343 Industries - The Halo Franchise Killer
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I’ve loved Halo for a long time and it holds a special place in my heart but it pains me to see it being plagued by modern day ideals that are tearing apart the game that I used to play
Well said.
I guess executive in 343 is the main problem, for example Kikiwolfkill, she played the absolute major role in Halo4, Halo5, Halo TV show, and she's still there after all these craps happened, receiving almost no criticize, and even getting highlights from these. It's ridiculous. Just my personal opinion it might be wrong.
Do you think well get the 10 year's of infinite.The 10 year's they promised
@@alexgilmore2317 Not a chance. Unless the new battle Royale mode coming next year is groundbreakingly amazing (and I wouldn't count on it, just look at Battlefield's attempt at BR for reference), Halo Infinite will fall below ~10k active players and support for the game will be almost completely dropped.
Given this, I expect 343 to start on a completely new game next year, keeping it under wraps because they know it'll rightfully piss off fans. We'll get maybe 3-4 new maps per year until they announce production on the new title (which I expect they'll announce in 2024). Then we'll _maybe_ get one or two maps for the next year or two until Halo 7 launches in an embarrassingly incomplete and fundamentally broken state in ~2026.
And then the cycle will repeat again.
As a long time Halo fan it does hurt to see the franchise go down the pan. We just have to accept that Halo isn't made for us anymore. All we have now is the old games and their campaigns on original hardware. They can't take that from us. Shame there's no online anymore though.
I've never seen a developer so insecure about their IP.
It's like that SpongeBob episode where he tries to rebrand himself and fails. Only to make a patty and everyone is like "That's what we've been waiting for!"
People can criticize and argue about Bungie's gameplay changes, but with Bungie it felt like they put some thought into it and wanted to keep improving while being as true to Halo as could be. Plus Reach had a bunch of experimental army tech so it makes sense for armor abilities to about.
Bungie was also clearly passionate about their product and wanted to make the games bigger and better on a technical level.
Halo 2 laid the foundation for Xbox Live, Halo 3 created theatre mode (a hugely innovative way to share gameplay in a space efficient way) and introduced a ton of community features.
ODST added Firefight and a semi-open environment.
And then there was Reach.
Think about it: In 2010 the franchise was at its peak and they were making their last game. They could have phoned it in. Yet they proceeded to push the boundaries and do things that nobody ever expected the Xbox 360 to be capable of. Reach had...
1. A massively improved graphics engine
2. Massively expanded player customization that applied to the full game
3. Improved firefight with full customization including CUSTOM SKULLS
4. An expanded theatre
5. Even more expanded community features
6. The best damn UI in the series
7. Every gametype except VIP from 3. New gametypes! Like a reworked Juggernaut, INVASION, Stockpile, Headhunter, RACE FROM HALO 1
8. A massively improved Forge. Tons of new objects, better controls, normal/fixed/phased, FORGE WORLD, using other objects as objectives, spawn zones, kill zones, etc.
9. A brand new progression system
10. A brand new challenge system as a SUPPLEMENTARY ADDITION TO THE BASE SYSTEM
11. The Arena ranking system
12. MEGALO SCRIPT. For those who don't know, they wrote a brand new scripting engine for custom games.
Every game variant has a full script of the Gametype instead of it being built into the game. Halo 4 kept using it as well.
This let them tweak gametype behavior to fix exploits and create entirely new gametypes without ever having to patch the game. HaloBall, Halo Chess, Power Slayer, Bro Slayer, Speed flag, Speedpile, Flag Slayer, and more were created post launch using this without ever having to patch the game! The community ran wild and created some amazing customs, arguably the best in the series.
They also used it to tweak gametypes after feedback, for example they updated Invasion and Assault to make it so you couldn't armor lock next to a bomb to arm it while invincible.
The community eventually reverse engineered it and has made entirely new game modes out of it like Gun Game, Sharpshooter, Prop Hunt, Mini Slayer, Search and Destroy, etc. They also used it to create almost all the gametypes missing from Halo 4 (I personally did Classic CTF)
I went on for a while, but the point is that Bungie set crazy high expectations for themselves and met them because they truly loved Halo.
You should see The Coalition and their handle on gears 4 n 5. Was not too fun to play with the eay they changed things all the time
Who you callin' pinhead....
I regret pressing the see more button so bad
Dam you making me cry bro
👏👏👏👏
I think the problem with 343 is just how it was founded in the most inorganic way a game company ever could.
imagine an amazing as hell pizza place that all the staff leave and go somewhere else, so you hire people from every kind of restaurants except pizza places, and expect them to make pizza and not some horrid mistake of food.
That's 343 with Halo.
This is fantastic
Yup
Usually franchises are built around studios. This is a example of a studio built around a franchise. It’s no surprise to me that it has failed
You utterly annihilated 343 with that description 💀💀💀
Love it
You generally want to hire people that want to improve your product, rather than people that want to make a different product, at least in situations where your product is already popular.
Halo succeeded and inspired entire generations for the same reasons Star Wars did the same, they were both fantastic examples of classical storytelling in an age where everyone was trying to be as experimental as possible, and failing in their storytelling. In an age where classical elements of storytelling is looked down upon, I believe this is the reason why Halo is still so nostalgic to people and why it is still actively played today.
"Folks need heroes Chief, to give 'em hope"
Like I’ve said many times before, 343’s halo and Disney’s Star Wars have so many pararells that it’s creepy
@@cuyospartan02 Because they were both made by uncreative corporate bureaucrats.
I think it's our fault that Drove George and to sell Star Wars to Disney by hyperfocusing on hating on the prequels and harassing him and the actors.
@@UnrealNeoBat it was going to happen either way. Look at Bungie Halo; beloved franchise loved by everyone, very very minimal criticism towards the franchise, the company had immense respect to the community and in return the community had great respect for them, but still sold to Microsoft. It's more that the original companies finished telling the stories they wanted to tell within their respective series, and wanted to move onto other things. So they sold the IP
@@Gameprojordan About Star Wars, I would believe you if we hadn't been so toxic towards George.
