Who are Aegon Targaryen's Allies?
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- Who is loyal to Aegon Targaryen and the Hightowers? Who has sided with Rhaenyra and Daemon? And who has yet to choose between Black and Green? Contains NO spoilers for House of the Dragon Season 2.
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00 - The Green Council
02:35 - Team Green
04:47 - Team Black
05:22 - Daemonscaped
05:45 - The Undecided
07:03 - The Wildcards
"House of the Dragon is an American fantasy drama television series. A prequel to Game of Thrones (2011-2019), it is the second show in the franchise, created by George R. R. Martin and Ryan Condal for HBO. Both series are based on the A Song of Ice and Fire novels by Martin. Condal and Miguel Sapochnik are the showrunners. Based on parts of the novel Fire & Blood, the series is set about 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones, and 172 years before the birth of Daenerys Targaryen. It portrays the beginning of the end of House Targaryen, the events leading up to and covering the Targaryen war of succession, known as the "Dance of the Dragons"
"Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss for HBO. It is an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, a series of fantasy novels by George R. R. Martin, the first of which is A Game of Thrones. Set on the fictional continents of Westeros and Essos, Game of Thrones has a large ensemble cast and follows several story arcs throughout the course of the show. The first major arc concerns the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros through a web of political conflicts among the noble families either vying to claim the throne or fighting for independence from whoever sits on it. A second focuses on the last descendant of the realm's deposed ruling dynasty, who has been exiled to Essos and is plotting to return and reclaim the throne. The third follows the Night's Watch, a military order defending the realm against threats from beyond Westeros's northern border."
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The long-awaited sequel to my Team Black video. Enjoy!
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 - The Green Council
02:35 - Team Green
04:47 - Team Black
05:22 - Daemonscaped
05:45 - The Undecided
07:03 - The Wildcards
Ah the soon to be extinct team green
Aemond has to be my favorite. You can't just put an anime villain in the show like that and expect me to not love him.
Yup he is a total anime villian, soon will get monologues.
Daeron the Daring is the best Green.
I’m green because the Baratheons are on their side.
Our is the Fury!
I'm Green because of the Lannisters, Brackens and Peakes. Whoever got these formidable houses on their side and not another cringe Stark, Tully, Arryn coalition (or god forbid the Blackwoods) must be in the right.
@@pg1448 Blackwoods are the OC donut steel of Westerosi houses.
@@pg1448 It is funny how George made all of the "bad guy" Houses support the Greens
Lord Bormunds son is a snake
@@J10005 no it was the most profitable choice for his house and he didnt swore any oath he didnt owe loyalty
A thing to remember about Orwyle is that he SAYS he was peer pressured into it, when he’s recounting the events while imprisoned and facing possible execution. So his participation in the coup could well in fact have been as willing as it’s portrayed in the show, and he just later lies about this while being interrogated.
That's true actually
I don't think we know how long afterward it was written. With the benefit of hindsight, "clearly" the side that won out was in the right and the side that lost was in the wrong and any inconvenient facts that contradict that will be ignored.
@@johnpotts8308 but no side won the dance. You could say the Blacks got an heir on the Iron Throne but both sides decimated each other to such a degree that the only ones left were children.
Team Black: Sends a child on an international flight by himself to a place called "The Stormlands,"
Also Team Black: Gets all mad when he dies
That's one way to put it, and a weak one.
Also sends a underage boy based on his alleged Baratheon kinship that everyone knows to be a farce to negotiate an alliance with this prickly and proud lord with nothing else to offer except for a reminder of his father's oath. She sends Luke and his tiny dragon knowing that the Greens have Vaghar and also sent terms to Storms End instead of Rhaenys, who has actual Baratheon blood and rides a fearsome beast that could make an impression. Yeah Rhaenyra is a diplomatic genius.
It's a diplomatic mission where no one was to be harmed
@@equusquaggaquagga536 you know they don't let you take off a small plane if it's even a little windy, right?
It certainly shows Rhaenyra's naivety/arrogance in not providing Lord Borros with any actual terms
Gotta respect the Ironrod. Also our main man Vaegon, who will hopefully pop up in season 2.
29 Kids by 4 wives!
I'd love a Vaegon cameo so much
Tyland Lannister was absolutely great, did more damage than 100 Cregan Starks
Yeah, that treasury move probably did the most damage to the blacks out of anything the greens did
@@Isuream6331 singlehandedly led rhaenyra's fall in the long run just another example of why the greens are superior lol
That's the tragedy of Aegon II his allies see him as nothing but a pawn an afterthought in their schemes which is why I root for Aegon II The man who will do things on his own terms
There's a reason Otto and Alicent aren't rallying behind Aemond instead - he would be too difficult to control
@@fantasyhaven1Are they not rallying behind Aemond because he killed Luke or was he to difficult to control before that?
