Cheap $5k Chinese Dirt Bikes the Next Big Thing?︱2-Stroke 2021 Kayo KT 250 vs. KTM 250 XC TPI
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- With Skyrocketing Dirt Bike Prices, will Cheap Chinese dirt bikes the next big thing? Shop Kayo parts and accessories here: amzn.to/3El54GM This 2-Stroke 2021 Kayo KT 250 is just $5k vs. its KTM 250 XC TPI 2-Stroke counterpart at $10,200! In this video we put the Kayo KT250 up against the KTM 250XC and the comparison is unbelievable. Learn more here: www.ridekayo.com/copy-of-k6-e...
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My last comment got cut off. But anyway the guy who brought Kayo to the market was a chief engineer for Honda for over 10 years. So yeah I don’t think quality will be an issue. I own a Kayo and an Apollo. Both are great bikes and I love them.
For sure! The Kayo timeline is pretty impressive. For those curious, check it out here: www.ridekayo.com/kayo-history
They blow up yet?
KTM will be better in about every way. The real question is, will it be 100% better? No, no way. It'll come down to your user experience and what you need or like. Lots of people buy BMW's to drive to work because of the experience, even though the Honda Civic does the same task.
Yeah right? Yes, I would agree with you that the KTM should be a "better machine" all the way around... but how much better is the question. Is it 90% as good as the KTM? (my mind would be blown)... or is it 75% as capable as the KTM and most riders would not really know or feel the difference due to their skill levels and the level of "push or drive" the lay down on the bike... or is it 50% of the KTM and therefore is not easy to ride or breaks down a lot or just isn't capable enough to keep up with the other riders... That is really what I want to get out of it. We shall see!
Hopefully these bike's start flooding the market and will force the other big name bikes to drop their prices. I've got a friend really thinking about trying the KT 250. I'm very curious to see how they hold up and what part's availability will be like.
Parts are fully stocked in Texas and everything we have ordered to date has arrived in less than 3 days. Pretty good in the current climate. Yeah, these bikes might cause a shift in the marketplace. I have seen several in pickup truck beds on the freeway lately... Change is good.
Buy used Japanese f k China
@johnnyrebellion8672 That’s how I would roll to… as a backup / play bike. Not as my primary.
That bike looks promising! I look forward to the review. Can you do a video of the process for plating a 2-stroke in AZ?
Great suggestion. Done from the dealership I believe it is just another piece of paper. We shall see.
Can't wait to see how the Kayo stacks up.
You and I both!
Really can’t wait to see how this goes. Local dealer has these and wondered how they hold up.
I am stoked too... I do think the KTM should be a "better machine" all the way around... but how much better is the question. Is it 90% as good as the KTM? (my mind would be blown)... or is it 75% as capable as the KTM and most riders would not really know or feel the difference due to their skill levels and the level of "push or drive" the lay down on the bike... or is it 50% of the KTM and therefore is not easy to ride or breaks down a lot or just isn't capable enough to keep up with the other riders... That is really what I want to get out of it. We shall see!
I have the 140 Kayo had it almost 6months no problems and have gave it hell there great bikes
@@darnett1307 Good to know. Thank you
@Duke Bonde That says it all right there. Worth buying one then.
@@manybikes how do you feel about them today?
Kayo looks really good for that price can’t wait to see the riding video it may surprise us
Yeah right? Yes, I do think the KTM should be a "better machine" all the way around... but how much better is the question. Is it 90% as good as the KTM? (my mind would be blown)... or is it 75% as capable as the KTM and most riders would not really know or feel the difference due to their skill levels and the level of "push or drive" the lay down on the bike... or is it 50% of the KTM and therefore is not easy to ride or breaks down a lot or just isn't capable enough to keep up with the other riders... That is really what I want to get out of it. We shall see!
Kyle, any early thoughts as to how these bikes stack up against each other? Thanks for posting.
Yes, have a watch of this KT 250 first ride: czcams.com/video/pqQM2t0t9t4/video.html I think this bike is for sure 80 to 85% of a Japanese or European bike. At half the price I think it is a GREAT value for those not looking to push the envelope when riding off-road. I'm waiting for the next shipment as this bike was sold the day after I took the 1st ride! Dude talked to me as I rolled into the parking lot and SNATCHED it UP! The are sold. The FastAce Suspension works... Pretty impressive really.
