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Why Metal Gear Solid 5 is Disappointing
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- čas přidán 20. 09. 2015
- The only one going nuclear here, is me. (This critique contains spoilers for the entire Metal Gear Series. All MGSV spoilers are between 10:29 and 13:20).
/ thegamingbrit
/ thegamingbritshow
For some of you baby geniuses jumping to conclusions: Huey needs to be alive for Metal Gear Solid 2 because he's a pivotal plot point in Otacon and Emma's backstory. His death is already explained in that game!
Some of you guys need to play these games first before trying to imply I don't know the difference between Huey and Hal.
Its almost like the people who try to go against you haven't played a metal gear game!
+TheGamingBritShow Except you also keep forgetting that Kojima himself mentioned that he was going to retcon a lot of content in this game.
It's obvious that this game wasn't meant to be a finale, even before he was fired, it was meant as a continuation.
So would you stop insulting people who just want to have a conversation about this series that they cared for?
You'd be surprised how many more viewers you'd get just by showing some restraint to your own opinions.
+TheGamingBritShow The gameplay in this game, the mechanics, are awesome! But after chapter 1, the game goes to hell. The story and characters are crap. And I hate it when a game makes me repeat missions and bosses! That is a cheap scam. Great review, BritShow.
+TheGamingBritShow I can relate to some of the stuff you say, but as to the matter of Huey, he was exiled, he could have made it back to the USA, and even if he died, Meryl could die in metal gear solid and she appeared in an important part of metal gear solid 4.
Even though that, I respect your opinion you are in every right to be dissapointed, even so, one has to admit that the game did a lot of things right... even if the ending is shit without the dvd that explains wtf happened to Eli... sorry for any grammar error, I am not from an english speaking country.
Jeisson Leonardo
I don't understand by what you mean by scam. You do know the creator and the team behind the game were fired before it was completed, right?
dude don't let the amount of dislikes on this video disturb you. everything you said is what you believed was wrong with mgs 5 and i agree with your criticism 99.9%(sorry i love Peace Walker, it's my favorite game in the series just because of the characters and i did like quiets character because some of her actions in the helicopter remind me of the goofiness of other mgs games and she also reminds me that this is a mgs game and not far cry 5.)
+Erik Ravenclaw there just fanboys that don't want to accept mgs ended like this
+xxxxMrGRIMxxxx Actually I think it's the new MGS fans, the ones who have only played the Phantom Pain that see no problems with it. For someone to have played other MGS games and to not hold a single criticism of the game are simply in denial. I liked the core gameplay but its tone was very different to previous instalments and it's clear the game was never finished and was severely effected by the Konami vs Kojima issue.
+shikenkanbaby
the game isn't finished and to make it longer they just add loading screens, unskipable helicopter rides,and a long and baron travel to each outpost. hell they even deploy you farther from your objective to pad out the game! i really can't see how konami put so much money into the game. like did 90% of the budget go to keither sutherland cuz it definitely wasn't worth it...I'M SERIOUS IS THIS FAR CRY 5????(oh wait at least far cry can make a good villian.)
playing this just makes me want a mgs bundle for this gen of consoles(which i don't see happening but considering that they made 2 the last gen, it's still a possibility.)
Erik Ravenclaw Dust off your PS2 and with its PS1 backwards comparability you'll be able to remember the good times ha ha. The helicopter rides were very frustrating as they appeared every time you loaded into a map. I actually avoided them and tried to complete as many side-ops on the map as possible to save time and GMP. Which clearly indicates a problem.
lol dude i'm playing assassins creed syndicate and it did the whole "manage your own army" thing 10 times better than TPP
first they actually have you working with people who have a personality. second when you buy something can use it right then and there instead of wait on the "development time"(yes peace walker had the same mechanic but it didn't feel like something that was leading to a microtransaction.) the missions are usually not to far away and even if they are theres a bunch of stuff that you can do inbetween the travel there. they let you fast travel without having to go to a certain location to fast travel. oh and you can play as the character they marketed to you 5 minutes into the game instead of crawling on the freaking floor for 1 hour!and they fixed the amount of time it takes to climb high buildings with a grappling hook. Basically they don't waste your time.
Assasins creed made a better open world stealth action game than the MGS franchise?
IS THIS REAL LIFE?!?!?!
Oh yeah and did i mention the main characters ACTUALLY HAVE A FUCKING PERSONALITY!
Revengeance is more true to the Metal Gear formula than Phantom Pain. Quirky boss squad, epic final boss, tuxedo unlock post game, diverse support team, and its way more epic gameplay than the trailers indicate
+Sjono MGR has better pacing than every other Metal Gear as well - albeit probably cause it is short as hell.
+Sjono I fucking loved Revengeance, i even got to finish the game on the highest difficulty and it was worth every moment.
Revengance felt a little too out of rhythm imo
+Sjono There is an unlockable tuxedo in V.
"Tactical Espionage"
lol. "Why am I collecting heroism points in a game about being Big Boss?" Excellent question!
He's a hero in the eyes of others. An example like Sniper wolf where she talked about him like a hero.
@@josephmoore9706 Sniper wolf, a boss fight you can tackle a numerous amount of ways, including a first person drone like rocket missle.
Meanwhile in MGSV if you ain't tranqing guys your base don't grow, I always run tranq personally in MGS games and it still grew tedious doing it.
@@CheefChaos not true at fucking all man. how did you take down quiet?
@@CheefChaos idk I used rubber guns and could still go around killing the Angola lads with real boomsticks
Because... He is the protagonist of the game... ??? 🥴🤷🏾♂️
"At least it can't be as bad as The Phantom Pain."
Oh, you've got a way to fall...
Only Survive was waaaay better. I'm sure you never played it but just jump on the bandwagon 🤷♂️
@@perfect.stealth Survive did have some good things, but also a lot of bad things as well. The constant grind for food/water/air and only being able to save at camp made the game a pain in the ass sometimes.
I liked The Panthom pain. No matter how much youtubers complain about it i simply cant dislike it, loved playing that game.
Except metal gear survive is better than TPP, it's a low budget game and if it had TPP budget it would have been even more better. Also TPP is the first Metal gear solid that have microtransactions........