One thing I'd like to point out is 343s lack of INTERACTABILITY. Some of the best halo multiplayer maps, especially in Halo 3, have some type of interactable button or switch which opens or connects two parts of a map. Though most of these where gates or bridges, they gave character to the map. Even popable flood blisters on a map is a nice characteristic. Hell the ability to break glass is amazing. Ontop of that, movable crates, pallets, barrels is a good characteristic. I feel Halo maps now are too focused on balance without actually making a map. There making a focused arena then a interesting map that has memorable character.
Completely agree, they need more sandbox interaction, like you say, buttons for doors, moving objects, like the big wheel on last resort, and for me, something that has been missing since 3
A map like sand trap, with elephants/ mobile bases, they added such a cool dynamic to the game and could completely change how slayer/bomb/ ctf was played
So much of the sand box feels like it's missing
Agreed, since halo 5 every map feels the exact same. No gravity lifts, no buttons, no interactive stuff, no alternative paths, just a big square/circle with grey dull looking aesthetics with a three way path and if we’re lucky we get a bottom one and a top one
My mom pointed out “The color palettes look like eyeshadow palettes with names that are often used for nail polish.” I feel like halo is more of a dress up fashion show more than a actual arcade shooter.
Gonna confirm this with my girlfriend. That’s a neat observation.
thats not really issue tho
That's it. This is how 343 wins back the fans.
By making a dress up-model game around elites and armor
and then you look up the head of 343 and it's a woman, and everything starts to make sense.
You can get some special armour coatings if you buy certain nail polishes lol
Having watched 343 fail at almost every single thing since Bungie passed on the franchise to them including the MCC PC launch, Halo Infinite was the last straw for me. I gave it a chance, put in like 100 hours, and after realizing the launch was another disaster I just gave up on Halo completely. The franchise is no longer the same thing that we remember it as from Halo 1-3. It's now just a brand that will continue to be milked until it's no longer financially viable just like the rest of the successful IPs that came out between 2000-2012 like Gears, Battlefield, CoD, etc. The people that created these games in the first place are now long gone and working on other projects so we will never really have a chance to go back to the golden period of any of these IPs. There's no point in endlessly hoping Halo will go back to the way it was as clearly that's not 343's intention and likely will never be.
Lol you gave halo infinite a chance?? That's absolutely a dumb move there... Sorry haxx but i think you are just stupid.
I agree completely. I am in the same boat, I tried Halo infinite out, and it didn't take me too long before growing bored of it. The multi-player just doesn't feel like Halo anymore, and the campaign was really all I played. Even then, it isn't anything like it was when bungie had it
My friend is a contractor for Halo Infinite (still is). Not like this comes to a surprise but he said the game was definitely rushed. He couldn’t tell me much, but he said they ended up having to cut a bunch of really cool features in forge mode which he’s currently working on.
This is so depressingly spot on. We need to support MCC because that is the real future of Halo. We can't expect any new games that are also good from 343i
Kinda crazy when you consider regular players like me who sign on occasionally and play multiplayer or more commonly customs in chill servers in MCC vs halo infinite that I haven't touched in at least 6 months.... Don't know. Just feel done with the new titles.
@@halo4life166 Bungie had their faults no doubt but they created the series and made it the success that it is. There's a reason people are still playing their games to this day and it's been over a decade or 2 for some of them. 343i unfortunately hasn't been able to capture lightning in a bottle. They are stuck following trends and failing. It's sad that Halo has become irrelevant as far as new titles go but the old ones are still golden.
No we need to boycott Halo until its taken away from 343 or all the management at 343 is replaced
@@Kawasaki10rr I mean I've been doing that since before halo 4. Just boycott Infinite and play MCC instead.
Everything he said was right, halo shouldn’t already be needing to be saved it should have been a better overall game than it is, I think 343 needs to get rid of their managers and Bonnie, keep everyone else.
Let's be real, this video could honestly just be called "everything wrong with mainstream/big AAA gaming"
Smaller studios are the life blood of modern gaming at this point. The reason why this keeps happening for big studios is because people keep buying their things, as well as a combination of MTX with whales and people who are being taken advantage of making more money a healthy community would ever give them.
Smaller studios have more to lose, so they actually try
Mainstream gaming is no longer about longevity; devs shit one out and go
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@@AFunkyFella It feels great looking at how a lot of great games/series launch complete, or at least have the main vision/goal of the game be mostly stable, which leads them to have a longer shelf-life and community life-span and interactivity; some of my favorite examples are Metal Gear Rising, Titanfall 2, Team Fortress 2, and Ace Combat.
Specifically Team Fortress 2; game is as dead AF content wise but the community and its cultural impact is still keeping it a mainstream game.
Hell, I distinctly remember MGR coming back from the dead TWICE in my life; both times with memes.
It's mostly online gaming, which is why I've pretty much completely given up on multiplayer games and only play singleplayer games. Can't be bothered to deal with all this modern online gaming bullshit.
Unfortunately that's how corporations work these days they care more about pandering to each other with esg scores and trying to either sell or buy eachother than releasing a product. I think they are hoping while they constantly shift around through acquisitions they can keep share holders happy while they condition a new audience to be drip fed garbage and normalize subscriptions and other shitty monetization practices. However I think the well is already drying up. Halo Infinite talks a big game about early success same with halo 5 but they are shifting goal posts to appease shareholders. They are likely getting diminishing returns.
It won't be long before people see studio acquisitions as studios going to the field to die. Some already are but people still get excited when Sony/MS do it.
With the ease of access to AAA quality game engines and decent quality indie projects mainstream gaming is losing serious relevancy. I see a lot of Indie games with great graphics made by small teams. In fact I'm attempting one myself. However I think the next move by the big publishers is to see what sells in the indie scene and then move to buy them hoping to bring their audience in. Buy the studio make bad changes and run it into the ground make a decent profit. Buy next studio.
This isn't just gaming you see it in everything run by corporations. Pander to esg, shit on your customers, buy or sell.
I've left halo. Purely because of 343. 😔
3 steps forward, 43 steps back
“Change for the sake of change is never a good thing”
Say it louder for the idiots in the back, please.