The KTM is beautiful! The Kayo is also very well built. Kayo engine is a Yamaha DT230 clone, not 250cc displacement. I believe that everybody will be impressed with the Kayo. Fast Ace has been around a VERY long time. Technology is catching up with all the other manufacturer's. Kind of like Snap-On and the new Icon brand from Harbor Freight. You pay for the Snap-On name, but they both turn fasteners. The Kayo and the GPX Moto brand out of Utah have the same 2 Stroke bike you have right there. The GPX has a few upgrades, but same bike. The GPX is pretty proven by now. A very solid bike. A lot of folks have to understand that 300cc bikes made by Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha are not made in Japan. The Hondas are made in Brazil. The Honda Teail 125 is made in I believe Thailand. Kawasaki 300cc and under Indonesia. Yamaha (TTR 230) are also made in Brazil. Kayo has been in business since I think 2003, just new to the states. I hope they do well at the dealerships. I know I want one and plan to purchase in the next few weeks. The models I'm looking at are the Kayo K6-EFI, the K4 250 air cooled, and the one you are representing in this video. I just subscribed! Can't wait for the fun to begin. Thumbs up for taking the time to create the content. For me, I don't know how people do it. What I mean is how do you pay $10K to $12K for a dirt bike to play on regardless where it's made, or who makes it. One last thing... that Kayo is NOT your typical chinese quality that people make fun of.
Yes, looking at the build quality of the Kayo I knew it was NOT a typical Chinese manufacturer as it is really well put together. As for the motor, the casting shows a 249cc on the side of it but it sure does look a LOT like the DT230 motor! Another odd thing is the collector pipe. It looks like the typical bend of a modern 125 NOT a 250 or a 300! How will this change the way the power is put to the ground? This will be interesting, that is for sure!
@@manybikes was, or wasn't typical Chinese bike?
@@Joeak74 NOT - edited, thank you!
@@manybikes I wonder what pipe will fit this? FMF? GPX Moto in Utah has the one off their bikes available.
@@Joeak74 I don't know!!!
I like it, but I'd worry about how long to get replacement parts and lack of aftermarket parts. Are any top end parts interchageable with KTM or any other 250?
Yes. Many KTM parts are interchangeable. The importer in Texas has most replacement parts in-stock.
So I can buy a kayo for 4k new. Is it worth it? I don’t race. More of a farm and recreation bike. I would probably run it 25 hours a summer. Would it hold up for 4 or 5 years ?
I hope so!!!
Can't wait for the follow up video
Well, my bike got sold to a "'real customer" and now I need to wait for the next one to arrive that isn't spoken for. Stay tuned!
It's a mistake to discontinue putting kick starters on dirt bikes. If kick starting doesn't provide enough juice to the fuel injector then increase the fricken stator output.... Duh......
The manufacturers are dumbing down.
Yeah right! That kicker saved me so many times on my 2007 KTM 450 exc!
Kyle, do you have any updates on this project? I just picked up a Kayo KT 250 yesterday 5-5-2022. Can't Wait for your updates.
CONGRATS!!! As for me… Nope… sadly. The bike was sold out from under me and I’m not at the shop any longer. I do hope to get one in the future… time will tell.
Subscribed to stay tuned!
Nice! Thanks for watching. I've been a fan of your channel for a while now.
@@manybikes haha, my 3 vids?
Kyle i picked up the 250 EFI in August. AFTER seeing it in person, was blown away by the quality. Dealer let me test ride it. These {and GPX, almost same bikes} are the best trail bikes out there. The DOHC Nc250 motor has crazy torque for a low maintenance 250f, honestly as much as my yz250fx. Its super linear power all the way, and over revs great. Its 30hp to the rear wheel, and it TRACTORS. Idles up hill in second gear and hard to stall. Best part is its bullet proof, it is mass produced worldwide. The Fast Ace suspension initially pissed me off being so stiff, but after talking to a few people I run the compression all the way soft, and the rebound hard and it works really good. It prefers faster riding. Im 210lbs dry BTW. KTM WP suspension fits these if u dont like it. The EFI model has enduro orientated 18" tire and steel sprocket, if u swap to a lighter tire and aluminum sprocket the motor screams. I was going to buy a '21 WR250F, Im so glad i didnt for $10k OTD. The only negative with these bikes are of course they are heavier than advertised, but they feel light when riding. And the forks use steel components, u feel the heft {hard to wheelie, dives a bit off jumps} Bonus to that is handles and steers amazing, and I can run more sag than usual so it hooks up + steers better than any dirt bike I ever rode. Doesnt loop climbing technical stuff. This bike is the perfect middle ground between my KLX250 and YX250FX.