@Игорь Чернышов It's not hard seeing how shitty TPP, it's the stain of the metal gear solid series. It's more COD than MGS and it's too damn easy because there is no difficulty settings....... MGV (Metal gear survive) have a hard start at least, make you exploe the map, no 1 hour fucking long scripted intro, no repeat of the same mission with a small change, survival mechanics (hunger, thirst, injuries), and mostly CO-OP. Even GZ is better than TPP and at least it got a hard difficulty setting.
I partially agree with you.. Partially..story-wise, its lackluster.. Out of all the metal gear games, mgsV is the least storydriven of all of them..but Mgs V TPP is definitely the best, gameplay wise..
Completely disagree. They removed A LOT of mechanics from MGS 4, other mechanics survived but was completely simplified(playing dead for example), and even Ground Zeroes did some things better than The Phantom Pain. Reflex mode has absolutely no place in the game and the same level of depth that's expected from a Kojima game isn't as apparent in TPP. Compared to other games, TPP is definitely top notch, but the bar has been set way too high by Kojima himself so I'd be lying if I said it wasn't disappointing.
+Sir Gildo Reflex mode is extremely important due to all of the angles from which the player can be spotted from.
+Aaron Burch and yet I've played the whole game without reflex mode. It's completely unnecessary.
Sir Gildo I'm pretty sure you can beat Devil May Cry without Devil Trigger too, doesn't make it not important.
+Aaron Burch it still makes it unnecessary though :P I'm not too familiar with Devil Trigger, but reflex mode simply goes against what past MGS games have done. For the first time in MGS you are actually rewarded for getting caught. Whereas before you can automatically lose the game if you get caught, depending on the difficulty, now you get a good 10 or so seconds to kill the ten or so people that saw you before they can alert their comrades to your shenanigans. I'm not gonna stop people from using it, and I may even turn it on in a future playthrough, just to see how much I can do in that timeframe, but it should have no place in MGS especially by default.
Fuck, even Metal Gear Rising had an absolutely fantastic final boss...
+Thenextworldwar Rising was more like a Metal Gear game as a whole than Phantom Pain.
- Codec conversations
- A speaking protagonist
- A great soundtrack
- Health that doesn't regenerate
- Cheesy, over-the-top boss fights
- Ludicrously expositive villains
- Philosophical rambling mixed in with silly banter
Yep, sounds like a Metal Gear game.
Metal Gear Rising had amazing boss battles in general
STANDING HERE
I REALIZE
One thing I never liked about MGSV (and Peace Walker) is how the game is mission-based. I'm speaking specifically about the fact that the way you progress through it is by selecting a mission off of a list of missions and then flying over the the start zone. I feel like one of the reasons the previous MGS games felt tight in terms of narrative wasn't only due to the abundance of cutscenes, but because of the fact that you initially set out to do something and then the game just... took off from there. Having to fly to and from Mother Base really took me out of the story. It didn't engage me.
Peace Walker had the excuse of being on the PSP. The mentality was since it was mission based and portable, people could finish a mission while on the bus or on the subway train (or any vehicular transportation). It also helped since the maps in Peace Walker were bite sized, so it helps that the missions with missions if they are shorter than others. I can’t give that excuse to V though.
Also Peace Walker is definitively the best Metal Gear game since you get to fight Monster Hunter Bosses.
It was mission based in peace walker, but it had the MGS DNA in it as the main missions would pick up from where the last left off and would all take place on the same map in Costa Rica, like a shadow Moses, or a big shell.
MGSV is when everything became disconnected between the missions and messed everything up.
Peacewalker and this are meant to be taken in bursts, so the mission structure makes more sense as it gives you more stopping points
All they needed to do to solve that problem is having BB being the only playable character in the story missions, and the MB soldiers for the optional missions. This way you can easily explain the main story being one fully linear experience while whatever happen in MB and in the optional missions being in parallel, done by MB soldiers.
I think including the civil war mechanic from Act 1 of MGS4 would of made the open worlds way more enjoyable. Imagine Afghan Rebel outposts and Soviet outposts, along with being able to befriend and help out the rebels in firefights/side ops.
Ya the game had so much potential but they pushed it out too early. Honestly even if they gave Kojima more time and budget Idk if it would of turned out any better. All the grindy peace walker mechanics where all leading to this then you add a open world which usually tend to be grindy because it takes alot of time and money to bring a world to life. I think kojima kind of started to lose his way to peace walker like I like that game a lot but mostly for the narrative I didn't like all the mother base stuff it's a waste of time also I don't care for sponge bosses they are very uncreative compared to the rest of the series.
some leaks says that the reason why the open world is so flat is the ps3 hardware, konami wanted more sales, kojima and his team wanted it to be a next game, a ps4 game, in order to put STUFF on screen, the game is always so empty if you think about it, motherbase is a joke too, it could have been a war game with a lot of dynamic events, the stuff and space to make it possible is all there, all the vehicles immaginable and gadgets, its a mega sandbox that is so underused.
*would've
This. I was genuinely disappointed this wasn't in the game, I remember there's a mission early on where Kaz straight up says there are Mujahedeen in the area attacking a base and there just weren't
For me, MGSV's core gameplay - the sneaking and infiltration - are the best the series has ever had. There was plenty to experiment with, and it made up the vast majority of the gameplay, even if it had to reuse a lot of content to do it.
It's just that everything else is weaker. Which is a huge shame.
+Roberto Matesanz its not a small thing! The gameplay is the most important thing about a game! It used to be everything until the late 90s..
+Roberto Matesanz but you've still been playing everyday so this game did enough right to keep you playing.
The presentation was the best so far in the series. The story's it self and it's pacing wasn't great but that has nothing to do with presentation. The MGS story line was never even that great imo. There are so many retcons and cringe worthy lines through out every game. What made the story interesting, at least for me, were the characters. Even then solid snake wasn't that original. He's based off of Kurt Russel from escape from New York and I believe Big Boss was based off of Sean Connery.
+ShayMay The variety in the gameplay was excellent.
+Preston Washington actually ,originally , snake was based off of a future war Kyle Reese from terminator..
13:21 "Is that why Kojima's name's not on the cover?" *shows image of cover, with Kojima's name right at the top*
Silly boy.
It's big brain time
Of course it is. He shoves his name down your throat every time you start a mission in this game because he’s a ridiculous narcissist
@@billymanziel5666 I bet your one of those people who thinks vaccine causes autism
@@billymanziel5666 No, but idk how to take you serious, if you think Hideo Kojima is a narcissist. Your just making a dumb theory with no evidence. Putting his name in the game?! How dare he! Imagine being proud of your own work.
