Seems like an easy choice…
E X A C T L Y, CW. Huge aspect(s), considering the key 'CAITLIN CLARK EFFECT' in addition to the actual basketball stats. It's her WNBA impact, LEAGUE WIDE, that has made such a sensation in 2024. The CC EFFECT. And that is a definite, enormous and very special edge over Miss Fake Eyelashes Reese or anyone else for that matter this year.
@@Querencias7 Agreed. She’s doing things that are rare for most athletes, just in terms of the audience. Very few athletes sell out opponent arenas… many help sell out their home arenas. I actually almost turned on their game tonight versus the Mercury. I’ve NEVER turned on a WNBA game to watch. Never… and I’ve been watching basketball since forever. CC is fun to watch- I usually watch a highlight video of her games. She is one of the best pure shooters I have ever seen, male or female, and she is a tremendous passer. It will be interesting to see if the WNBA screws this whole opportunity up somehow. 🙄
Thank you Dan Patrick. The arguments against CC are ridiculous and AR maybe the best rebounder of all-time. CC produces the most points in the WNBA while being the most closely guarded. CC is simply unstoppable until Christie Sides takes the ball out of her hands. Caitlin is 1 away from a WNBA record 6 consecutive PTS/AST DbDb. CC is a virtual lock on becoming the all-time full season leader in AST & APG. Dennis Rodman (AR) can't compare with a combination of Magic/Steph (CC).
I see people saying that Lefko is biased, but who was it that had Caitlin Clark on his show last year at the beginning of the season and couldn’t stop glowing?… Let’s be honest… EVERYONE HAS A BIAS!!! Well, I do think that Clark is having a better rookie of the year… It’s MUCH CLOSER than ppl think. RESPECT TO BOTH players.
Discrediting Angel Reese like that is kind of crazy. CC is a good player and so is Angel. They play different positions and they are both doing well at those positions. The Fever is lost without CC and the Sky is lost without AR.
Really? Are you dumb? Kamila is better than Reese anytime. Reese is nobody in Chicago, the coach just utilize reese to pit against Clark @ sacrificing Kamila in the process! Pathetic
Clark is 2nd in Assists (about to be #1) and is top 20, top 15 or top 10 in EVERY statistical category. EVERY CATEGORY -- Reese doesn't even crack the top 20 in any other category except REB and STL (and she's tied for 10th with CC in the steals column) When Cardoso is not playing or on the bench, Reese's numbers are pedestrian. Her streak started when Kamilla came back from injury. Kamilla goes down again or is forced to sit out a game -- streak over, and her mediocrity exposed.
One stat that no one talks about is field goal percentage. Caitlin Clark has a field goal percentage 39.8% and Angel Reese has a field goal percentage of 40.2%. Angel Reese is a low post player and has shot 10 3-pointers all year and made 2. Sixty-five percent of Caitlin Clark's shots are 3-pointers. Why is Angel Reese shooting 40 percent from the low post? Two-thirds of Clark's shots are 3-pointers and they have the same field goal percentage? Until Angel Reese is shooting 45-50 percent from the paint it's hard to argue that she is having a complete year. Of the other top rookies who are low post (don't really consider Cameron Brink in that category), Rickea Jackson (45.8%), Aaliyah Edwards (48.2%) and Kamilla Cardoso (46.1%) all have significantly better FG%.
You’re creating a narrative that does not pass eye test. CC is ROTY and maybe eventually on the second half, barring injury, can be on the list for MVP of the league.
This AR vs CC has gotten out of hand.......Maybe the only thing the WNBA has gotten right is this brings Views..... Everyone Relax Maybe AR gets Rookie of the year. So What????? .....When both are on there 10th Season That will tell the story.......
Lefkoe truly believes what he says and gets personal with the well renowned , esteemed Patrick who actually has a vote. Lefkoe sounds off like the typical AR ROTY supporter
The padded rebound stats say it all! Now...if there was a prize for missing easy layups and picking up your own bricks then yeah...AR gets a prize...of some kind...
I've Watched all the SKY games and Fever Games - You are way off to think Reese is more skilled than Clark. You didn't coach, you didn't play at a high level, and it seems that all you've is work in Vegas where social media drives bets.
Caitlin Clark is a better all-around player. She scores, rebounds well for a guard is near the top of a league in assists has more blocked shots , and is a superior free throw shooter . The fever have improved their own loss record from last year and the Sky have a lower won loss percentage than last year. I think Caitlin has made a bigger impact in helping the fever get better.