This is great to hear. The more we play with the Kayo bikes the more robust they seem and less problematic than many of the counterparts. Pretty sweet!
@@manybikes It really is a tough well built bike. It takes a beating and the motors are well know for being bullet proof. The motors are cheap to purchase brand new if anything ever did happen. The only downfall is the Fast Ace suspension not being easy or impossible to work on. But it does work well.
@@tieoneon1614 very interesting!
Lol 10 for 250
Are these kayo bikes discontinued? Local dealership has some but they're mostly 2021's and a few 2022 pit bikes, all heavily discounted. They have a bunch of 2023 kayo branded ATV's and side by sides tho.
Not discontinued that we know of… the distributor has stock and 23’s are on the way
This is the distributor: www.ridekayo.com/ditbikes Our local shops are fully stocked.
For that price you can't go wrong. This will be interesting to follow. Having just bought a 250xc im pretty curious
Yeah right? I am really really curious myself...
Kyle, Next week I'm going over my K6-EFI bike with a fine tooth comb with a torque wrench, lock tight, visual inspection, chain adjustment, etc. So far I'm blown away by the quality of Kayo. I mean WOW! I would lean toward saying right at Japanese quality, if not really, really close. especially the higher end bikes the the KT250, K6-EFI, K6R. That new DOHC 4 valve Zongshen engine in the K6-EFI, and K6-R is phenomenal from what I've been reading and gathering info on. It's been around for a while. A 300cc kit is also available. The engine model is Zongshen NC250 177. Based upon a Honda CB250. I'm sure you know all this stuff already. Just reiterating it.
I want to ride, but need to check off a few things on my honey do list first. I have a question...
What skid plate fits the K6 bike? Being a KTM clone, What year and model KTM skid plate, factory, or after market fits? Please let me know. I'm in a holding pattern to find out. Thanks again for creating your content. One other thing... I have two local dealers that are going to be Kayo dealers. One is a KTM dealer (that should be interesting). They don't get the Kayo bikes and quads in stock for a few about a month according to my last weeks e-mails.
I'm dying to see that KT250 being put through its paces! That servo controlled exhaust power valve will make that bike tractor over and through anything. I want both bikes! It was a hard to decide which one to get first.
Yeah, pretty sweet machines. I am unsure which skid fits the K6, will have to test fit a few here at the shop to find out / confirm. I agree with you on the quality of the bikes, pretty dialed. I am super excited to get the KT250 out into the wild. 1st issue... it does not have a brake switch and the rear brake maser is different than the KTM and the Sicass kit will not bolt on... the rear light is just running and i need a brake to ride it on the street here for my commute ;) Last bug... then we should be golden.
@@manybikes your MCO said "Motorcycle" ?
What? I don't understand.
@@manybikes Sorry about that...
manufacture certificate of origin.
I just got the Kayo K6-R Twin Cam 250 cc mx version...and let me just tell ya...it's very similar to the Big 5 bikes...every bit as solid in build quality and has more extras than other brands like.... Kenda tires stock, alloy brake away levers, Colored Billet Aluminum Hubs, 34mm Nibbi racing carb, no tools needed air filter access, back up kick start lever, dual caliper brakes with over size wave rotors, plastic frame guards stock !!, front disk cover, tach/hour meter , aluminum CNC triple clamps, gripper seat cover with stop bumps stock and so much more.....MSRP of $5000 plus tax and destination/setup fee etc....but I would try to work on that price because they are not flying off the showrooms just yet, word has not got out on them .
All of your points are solid. They are unknowns right now... thus the reason I want to do this series! Nice build, nice price... but can it hang!?
@@manybikes I predict that it will hang just fine. Its ironic that my local KTM dealer carries them.