@@Thrawn23. hes always been wild and had his own ways, aegon is more listener and thats why I think aegon would be a good ruler with alicent and otto and the help of aemond than aemond even though Im an aemond stan.
@@hazeinheaven I thought it was the other way around and Aemond was easier to control from the start then Aegon was. Alicent has an influence on both of them but not at the same decree
@@Thrawn23. in the books its aegon who listens, in show its aemond who listens but not too much on aegon, he actually listened alicent and sent peace terms to rhaenyra instead listening otto's execution plan. aemond became wild by time in the show, while in the book he was ''half the size of aegon but twice the fierce, bold, hot tempered, willful and unforgiving'' from the start
My Grandson’s allies are the true and brave houses of Westeros! He is the rightful king, and despite the disadvantages of a very powerful rebel faction around Rhaenyra, they have stayed loyal to their king 💛💚👑🤴
I love how your profile picture changes every time you comment haha
@@fantasyhaven1 gotta stay fresh. Can’t let people catch on. Next time it’ll be different again.
Got to make our faction seem bigger than it is 😅😂
Also your grandson Aegon ii presented as so inspiring that he turns Rhaenyras men who have been sworn to her since aegon was a babe against her whilst he was crippled and easily capturable, allowing him to conquer the ancient House of Targaryens: Dragonstone
@@isabelbarranco7055 Not to mention that the smallfolk and minor lords almost to a man prefer His Grace. If nobody had dragons, I could be fairly sure that the Greens would have won easily.
King Rapey 😂
The "overwhelming superiority" in support of Rhaenrya was a mirage, since the three most populous kingdoms with the most wealth and resources supported Aegon (yes the Reach was half and half, but Honeywine effectively ended all Black activity there for the duration of the war). Counting the wealth of the Reach or the Westerlands or the population of the Crownlands is as critical if not more critical than head counting the 58 or something Lords that supported Rhaenerya, many of whom were from smaller lands and had smaller hosts.
Also it just comes down to weak writing. The whole Dance is full of contrived writing, but what especially irked me is that some reach houses closely tied to the Hightowers such as Costayne or Tarly decide to go to war against their own kin or liege lords to support frickin Rhaenyra and Daemon on remote Dragonstone. But at the same time Westerlanders and some Riverlanders with no ties to the Hightowers do fight for Aegon. That just makes no sense. The sole reason the whole Reach doesn't back Aegon is that a united Reach, Westerlands and Stormlands faction would obliterate the North and Riverlands easily.
@@pg1448 Maybe they were loyal to Viserys I wishes I would be.
@@pg1448 Yeah I guess it's probably cause f&b was being written as a timeline of events, right. After a few major houses, George probably didn't give too much thought on the motivations and reasons for where the loyalty of a household would lie. He most likely pulled random names out of the hat and then backfilled. Which inevitably creates an issue on fielding sides for the battles in a realistic way. Personally I'm not a huge stickler for logistical realism. I'm fine with logistics taking a backseat to themes and symbolism within reason. But even I could not help notice the Army of the Riverlands when led by Kermit Tully, son of Elmo (lmao George wasn't even trying with the names) suddenly went from the historical punching bag of Westeros to this Avengers Assemble squad with insane plot armor that kept respawning and was apparently the reason for every Black victory everywhere in the map. I guess the best Riverlands commanders were born a couple hundred years too early. If only they were around for the war of the five kings.
@@pg1448 More like a couple of Reach houses didn't like seeing House Hightower become the most powerful house in Westeros.
@@Argos-xb8ek I guess kinda this. Also with their liege lord Tyrell remaining neutral and not taking part the rest of the Reach might have lacked a true unifying figure under the Greens of Aegon II.
Orwyle was probably a part of the coup in the books his account of events was written while imprisoned by aegon III he was probably trying to ingratiate himself to the new ruling dynasty
Good point
We light the way🟢
Such cool house words especially since they are the religious and academic center of Westeros housing both the Starry Sept and the Citadel. They literally light the way out of ignorance and depravity.
For the night is dark and full of terrors
To our graves....
True king of westros
My favorite member of Team Green is Aemond. Gotta love a Manga villain.