MGS5 purely exists to state that the big boss you kill is MG1 87' was Venom Snake
Could they have let us know from the beginning or play as both real and fake big boss
@@izaakdamon1979 in ground zeroes u play as da real big boss
@@Zinc_Nitrogen well spotted sherlock!! You should be an FBI detective with that solving skills!
@@izaakdamon1979 well it is an obvious answer but I can't tell if you mean beginning of mgsv or just phantom pain
@@Zinc_Nitrogen isn't it obvious!
The moment Kojima dropped David Hayter, the man who gave up half his salary to have the rest of the voice actors star on Twin Snakes, as the voice actor for Snake was the moment I knew MGS 5 wasn't going to be anything special.
It's all because of konami
man you have not even played mgsv, there is a reason why venom is not Hayter
@@laszlopeterbalazs8040 ground zeroes is the real snake and you have scenes with the real snake in tpp so what you’re has not justification.
@@big_boss915 no, it was because Kojima wanted to make friends with a famous actor. He was inviting Hollywood actors to voice snake since mgs3 but all of them rejected him
@@gondalfonsin5206 it would kinda blow it if they had different voice actors
I still feel like it would have been better if it took a Hitman structure. A really open level instead of an open world.
t850terminator How about just both.
Fuck all of you. MGS3 structure is where it's at.
I say they should've gone for a Ground Zeroes style and just have you infiltrate different bases that are tied to specific missions and sideops.
I was honestly expecting Ground Zeroes levels. Decent size, not open world.
It's just sad that Ground Zeroes layed the groundwork for TPP perfectly. And then they threw it all overboard.
Don't let all the dislikes get you down. I don't see how this is the weakest review so far, when a lot of official reviews that get praised don't actually explain anything about why something is good or bad. Your review at least did. But I'd have to say that games like MGS2 aren't *that* amazing gameplay-wise, never were.
Anyway, there is no story, it's just setpiece after setpiece of uninteresting crap, with a bunch of cassette tapes explaining historical events that are frankly irrelevant to the plot. Some tapes do explain story-related things, but there's just no interaction between characters, and the amount of superfluous and dry info is astounding. Playing cassette tapes while sneaking is just distracting... and it's no fun to be stuck listening to a tape in a menu, with no interesting visuals. There is no character development, and like you said, Ocelot is not Ocelot. I don't have any reason to like the characters, because they don't truly bond with Snake. They're one-dimensional and not likable. It's hard to find the right words for this.
I'm not sure exactly why, but I don't enjoy the gameplay much either. I know I said old MGSes weren't epically amazing, but this is much worse. It's better from a technical standpoint, but there's so much freedom, there's no way to fuck up, there's no challenge of any kind. That means you don't have to experiment with gear either. And there's no way to really plan anything because most likely there's an enemy hidden behind a wall somewhere anyway... turning the game into some on-the-fly action shit.
It feels like there's no atmosphere anywhere. There are no tactics involved, all you need to do is walk somewhere where there's few enemies, take down the one or two that are there, go extract/kill a target, go back the way you came, extract. And you repeat that in almost every mission. Maybe the problem is that there is no real 'level design'... each level plays the same. Many of the things you can do aren't fun and serve exactly the same purpose.
The game's just... meh.
+Chameleonard "...there is no real 'level design..." That's exactly it. The gameplay mechanics are probably the best they've ever been but it all falls flat because there really isn't an environment to explore them in. Once you've played the game for a few hours, you've practically played the whole game.
Yeah. Anyway, it's hard to explain it all. It just feels like that's exactly why open world games are so hard to criticize sometimes: because there's no clearly definable gameplay, and the story is often broken up so much that it becomes hard to even remember what it was about, and so on. It's like game developers know that the more open-world it is, the harder it is to quantify and qualify.
+William Selbach True. Do we even have a stake in anything that happens in the game? It just feels like all the missions you do have no real goal, and even if they do, why care about the goal if the characters don't make it interesting? I feel no need to replay the game, which is sad.
+Chameleonard GTA V has the same effect on me....Technically the game is constantly jaw-dropping incredible...but it bored me pretty quickly for the size of it.
+Paul Taylor
At least GTA:V changed the formula with heists. Sadly, they never added more (which it needed).
This game didn’t only miss the final chapter, but there are so many game elements that are missing and you can see the incomplete work when you play it
It is sad that it ended this way
Yeah, I felt that the story was really bad but that was alright because the gameplay was really engaging. Personally, I quite enjoyed the admin element of managing the base but, as you say, it’s clearly unfinished and that’s what disappoints.
@@alanthe2 too bad I am quiet sure that this game needed a year more in the making, so many unfinished ideas, all I have to say is why are we still here 😫😂
@UCck67bqYxo1qhEHoLVqywzA not only one mission Its also missing boss fights and more
@@mr.b1613 still hurts till today I can’t believe that the final instalment of mgs was released like this this game has a special place to me especially that it was set in the 80s
@@mr.b1613 exactly, chapter 2 felt like it was put together with duct tape especially when you compare it to the opening which was some of the best action in a video game but thanks to konami thats all what we will get 😞
I think the game itself was great in terms of gameplay and graphics... but the story was very disappointing and the whole game just felt incomplete.
Exactly. It's the best metal gear regarding gameplay for me, but the worst story wise.
I agree and people who say the gameplay is bad I physically cringe at, it is so fun gameplay wise.
Tightmedusa4 Xbox Live It’s good until it starts getting super repetitive around the second half of the game, I mean seriously nobody thinks mine clearing 13 is that good
@@Barbeta13 The gameplay is only better if you disregard how the previous games were, it has almost nothing to it that makes it play like a MGS game, no "LIFE" meter, no Stamina/Psyche meter, no need for healing items and no controls specifically designed around making stealth a preferable option.
@@CloneLoli Worse even, for me MGS5 (both of them) doesn't feel like a game anymore. We reach such a complex level of gameplay that the game doesn't feel accessible anymore. To add to the famous 'i want to run in the desert instead of play the objective', I found even worse the 'take an hour observing your objective in every possible angle in the hope of not missing any enemy with your binocular'
Even Hitman, that first games greatly suffered from that understood the problem and made the game more accessible by Blood Money. MGS5 Made it worse
My problem with mgs5 is the pacing. You spend more time calling in choppers and micromanaging recruits, than actually playing missions.