@@manybikes , So when we gonna see the comparison ride video. I would like to see how it holds up to those KTM'S
This video series is going to be awesome! I wish your dealership was closer. I'll say this... I started looking for a new motorcycle about two years ago. I was looking for a dirt bike, but if it came set up as a dual sport, that would be fine also. Thats when I saw my first GPX Moto TSE250-R two sroke. I was impressed with the quality! Everybody knows how the motorcycle market is right now due to supply issues, etc. Finding a decent, well cared for used bike at a reasonable price is a complete joke.
To shorten this babbling up, I was looking at the Yamaha TTR 230 for a trail bike with a msrp of $5400 + dealer fees. I was also looking at, and was ready to pull the trigger on to a GPX Moto FSE250E $4400 +$400 shipping for a total of $4800. I kept researching to see what else was out there, and found Kayo, which is available only through dealers. I was looking at the K4 250 air cooled for a OTD price of $3400, the KT250-R OTD price$5600'ish, and the K6250 EFI with and OTD price of $4600. All of these bikes are incredible, but I didn't want to purchase something that I had to throw upgrades at to keep me happy, so that left out the Yamaha TTR 230. It still has a drum brake and non-adjustable suspension. Drum brake... seriously?
I chose the K6-EFI, and we'll see how it goes. It was $1200 less expensive than the GPX Moto FSE250-E I initial chose,
and fuel injected, plus WAY better suspension. It also has everything already upgraded. It does NOT come with a skid plate, so that's a negative. I believe the KT250-R will be next for me. We'll see. I would like to see FMF start making pipes for these bikes. Especially the KT250-R.
So.. Rumor has it that any skid plate that fits a 2013 KTM should fit your K6!
@@manybikes Is there any particular model/cc I should look for?
Looks like a 125 pipe? The bigger the 2 stroke displacement usually means larger expansion chamber
The expansion chamber is the same size as the KTM 250 BUT it has a different bend and the expansion is in a different location. I inquired as to why Kayo did that and have not yet gotten an answer.
Been riding Kayo t4 for a year, so far so good but the harness is not water proof. Suspension is superb 😙👌 saw the 2 stroke today and I am INTRIGUED
Great feedback!
Kyle, I still haven't taken out the K6250-EFI. Woking and no time off.
Just a heads up... the K6 EFI has running lights and brake lights. Both master cylinders have pressure switches. I wonder why the KT 250 doesn't have brake lights.
That’s really interesting!
So whats the update on the kayo? A dealership near me just started selling them I would like to actually get a durability review on it before I purchase. I mean what's the point if I have to rebuild twice a year
They are pretty reliable. They are based off existing great performing motors of the past... so performance should be similar.
Any update on proper jetting for the kt250 to take the bog it has away when you hit the throttle quick it’s bogs first then revs up?
No word as of yet...
@@manybikes I tried 135 main and 42 pilot and absolutely took that Bog away but I am in Philadelphia pa not a very high elevation lol 😅
I just got a 2022 kayo TT 125,its way bigger than other 125s.its exactly the same size as the as the KTM 250,I'm only 5"8& chubby ,so it's perfect,no problems at all, except,it takes 10 -15 to get er started when it's below freezing.im no bike expert,but I think the 2500 I paid,so far,I'm satisfied.
That is great feedback! We are happy that you are happy!
got a k2 230 and absolutely baffled how much bike it is for 1100usd new absolutely insane
Great to hear that you are stoked!
Kyle, do you have a K4 and K6-EFI at your dealership? If so, what do you think of them, and have you ridden them?
Yes, We have both of them. A customer bought the K6-EFI on Saturday and when it fired up I was SHOCKED! It sounded SO Freaking good! Made me second guess my KT 250 decision. Although I want to do some hard rocks not ideal for the K6. But maybe I rip the KT 250 for a few months and then sell if for the K6? Just maybe...
Here is the K6-R that is $300 less than the KT 250! www.azmotocity.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=11004247&p=1&s=Year&d=D&sq=k6&fr=xnewinventory
Kyle, I just picked up a Kayo K6-EFI 250 yesterday 10-14-2021. It was a tough choice. Almost all of my previous bikes were two strokes and loved them. I just wanted to try a 4 stroke with fuel injection. I wanted to get both the K6-EFI 250 and the KT-250, but my wife would have killed me. One at a time.
That K6-EFI 250 is a BEAST!!!. I don't get to actually "ride" into until next week.