We’re not “afraid of change”, we want good changes, not just change for the sake of it. Not just trying to kill everything the series once was just to make it their own franchise. 343 was given a franchise to keep going, and they decided “no we don’t want it like this we want to make our own game, so we’ll just change halo into our own game instead”
Change is only good when it makes things better
There is a different between making improvements and changing things. Unfortunately 343 Incompetencies and their dumb white knights are oblivious to that fact. While the main core difference between H2 to H3 was equipment, everyone loved H3 for the additions of online 4-player Co-Op, Forge, Theater, and new armor customization. While plenty of people have issues with Reach’s core mechanics, nobody hates the Forge or customization improvements.
Case in point: Ninja's interview with Greenskull several years ago before he moved on to Fortnite. Ninja and some other pros were part of internal testing during Halo 5's development and were supposedly there to give feedback on maps. But one time they unanimously agreed a certain map was already good to go, only for 343 to push for anything that needed to change and eventually add arbitrary changes anyway.
See, they don't even really care about esports beyond the money it could bring in - this is far from the only instance they basically ignored the pros' input just to push whatever changes they already set their minds on. Change for the sake of change that just further divides the fanbase.
This is an overarching trend in society. It’s weaponized language. Progressive = good so be quiet and accept the changes. Everything is even more increasingly about money and virtue signaling.
@@perrytran9504 Honestly the whole bringing in pros to give feedback on maps I dislike anyway. Some of my favourite maps are ones clearly made for casual play on other games. 343 completely disregarded one side of the fanbase when they did that with halo 5
Thank you for mentioning the 10 years of missing playable elites. Honestly how the company’s incompetence has lead to what we have now is beyond me especially considering Halo is supposed to be the xbox flagship franchise. keep up the great work man :)
Elites really helped halo multiplayer feel unique, like a proper scifi setting. I miss them :c
man i remember playing the first three halos with my dad and absolutely loved it and me and my dad tried out the newer 343 games and we were disappointed knowing that the franchise we used to love is nothing like how it used to be
shout out to 343 for slowly running an incredible gaming franchise into the ground. geez.
Must be sad forcing new trends into a already great game and failing miserably while old brands like Doom embrace everything that always made them great and succeed massively
This is an excellent point. Didn’t think of doom
@@geoffsteichen3126 I've been making this point for years but 343 bots didn't listen
The major problem 343 has is that they thought that by acquiring halo they would just be on top even by changing the game they thought it would not fail and by them doing this they did not realize what they were doing wrong
343i is like Disney's "Lucasfilm," which destroyed everything to be "new and exciting," "Empowering for Women," etc. The 343 Art Style from 4 and 5 will become synonymous with Kathleen Kennedy's "The Force is Female" Movement.
This. This is it. This is what everyone at 343 should be watching
do we have any inside contacts tho?
I'll never not stop thinking that 343's mentality is simply "if it ain't broke, fix it".
You think 343 don't know what makes halo special? I think 343 doesn't know what makes video games special. Great points throughout 👏
Halo is so special to me. Some of my earliest gaming memories are playing split screen co-op with my brother and local multiplayer with friends on Halo CE. I fucking LOVE this franchise. And to see the way its going is genuinely so disheartening.
I haven't been happy with 343 ever since they took the franchise.
They are incompetent. They ignore all negative feedback.
They admitted to hiring people who hate halo to form the core of the studio....
They have a Kathleen kennedy/Anita sarkessian in BONNIE ROSS WHO EMPHASIZES DIVERSITY HIRES!
I TRULY HATE 343 FOR RUINING HALO .
343 ARE LYING SCUMBAGS. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FRANCHISE.
F THIS COMPANY
For real, man. Halo was the first game I ever played, and it's been my favorite franchise ever since then. It's inspired me to go on and make my own games and write my own stories, and universes. It's genuinely horrible to watch it fall apart and be managed, and treated so poorly like this.
Finally someone talks about FIREFIGHT. It was my favorite game mode in Reach, accounting for nearly 60% of my time in that game, and it counted towards unlocking armor. I loved playing with friends with our our cool personalized Spartans.
Rest in peace Halo
Halo 4 is a guilty pleasure of mine and having the MCC on PC is genuinely great. But other than that, yes. 343 is the embodiment of the phrase 1 step forward, 90 steps back.
Same and halo 4 is way more better with mods installed to enhance the campaign's gameplay
I don't like halo 4 either tbh. The story wasn't somethin I was interested in, my favourite take on the chief cortana dynamic was halo 2. Halo 4 made it seem so... over melodramatic, like the characters didn't feel like what I thought they should be like.
@@halinaqi2194 it felt too much like they wanted to write about the characters from the books rather than continue writing for how they were in the games. They made Halo take a back seat to Chief, which it never did in the past.
@@gabethebabe3337 this exactly. I've read the halo book surrounding the events of CE, and the characters feel different than they do in game.
Cortana never struck me as the type of ai that wouldn't self terminate upon her expiry date, but apparently 343 thinks so. And when she goes around in 4 she is a lot more moody and emotionally than she is ever shown to be, like she's more afraid of rampancy than the flood which doesn't make sense considering how much she know about the flood and what we see her go through in 3. Hell she was brave enough in 2 to stay behind on High charity on her own, fully believing that she may never get rescued.
I am just personally confused as to how halo 4 is now looked at fondly narrative speaking when I remember no one liking it back in the day.
The only likeable character 343 made in 4 was Lasky, and he was written to not have any dislike able traits, so he just feels like cardboard.
@@halinaqi2194 yeah and not everything has to follow what other material establishes in order for it to be good
The MCC was basically gift wrapped by bungie, all 343 had to do was put the games in a bundle and they still managed to fuck it up
343 in a nutshell.
Well done. This video was spot on and it's kind of sad where the state of Halo is now.
I feel incredibly bad for those who never moved on after Bungie left.
Me too. I only played Halo 5 because my dad got it for me and I had nothing else to play.