As of the date of this post: CC AR Scoring: 12th 24th Assists: 1st 57th Rebounds: 19th 1st Steals: 12th 10th (they’re actually tied at an average of 1.5) 3 pts: 5th. 96th Blocks: 15th. 35th CC is top twenty in all categories while AR is in the top twenty in only 2. It would be interesting to see if there are any other players in the league in the top twenty in all categories. There is no race for RotY. It's over.
lol comparing Reese to Clark and saying they are equally important for their teams, much less as individual players, is a joke. Bench Clark, and the Fever are losing damn near every game. Bench Reese, and the Sky distribute her 10 points elsewhere and she's not there to rebound her own missed layups. Reese broke one record that both her team and other teams helped her manufacture; Clark is breaking records every gd night while everyone is out to stop her. Joke.
It’s too early to argue about who should win it. They have both improved tremendously since the start of the season. Both are on the all star team together. Something like injury could change everything. By the end of the season the winner should be evident..
CC accounts for the most points in the W between her scoring and assists. To me, that says it all. The turnover argument is wild because she leads the W in usage rate as well and she’s the PG. PG’s usually have a tougher time adapting their rookie year than forwards. They both contribute in different ways and are solid players but when you watch their games, CC’s game jumps out the TV.
Will america stop labeling people as black and white I mean damm when its Clearly brown and Pink or red people.lets start there please. I got a white t shirt 👕 have seen a person that color Yet .have you show me please.
Only the Reese supporters are talking about +/- it's because CC plays with the bench players, so her +/- goes as the game goes, she's not sitting out when Mitchell and Boston come out. If she only cared about Stats she'd be breaking every record in the WNBA....she is and she isn't trying, let that sink in.
CC has the better overall game. She affects the game more and gets her teammates involved more, regardless is a post player or off guard. She spaces the floor and created passing lanes depending on where the D is playing and makes pinpoint assists. In addition, she completely controls the pace of the game which other teams have difficulty with and puts pressure on teams passing the full length of the court on breaks. This is a NO BRAINER for ROY.
I watched the Aces game and just don't see it. Reese stands around, plays no defense, and blunders her way through 35 minutes. People claim 13 and 10 was good. I guess it is just a different skill than the men's game. Cordoso was much more skilled and effective. For the first 18 mins, Reese had 2 points. Anyone that plays 35 minutes should score 2 fg and is bound to get rebounds off of her own misses.
CC is way ahead, I’m from Baltimore and am a fan of both but Caitlyn is just way more important to her team, she contributes atleast half of her teams points
I like how these CC hating analysts twist themselves into a knot to create these "qualifying standards" that sports have never used before to determine ROTY....
There’s no way Angel Reese should win ROTY. The average height of a WNBA player is 5’11” so obviously she’s going to get rebounds with her being 6’3”. A lot of her rebounds are from her own missed layups. Caitlin Clark is a better overall player with her being the overall Assist leader, Better Points Per Game average, leads Reese in Field Goal Percentage even though all Reese does is layups and even Defensively. Caitlin Clark gets more steals a game, and surprisingly, even has twice as many blocks a game than Angel Reese. Angel Reese is pretty much more like a Dennis Rodman since she can get rebounds and can only make layups and not a great shot.
Angle Reese... She does not fight or JUMP for rebounds.. Just holds her arms up. Her double doubles come in Junk play. CC leads the WNBA for contributing to the most points.. her scoring and assists. Reese is a dloth who just stands around. Reese gets shot blocked, lands back in her hands and is counted for a rebound. She probably has 2 rebounds that she actually jumped up for. How does CC have more blocks than Reese ?
Dan Patrick not being about to see Angel Reese value to her team compared to CC is why he has lost credibility. When you have a insider as a guest on your show to talk about a topic you invited him to talk about than keep cutting him off cause you don’t like his what his saying is hilarious 😂😂😂🤡
The funny thing about all of this, is the Caitlin band wagoners will tell you about the Triple Double she had, but let’s discuss her inefficient and dismal 3Pt shooting or the fact she turns the ball over 5 to 6 times a contest. And then there’s Angel Reese, who all like to hate. No one wants to acknowledge, that the double-double streak ended on a quadruple team, let’s see y’all’s hero CC pull up from 21 with 4 people in her face. Bottom line everybody thinks this is one sided, it’s not. Not discrediting CC by any means, but we base the game behind the three ball she ain’t even shooting it at a 35% clip, and her 5.6 turnovers per game is a joke, and she’s averaging 3.0 fouls a game, so I’d like someone to explain to me what makes her stand out, and leave the three ball and that one triple-double out of the talk
That dude is a total fraud. CC has an all around game and Reese has nothing. The reason Reese can score is she puts up her own missed shots. This hoodie is still drunk. Double doubles aren’t enough to get POTY
this is a joke. Caitlin had a triple double against the liberty
Exactly. And he said he bases them off the good teams. And she fkn gets a trip doub on the liberty. Guys a sack of potatoes
And beat the Lynx.