Sweet! I was supposed to have taken the KT 250 home today… but it’ll have to wait until Tuesday. A customer rode away on the K6 the yesterday and I couldn’t believe how mean it sounded! Where are you located?
@@manybikes Nevada
I am pretty slammed busy right now... but we should meet up 1/2 way for a ride day where we compare the 2-Stroke vs. the 4 Stroke! I am pretty sure that would be some good times!
I picked up same bike in August. Its the Unicorn Trail bike i was looking for. The EFI has the enduro oriented 18" and steel rear sprocket. If u switch to the lighter tire 100-100-18 and aluminum sprocket it really rips. The suspension is stiff. For single track i run the compression all the way soft, rebound almost all the way hard. Its an impressive bike
@@tieoneon1614 Awesome to hear! Are you running a skid plate? If so what kind, and for what year and engine size KTM? Also... on the left side of the engine...stator side, what is that forward hose for that comes off of the cover? It loops up and then back over , pointing to the ground.
KTM owners are like Apple owners NUF said
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Not quite, KTM might be expensive, but their stuff is good. Apple on the other hand makes nothing but overpriced shit.
@@coltonowens2742 no, he's right, ktm is overpriced shit, owned by people who drink orange Kool-Aid
Great info from one of our customers Glenn R:
I've got a 2016 K6 with the SOHC engine. I installed the 300cc big-bore kit. It'll hit 85 mph on the street and will run 70-75mph all day, well as long as your butt can endure the hard seat. I finally ordered a Seat Concepts seat to cure that issue. I'm not sure if the new K6 is the same as mine, but I installed an Acerbis 4.1 gallon tank which was made for a KTM. If the new plastics are the same design as mine you can install KTM tanks, seats, and body parts on the K6. I think you can swap the Fast Ace forks with WP forks too, but I'm not 100% sure.
Sweet! Thanks for sharing!
I want to add another thing or two. I'm glad that Kayo is entering the market place IN DEALERSHIPS. That way folks can compare side by side. Parts availability will get better much faster. What the average consumer like myself get tired of seeing is the same old bike that is 30+ year old technology with a higher price tag every year, in exchange for "bold new graphics" and different colored plastics. Look at the Yamaha TTR 230 for example... A great little trail bike, but for $5500??? It still has a DRUM rear brake, crap rear suspension, and look at the front forks. Those are from the 70's/early 80's. Non-adjustable anything. Great bike for $2500. One last thing... The Kayo dealer I spoke with told me that Kayo manufactures the SSR Motorsports bikes, and ALL the Pister Pro pit bikes up to the 140cc units.
Yes, Kayo used to make all of the SSR bike but from what we have been told that ceased a few year back. The fact that the Kayo is a 6 speed with all modern componentry is pretty remarkable. We shall see...
@@manybikes kayo makes pitbikes for pitster pro
I'm pretty sure SSR manufacturers Kayo machines if I'm not mistaken.
@@bigk5746 Their real close, but....
Comparing a Kayo to a KTM is fucking funny . A LMFAO moment for sure .
Yeah, like comparing a Hundai to a BMW. But there is a client for both...
Both are nice looking bikes, but I like some more the KTM...have to see your riding comparison first to make a judgement, but almost $ 5.000 difference...it makes you think a lot!...😄.
Fair enough! But .. Yeah Right!
Please be sure to properly jet the carb on the KT250 for a fair comparison.
Yes, a properly running bike is the only way to go ;)
@@manybikes Thanks Kyle! This is going to be fun. Lots of work on your end. Thank you for that.
Kayo KT..mmm? And a splash of orange. The Chinese aren’t very subtle.
Right!!!! Kick in the pants for sure... We will see!
We love our T2 230 Kayo but parts availability is the only issue. Once that is figured out then game on.
We have a line on all the parts…. We get them in 3 to 7 days! What are you looking for?
@@manybikes nothing yet. We only have about 4 hours on the bike but I will let you know.
Sounds great!
Wait, 30:1?!? Is that was kayo recommended? Even after complete break in?
They have a sticker on the rear fender that reads, “Using engine oil not specified by Kayo or improper gas / oil mixture ratio can seriously damage engine. Model KT 250 | Type Torco GP-7 | Mix Ratio 30:1”
@@manybikes that's crazy rich, but 🤷
@@ClumsyToast I agree! But … I think they’d rather have you fowling plugs than blowing motors ;)
@@manybikes definitely. I run a little under 40:1 (even thoughmanualsays up to 60:1), it's too rich and a bit goopy, but my engine has been going much longer than it deserved to haha
How is Kayo compared to SSR and GPX?