Oh heaven forbid we never settle for mediocrity. 343 has had longer and 3 titles now that have all been fucking terrible. No one asked for CoD in Mech Suits, 5 was trash and by 4 months after launch I found it in the bin at GS for 7 bucks and Infinite is a micro transaction hellscape. So mind ya business if some of us wish Bungie had stuck it out cause this current studio has no idea what they are doing.
@@Gaara11990 You have completely misread the OP comment.
@@Giga419 I'm all sorts of confused, but I think I understand OP. That being said.... the other fella isn't entirely wrong if tsken with a grain of salt
@@Giga419 my friend, halo 4 died a year after launch because it launched with subpar af content and a very restricting forge mode, i hated everything except the infection mode, and even that one died out as well (late 2014 would take 10+ minutes to find 5 people for a match on any mode), bungie wasnt perfect, but they still understood what made halo great, it was a game you could game with friends for dozens of hours in custom games because the sandbox wasnt restrictive af (unlike halo 4 and halo 5), which meant the replayability was through the roof, you could launch objects into a junk tower that you had people defending, you could have race tracks in the sky that were intense af since youd have the previous race winner in a gauss hog shooting at your spartan, it was everything the late 2000s stood for, unlimited potential, with the only limitations being the technology of the time..
Try playing the junk tower mode on halo 5 without someone whipping out one of the one-hit-kill weapons they definitely paid for and ruining the whole match because theyre a tryhard who wants to ""win"" all the time and "rank up in the leaderboards", just like in call of duty...
The issue is that 343 is not really innovating the halo gameplay. Remember in the old bungie vidocs with the global battles and naval combat? Imagine if halo expanded on the massive battles and social features. Its not even that hard to do. We don't need this constant focus on competitive play and having lack luster maps for gamemodes. The constant focus on Spartans in the story have also made many things of the halo franchise feel obsolete, ODSTs and Marines barley exist anymore (Infinite doesn't really count cause you can't even bring them into missions with you) , Elites are just generic monsters now, and the military feel is gone. It feels like every other futuristic shooter on the market. 343 in general just feels like a corporate company that just wants to make halo into this MCU like e sports game instead of halo. They only seem to care about profits and attention rather then gameplay or story. They seem to only care about what THEY want, instead of what halo fans want. Since they refuse to add back legacy features for no reason other then they just don't like the halo audience and consider us a roadblock.
The fact that we still have had 4 failed launches and Microsoft has done nothing to clean house at 343 tells me where never gonna get a good halo game ever again. Which is a hard pill to swallow.
I haven't even gone into the shady shit that has been going on with the higher ups either, But all I will say that it looks like activison/blizzard 2.0 and it explains alot to why 343 has been so incompetent with this franchise over the years.
>Cue montage of every time someone says “Spartan(s)” in a 343i game
I hate the fetishization of Master Chief, Forerunners and ancient humans under 343 Incompetencies. I loved the games and books that rarely or never mentioned Spartan-117 at all, but apparently we are dumb fans who think MC = Halo = good game.
just realized infinite really did feel like it was trying to be some feel good mcu movie
My god I would love to have the Halo that Bungie wanted to make. Those vidocs were great.
That's all I want, Halo's combat on a large scale, but now even BTB has been scaled down... :(
The funny thing is they can't even focus on competitive gameplay well. The pro players don't get listen to at all despite being asked for feedback on the competitive scene. The pros literally have a gentlemans agreement in place not to use the mangler because its so unbalanced and get 343 hasn't changed it or removed it from ranked modes
On the topic of playable elites. The funniest thing to me is that if they really cause so many balancing issues (mainly in competitive and wherever they're not wanted), then just disable them from those modes. Bungie did that in Reach and 343i can do so too - they have that within their power. But instead, they throw their hands in the air, "ah geez, idk man" and give some half-assed shit about multiplayer being canon spartan story-time. And now they're adding some spartan points to the MCC. Spartan this, spartan that - the word's leaking through my ears at this point.
It’s stupid. I just want to play as an elite once again, but 343 can’t do jack. I still love infinite, but shop, lack of updates for multiplayer and campaign, and then taking forever for anything else is hurting it, not enough for it to be bad, but to hurt it.
And not to mention there wasting the opportunity to give them along with duel wielding good balance and worked a bit better to make them equal to Spartan players
i think they should have a gamemode where we play as everyone like Star Wars
They do cause balancing problems though. Every pro back then complained about it. Now don't cancel me because I'm not a 343 shill or whatever, in fact I very much agree with this entire video, but I'd prefer if playable elites returned in the form of only being available in invasion. If you think about the logistics of it, it makes the most sense and it saves the most headaches from ever happening.
@@jackcolson4745 Sometimes it's best to read with thought. But I'll state this point again. Simply disable them from modes they're not wanted.
Love this video. You’re saying everything I’ve been saying. I just love how people still defend 343 and let them off the hook.
My friend who loves halo as kuch as me told me to stop complaining. I'll stop complaining when 343 stops fuckin lying to me
another main problem with 343 in particular is that they can't seem to keep the same team working on a single task for more than a few months. I've seen online reviews of working at 343 and it's not good, company morale is very low
I was genuinely happy when I found out Halo was continuing after Reach. I was a dumb little kid who wasn’t spurned by big companies owning my favorite entertainment yet so I had faith in them. Then Halo 4 came out and while I liked it on my first play through i hated it on my legendary and further play throughs. The story is written in a way Bungie would have saved for a spin-off rather than a main number Halo game. 5 was way easier to read being a bad game at launch.
Both games I dropped within months. MCC was super disappointing and is only good now because they fixed the worst issues, but other than that it’s a collection of mostly Bungie’s work and not 343’s. Infinite for all its flaws was the first game in a decade that almost felt like a true Halo game and a genuine sequel to Halo 3, BUT it was missing so much core content you can hardly even call it a Halo games.
343 has a habit of shitting the bed, and then seeking praise for cleaning up the bed after getting yelled at for doing it over and over again. I hope that now the ex-Bungie devs from the classic Halo days are coming back we can see improvements, but that’s up to Microsoft and the 343 leads/devs hired because they hated classic Halo. Their fans enable them to keep doing the same mistakes and then get mad at us for calling out shitty business practices.