Edit: 600 likes? Wow. And, these dudes in the comments need to go play Devil May Cry 5.
You're just a bleach, get out of here.
dude! phantom cigar...
This is Pequod arriving shortly at the LZ
Use the bloody cigar for chopper extractions.
@@Bauernade In my opinion the automanage button makes the whole system pointless. Why even bother implementing that shit when you give players the (penalty-free) option to skip all of it? Not that it's a fun system to begin with. It's just boring, unnecessary crap. Same goes for the base building. Boring as hell.
MGS5 is in many ways a symbol of what is wrong with gaming today. When are we going back to quality over quantity?
To be fair I don't think there's much of either in this game ha
If it would be more linear, simple story and remove all the doogshit thats just there to waste your time. It might have incredible potential.
to be honest when creators like kojima are incharge then gaming starts turning on their worst side , anyways it's the worst game ever in terms of storyline...! only graphics are cool.
name some games that you think have better quality over mgsv
Graphics without question are incredible, and i played on ps4 not even max settings!!! I truly hope FF15 doesnt turn this way because it looks astonishing too.
Peace Walker is the better Phantom Pain.
A billion times better.
Peace walker just as shit
@@justinhainsworth7726 No, you're wrong. It's not very great, but decent at least. Especially comparing with MGSV.
MetalGearyaTV nah that shit story makes no sense , makes big mistakes when referencing mgs 3
I have my problems with all the post MGS 3 metal gear games, but I definitely agree that peace walker is better than TPP.
even tho I really liked metal gear 5 I can't deny that there is some parts that are very VERY disappointing and frustrating
Even though I don't like phantom pain, I fucking KNOW its going to be better than metal gear survive.
Oh God, that future streaming pile of shit.
What makes you think that?
BuzzBee Because it's nothing but a zombie game with the Metal Gear name slapped on it for the sake of pandering.
I guess Metal Gear Rising is a pile of shit then because it's just a character action game with the Metal Gear name slapped on it for the sake of pandering.
BuzzBee Metal Gear Rising excels because of its gameplay. There is always a chance of a game being good but most half harted zombie games nowadays turn out to be mediocre rip offs (Alone in the Dark Illumination, Infestation, Walking Dead Survival Instinct) of the greats (L4D2, Dead Rising). Also I don't trust konami after all the shit it has done to thoroughly kill its fanbase.
“at least the next Metal Gear Solid won’t be as bad as the Phantom Pain...”
Metal Gear Survive: Hold my beer.
Survive was fun
I don’t know how the Phantom Pain was bad if you are talking about the story then maybe yes but if you are talking about the gameplay then absolutely no . The phantom Pain is probably the greatest game of all time when it comes to gameplay, I had more fun playing TPP more than any MGS game before . People just love to hate .
@@user-xn6oc5sv6o Greatest game of all time? Its MGS in a slightly open world. Gameplay was good but also a novelty as it wore off pretty fast when you realize there isn't actually much to do as the game wasn't finished.
@@IncognitoSprax Did you like survive more than the phantom pain?
@@user-xn6oc5sv6o I agree the gameplay was really good. Probably the most well developed in the series. But the rest of the game was so bad, it degraded the gameplay too
Kinda weird how this video has so many thumbs down. I like MGSV a lot, but what you are saying makes perfect sense. Respect what you are saying, it makes me see the game from a different perspective. This is a positive.
Same. I really love V, but I completely see why someone would think it’s disappointing.
simple. kojima fanboys. they can't wrap around their heads that he is losing touch which is proven by his last 2 games.
@@farlonmuentes6004 I'd argue it's been a steady decline since MGS 3. After he made a name for himself the man disappeared up his own ass. His weird-ass, pretentious bullshittery used to have a point, but now it's like he just does it because it's what he does.
People can still dislike youtubers videos same way people can dislike devs hard work. Why is it such a crime to not like a video
@@farlonmuentes6004 well i did like mgsv
Christ, that's quite a bit of dislikes. I don't remember this video being this divisive.
For real
Kojima kids are late for the party
It has a 91% positive rating on steam so its a very well liked game. I can see how someone shitting on it for 15 minutes straight could result in some dislikes.
A Hill true. I enjoyed the gameplay in the game when I first played it back in 2015: But this game just left me with a phantom pain... not in a good way. I still feel that bad after playing mgs5, and I haven’t played it in a while lol it’s mostly the story that’s disappointing. Gameplay is fine allbeit it can get abit frustrating getting spotted cuz it’s open ended and very different from most mgs games but I still managed to enjoy it abit for my first playthrough gameplay wise.
For some reason mainstream media love it because it's open world and looks nice. Most reviews said something along the lines of 'its a masterpiece and it isn't even finished' which to me sounds ridiculous
"At least it can't be as bad as the Phantom Pain"
Konami Announces MGS Zombies
MG Survive is being made by Konami.
MGSV was made by Kojima.
I'd rather criticize the one made by a capable person than one made by a team of apes.
Who cares about this survive thing? It's only mode-dlc. I would rather say that GTA Online is next GTA than MGS Survive to be next MGS.
If someone wants to have some stupid fun with buddies, what the hell - so be it. I don't care.
Why would a Metal Gear game ever have zombies? It's not like Kojima used zombies in the last gam- Oh, wait...
Idk if that make sence
Shut the fuck up. I bet you don't even know why they did that.
Remember how you told me it was clever as hell what Kojima did in MGS2?
Well consider your frustration over things missing and who you really play as.
Now consider the name of the game. Pretty sure Kojima rused you.
+Action Points I'm gonna come to your house and give you a swirly Mark if you compare this shit to MGS2.
+Action Points MGS2 had a lot of content cut like character, bossfights or setpieces, but IT WAS A COMPLETE GAME!
With a real message and not this little "gg ur Big Boss, here have a cookie"- shit he pulled of in V
+Action Points yeah but see, MGS2's plot twist had a good deal of build up, not to mention it actually had BOSS FIGHTS and an ENDING.
+Action Points So what, the ruse was making a bad game?
+Action Points If a shit story was the point of the game. I want my money back
Why are you booing him. He’s right
They hated him because he was spitting -facts- bullshit.