Well... the Kayo factory used to manufacture the SSR from what I have been told. SSR does not have a 2-Stroke but the 4 stroke is $4k. The GPX 250 2-Stroke is $5600 so $400 more than the Kayo. Pretty interesting.
@@manybikes GPX wins for me because they're bikes are dual sport. It's okay if they're significantly heavier, they're street legal. I think it would be cool as hell to have a 250 2 stroke that's plated.
@@450hooligan6 Oh, I am working on it! Stay tuned!!!
Due you have any information on 2024 models for Kayo. Would really like to know more because of financial reasons ? This content is old so don’t know if you’re still doing content.💯🙏✌️🤙🇺🇸
As can be seen in the "videos" section I am actively posting videos ;). I left MotoCity 2.5 years ago and that's why the bike review content slowed. Your local dealership should have 2024 models on the sales floor! They are still going strong.
You are saying how the suspension feels better on the KTM than it does the Kayo, but you can't go by that, because they could be adjusted different, and the Kayo suspension is adjustable front and rear, so adjust it and then try it.
Yes, for sure, Suspension is all adjustable. I was giving a "fit and finish feel" ... how can I express it... like when you used to get into a 1980's Japanese car and it sounded like a tin can when closing the door vs. the quiet smooth closing of a modern car door. The suspension on the KTM was smoother and more free flowing without feeling drag. Is that a better description?
Looks like the kayo has a 125 or 150 exhaust on it
Yes, it has a different bend for sure... I have been told it was done that way to make it mild at first twist of the throttle then hit hard for the mid range and then taper off at the top. This makes "tractor" without getting out of control. We have also been told that any 2015 FMF pipe will bolt up... That could be interesting, to feel the difference between various pipes.
Did you use wide angle?, ktm looked small
It sure the hell does. What the heck?
Yes, I was shooting on a DJI Osmo camera... but the bikes were the same distance from the camera in the side shots. They are very comparable when it comes to size.
Kayo is a beautiful Bike with a very low price but in the Philippines it is not street legal, it's a production bike and does not have documents to be legally registered in the Philippine Land Transportation office, you need to load it up a truck when transporting it through national roads, it can only be ridden on trials, race track and far away remotr provinces
Thanks for your feedback!
Great bike for the price ❤ my kt250
It really is!
Which Kayo 250 is best? Well it depends on what you ride! WE just got off the K2, K4, K6-EFI and the KT250 and they are all SO Different! Check it out: czcams.com/video/tXna1NqFGVA/video.html
For my money I’m buying both the k6r, and the K6-EFI, 2 bikes for the price of 1
That is exactly what I said in my summery after riding all of the 230 / 250cc bikes!
$5K. All Chinese bikes should be sub $2k. The crappy suspensions and underpowered engines do not warrant a higher price tag.
Fair point
Wonder what’s it gonna do in the long run
That is the question!
KT250 skid plate?
2015 KTM model skid plates should fit.
250 with that small pipe isn't going to run like a proper 250 ! It has a 125 pipe on it they sound like a 85
I spent about 2 hours on it yesterday. It was I was really mild at first throttle twist, had strong pull in the midrange and wanted to be shifted quickly into the next gear. Climbing loose rocky hill sides it was like a mountain goat and worked really well. Felt "tapped out" to early when racing across the desert, but in the wash it was a ton of fun!
When we gonna get the follow up?
I wish! The KT250 was sold before I was able to take it for an extended period of time. I did spend a day on it and I'd say it is 70% of the KTM.
I guess it's good for a not so serious rider and the worst thing is its made in China where the don't give a crap at all about workmanship or quality and how much power and torque is available I definitely wouldn't dare go top speed on one I rode a friend's China pit bike and it was about maybe 3 hours of run time and the clutch was done and about 5 hours the hubs front brake and shock was trash within 15 hours it was basically completely done
That experience sounds pretty disposable. That is not the kind of bike I'd want!
Any updates, we're all curious.
Working on the registration of the bike now... I am going to Dual Sport it... and it does not have a brake light switch. Working it out...