Yes tht sealed the deal
It’s official - Lefkoe has no credibility as a basketball analyst!
agree!
1000% agree.
Correction: Dan Patrick not being about to see Angel Reese value to her team compared to CC is why he has lost credibility. When you have a insider as a guest on your show to talk about a topic you invited him to talk about than keep cutting him off cause you don’t like his what his saying is hilarious 😂😂😂🤡
Agreed.
Caitlin Clark is so obviously the better player. This is insane. Watch the highlights
That's the problem, you watch highlights not games
Facts and ppl don’t understand that Highlights don’t tell the full story
@@akhonazwane4813 watch the games too, it’s not close
Caitlin Clark is the goat
@@akhonazwane4813I watch the games and it’s clear that Clark is more important to her team and winning than Reese. This isn’t even close
Good for Angel Reese, but it's Caitlin Clark all the way. And it's not even close.
If you’re saying it’s not close then you have a bias. It is close. They play different positions and impact the game in different ways. It’s about preference and bias.
Yea the numbers don't lie it's reese
@@andref9663 yea but advanced statistics aren't biased. 😂😂 it's clearly reese.
@@daijourcalloway998 Please elaborate on these advanced stats, Einstein. Triple-double, historic stat line.
@@daijourcalloway998You're clearly color biased.
Please never have this guest on again.
Truth hurts😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Dontplaygranny33Nplz!
Can you imagine Dan inviting a guest who agrees with him on everything? that would be a boring conversation and the producers of the show know it.
@@fabianmusefano6402 Not saying every guest has to agree. Of course not. But they should at least be intellectually honest about things and stick to the facts.
THANKS DAN FOR NOT SELLIN OUT NO WAY IS REESE IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS CLARK NO WAY
Youre right shes better
Reese absolutely is. It’s like comparing Curry vs Giannis. They are different players.
@@Johenznah, Reese is poop
Agreed!. Despite AR possibly being the best rebounder of all-time, the ROTY race is over (odds -1000). CC produces the most points in the WNBA while being the most closely guarded. CC is simply unstoppable until Christie Sides takes the ball out of her hands. Caitlin is 1 away from a WNBA record 6 consecutive PTS/AST DbDb. CC is a virtual lock on becoming the all-time full season leader in AST & APG while achieving a record 17+PTS, 8+REB & 6+REB. Wow!
@@andref9663 The best comparison is Dennis Rodman (AR) to a combination of Steph/Magic (CC)!
This guy is a fraud
No, he's hot take click bait. It's content and he's making a living.
@@adamwright6433still a fraud
which guy? the one who doesn’t know PER?
Dude lost credibility when he said let's not talk about STATS. The delusional rationalization of arguing Angel Resse over CC is not based in reality. Non sense how Angel gets fantasy points as if shes a Defensive force in the paint because ahe gets her own missed LAYUPS. She doest BLOCK SHOTS or is the Teams OFf go to. No one guards her because they are on Cardosa in the paint leaving Angel open to miss half her Layups. If Resse wins ROTY than CC got Robbed and Angel Resse 4 life will be the ROTY participation winner entire Career will be Trolled and be labeled the sympathy Vote who won because all these Lesbians are propably SIMPin all over her and Hate Clarks popularity and can see her Future will be better than theirs because she is a great player.
Adam was more worried about having his hood look "cool" on his big head
what a loser
I thought he was channeling his inner Kevin Garnett. He used to do the whole hoodie hanging off to the side look. 😂
Caitlin Clark is the roty because she is the main player the opposing team gameplans for. Players bring their best every game against CC how many times has AR been picked up 94 feet? AR benefits from here teammates and CCs teammates benefit from her skill set and the defensive attention she demands. One question will kill this whole debate, who would you build your team around? It’s a no brainer
This actually a lie. Clark team is 6 points per 100 better with her OFF the floor. Vs reese 4 points better when she's ON the floor
@@daijourcalloway998wins are the only thing that matter. Plus her team sucks at receiving passes.
@@daijourcalloway998 yeah we know why you cherry picked that stat, Daijour...
Once Liberty put more players to guard her from getting the double double due to her shooting from her hip... Too easy to block.
Check the stats. It’s not even close. Angel is getting help to keep her streak going. I can’t believe this guy said they are even.
Dan is 10000% right
THIS GUY SPENT 5 YEARS IN KINDERGARTEN.
At least Lefkoe admits it's about money to him and that he doesn't care about the fact that Clark is the ROY. Lefkoe is playing the game and it's a really BAD look. Thanks Dan for maintaining true sports reporting and integrity. Lefkoe is pathetic.
Clearly it is clark. Roy is based on individual performance not team performance. Patrick is right this is silly. There is no tie. This has nothing to do with how both teams are doing
Wrong Reese it is
AR consistency, new coach only three players returned and competing with no #1 draft picks.