@ Overhating*
TPP is objectively the worst MGS in the main serie, only overshadowed in terms of being shite by Portable Ops and Peacewalker. It cost Kojima his Konami gig and cost Konami 80 million usd for a half baked game with an unfinished story, and all the casual players lapped it up because muh Kojima, see how well that worked with Death Stranding lol.
@@Grandmaster-Kush Oh no, poor Konami (sarcarsm)
@@sddlol19 It's easy to understand why Kojima got the boot, and he went and did it again but on his own instead.
at least you cared enough to keep playing after killing skull face.... i know i didnt
i got to bored by the open world to get that far...
Just beat Skull Face and move on to another game. Nothing interesting happens after he dies.
Personally I enjoyed the game more after Skull face because the gameplay will become better and more enjoyable once you unlock all the tools and the enemies become stronger. The game is great guys, why the negativity?
@@MK-wv5uw try 100% the game, you'll see why there is alot of negativity
@@luminosity01 I don’t see any issue after complete the game 100%. I still play after 4 years. Can u tell me why after complete 100% game and there will be alot of negativity ?
"At least it can't be as bad as Phantom Pain".
OH BOY I GOT NEWS FOR YOU
i hated the most how the trailer showed snake shooting kids, and youre like wow wtf happens to lead him to this point...then it just turns out youre actually just still 100% the good guy with no faults whatsoever. good stuff kojima.
I really wish this game went with Venom Snake being a violent psycho. It could have led to a cool wake-up moment at the end when you confront Skull Face and he insists he's the hero since you and everyone in MSF and Cipher needed to be stop.
That was the whole point. Kojima loves the concepts of diverted history and misinformation. This one of the most focused themes in the whole mgs series.
"Real heroes aren't as polised as the legend surrounding them."
"As the tales have spread, the truth's been distorted, painted over."
I'm not sure that half of the stuff Diamond Dogs engages in would be considered the activities of "good guys"... (e.g. plundering precious African natural resources to fund your private military; developing a nuke without being part in any sort of international treaties; being just a straight-up, plain old fanatical cult)
@@wdcain1 Venom snake is the legend, Big boss is the man
Venom took children from the war to protect them, Big boss took children to put them in war ( peace walker )
yet you give mgs 2 a pass when the trailers didn't show Raiden.
Mgsv fans are people who never played Metal gear
mgs v is my favorite game of all time ! yes i understand the critics but the reviews on it were mostly in favor , the music , the freedom how to approach the mission, i loved the story very much, and the cut ending.......well i guess kojima wanted us to really feel what it means the phantom pain . and yes........i played all mgs games! ^_*
"Who? ... WHOOOOOOOO?!"
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"people cant hold a different opinion from me on something unless they arent REAL FANS like me!" grow up, dude
@@kabbablabba4073 bro im literally a GOD
@@kabbablabba4073 I'm sorry friend, jokes and memes aside, but I really really think that OP's original statement is objectively true.
MGSV is a great game (mechanically speaking) as long as you evaluate it in a vacuum and not think of it as part of a series comprised of otherwise story-rich, well-paced games.
MGSV is a perfect example of how being a super-fan can diminish your enjoyment of a game.
To me when the series started exploring Big Boss is where it went wrong. You might be in the minority Gaming Brit Show, but I agree with you. Solid Snake is the character I was invested in.
Did you know there was a mission where you see solid snake creeping around motherbase ? There's a door you could go in by intel area , he uses stealth camo and you have to have NVG to track him then a cutscene which was cut. You couldn't actually fight Snake or speak to him obviously but it would have been very cool to see him . Soooo much cut , so sad.
Thanks Chinga. Is there a video you can see this?
I highly doubt that. Snake is 12 years old during the events of this game, he's not gonna be infiltrating Mother Base, he hasn't even met Big Boss yet.
I thought Snake Eater was good, but I'm with you: Solid Snake is the guy I was most invested in and those games to me where the most enjoyable. MGS1 will always be my favourite, regardless of graphical quality it is still the most emotionally moving of them all for me and the most exciting, despite the fact I've played that game 20+ times. Goodbye Snake, goodbye Otacon, we will miss you!
Voted up.
I disliked this video, but I agree with 90% of what you said. The chopper wait scenes, the pacing, the story, the lack of characterization, the Skull fights. A lot of the game isn't what metal gear is.
My problem with this video is your complete apathetic view towards the core gameplay. The gameplay is boring and reptitive because you aren't creative enough to experiment, try new things, new weapons, strategies, and limitations on yourself? I have a blast using new kinds of grenades, weapons, and gadgets when they are available.
You're comment about getting bored can apply to any game.
"DMC 4 bores me, all you do is run around either open spaces, or get into the same fight over and over again trying to boost your style meter to SSS"
I really like the gameplay of MGSV, but what gets me is the story and boss fights. I hated MGS4's bosses but this game actually makes me miss them.
+Envy987001 Good gameplay isnt a goal in itself. Gameplay without some underlying substance is a very boring thing. This game fucking sucks, I'm a MGS fan since 20 years and this fucking piece of shit of a game is horrible.
+k1lkenny Then why are games like Tetris, Wii Sports, Super Mario or Mario Kart some of the most successful games out there? Just because you don't like gameplay without story it doesn't make it bad :)
You can argue MGS5 is a disservice to MGS fans because it strays from the franchise. And I'd completly agree with you. But straying from the franchise doesn't make it a bad game, much less horrible.
Kolvarg
I didn't realise those games had an arch developed for them for over 30 years.. Cause they don't. Maybe that is fine for those games but MG is not that type of game. All games don't have to be the same, but Metal Gear solid (even this one) wasn't meant to be a game just for gameplays sake. Kojima tries to tell a story even in this one, it's just so poorly done.
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The heartless sea scene was the best part about this game, if the entire game had this much heart in it it would have been fantastic.
But besides all that this is still a fantastic game purely because of the gameplay.
***** Sure, but it still invalidates the point you made of "gameplay not being a goal in itself". A game can be great with 0 story.
MGS V didn't do great in the story department, but in the end it was still a good game. Perhaps the worst MGS game, perhaps not even a good MGS game, but still a very good game in the overall industry imo.
It certainly did not deliver in giving an "end" to the franchise as some were expecting. But in the end it still lets you live a part of the MGS universe and fills in some blanks. Consider it a spin-off if you must.