There are two Big impediments to Chinese bikes [for ME]. Compatibility of aftermarket parts, and quality of metallurgy [i.e. steel, aluminum, etc]. Chinese are Known for using Poor tensile strength metals ....
Yes, this has been an issue in the past. CFMoto and Kayo seem to have stepped it up in a BIG way!
Nice another option. Maybe compare to suUki yamaha
That’s be a great comparison
Front fork looks about 6" longer on the kayo
Must be the camera angle... Sorry! They are pretty comparable.
the website says it weighs 242 pounds that's as much as my KTM 530 4-stroke.....
It is heavier than our modern 2-strokes.
Гарні мотоцикли!
Yes they are! Agree! I just picked up the K6 250 EFI.
That K6 260 is probably the more practical bike for me but I like the idea of the 2 stroke for exploring the very technical desert rocks out here... Might ride it for a few months, get my fix and trade it for the K6?
It looks like the Comparison vid never got made ..... :~(
That’s correct. The bike sold the next day and before a new one arrived I moved out of AZ… sorry!
It would be cool to have in the collection but at the end of the day it's not a ktm or husky and the longevity over the years will show.
As well built as they are, they will be around a long time. The build quality for the price is awesome. Lots of motorcycle for under 5K. I think everybody will be surprised. Kayo has been around a long time, and so has Zongshen. My local KTM/HUSKY dealer is starting to carry them in a few weeks. It will be interesting to see how they sell, and what other people think of them. So far I'm very happy with mine.
That is great to hear. The kids pit bikes and quads have been the quickest to sell for us thus far. Until this video series gets put together... That might be a game changer! If they turn out being 75 or 80% of the KTMs they will sell like MAD. AND... they are in-stock too! Unlike the KTM and Husky bikes at the moment. WE will see...
You can buy a triumph for that price 😮
Ha! Ha! Ha!
first chinese american 250 2stroke😳
Ha! Ha!
It definitely doesn't rival the KTM
No, it does not rival it, but for a rider who does not have $10k but could scrape together half of that... better to be riding on Kayo then sitting on the couch watching KTM!
@@manybikes agree with that
@@Matthew-wn8oq Life on two wheels! Memories made....
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China items no have guarantee, better i buy,from Japan swedish Australia Spain 💯 ORIGINAL
Good call ;)
Funny how it has a 125 pipe
Totally!
Price is the only thing it’s really got but then you have to think about the fact that you can get a use older brand name bike and you still might be better off with because then you can fix it up and you don’t know how long the kayo will hold up and if they even make parts for it
Good points for sure...
The kt250 pipe looks to small like it’s made for a 125
Totally true... the bend looks a lot like a 125 bend. The expansion chamber is similar size to any modern 250, its just the placement of the chamber that is different.
Man, KTM's are nice bikes but way over priced for the average Joe blow, just my 2 cent's !
The comparable Yamaha is the YZ250X which is $7,800 and how much “different” or behind the 8 ball is this Kayo as compared to the YZ? Less than the KTM???
Hey maybe China can have a Des Nations team lol
Ha! Ha! Ha! That would be interesting
I bet it weighs 30 lbs heavier than the KTM... and will fall apart after one year on the trail...
Ha! Ha!
@@manybikes their
website says it weighs 242 pounds that's as much as my KTM 530 4-stroke....
Ktm is the best..more hp..suspension wp..
100% KTM is the TOP!
SWM wasn’t similar to KTM! SWM is the same as old Husqvarna!
Understood. I did a comparo video back in the day. That's what I was referencing.
It is blasphemy to compare this Chinese "dirt bike" to KTM.
Ha! Ha! Like it is to compare a Kia or Hundai to a Porsche?
Half of KTM parts are made in China, including the frame.
@@ryandelzer2091 R&D still in Austria. That makes a difference.
You can't be serious
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Ya ya
Ha! Ha! Ha!
30:1 😧
That is what they say!
The Kayo could be of some sort of Japanese engine pattent
Hummmmmm
@@manybikes Most chinese brand bikes do it usually a chinese manufactured engine of old japanese engine models. who knows Kayo could be doing the same thing
You get what you pay for buy a lot of Chinese bikes and that’s all you’ll have is Chinese bikes we’ll see how it holds up
We will see!