Advanced stats
@@user-vt5zz9lq1dyou know what’s crazy Caitlin Clark’s odds keeps increasing even with angel Reese’s double double record still kicking😭😭🤏🏼🤏🏼🤏🏼🤏🏼
If ROTY is based on individual performance, then Reese has been the more consistent player this season.
If you grabbed a bunch of basketball gurus, who don’t know about Clark or Reese … gave them Clark’s numbers and Reese’s numbers and have them name a ROTY … they would unanimously point to Clark.
Forget the gibberish flowing out of hoodboy’s mouth.
If you looked at analytics without looking at the names of the players, you would give ROTY to Angel Reese hands down.
@@edwardfitzgerald3877 Only in a parallel universe that operated on an idiocracy. No unbiased, reasonable competent judge of basketball performance, would give Reese the ROTY. Analytics? The analytics of her poor ability to make a layup … a LAYUP?! The analytics that take into consideration that many of those choked layup attempts (aka stat padding attempts), didn’t even hit the rim? How do you miss the rim entirely, from less than 5 feet away, with the biggest ball in all of women’s professional sports?! What ‘analytics’ expert would consider all that, AND her double dribbles … and conclude that Angel Reese is deserving of a Rookie Of The Year award? If there were a pill to help with delusion, I would recommend you and the ESPN drones, take two.
@@johnmartins94 Amongst rookies, Angel Reese ranks #1 in PIE, a formula that compiles everything a single player does in a game (points scored, rebounds, blocks, missed free throws, etc.) and weighs that number against the same stats generated by everyone in that same game. This isn't opinion. Just plain facts. Reese is also ahead of Clark in player efficiency rating, field goal percentage, defensive rating, net rating, win shares, defensive win shares, opponents points of second chance, opponents points of turnovers, plus/minus, etc. Numbers says Reese is more impactful. Numbers don't lie, and they don't care about your feelinga or your biased opinion.
@@edwardfitzgerald3877 So this PIE formula also looks at points related to rebounds? If Reese throws up a brick ( from less than 5 feet away), rebounds it, throws a second choke, rebounds it, then actually makes the bucket … that equates to one point per rebound.
Let’s take a peek at assists (a category Caitlin Clark leads the league in):
Every assist equates to a minimum of two points (sometimes three). in one game Caitlin Clark was responsible for 60 of the Fever’s 84 points, by way of assists and points she scored herself.
What does the flawed PIE say about that?
In a quarter century of WNBA basketball, NO rookie EVER achieved a triple double.
Caitlin Clark achieved that elusive feat a few games AFTER barely missing the mark, due to an incompetent coach.
What does PIE say about that?
The Weaker roster Fever beat the top team in the league (within which, that trip-dub was established).
What did superstar Reese do to that same team? Have her stat-padding run shut down, in a loss.
What does PIE say about that?
Again, a panel of unbiased people with eyeballs and a good knowledge of basketball performance, would select Caitlin Clark for ROTY.
Luckily for Reese, Clark has a dolt for a coach AND her teammates couldn’t catch many of her passes, early on … otherwise … Reese wouldn’t even be in the conversation, other than an honorable mention.
You claim to be a fan of facts … look at all of them..
As for who actually gets the prize … I don’t care. The WNBA is still the NBA’s money pit, and a drama reality show masquerading as a legitimate sport.
@@johnmartins94 PIE would say that both Caitlin and Angel are amazing rookies, that both have a tendency to miss shots, that one misses from close range but under contact, that one misses from longer range but on open shots, that one rebounds alot, including some of her own missed shots, that one passes a lot, including to the other team, and that Reese is #1 and Clark #2 in their rookie class.
There is no one (who isn't pushing an agenda) that can look at Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese play (or at their stats) and think hmmm...Angel Reese is better. It's absurd and mind boggling that there are people like this guy still trying to create a narrative that Caitlin Clark is not the best rookie in the league. My guess with this Lefkoe character is that, before the season, he bet a lot of money on Angel Reese winning rookie of the year at really high odds. Just wanted some action. Probably got close to +1000 or something. What a slime ball.
Advance stats
I can look at Angel and say she’s more consistent than CC. But they play two different positions so yeah Caitlin is the best rookie guard but Angel is the best rookie forward.
It’s not even close with the type of plays, player and all around skill. CC all the way not even a close call on that one!
What do you even know about basketball?
Adam it is not a roty race. It is not close.
Anyone who says Angel Reese is rookie of the year does not know anything about basketball.
Thank this guy for stopping by. Tell him you will get back to him just before your buried.
This guy is a joke. Typical jock sniffer, he was the guy who was always picked last in a picked up game.