I will stand by the fact that the jeep ride with Skullface is one of the most awfully executed moments in any video game I've ever played.
Also, fans of the "gameplay" of Phantom Pain probably are mistaking the game mechanics, which are admittedly great.
But the gameplay itself, as mentioned in the video, are so mundane and awful. 90% of the game is doing random tasks for no story reason at all, and could be in any random action stealth game on the market.
Exactly, thank you. It actually staggers me how many people appear to be completely unable to discern the difference between gameplay mechanics and gameplay content.
Many of the missions have excellent level design, pacing, and scripts, but you can easily fuck it up by playing a certain way. I maintain, that when played as intended, this game offers some of the most polished gameplay a person could ask for, albeit burried in repetitive types of missions
Those are the same complaints lodged at death stranding. Everyone has their own idea of fun, but Kojima probably wanted this game to be meticulous and repetitive, up until the last levels or so. Some people just didn’t enjoy it
Yet Kojima Productions created MGS5s stealth/action gameplay and game mechanics that reign supreme to this day. Therefore, saying the gameplay/mechanics could be in any old game seems disingenuous, with a lack of appreciation for what the devs accomplished.
I love every MGS title and understand this games' divisiveness within the community. However, I'm glad they ditched the hours long cutscenes and codec calls interrupting gameplay. The main focus was the gameplay, and imo they nailed it almost perfectly. I would have loved to have seen some more linear designed levels thrown into the mix though. Overall, it is my favorite MGS game for many of the reasons people dislike it. It's one of my favorite games ever made!
Three words: Mission 45
An open world and metal gear dont work well together
That are two words...
@@diegomayz8503 It was a hercules reference.
@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 boo
An open world mgs game can work the problem is how poorly executed it was
I agree every word he said. Playing Phantom Pain didn't feel like playing one of those Hedio Kojima's Metal Gear series.
+Kam Majid you can't even spell properly.
+Jacov225 dude.
Jacov I don't know exactly which part you did not understand but if elaborate the paragraph where you have confusions kindly please let me know I would be happy to explain.
+Kam Majid he said "you can't even spell properly".... he did not say "i don't understand, please elaborate".
no mention of confusion, no mention of misrepresentation.
it seems your lack of ability to spell is accompanied by the lack of ability to read!
correct your damn mistake!
Seriously bro. Spells guna be a major issue here now? God damn these grammar nazis. Burn In Hell!!!
It's sad because it feels like Kojima didn't really have any power on the game development. It's just a way of Konami to make money fast and they did but, talking long-term, they fucked themselves up.
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I guess so
+ImPDK Is that why the game has Kojima's name plastered over it like 500 times?
+ImPDK One this game probably sold more then all the others combined ? And i'm not even suprised that might be true.. Sure it missed story, but the gameplay for sure did good, and the game is REALLY good.. Just not a MGS game you expected it to be, but that also attracted players like me.. Who thought MGS4 was one pile of shit, it was not a game.. but a movie, well at least i did..
+Nick Dorland Typical human nature. It's simply not possible to like one thing without calling its immediate predecessor "one pile of shit" is it?
I so far have given this game a 4 out of 10. The whole MGS series is brilliant, but MGS5 was the only one that was poorly made and it sucked in many areas. I didn't feel that MGS spark like i did with the others. The game itself felt more like copy and paste. I didn't like the fact you couldn't carry all your weapons and create chaos like you could in the previous ones. Specially now that you have to pay GMP with the bandanna etc.
The missions where not always that enjoyable, specially the 2nd part of the game, i mean seriously, the same mission, just a little updated with the difficulty. They should have given us something else. I felt ripped off most of the time because i just felt like i was doing the same thing.
The buddies are ok, i've never used D-Walker, i don't really use Quiet that much anymore, most of the missions, it was me and D-Dog.
Online FOB's are beyond shit. If you happen to build one and you don't play the game that much, expect someone to steal everything or kill your men. Konami should have a permanent insurance on your base so if you do end up being attacked and you happen to lose which i've lost a few, everything you had i.e men, resources etc wont be lost, they take a copy of what you had and if any of your men where killed, instead of you actually losing them, they should be sent to sick bay to recover.
Another thing i didn't like is that if you want all the good weapons etc, you pretty much need FOB's to get to level 100, specially if you want the extra benefits under the S rank on certain platforms like medical and R&D.
It would have been nice to have civilians on the map, that way if you see them being abused by the Russians etc, you could help them out like you get in Farcry 4 from time to time.
I still play the game, i want to get all the trophies, after that, i will sell it. I got all S ranks on the missions, but so far, it gets very boring these days D:. MGS3 is my number 1 game, then MGS4, MGS1, MGS2 and of course, MGS5.
I do hope Kojima is able to make another one, just improved and more enjoyable
MGS Peace Walker had Amazing Graphics for PSP, Good story, Great Cutscene, Great gameplay, Good maps, Simple and Clean Base management, Alot of Mission variety, and Damn good Boss fights, CO-OP mode through almost entire missions, and Most Importantly Portability.
MGSV was DAMN GOOD gameplay gets boring after Copy and Paste missions, Boring story, Empty maps, No CO-OP, Base management was Improved but something is missinng.
YUP, MGSV IS BORING.
Exactly what I thought, thanks for writing this:)
Bosses in peace walker are horrible
Worst part about MGS V is the Clash of Clans style timers to develop things. Why!? Why are these here!? There is literally no reason for these to be here, nor for them to be days long!
Ok, so I get enough engineers in the right departments to be able to develop the weapon. I get enough materials to develop the weapon... And now I have to wait 6 hours? Save for some arbitrarily "special" items, none of the timers will tick down unless the game is open.
When I got to that part where you save the kids, I didn't have the kid-friendly balloon. So I got all the resources to develop the balloon, then went AFK for half an hour. There is absolutely no reason for that to be a thing in *any* game at all.
7:00 the final boss is missing, but you can still feel it should be there.
What you are feeling, you could almost call it...
... a phantom pain
TheTSense ur a legend
Need a dispenser here!
@Cuck Rockafeller We live in a world were it is totally impossible for two people to come up with the same joke.
You could dump 10.000.000 people in front of the same game and ALL of them would have different opinions, not one of them would come to the same conclusion as another unless they had contact.
Are you really telling me this?
I mean isnt the mech from chapter 1 the final boss?