Bungie's trilogy is a masterpiece and timeless. it was one of the greats. listening to the music in the background of the vid makes me sad, sad that I will never have that kind of experience again. ANGRY that 343 hates halo and ruined it.
@@wadedewell what sucks is we have some of the people necessary in 343 to fix this, but 343 would never fully put them in charge. The ex Bungie veterans are carrying 343 on their backs minus Frank O’Connor for obvious reasons
I agree, except for the fact that Halo Infinite feels like a sequel to H3. It's story does not at all, and its total dogshit, almost as bad as Halo 5. The gameplay is also not Halo at all. It's another movement shooter that plays just as fast as Halo 5, just without thrust and other armor abilities. There's still so many aspects of the gameplay that were carried over from Halo 5. It's like the revamped classic art style is a distraction from the bigger problems in the game.
@@gabethebabe3337 I totally agree, there are some people there that could fix the franchise.. but Bonnie Ross kiki wolf and frank need to go
Halo 4's story, bungie would have thrown out altogether lol. Not even good enough for a spinoff. That's how good the OG Bungie halo's were
Personally speaking, I feel like the change in direction and trying to appeal to mass audiences is more of a marketing tactic Microsoft pushed on 343 in order to get more sales. While I don’t know if this is the case I would appreciate if someone could correct me.
Yeah people dont seem to realize that Microsoft has a lot of control in financial and other decisions since they pretty much created 343i to keep Halo alive, their most succesful game franchise. The lack of direction is apparent in Microsoft software division too, like how slowly and badly they developed windows 8 and 10 with ton of fixes only coming years later, and still having inconsistent UI which they only now kinda ficed in wondows 11. I think Microsoft management must also change attitude if they want to keep Halo alive.
@@canyongoat2096 I haven't been happy with 343 ever since they took the franchise.
They are incompetent. They ignore all negative feedback.
They admitted to hiring people who hate halo to form the core of the studio....
They have a Kathleen kennedy/Anita sarkessian in BONNIE ROSS WHO EMPHASIZES DIVERSITY HIRES!
I TRULY HATE 343 FOR RUINING HALO .
343 ARE LYING SCUMBAGS. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FRANCHISE.
F THIS COMPANY
@@canyongoat2096 incorrect sir
Did Microsoft force Frank O’Conner to literally hire people who hated Halo and then brag about it?
@@wadedewell can you actually explain why he’s incorrect rather than just shilling
Thank you for making this.
This video right here, Excellent points you've touched and and you did an amazing job with being thorough!
What 343 did right was the cutscene where cortana leaves John in halo 5. Perfectly shows how it feels when bungie left us.
Also the art style of 4 and 5 I dislike so much mainly because now a days when halo gets mention it's always the awful 4 and 5 version compare to the beautiful bungie era art style. And people seem to think 4 and 5 art style is good just because of Cortana design which is really dumb and hilarious at the same time. And plus no one seems to remember how beautiful the bungie games who and deserve more focus and more part of the modern times. And no one even remembers how beautiful halo 3 odst and reach were that weren't good because of a female design. I play halo rarely now mostly MCC.
It's not fair to say anyone who appreciates the Reclaimers' art style only does so because of the hyper sexualised Halo 4 Cortana design. Halo 5's Cortana is actually more 'clothed' than Halo 3, so that's not accurate either.
i like both. I dont have a problem with either
Thank you for this. So much has been fucked up that it’s hard to keep track haha.
I absolutely love Halo but you hit the nail squarely on the head. Great video!
I've completely dropped Halo at this point and have gone to Deep Rock Galactic. It's amazing to compare the two. Both DRG and Infinite have their Season 2 within a week of each other and the team of
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343i\Microsoft needs to see this video. Halo isn’t the problem, you two are.
The 343 cycle: fuck up the game from the beginning, then fix the issues they themselves made so shills will praise how awesome they are. Everything 343 does right is them just fixing things that were obvious they shouldn't have done.
Liked and subbed bro, loved the video!
343 has some of the most talented artists and passionate people who WANT to do good, but is consistently stifled by
1. Microsoft's contractual 18 month deadline
and of course
2. horrible management
Why don’t we make a crowd fund to buy the rights of Halo?
Finally someone who gets it. Or at least who I agree with...
Lmao yeah sure they do🤣
@@LeTtRrZ I wish we could but trying to buy halo from Microsoft is gonna be trillions of dollars and thats just the price it even counting the legal papers to go through if Microsoft even allows it which they won't because it's their flagship
6 years... all I'm gonna say
Haven’t even completed the halo infinite campaign, I rather play MCC then halo infinite
You hit the nails on the head with this video.
My love for Halo started back in elementary school/middle school, when the first game came out. I didn’t own an XBOX at the time, but when I went to friends and family members’ houses who did, I’d play Halo. Eventually, I got an XBOX and I played Halo to my hearts content.
When 343 took over, I didn’t have too many negative criticisms for Halo 4 aside from the art style, the lack luster armor abilities, and not being able to play as an elite.
Then Halo 5 came and I started to notice it’s problems more. Lack of diverse customization options, no playable elites, no Invasion, playing more as Osiris than Blue Team, micro transaction (particularly for Warzone which is a fun but also stressful game type that is pay to win), Cortana being the villain, and lack of Covenant. I will admit that I like the variety of weapons and their vehicles, including their variants.
Then Halo Infinite came.
The campaign had a weak story. Esharum was more of a hype man. Boss battles were cool. The Endless are worse than the Flood? They’re an enemy that had no building up references in previous games. Basically they came out of 343’s ass. It would’ve made more sense, to me at least, if Cortana did try to recruit Atriox, but because he refused, she destroyed his world, and he retaliated by vowing to wipe out humans, especially Chief, and him not “dying” off screen. The variety of weapons in Infinite is a joke. They took away the classic Shotgun, Fuel Rod, DMR, Plasma Pistol ability to emp vehicles, the Spartan Laser, the Plasma Rifle, Covenant Carbine, and replaced them with horrible weapons (Commando, Disruptor, Pulse Carbine, Disruptor, and Ravager). The Banshee is the worst. Vehicles don’t explode like they used to. The Rocket Hog is horrible. Then, as you mentioned, the customization is the worst it’s been, having a huge variety that’s blocked by a pay wall and armor cores. Plus the color selection. Another problem is the leveling up system. Halo Reach and Halo MCC had the best leveling up system and customization options, and yet did away with that. And again, no playable elites when they look much better than Halo 4 and 5 and no Firefight.