I don't care where it's made as long as it's made well for the price I'm paying. I heard that some of the KTM bikes have their frames made in China. It's a very well made frame though.
Well, these frames look nearly identical as do the swingarms... And the plastic mounting holes are in the identical locations too. We will see...
Ktm isn’t made in Austria
It’s 51% owned by bajaj motors
The remaining shares is majority China
Tons of Chinese components
Ktm is Austrian by name and engineering only
I don’t like ktm , I’ve owned a few and will nEver again, but saying that the ktm surely will be better built than the Chinese knockoff
Yeah…. But not really. My 1190 and 950
Are all Austrian. The quality difference between those two and my Indian made 390’s are striking.
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The 690 is all cf moto, not sure what percentage yours is but when dealing with a company like Pierre mobility you never know what you’re going to get
Saying that not all Chinese is junk , since their partnership with cf moto in 2013 they’ve gotten better and the current failures on two strokes where the motors are grenading in the first hour are the engines with cylinder marked elcko ( Austria ) the cylinders marked kymco ( Taiwan ) are holding up better, their Chinese knock off vertex pistons are turning to crumble bs the genuine Italian vertex brand pistons are just as good as they’ve always been
if you dont have the money to buy a real dirtbike, stick to bowling.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
um the bike is not chinese is american
Really? Do explain please.
I thought they were American
Kayo came to the USA in 2018 from what I have been told. Imported into the USA that is... Texas specifically. Check out this timeline: www.ridekayo.com/kayo-history
id rather buy a used bike before i spend that much for anything from china
Thank you for your feedback.
Very hard for me to buy communist China rather buy Suzuki Yamaha Honda ktm any of the other brands even if it’s more $$
I agree... common thought too.
why do they copy europes ugliest dirtbikes like ktms?
If they made a kdx200 type bike and street legal it would be lots better accepted.
Maybe!
@@manybikes ive been a honda guy all my life but i have to admit that the kdx200 pushes all the right buttons (for trail)
Nice!
Well i was going to get the kayo i csnt afford the ktm you jist lost a costumer
Lost a customer, why?
@manybikes in the video you talk good about them then by the way you answered people's questions I'm guessing you don't like them
@@James-yc5qe Interesting… they are good bikes for the price.
the Kayo is made in Texas btw
The IMPORTER is in Texas. They are Chinese made.
Looks can be deceiving and you’ll wish you paid more for a quality bike when your laying in your hospital bed wondering how the front forks broke in half or handlebars snapped in two. Don’t think that you can get quality at a low price from China and don’t think that you’ll be able to get parts. Boycott this crap at every opportunity!
I totally feel you. I DO think the scenario you are presenting could happen to me the way I typically push my bikes... That being said, my neighbors would have ZERO chance of out riding this bike. Typically the chinese made stuff is less quality and isn't worth a darn... but there is the guy who can an never will be able to afford the "name brand" item. Two sides to every coin I suppose...
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Kyle, I love your reviews and putting the time here. Just being honest and transparent....you seem to sway to whatever the response is. This hard core statement of agreeing to typical garbage China product and boycott etc etc etc. In other statements you are agreeing this build feels much better than what you would expect and taking the history of the build and being around since 2003, hearing folks speak of the quality and no issues after a few years etc. So much around this. For many people, they are not hardcore mx riders. There is no right answer or decision here, there are many variables. But I think it is a safe statement to say for the money, 1/2 the cost of the better KTM and Japanese bikes, the Kayo K6 R/EFI are a decent bike for the money for how most people will use this bike. It is a great option for people wanting to get into dirt bike riding for a fraction of the cost of the competitors. The current Kayo K6 EFI is hard to go wrong for the money in my opinion. It really matters how people manage the bike and take care of it. Is it for hardcore KTM mx enthusiasts....No. It's not about not being able to afford a KTM, it's about not needing to spend twice the amount of money for having fun on the trails. And that is backed by proving this bike is more than the typical crap China pumps out. All good. Thanks for the discussion board Kyle!
@@kayaker299 thanks Chuck! Not swaying … but I do fully understand both sides of the coin. Look at CFMoto… they are now making KTM and Harley motorcycles! They are the best “ Hyundai” or “Kia” in the motorcycle space. $2k difference in price is that with a name brand with an established dealer network?! How often do you ride? How hard do you ride? All questions that the answer would dictate which way I’d recommend…