If the game gives you bodily pain, like what PHANTOM PAIN actually means, then you need to step outside and touch some grass.
It is THE worst MGS ever, anyone else saying it is good haven't played the ones before. Gameplay is good or even just okay but the fundemantel thing in a MGS is the story, Yes the story. Broken to a point where I think they should rename this game into "Fulton-Simulator 2015".
+Daniel M. Rename it just Fulton Simulator, same like Goat Simulator, no depth, just some stupid game.
+Daniel M. There were too many people bitching about the long cut scenes. So they got what they asked for. I personally thought MGS cut scenes were by far the best in any video game. And yes, I do think the fulton became a chore.
+Daniel M. The worst? No, I think that still goes to Peace Walker:
"Snake, you wouldn't believe this, but Zadornov just escaped from his cell for the seventh time..."
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So anyone who thinks this game is good you think that they havent played the others? wow. Such idiots these days dissapoint me because of how dumb they are that they dont know the definition of the word OPINION.
+Taylor Sparks I am sorry to ask, but have you even played MGS5 ? If this game was satisfying for you then I don't know what to say. I mean, okay it's your opinion and I respect it honestly, but the game is still garbage and way below MGS standarts.
Any F2P game would have done better.
Not sure why so many dislikes, all are valid points imo. I didn't think any of the missions in MGSV were really memorable. Hell, even 'the ladder sequence' from MGS3 was more memorable than the repetitive extractions of NPC's you'll never see or hear from again. I also hated the idea of a mute snake. They had someone as talented as Kiefer Sutherland and decided to use him mainly for mixtapes most players won't listen to.
MG1- Fake Big boss
MG2- Big Boss
MGS1- Liquid SNake
MGS2- Solidus SNake
MGS3- The Boss
Portable Ops- Gene
MGS4- Liquid Ocelot
Peace Walker- ZEKE or Mammal pod
Rising Revengence - Armstrong
MGSV- ......Tanks?
I don't know why people are saying that the fanboys are going to be mad. In case you didn't notice, they are the ones that are most disappointed with the game.
Fans and fanboys are diferentes things.
Real fans are disappointed. They love the séries, but know that this game is unfinished and has a lot of bad design decisions, gameplay or story wise.
But there are the fanboys, those people that will deffend something no matter what. Like those people that say that this game is not unfinished because it was all intentional, and only smart people can see what Kojima did want to do (the king's clothes) and things like that.
Take a look at the article that Gamesradar did about the game, saying that the game is some kind of a masterpiece of metha language and shit like that, all butthurt because people are disappointed, because they just did want a final boss and things like that. That is something made by a fanboy. LOL
+Batman com Preparo Oooooor opinions. Y'know.
+SuntoryKick im not dissapointed in the least, Kojima is notorious for this kinda crap leaving out part for fans to assume for themselves what happened.It is possible he did leave out the content because or the split with konami. We will never know the truth about the cut content
+David Estep The inference is easy, though. It cost 80 million dollars to develop, and THEN they followed up with a long, expensive-looking ad campaign. They mismanaged their funding hard on this one, and Kojima probably wasn't allowed to do what he wanted with the story as a result.
+SuntoryKick there's been an influx of people since the game was announced that want to appear to be long time fans of the series, but aren't actually familiar enough with it to know why they should be mad. these are the people that defend mgs5.
Personally, I enjoyed the game. I could go on a tirade about why I disagree with you, but I can see your side of the story, and why I can respect your opinion because of it.
This was insightful, thanks for uploading this. :)
+Terra D Serph
Why can't more Phantom Pain defenders be like you?
this game is a horrible metal gear solid game. the story seems pointless, and if konami releases another metal gear im not buying it. But as for a game play itself, it's pretty good.
+Justin Reed Some of his points are strongly based on his taste, so no, not irrefutable, just subjective :)
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The most glaring one is his points on gameplay being "mediocre".
He states it is bad/mediocre, yet his opinion/critique is almost entirely based on the fact that he personally didn't like it and for being open world / different from the other entries in the series.
Kolvarg I believe he mentions the Quarantine Zone end where you _kill off a small chunk of your military by hand_ and says it felt shoehorned in or not emotional.
Personally I disagree with that entirely. But maybe it's because I don't fully disassociate killing humans in a video game with killing humans in real life(not that I've ever done the latter). I thought it tugged at the heart strings quite a bit throughout that scene. Felt really bad about it, too.
Shit, I wasn't even that invested into Quiet, but I definitely felt that wave of depression hit me when I realized she was _never coming back_.
At least, at the time...
I agree with your criticism of the story. But I'm surprised you were so bored by the gameplay. Sure, some moments can seem frustrating when you're struggling, but that was a rare occasion. The game overall wasn't that hard. I always thought most people who've played it agree it's really fun. I guess I assumed it was accepted as a fun incomplete game.
The boredom comes from the game being too easy, not too hard. The game is really easy to cheese with how OP motherbase's supply drop is, making it so it is easy to just spam tranq pistol or sniper and fulton an entire base.
It's 100% true that tranqs and buddies and whatnot are way too efficient, but that doesn't exactly stop you from doing self-imposed challenges to regulate the difficulty yourself, right?@@soccerthepkmnmaster
@soccerthepkmnmaster
all the mgs games are "too easy". Not every game has to be dark souls kid
@@pointlessratrace7525 Yeah. That's a skill issue you have. Might as well be mad at every shooter making headsets instant kills despite having options to shoot somewhere else
@@frogglen6350
Game design is a thing. There is a famous chart for the relationship between player skill and game difficulty.
If the game is too easy, the player feels bored.
Past MGS games can be very easy, but it also has extreme difficulty for those that wants a challenge.
14:20 to say that aged like fine milk is an uderstatment
Eh. Survive couldn't ruin anything vital that MGSV didn't ruin already. Survive sucks, and it's worse in literal terms, but to fans of the series the hardest blow will always be V.
@@thankfullydaniel4212 how? Leslie this is the only major video I can find criticising the Phantom pain this hard and it's heavily disliked. I'll fuckton of people like the Phantom pain but not for its story it has phenomenal game play but this guy just pretends it doesn't the whole time by using footage of running on foot when there's literally a mechthat you can drive at high speeds from one side of the map to the other in less than 3 minutes
@@kylekondit9709 Play the other games. Personally I think MGS3 has way better gameplay, the controls aren't as polished but at least it has actual level design.