Daeron is a good lad, had no other choice given his older brothers.
@@ilovemesomme my boy won 2 battles singlehandedly at 14
Good breakdown
Here we go, caught this early too. Always a banger with this channel.
Thanks!
I'm just Green for the Blue Queen Tessarion and Daeron the Daring.
I hope they have him riding on tesarion for his ending and not some rando
Every Daeron in history has been a chad.
I'm working on a video about Team Green dragons for next week 👀
I could totally see dorne siding with team black as well, if they get to them first and use the whole female ruler angle since princess nymeria is a beloved figure in dorne
Dorne is allied with the Triarchy, and Corlys and Daemon warred against them...
The Iron Islands seem like they are essentially more like an occupied and hostile territory than an actual region of the realm.
They're a strange part of the lore ngl
Aemond. Always Aemond. Then Otto. If we were talking books, Alicent before Otto.
If we're talking books then Aemond is even less competent and suited to be king than Aegon. The writing team just had their personal favorites and tried to add depth/sympathy to their favorites, while scapegoating others like Aegon to make Aemond/Alicent look better. They pretty much whitewashed those two and then made Aegon into a cartoon villain/Joffrey 2.0 so he's universally hated and everyone supports Rhaenyra while still allowing their favorite greens in Alicent/Aemond to be fan favorites. Book Aegon is honestly a top 3 character in the dance, it's really frustrating how his character got destroyed by the showrunners. The whitewashing backfired on both sides, because I'd argue book Alicent is a more compelling character because she has agency and leads the green council in the book.
I love the figure of Lord Grover at 5:55 beacuse he has absolutely coincidentally the same name as the Sesame Street character.
If by any chance we see HotD characters in the future who are coincidentally named in a similar way, please do continue. Not that something like that will probably happen... I mean, what names would Ernie Tully or Cookie Monster Tully be?
Thanks, I couldn't resist
I thought Aegon's banners were a golden dragon
We see the golden banner during Aegon's coronation in the show - but when Otto arrives at Dragonstone in Episode 10, Ser Erryk announces that his boat is flying "a green three-headed dragon". So I'm assuming the gold banner is Aegon's personal sigil in HOTD
@@fantasyhaven1why dont you use it? Are you a black propagandist?
I'm team Green. Because Baratheons said we team green. So i Said team Green
I have no complaints
Don’t forget the fleets of the paxters and the redwines
hahaha I didn't realised your ads were jokes until now, sorry for skiping man it's just muscle memory at this point, Im probably going to rewatch your videos anyway so I wont skip them next time
It's all in good fun :)
At first I thought this was a video about Young Griff lol. Now i see that this is a HotD video I can say that he truly didn't have many allies since he was poisoned shortly after naming Aegon Dragon's bane as his heir.
2:22 Love the HOTD take on the famous Sophia Loren & Jane Mansfield photo!
What's with the green dragon? I remember hearing them saying that in the one episode, but was the banner behind him in the coranation not a dark gold? I thought the green comment was a misstake.
I think Aegon's sigil is gold, and Otto's sigil is green. Either one could be the official Green coat of arms
@@fantasyhaven1 I find it strange that Otto would take a Targaryen symbol as his own. I think it's a mistake tbh, I don't think such a sigil is mentioned anywhere else, correct me if I'm wrong.
Do you think we'll have an episode in season 2 soley focused on the Starks with Jace trying to win over Cregan?
I mean they kinda have too,considering if they just leave it out it’ll be weird once they show the ending of dance which cregan is a big part of.
There's too much going on for us to have episodes set in just one place - but I hope Jace's storylines in the Vale and the North have time to breathe
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Glad you enjoyed
I am slightly more sympathetic to Team Green, because Viserys being the legitimate king is based off the Great Council deciding in favour of male primogeniture, which in addition to common law would make Aegon the rightful king. Rhaenyra's obvious bastards were also certain to cause conflict down the line.
It's kind of crazy how enormously Rhaenyra fumbled the bag despite having unlimited support of a popular king, far more dragons, more big gun houses (Minor Spoiler: Stark, Velaryon, Arryn, Tully, Tyrell vs Lannister, Baratheon, Hightower) and many agents in the enemy camp.
Aegon is awful, but he is young with potential for change and Alicent's son, Rhaenyra went out of her way to marry a cartoon villain in Daemon, who has been laughably evil for many decades. Obviously neither side is right, but watching Rhaenyra is like watching someone lose on easy mode in a game.