It’s taking too long for 343 to fix its problems. As you said, the management needs to be changed, but keep those that work hard. Or hand Halo to another company. Whatever they do, in the time that they have, they should be able to make changes in the slip space engine as well with leveling up, customization, and menu options. Maybe more medals, too.
Destiny understood what the fans want. And keep making progress. While Gears 5 had a rocky start with the campaign and multiplayer, overtime, they were able to make improvements. Are there aspects of the game that could still be improved, yes, but it’s better than it was before.
343 needs to jump on the bandwagon.
Destiny has failed and never lived up to the hype and gears 5 had a shitty feminist campaign with tones of bugs and glitches.
I love playing as an Elite. I also love playing as an ODST Trooper. I think this video will be enough for 343 to listen.
343 is the most utterly incompetent development team in existence. They have an almost unlimited budget yet can't release a finished product with half a decade of development time
They have the budget but they don't have the talent and probably the passion either.
@@jetcrosofz1987 does NOT help that the corporate overlord Microsoft controls all the executive decisions.
343's treatment of halo is merely a symptom, it is not the core of the problem, the true problem is greed.
greed strangles productivity, & microsoft's greed is actively killing the franchise.
to them its no longer about making a quality product, its about doing as little effort as possible to rush it to the shelves.
so they can appease their stock investors, while the content, the community & the employees suffer.
@@jetcrosofz1987 this likely comes from management, the individual developers are very passionate and overworked individuals for the most part
@@jetcrosofz1987 I haven't been happy with 343 ever since they took the franchise.
They are incompetent. They ignore all negative feedback.
They admitted to hiring people who hate halo to form the core of the studio....
They have a Kathleen kennedy/Anita sarkessian in BONNIE ROSS WHO EMPHASIZES DIVERSITY HIRES!
I TRULY HATE 343 FOR RUINING HALO .
343 ARE LYING SCUMBAGS. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FRANCHISE.
F THIS COMPANY
It’s not until I thought about it of just how many things are missing from the multiplayer in Halo Infinite. Just look at the MCC for pc as an example. It’s quite remarkable how much stuff they packed into it and continue to. Now they’re adding in cut vehicles in forge mode. Yet there isn’t even a forge mode in Halo Infinite for Christ sake!
Thank you so much for this video
almost a year later and nothing has changed that just hurts, love your videos
you are my hero, you perfectly summed up all my complaints ive had over all these years with words i could never find, thank you so much
Fire all upper management, all of them.
Rename the studio "The Covenant"
Scrap all the 343 cannon, start by making something like "Halo 4 Alternative" .
I'd keep most of Infinite artists, 3D artists, sound designers, community managers, etc.
But put them all under a clear vision: "We're starting from where Bungie Left, we're making a Halo 4 that feels like a natural progression of Halo 3, and I mean, i want a campaign that can be played by up to 4 people, all the classic elements for multiplayer, we're taking Halo 3 and improving from it. Not changing it! "
Also, BAN to talk with "pros" or other competitive scene clowns, bring in sample groups for beta testing, both old school players and casual gamers, see how much fun both groups have by playing for a few days. Then take feedback.
Keyword: FUN.
@Slak Kap
>Master Chief is a mostly silent badass again
>Cortana is helpful waifu again
>Arby is our trusted deuteragonist again
>Elites are on our side again, at least most of them
>The forerunners are mysterious and benevolent godlike aliens again
We could keep the Banished, they're a cool faction in theme
Agree, love shyway and respect his content and his commitment to competitive halo but he has to realise that most fans prefer classic casual halo with less advanced Mobility then current halo.
God I wish
I’ve always loved halo since I was young and to see a company screw up one of my favourite games to the point of it being boring makes me feel sad. I hope we can make a change
I've never seen a video that needs as much attention as possible in my life! 343 needs to see this!!
what went wrong is they got the license to halo aha they dk the game or the people that play it
Thank you for saying what I've be feeling for the last 10 years.
Bro me too. I think we should give halo to someone else
Everything this man said is true, if 343 doesn’t learn anything before it’s too late Halo will wither away and be a forgotten franchise like many others before it, but it will live on through the memories of the players and the community surrounding it, if they don’t wither along with it. Let’s just hope Halo will return back to the greatest and a blast of a game as we remembered it
Right on bro! Just shared this video with all of my buddies, let’s band together and save Halo!
Dude, i literally feel like i’m in an echo chamber listening to this video. You’re 100% correct with everything, and anyone who actually trusts this company anymore is beyond naïve
Further proof that all the big Halo related channels are paid shills
I completely agree. The only good thing 343 has done with Halo is Halo 2 Anniversary campaign graphics. Everything else that was improved was just an improvement compared to 343's previous work. In my opinion at least.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem
I like what they’ve been doing with MCC (apt to change, given recent news), and i think that brings on a point that they can improve things, but they cannot produce them
@@fanamatakecick97 Yes, I agree about MCC, but they need to make it good at start. They cannot keep expecting people to wait for improvements.
@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem
They can and they will, and eventually karma will strike
I love you
Finally, somebody in the halo community not afraid to callout bs number company has done for the past 12 years
What a terrible company. The BattleRoyale will be good since it’s not made by 343. I’ll die on this hill
@3:08 - 3:30 You nailed the core issue with Halo under 343, and the show actually as well. Actually, I would argue your statement applies to Reach, where Bungie made many changes that didn't really add to the game.
People have been complaining on the scorpion tank keyboard controls for the PC version of Halo anniversary, and what happened was that halo 2, 3, reach and 4 came out with the exact same controls.