I like reese but at the end of the games she starts to miss shots on purpose to get the offensive boards
You try making a shot with like 4 people guarding you
@@chameliosalamander8029I like AR too, but she does rebound her own shots so her stats are kinda inflated. CC is elite and in her own class.
Here's the fairest possible stats comparison right now between Clark and Reese, imho: their rankings in all of the major categories compared to teammates and also vs the entire WNBA, using averages per game instead of totals (since they haven't played the same # of gms so far). See for yourself who's contributed more to their teams and has excelled more relative to other top performers in the league:
Clark:
Fever: 1st in assists & steals, 2nd in pts, 3rd in rebounds & blocks; most turnovers
WNBA: 2nd in ast, 9th in stl, 14th in blk, 15th in pts, 19th in reb; most turnovers
Reese:
Sky: 1st in reb, 2nd in pts & stl, 3rd in blk, 5th in ast; 2nd most turnovers
WNBA: 1st in reb, 9th in stl, 21st in pts, 27th in blk, 53rd in ast; 33rd most turnovers
Note that Clark and 2 others (Stewart, a 6x all-star & 2x MVP; and Collier, a 4x all-star) are the ONLY ones ranked in the top 20 in pts/reb/ast/stl/blk. Also, Clark is 1st among all guards in rebounds and blocks. And Clark is currently only 0.1 ast/game behind Thomas for the league lead. Finally, on the Fever, Clark is only 0.1 pts/game behind Mitchell in scoring at the moment, while Reese is 3.1 pts/game behind Carter on the Sky.
Let's also examine shooting percentages (along with their rankings among the league) - yes, Clark can be better and she's improving as she's been adjusting to defenses (who all have her #1 on their scouting reports), but peep how close their FG%s are - there's no way that a power forward should have anywhere near the same FG% as a point guard:
Clark: 40.3% FG (32nd), 34.0% 3s (23rd), 89.2% FT (5th)
Reese: 41.1% FG (29th), 22.2% 3s (too low to be ranked), 75.2% FT (32nd)
One caveat is that obviously Clark's FG% and 3pt% on average is affected by certain factors unique to her only: as previously stated she is at the top of everyone's scouting reports and thus has been pressed/blitzed/double-teamed more than any other guard, plus she shoots longer distance 3s more often than anyone else.
100% with Dan on this. This isn’t even close.
This was a good little debate here its nice to see Dan get riled up now and then
Reese gets her own missed shot and misses again and gets it again 🥴
If at first you don't succeed try and try again. What do you have against rebounding your misses do everyone a favor and never coach
So this genius says that because the Sky is a better team Reese is rookie of the year. Which team is more improved? What percentage of Reese's rebounds are due to her being a 40% shooter from 5 ft. Reese is a one dimensional player. Clark does it all. He has to be here for click bait, no one can be that stupid.
Reese is +600 CC is -1050 so when money is on the line CC is the overwhelming favorite.
CC 15th in points/game (#1 rookies)/19th rebs/game (#3 rookies/#1 guards)/2nd asst/game (#1 rookies)/10th steals/game (#1 rookies)/14th blocks/game (#1 guards/#3 rookies).
INSANE
CC about to break Angel’s 15 game streak but with assists and almost the same amount of defensive rebounds. Angel front rims layups to get these unheard of Offensive Rebound numbers (triple the amount of the league’s top rebounders). Not even close. And CC has played her gauntlet already, Angel’s remaining opponents .520 (.628 road games) CC remaining .466 (.405 road games) hence the 1-9 Fever start. Don’t act like y’all don’t know who they each played.
It is funny how the Sky coach has to bench Cardoso who is the #2 pick. Once Reese got a double-double, the coach immediately took her out with Cardoso. That, my friends, is called padding your stats.
Padding, gtfoh she earned every point and reb
@@dinkyb2000 , she went 5/17 in Wednesday's Liberty game! No threes! Almost ALL of Reese's shots are within 5 feet of the hoop! Either she simply cannot make a lay-up . . . or she's statpadding. Your choice.
@@MaymeIke and so was Shaq and he dominated and so was Rodman who I really compare Reese to CC can't play defense either I'm just saying, she is the great white hype Aja is the best in the world so stop hyping this woman up like she is all that because she played well in college and didn't win shit
You do know reese plays more mins than caradoso right on a nightly basis.
@@MaymeIkeor shes playing against defenders
This shouldn't even be a discussion. Caitlin Clark is leagues above Angel
Lefkoe's argument is as dumb as possible Patrick is bang on. There is no race to be had the stas back it up. CC most points generated in the entire league. Reese most rebounds. When rebounds start counting directly towards wins, I'll vote for Angel. Points count directly toward wins. Especially when tou see the rebounds Angel is being credited with. She is a one trick pony. CC does it all.