Alicent is probably my favorite green, because of how limited and conflicted she is, while still doing everything to save her family and having both a lot of reasonable criticisms of the Blacks, as well as personal hang ups. Then again I also like Larys for the opposite reasons lol.
"big gun houses"?
Velaryons were annihilated, Starks and Arryns took too long to assemble, Tullys had to be coerced and Tyrrels were neutral
Rhaenyra has 2 true born sons, Aegon and Viserys..
Great video! Love that you left out spoilers for peeps who haven't read Fire & Blood, they're going to be in for such a treat in next seasons #TeamBlack
Thanks, and yeah I'll always have a spoiler warning
Go Greens!
It's funny how Otto thought that no one in westoros would support Rhaenyra when most of realm was Black during the dance
So true, she had twice as many house supporting her over Aegon
Unfortunately the regions she gathered strength from were the less populous and wealthy in the realm, maybe bar the Vale
The North and the Vale were too slow be of any use
Causing a civil war to prevent a civil war...
Weak writing bruh.
Aemond 💪😎
Thailand Lannister heheh
Team Gaemon Pale Hair
The One True King of Westeros
I just want the red kraken in hotd
The TRUE King of Westeros
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Traitor
Fook outta here, I king V wanted his daughter as the ruler, kings word is law. I think male rulers are generally better but Aegon is degen
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@@byun1119 king word ain't law otherwise Maegor would still be king instead of jaehaereyes you need support as well and as you can see rhaenera lacks it.
Man i completely forgot about this show with TLoU
HOTD, TLoU, Succession - HBO's been pumping out some bangers recently
Which houses do you think will go extinct in Winds?
House LANNISTER
@@newportspapi7174 that's an obvious one, but there's the 2nd branch of the Lannister house
@@BananLord true, I think House Baratheon is also pretty likely. Excluding Roberts bastards
@@newportspapi7174 if things go bad, the Greyjoys are gonna go poof
In Winds? None. By the end of ASOIAF, The Targaryens have a good chance of going extinct, and maaaaybe the Tullys. Otherwise I think the other houses are too large or secure. A few more of them I could see being dispossessed of their lands though - Greyjoys, Lannisters, Martells and Tyrells are all at risk here. I'm pretty sure the Arryns, Baratheons and Starks are safe as ruling dynasties
Green
I know it won't happen, but here's wishing a long and prosperous reign to King Aemond.
Long live the King
ok am i missing a meme here why its always said BEEEESbury
Both
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Well - 1000
So from now I am gonna comment interesting on every video I watch. I know no one gives a fuck but whatever.
Interesting
Interesting.
@@fantasyhaven1 Love your videos man.
Just asking if you would make videos on Asoiaf lore or history??
@@fantasyhaven1 You should make shorts about Hotd or Asoiaf lore.
Yeah, this channel is gonna focus on animated fantasy lore (mostly Asoiaf) like my House Frey video
Good idea!
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Aegon is naught but a usurper.. but, by the laws of gods & men, the crown SHOULD have been his. Viserys defied centuries of tradition, tradition that had made him King in the first place. Rhaenyra is the True Heir but Aegon is the Rightful Heir. Viserys should have called a Great Council like the wise Jahaerys.
I thought it was that the Tyrells took power after the Targaryens were deposed?
Nah they took power after Aegon's Conquest
the Tyrells were granted Highgarden by Aegon after the original holders, the Gardeners (who the Tyrells were Stewards for) were wiped out by Aegon in the Field of Fire.
Ahhhh just remembering that there genuinely people who are taking sides in this, which is fine, but can’t acknowledge the terrible things their faves have done and will do.
Yeah, people need to chill and remember that it's just a fantasy show
Got :"Maybe the ture losers are the riverlands that died along the "I have not read fire and blood ,according geography of westors riverlanders cooked
DARKLING SCHEMES
D a r k l i n g
Luckily house Frey keeps their oaths
The Freys of old were a lot more... honourable
Blacks should combine dragons and fleet and sack Casterly rock then Old Town and THEN lay seige to the capital. Done.
Algorithm
more algorhythm, my braincell can't think of a smart comment except that i like anything this guy drops
@@spetkadis Thanks! You're awesome
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Team Green !!!!! 😂😂😂
I think your fake sponsorships are just barely realistic enough to trick ad-skip browser extensions. This is hilarious, and sad. I really like the running gag.
Holy shit that might be it
Yayyyy it's here 🤩🤩🤩
(And I'm late to it but still yayyy)
Hope you enjoyed!