All this despite the fact that Gearbox had made the scorpion with good controls on Halo custom edition, which was itself the base used to make anniversary for both xbox and pc. They also never fixed any of the issues with anniversary campaign since the original 2010 release, they released the xbone, xbone x and pc versions without any changes.
Couldn't have said it better myself. You should watch jerasunders video he made on this topic as well.
Honestly for as much as I've enjoyed Infinite's multiplayer, I agree with everything you said here. I feel like 343 has been nothing but reactionary instead of trying to innovate, on top of making all these amazing armors only to slap them behind a paywall and restricting the ability to really mix-and-match pieces. I have no grief with Infinite's style of equipment-based advanced movement, I love the Grappleshot, but I could definitely say they need to do more, like maybe an MP game mode with unlimited grappling and some kind of 'floor is lava' gimmick? The latest round of Entrenched and the shop-only BRODIE armor seem to be the breaking point from what I've seen (Also how fucking dare you paywall my precious brodie helmet 343).
It really does hurt to see how even with all that time Halo Infinite still came out barely treading the line of being the next Duke Nukem Forever. :(
I'd say the way halo infinite handles equipment is pretty bad, you can activate overshield and cloak on demand, it was always a pickup that activates the second you grab it, don't people see how broken that is?
Imagine you're in a gunfight and the dude has his shields depleted only for him to activate overshield at the last second and killing you.
Hell, the last Spartan standing event is a testament to this, I won match after match not because of skill or luck but because I farmed overshields and cloak sometimes it literally landing next to me, I could activate one after the other like it was nothing.
The grapple is honestly nothing impressive and many games have done it way better, not to mention it has way to much range when you hook into vehicles.
The drop shields is also broken as hell, who thought a shield you can shoot through was a good idea? The bubble shield in Halo 3 would protect you from incoming damage but it meant you couldn't shoot if you were inside it either.
I'd say the only good addition is the repulser because at least it requires some degree of skill in its use and can save your ass from dumb weapons like the energy sword now that we lack a proper shotgun to counter it.
@@nagiaoe2434
Titanfall has, A-wall; let's you shoot through the deployer's side, as does Hard Cover.
I actually feel like Grappleshot has too small a range. Many time I've tried to grapple onto a tower and failed because I wasn't close enough and died before leaving the ground.
Fuck Last Spartan Standing. I literally just finished the last of the weekly challenges for it and it was pure agony and reminds me why I don't enjoy Battle Royale.
@@superjesse645 I'm sure the only people that like last Spartan standing are the same people that are into CBT
I too keep saying this series feels like coming back to an abusive relationship. I am saying it now. This was their last chance and I have hung up Infinite for good. I didn't make it to S2. Years of lies, poor choices, and a lack of understanding of what the fans want is just too much. 10 original maps at launch, forge, slit-screen co-op, functional theatre, no armor cores, customizable elites, and a concluding story is what we needed. Each season after the launch would be based on Bungie's old games. S1, Halo CE. Adds the OG shotgun and magnum with Blood Gulch and Chill Out. S2, Halo 2 adds SMG and Brute Shot with Hedlong and Ivory Tower. S3, brings the Spartan Laser and all the old power items with Sandbox and Foundry. S4, Halo: Reach with the DMR and Needle Rifle with Countdown and Boneyard. There's your first ENTIRE year. Each season comes with cosmetics related to the each game. Year 2 would be be two seasons. S1, Firefight with four maps and cosmetics galore. S2, Battle Royale with an extended version of Forge World and the City of New Mombasa's streets and rooftops. Boom. Two years of content and payable cosmetics to keep cash flowing, earning 343i some respect, and it would have been a king among BF2042 and Vanguard. Their whole communities would have flocked over just to play a functional game with steady content. Feel free to hire me 343i, I got more ideas if you want em. I'll take 50k and some benefits for the next for years as your head.
Such great points around 6:00 bro as a long time halo fan i respect that so much. I always feel like my voice is unheard but to know others understand these details like i do is very comforting.
Id like to add one of my many other notices, Bungie only had 1 or 2 maps in each game that were too big, like Sandtrap, Boneyard, Spire, etc because they knew not everyone liked oversized maps, they understood Valhalla was a perfect size.
In halo 4 everyone hated big team maps because they were all oversized, its like they were built for 32 players. 343 actually responded well and made smaller, better maps for halo 4 dlc which was amazing. However halo 5 returned with… incredibly large big team maps and warzone that nobody wanted…
Halo infinite has 3 incredibly large big team maps that nobody likes…
joe is king, make him head of 343
I'm just here to say Fuck 343
Also thanks for the content over all this time
The Halo games that Bungie made were stellar space operas. Everything about Bungie’s Halo games were iconic. The music, main menu, gameplay, storyline, characters, enemies, weapons, etc. After Reach, Halo while still popular but it lost its way. A franchise that once revolutionized the FPS genre eventually became a trend follower.
Exactly. Halo used to embody the words "Combat Evolved." Now it's starting to feel like a rip-off of Call of Duty.
Not only is 343 alienating Halo players, but Call of Duty fans already have their own game franchise, and I doubt players would put down their game to pick up a new one that's trying to be what they already have.
Also Mods and Just Fan made stuff will never let a franchise be forgotten
What happened was that they managed everything like shit. That's it. Literally every problem they have traces back to utter shit management. Good fucking job 343. I loved Halo 4 but god damn they have fucked up everything since.
I haven't been happy with 343 ever since they took the franchise.
They are incompetent. They ignore all negative feedback.
They admitted to hiring people who hate halo to form the core of the studio....
They have a Kathleen kennedy/Anita sarkessian in BONNIE ROSS WHO EMPHASIZES DIVERSITY HIRES!
I TRULY HATE 343 FOR RUINING HALO .
343 ARE LYING SCUMBAGS. THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE FRANCHISE.
F THIS COMPANY
The employee thing hits home for me. Recently I went to an interview for a hotel chain in a region. Part of the job literally includes transporting money between hotels. The rest being important tasks.
You wanna know what the pay was for the job? $16.49 with maybe a raise to $17 in 14 months to 2 years, with a 0.25 cent raise every year.