Except play defense. So you're saying rebounds is not important? You clearly knows nothing about basketball. They're both great at their respected position rebounds also contribute to wins
This guy stinks
Angel Reese gets dbl/dbl's because she misses shots under the rim and gets her own rebounds. She is tall with terrible ball handling skill. Watch her try to dribble, she shoots free throws from her hip. Her being mentioned as "rookie of the year" is an insult to WNBA.
Angel Reese is a tremendous ROLE player. Caitlin Clark is already the face of the WNBA and is dang near carrying that entire league on her back. Not to mention she’s already the best player and playmaker on her team that is in the playoff race. I’m not sure who’s going to win the ROTY, but no serious, unbiased person is going to argue that Angel Reese is the more valuable player. Reese is a respectable and worthy runner-up to CC..
Why does this grown man on national tv think that having his hood barely on his head is a look for him?
This guy is off his rocker. All ya half to do is ask "You have a new franchise team and your picking your first player.................who ya picking?". Answer is Caitlin Clark!
"Dead even"? In what way? Reese accounts for about 16 to 20 points or so a game, between her points and assists. Her rebounding? What percentage of those are rebounds of her own shots SHE MISSES RIGHT UNDER THE BASKET? Clark, between points and assists, has been accounting for about half of the Fever's point totals, exceeding 50 quite often. She passes up shots to get the ball to her teammates. She could be dropping 30 a night plus without a doubt. Reese is a 1 1/2 trick pony. Clark's pony has enough tricks to make a magician jealous.
Who’s bringing in new fans?
Selling out away games?
Enabling opponents to move to larger arenas to meet ticket demands?
Putting up solid numbers- points and assists-wise?
Breaking rookie records?
Who’s doing ALL of these things?
Not AR 🤷♂️
Seems like an easy choice…
E X A C T L Y, CW. Huge aspect(s), considering the key 'CAITLIN CLARK EFFECT' in addition to the actual basketball stats.
It's her WNBA impact, LEAGUE WIDE, that has made such a sensation in 2024. The CC EFFECT. And that is a definite, enormous and very special edge over Miss Fake Eyelashes Reese or anyone else for that matter this year.
@@Querencias7 Agreed.
She’s doing things that are rare for most athletes, just in terms of the audience. Very few athletes sell out opponent arenas… many help sell out their home arenas.
I actually almost turned on their game tonight versus the Mercury.
I’ve NEVER turned on a WNBA game to watch. Never… and I’ve been watching basketball since forever.
CC is fun to watch- I usually watch a highlight video of her games.
She is one of the best pure shooters I have ever seen, male or female, and she is a tremendous passer.
It will be interesting to see if the WNBA screws this whole opportunity up somehow. 🙄
ALSO other teams game plan for CC
BECEAUSE WHITE PEOPLE OUTRE NOMBRE BLACK PEOPLE
Thank you Dan Patrick. The arguments against CC are ridiculous and AR maybe the best rebounder of all-time. CC produces the most points in the WNBA while being the most closely guarded. CC is simply unstoppable until Christie Sides takes the ball out of her hands. Caitlin is 1 away from a WNBA record 6 consecutive PTS/AST DbDb. CC is a virtual lock on becoming the all-time full season leader in AST & APG. Dennis Rodman (AR) can't compare with a combination of Magic/Steph (CC).
This guy seems slimy idk why
You know why.
Because he doesn't agree with what u think, that why 😅
This guy has never played basketball on a bigger level in his life and how much is the Fallen Angel paying him?
I see people saying that Lefko is biased, but who was it that had Caitlin Clark on his show last year at the beginning of the season and couldn’t stop glowing?…
Let’s be honest… EVERYONE HAS A BIAS!!!
Well, I do think that Clark is having a better rookie of the year… It’s MUCH CLOSER than ppl think. RESPECT TO BOTH players.
Four days later..LEFKOE: "I have eaten one shoe, do I have to eat the other?"
ANGEL REESE DOUBLE DOUBLE 15 AND LESS 42 TURNOVERS. NO ROOKIE SHOULD EVER WIN WITH 42 TURNOVERS IF CLARK WINS IT WILL DIFFENITLY BE RACIST.
This aged well.
Eight packs of gummy bears at the end that was great
Discrediting Angel Reese like that is kind of crazy. CC is a good player and so is Angel. They play different positions and they are both doing well at those positions. The Fever is lost without CC and the Sky is lost without AR.
Cardoso easily replaces Reese.
Really? Are you dumb? Kamila is better than Reese anytime. Reese is nobody in Chicago, the coach just utilize reese to pit against Clark @ sacrificing Kamila in the process! Pathetic
@@RPW67 Cardoso should be starting
@@RPW67no kamilla is not as aggressive as angel
@RW-gx6ml Cardoso cannot defend on the perimeter, Reese is a switchable defender who can guard any position and still get boards.