@@fantasyhaven1 i obviously did ☺️(◕ᴗ◕✿)
It's crazy how most of Westeros even though she's a woman and had bastards, Otto assumed most of the continent wouldn't support her because of those reasons but he underestimated Westeros.
Well one thing I don’t think is really brought up is the fact that most of the Lords were in fact sworn to her she had spent a fuck ton of her early years traveling around the realm making diplomatic visits to different castles and houses while Otto might believe that people don’t like her that’s not necessarily the truth so I think it gives a little bit less credence to Otto‘s initial plot to try and overtake the throne if not for him there probably wouldn’t have been conflict to begin with
@@hudsonlewer7486 yeah Otto's greed is what caused everything and I didn't know Rhaenyra ever did any royal progresses, I know she did to find a suitor but that's all I know about
@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 Yeah so essentially her tour to find a suitor happened during like a two year long procession where she went around the entire kingdom many lords and heirs directly pledged to her during this which didn’t even have to do with the oath of fealty they swore to her when her father named her heir ( this is all taken from the book material but they did show a little bit of it with the suitors in StormsEnd
That would imply the king himself isn't a pawn lol
Very good point. There's a reason Otto is pushing for Aegon and not Aemond
@@fantasyhaven1 Because Aegon is the first-born son of the King? Lmao Pushing Aemond over Aegon would dumb af. First because it would kill entirely the Green cause and 101 Council's precedent. Second, not noble House would support Aemond over Aegon or Rhaenyra or their legitimate sons( Jaehaerys or Aegon the younger).
Plus,on the book Aegon was the politically smarter brother,much more than Aemond.
It wouldn't kill the Green cause - a male would still be inheriting the throne ahead of a female which is what matters.
And yeah, if Aegon were to abdicate, nobles would absolutely switch to Aemond. Aegon willingly wants to leave. They would also accept Aemond jumping ahead of Aegon's children for pragmatic purposes - it's better to rally behind an adult warrior with a giant dragon over a child during a time of crisis.
And yeah you're right about the book. Aemond is just a psycho in Fire and Blood, while in the show he seems to be a learner man as well as a warrior
True queen forever f.... o.... eagon
Easy to rule for otto
Traitors
The traitors of the realm
Team Black for me. Idk why people preach gender precedence, the council of 101 was a vote between candidates, not gender. Succession is often messy, and there was never a firm rule. Named heirs have been far more common than a lot of the characters (and fans) seem to remember. More recent to the main story Aerys wished to set aside Rhaegar and name Viserys, and prior to the dance Maegor had named the Princess Aerea.
In the case of the dance (hotd), Rhaenyra has more Targaryen blood, and the greens tried supplanting her before her own heirs and questions about their legitimacy. If anything, prior to the green coup, precedence for succession landed on those with the strongest bloodline (that too was the named heir). In reality, succession went to the strength of arms.
The council was because Jaehaerys I didnt have the balls to say he didnt want a women on the throne so he yielded his responsibility to lesser men and they chose wrong.
A king with absolute power lets lords who were conquered by his grandsir decide who will rule the realm.
In my opinion the end of the Targaryens started with Jaehaerys I because of that council, if only he chose one or the other atleast the realm would know that the king makes the decisions.
@@yusufraage8554 I must've missed that part in all the books and histories :S lol
Jaehaerys (the conciliator) knew how to rule, a king that understood the power of able advisors. He had no clear heir, and indecision would have resulted in war. "Wrong" decision would have put the Targaryens offside with any number of powers within the continent. Putting the decision on the lords is an incredibly wise move - it keeps the subjects loyal to the ruling family, keeps possible threats rivals to each other and not the royals, and the decision made is extremely hard to argue with when they all hard a part in deciding.
The only mistake in it, one could say, is allowing and trusting the maesters to collect, collate and count the votes without corruption
@@joshtedmanson6078 He made all the Targaryens after him weak by making people who were conquered by his grandfather choose his heir.
If you can’t see how that is a problem then……
@@yusufraage8554 how is that a problem, and how were future Targaryens weaker after it?
After the reign of Jaehaerys, Dorne was briefly conquered by force, then brought into the realm with diplomacy. Multiple pretenders and their rebellions were put down, foreign would-be invaders were stopped before even treading foot on Westerosi soil, and the "Last Targaryens" (minus Daenerys/Viserys) whilst mad as hell still commanded the loyalty of over half the realm.
If anything, the Targaryens rule was consolidated by the council. If not for the council, there could have very easily been a Baratheon, Valeryon or even an Arryn dynasty rise and take the throne.