After the interview as I was driving home I was thinking “you fuckers are BEGGING to be robbed.” For a high end (or at least they claim they are) hotel chain. Wish I looked at the employee reviews as they said what’d you expect, including high turnover.
Just look at Radio Shack at what happens when a company gets greedy cheap on their employees. They go boom bust.
You should have sold that info to someone willing to hit it & made yourself a quick couple G finders fee
This video is disturbingly underrated
Thank you for making this, more people need to realize being a halo fan doesn’t mean you have to blindly support 343
I really agree with you man. Something has to be done and it has to be drastic
You should do the evolution of weapons and vehicle's. Maybe even the evolution of forerunner artifacts. Would love to see your take on a lot of these.
What's surprising to me is that 343 has done such a phenomenal job with the Master Chief collection. Arguably the best addition was the custom games browser, and now they've announced they're going to be adding cut content from the CE pre-release days. Seems like they are able to roll out more content for a 20 year old game than for the one they are working on right now. Absolutely wild.
Ikr!
I feel like people don't realize the MCC took 8 years to be in good spot. 8 years. If that's how long it takes 343 to finish a game, then Halo will be dead by the time 343 finish infinite.
MCC still has loads of bugs. Yes, when it works, it is good. But you are playing a knock off version of each game. They are all inferior versions of them, especially noticeable in the multiplayer with horrendous hit detection. 343 doesn't care tho, they won't fix it because they think it's acceptable
You do know the master chief collection was COMPLETELY broken at launch and years after
@@lewispooper3138 I'm talking about pc
I've played halo for 2 years now, and I love it. And it pains me how much this video is right.
I don’t get why 343 keeps trying to “appeal to a bigger audience”. Like bro, its HALO you can’t really get much bigger than that.
I agree with everything i am kinda burnt out on playing halo infinite as a whole halo ce-reach where better then halo 4-inf
i think i was too kind with 343i, you opened up my eyes. As a first fan of Halo franchise (2005 when i was 3 years old wtf) i can say that i dont get what i want, and when i see videos like these, i think im not alone to think like that. Seriously, i dont know how we can have a good halo state from now on.
Its July 2022 and im still waiting for the millions of ways to customize my spartan at launch like they promised
Finally another person that wants firefight also your idea was good and I want it to have customizable waves etc
Halo should always be rated M.
It hurts how accurate this entire vid was. People probably aren’t gonna like this one, but it’s the hard truth we all gotta face
Solid video man
Halo has been my life for a long time. I picked it up quite late, 2014 I believe, but instantly fell in love and have been addicted to the campaigns and lore ever since. And though I want to say in 343i's defense that Halo Infinite, when compared to H4 and H5, was a distinct improvement, I can't help but to agree with what you're saying. My buring passion for this franchise kind of "cooled off" after the release of Infinite. The game we had been waiting for so long, the one that seemed to hold so many promises, a return to form. Yet when I finally got my hands on it, I felt disappointed, especially with the campaign. It looks like Halo, it sounds like Halo... but it isn't. The story feels off, shallow, incoherent and oddly insignificant. Beyond a few points, I felt little to no emotional connection to the story like I do with all of Bungies games. I finished the campaign feeling empty, knowing that this might have been Halo's last chance for redemption. And from a lore perspective, it was also a let down.
And of course, the other aspects you brought up are definitely true. I fullheartedly agree
Fuck, this makes me depressed in a way, I remember the hype we all felt when infinite was first announced and the first engine trailer, words cannot describe how hyped I was for this game, the theories we all had, the expectations, all for a big let down, I remember when they announced they had to delay the game for the first time they did, I was a bit let down but it was understandable in a way, but all of that came to what we now have, a major disappointment.
Amen man you
Took the words out of my mouth
It’s just depressing that halo is in this state
It took 8 months to get 2 maps.
Let that sink in *real* good
I have been wondering the same myself, definetily interested to hear what you have to say
It is so sad but true
Its funny how we have heard the term "the halo killer" over the year. Whether it's doom, call of duty, etc, none of them killed halo. As it turns out, the true halo killer was a team of people hired specifically to produce new halo products... its sad in an ironic way
Wake up babe, another "Behind the scenes of 343" video
Halo fans: We are in an abusive relationship
Paper Mario fans: First time?
Star Wars Fans:"First Time?"
Star trek fans: First time?
This whole 343 story reads like an experience I had in a high school drama class.
The assignment was to take a monologue from any of the scripts we had studied up until that point and perform 60 seconds of it. If the monologue was too long to be performed within 60 seconds (which mine was), I was free to choose where to start and end. I felt awkward because no matter where I tried to place my start and end point, I couldn’t get my performance to deliver the same impact as the original work because the monologue was meant to be performed in its entirety. So, I decided - thinking I was being clever - to write in an extra line at the end of my performance to mitigate the fact that I was cutting the monologue short.
Fast forward to the day I give my performance and my teacher was not happy. The first word out of his mouth after I finished was: why? And he wasn’t even trying to hide the fact that he was asking a rhetorical question. What followed was the longest two minutes of my life where my teacher basically told me that I missed the point of the assignment and was delusional in thinking that I could somehow rewrite a professional script as a teenager who frankly doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Don’t change something before you understand what it is. Don’t lose sight of what you’re supposed to do. Don’t think you’re being clever just because you’re colouring outside the lines.
I'm not sure what the issue with that story is. Even if the change wasn't that good, you were doing it in the interest of preserving the original quality of it by restructuring it slightly. That alone shows ingenuity and care for integrity of the message being conveyed, and even if you have no idea what you're doing, it's still a crucial step in your learning. It's one small hiccup with a good intention, which is completely unlike 343's first jab at Halo which was a completely unnecessary overhaul that ruined something.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but your teacher sounds really pretentious and condescending. Sure, maybe it was missing the point of the assignment, but creativity and motivation like that is something to be appreciated and properly directed, not completely talked down. These two scenarios seem nothing alike, but again, maybe I'm missing something.
Mega Construx has been singlehandedly keeping the halo fandom alive
What makes me even sadder is there’s hope in the campaign for Halo infinite, I loved playing it