They’re not even in the same galaxy
Clark is 2nd in Assists (about to be #1) and is top 20, top 15 or top 10 in EVERY statistical category. EVERY CATEGORY -- Reese doesn't even crack the top 20 in any other category except REB and STL (and she's tied for 10th with CC in the steals column) When Cardoso is not playing or on the bench, Reese's numbers are pedestrian. Her streak started when Kamilla came back from injury. Kamilla goes down again or is forced to sit out a game -- streak over, and her mediocrity exposed.
This guy adam is a 🤡 i knew he was...but this jusy confirmed it lol..its a close race lol...
Who would you rather have on your team or put a team around? That's your roty period.
Adam Lefkoe is the 🤡 of the Year! Thank God he doesn’t have a vote!
One stat that no one talks about is field goal percentage. Caitlin Clark has a field goal percentage 39.8% and Angel Reese has a field goal percentage of 40.2%. Angel Reese is a low post player and has shot 10 3-pointers all year and made 2. Sixty-five percent of Caitlin Clark's shots are 3-pointers. Why is Angel Reese shooting 40 percent from the low post? Two-thirds of Clark's shots are 3-pointers and they have the same field goal percentage? Until Angel Reese is shooting 45-50 percent from the paint it's hard to argue that she is having a complete year. Of the other top rookies who are low post (don't really consider Cameron Brink in that category), Rickea Jackson (45.8%), Aaliyah Edwards (48.2%) and Kamilla Cardoso (46.1%) all have significantly better FG%.
You’re creating a narrative that does not pass eye test. CC is ROTY and maybe eventually on the second half, barring injury, can be on the list for MVP of the league.
This AR vs CC has gotten out of hand.......Maybe the only thing the WNBA has gotten right is this brings Views..... Everyone Relax Maybe AR gets Rookie of the year. So What????? .....When both are on there 10th Season That will tell the story.......
So reese has at least 2 fake doubles and there's been 180+ this season. Clark has 1 of only 3 trip doubles...
Fans should change from chanting “Let’s go Sky! Let’s go Sky!” To “Pad those stats! Pad those stats!”
“This game was, is, and will always be about buckets” -Bill Russell
With buckets there are no rebounds
Lefkoe truly believes what he says and gets personal with the well renowned , esteemed Patrick who actually has a vote. Lefkoe sounds off like the typical AR ROTY supporter
The padded rebound stats say it all! Now...if there was a prize for missing easy layups and picking up your own bricks then yeah...AR gets a prize...of some kind...
Fever beat Liberty and Lynx. Fever in 7th place. Hoodie guy is a 🤡
I've Watched all the SKY games and Fever Games - You are way off to think Reese is more skilled than Clark. You didn't coach, you didn't play at a high level, and it seems that all you've is work in Vegas where social media drives bets.
I like Reese, but it's clearly Clark, imo.
Thank you so much for talking sense, Dan!
Stop its always about Black or White more like Brown and pink. in America.
Are you kidding - "You can't guard me" You lost all of my respect. The other players don't have to Guard Reese - The BACK BOARD BLOCKS her Shot!
Caitlin Clark is a better all-around player. She scores, rebounds well for a guard is near the top of a league in assists has more blocked shots
, and is a superior free throw shooter . The fever have improved their own loss record from last year and the Sky have a lower won loss percentage than last year. I think Caitlin has made a bigger impact in helping the fever get better.
As of the date of this post:
CC AR
Scoring: 12th 24th
Assists: 1st 57th
Rebounds: 19th 1st
Steals: 12th 10th (they’re actually tied at an average of 1.5)
3 pts: 5th. 96th
Blocks: 15th. 35th
CC is top twenty in all categories while AR is in the top twenty in only 2. It would be interesting to see if there are any other players in the league in the top twenty in all categories.
There is no race for RotY. It's over.
lol comparing Reese to Clark and saying they are equally important for their teams, much less as individual players, is a joke. Bench Clark, and the Fever are losing damn near every game. Bench Reese, and the Sky distribute her 10 points elsewhere and she's not there to rebound her own missed layups. Reese broke one record that both her team and other teams helped her manufacture; Clark is breaking records every gd night while everyone is out to stop her.
Joke.
They play better when Angel is in, but she's a role player.Caitlin is the whole package.
It’s too early to argue about who should win it. They have both improved tremendously since the start of the season. Both are on the all star team together. Something like injury could change everything. By the end of the season the winner should be evident..
CC accounts for the most points in the W between her scoring and assists. To me, that says it all. The turnover argument is wild because she leads the W in usage rate as well and she’s the PG. PG’s usually have a tougher time adapting their rookie year than forwards.
They both contribute in different ways and are solid players but when you watch their games, CC’s game jumps out the TV.
Will america stop labeling people as black and white I mean damm when its Clearly brown and Pink or red people.lets start there please. I got a white t shirt 👕 have seen a person that color Yet .have you show me please.
Only the Reese supporters are talking about +/- it's because CC plays with the bench players, so her +/- goes as the game goes, she's not sitting out when Mitchell and Boston come out. If she only cared about Stats she'd be breaking every record in the WNBA....she is and she isn't trying, let that sink in.
He has to be drinking to think Reese has skill.
CC has the better overall game. She affects the game more and gets her teammates involved more, regardless is a post player or off guard. She spaces the floor and created passing lanes depending on where the D is playing and makes pinpoint assists. In addition, she completely controls the pace of the game which other teams have difficulty with and puts pressure on teams passing the full length of the court on breaks. This is a NO BRAINER for ROY.
It's CC..there is no comparison, she helps her team and devastates the other team.
I watched the Aces game and just don't see it. Reese stands around, plays no defense, and blunders her way through 35 minutes. People claim 13 and 10 was good. I guess it is just a different skill than the men's game. Cordoso was much more skilled and effective. For the first 18 mins, Reese had 2 points. Anyone that plays 35 minutes should score 2 fg and is bound to get rebounds off of her own misses.
CC is way ahead, I’m from Baltimore and am a fan of both but Caitlyn is just way more important to her team, she contributes atleast half of her teams points
Espn has already proclaimed reese as roty with their campaigning. We just have to accept it.
Nope. Not taking Adam seriously again after hearing this.
I like how these CC hating analysts twist themselves into a knot to create these "qualifying standards" that sports have never used before to determine ROTY....
Lefkoe you need to put down the crack pipe
Every team has to have two players just like these 2
There’s no way Angel Reese should win ROTY. The average height of a WNBA player is 5’11” so obviously she’s going to get rebounds with her being 6’3”. A lot of her rebounds are from her own missed layups. Caitlin Clark is a better overall player with her being the overall Assist leader, Better Points Per Game average, leads Reese in Field Goal Percentage even though all Reese does is layups and even Defensively. Caitlin Clark gets more steals a game, and surprisingly, even has twice as many blocks a game than Angel Reese. Angel Reese is pretty much more like a Dennis Rodman since she can get rebounds and can only make layups and not a great shot.
Name an NBA Hall of Famer who has said Angel Reese is as good as CC. None of them have but many have said CC is the best woman player.
Lefkoe should be banned from this show. Tell me you haven't watched the WNBA before...
"Nobody knows more about (insert blank) than me." Sound similar to a certain ex-president?
Daaamn, Patrick set his ass straight at the end, I JUST SUBD Patrick!!!!
Angle Reese... She does not fight or JUMP for rebounds.. Just holds her arms up.
Her double doubles come in Junk play.
CC leads the WNBA for contributing to the most points.. her scoring and assists.
Reese is a dloth who just stands around.
Reese gets shot blocked, lands back in her hands and is counted for a rebound.
She probably has 2 rebounds that she actually jumped up for.
How does CC have more blocks than Reese ?
Points scoring and assists is more important than points and rebounds. CC is the QB running the offense. R is a role player
Dan Patrick not being about to see Angel Reese value to her team compared to CC is why he has lost credibility. When you have a insider as a guest on your show to talk about a topic you invited him to talk about than keep cutting him off cause you don’t like his what his saying is hilarious 😂😂😂🤡
Caitlin…by a mile. Points, assists, steals, rebounds vs lots of double doubles…no contest
The funny thing about all of this, is the Caitlin band wagoners will tell you about the Triple Double she had, but let’s discuss her inefficient and dismal 3Pt shooting or the fact she turns the ball over 5 to 6 times a contest.
And then there’s Angel Reese, who all like to hate. No one wants to acknowledge, that the double-double streak ended on a quadruple team, let’s see y’all’s hero CC pull up from 21 with 4 people in her face. Bottom line everybody thinks this is one sided, it’s not. Not discrediting CC by any means, but we base the game behind the three ball she ain’t even shooting it at a 35% clip, and her 5.6 turnovers per game is a joke, and she’s averaging 3.0 fouls a game, so I’d like someone to explain to me what makes her stand out, and leave the three ball and that one triple-double out of the talk
That dude is a total fraud. CC has an all around game and Reese has nothing. The reason Reese can score is she puts up her own missed shots. This hoodie is still drunk. Double doubles aren’t enough to get POTY
Why is waiting until the season is over no longer an option?
Caitlin Clark can get her own shot off, how is this even a question.
Give me a break you know who should get it. It should be Kaitlyn Clark. Follow your statistics man.
CC should win, shes overall best player. Lefkoe makes a decent argument but its borderline.