@@kylekondit9709 is the mech the d walker?
Survive is far better and coherent and complete game than friggin' PP. It just does not have Dojima label on it, so Dojima fanboys are not gaslighed into thinking it's a masterpiece by default.
Dude you are so right about everything, i thought this game was great for the first few hours, the mechanics are rock solid and a very beautiful game, but man once you hit that point where youre just pretty much re-doing the same type of thing in same areas time and time again, and yes also the open world is not used, its just running from place you need to be with nothing to do in between, very strange design... its almost like those review which gave this 9s and 10s only played for about 6-7 hours, where i could understand people giving such high reviews. Overall not terrible, but a very underwhelming ... 6/10
+youweechube not only that... it's a sneaking game in a giant world with essentially no cover outside of settlements. just ZZZZ, fulton, repeat.
I agree with your points. But here's the sad thing about video games. They're repetitive. You do the exact same things in every game. Whether it be Mario, whether it be Call of Duty, whether it be final fantasy, whether it be MGS. I think the story is underwhelming, but it is better than MGS 2 and peacewalker. I give it an 8/10.
I do appreciate the different landing zones; because you can create a pattern so you can fi bush more missions. But yeah, my biggest complaints were a lack of interesting boss fights and the open world not being utilized more.
p.a.p.a. KO yeah many games have repetitive gameplay, i think what makes the difference is a good story or good set pieces to carry that along, this was lacking in this game
had Hideo Kojima not left, this story would have been better. so the story is lacking. But i thought the set pieces were fun. Like The beginning of the game, Running and hiding from the metal gear, sniper battle with quiet, and fighting child soldiers. BUT.... i wish there was more set pieces like that. Also, this guy completely misses the point that what you are doing in this game has purpose. That its about how Outer Heaven was established, the place where Solid Snake had his first mission.
14:20 if only you knew...
Metal Gear Survive is gonna be cancer.
masssive aids for all humanity
aaand my comment is gone.... (probably deleted)
+jet pectyl I have not deleted any comments.
It's just multiplayer-mode-dlc to the phantom pain. Who cares? MGS2 had skating mode and nobody cared...
MGS Survive isn't new MGS.
Its really funny how mgs 5 from 2015 has better gameplay than every ps5 game. 😅
Tell me how
Play the game maybe? @@ghosts14_2
There are ps5 games?
Most accurate review of this game I've ever seen and heard. Good job bro.
I agree too Im just playing now almost end. It feels very repetitive and boring. Like everything he says in the video
This review is...so Shallow, it's making me vomit. What shallow reviewers from the west don't get that, is that the games can be deep! Holy shit! Who the fuck knew?! Seriously, this is a stupid, dopamine-driven review that doesn't explain why Hideo made this game the way it is. Also, the game IS complete!
Metal Gear Solid games were anti-war propaganda. The philosophy wasn't in the narrative, but in the mechanics. Don't you feel something when you send your soldiers to missions for resources? Don't you feel anything when you send them, sometimes knowing, that they will die?! This demoralization of Westerners made you all just brainless idiots that want good action that has some sense, what a bunch of bullshit. Watch Michael Saba on youtube and his explanation of the game, not this clown.
Bylov6812 okay boomer
@@Bylov6812 Buddy. MGSV is a great game with excellent gameplay loop. However, it is probably the worst MGS cannon game in a narrative perspective.
"at least it can't be as bad as the phantom pain" boy was he wrong
Benny Brack Hooo boy xD
so Dan S you think metal gear survival is far better than phantom pain.
Dan S lol so you didn't play that zombie game with mgs name on it?
Dan S what about Survival and Rising?
Gabriel Victor survive is the worst. Rising is still ok whatever
The like-dislike ratio says it all about the overly sensitive fanboys
+Racist Bassist Yeah! Fuck them for having their own opinions just like the colored people they are. *Ba-dum bum bum bum bum bum dum...*
+Racist Bassist Actually, the MG fans are the ones who liked this video, its the new players to the series who disliked.
It seems like the idiot fanboys are the ones who hate the game though.
+Racist Bassist I am not a fanboy of mgs but a good majority of the reasons he says the game was disappointing were retarded
+Racist Bassist i loved mgs like shit im am totally ok to say tpp is fucking shit as hell. The video says it all
MGS 4: the fanservice game for hard fans of the series, that wasn´t well recieved but still has the heart of Metal Gear
MGS V: the game that is for critiques to put straight 10 on their reviews, but shits on fans expectations leaving us with a phantom pain of a franchise that should´ve died with Solid Snake
MG Survive: the game that shows us that Konami can´t do shit without Kojima. Instead of remaking previous games with the Fox Engine they decide to do FUCKING PACHINKO SLOT MACHINES AND A "POKE A ZOMBIE WITH A STICK" THE GAME
It's very understandable from a financial standpoint. MGSV had a budgeg of what, 80 million? That's the number that you'd be looking at with a remake of an older title, and Metal Gear isn't the type of brand that will earn you hundreds of millions with a new release, so why bother using all those resources in a costly game, when you can use them on something more profitable? Unfortunately it means that Metal Gear and Metal Gear: Solid Snake will almost certainly never get the remakes that those games definitely deserve.
@@kingnro1 why would it cost that same amount? That makes no sense. If remakes were so expensive we wouldn't have so many.
MGS4 is one of the worst mgs games
100% agree. Not only is there not enough story, but the story is just bad. And the ending ruins the franchise.
Ruins the franchise how? All the ending does is answer the question of how Big Boss came back in Metal Gear 2 when Snake killed him in the original Metal Gear
The Phantom Pain’s story has pretty much zero consequences on future events practically by design
last famous words at the end of the video "at least it can't be as bad as the phantom pain" lol hello metal gear survive...
Peter Walmsley lol
In fairness...nobody considers that a Metal Gear game. Nobody. haha.
Saying that isn't a metal gear game is like saying the prequels aren't a starwars trilogy.
I thought that was a DLC, not a game?
Darksiege357 no metal gear survive is a real game in development
sounds like you're really felling the 'phantom pain'
"You too have known loss, and that loss torments you still. You hope hatred might someday replace the pain, but it never goes away. It makes a man hideous, inside and out. Wouldn't you agree? We both are demons. Our humanity won't return."
-Skull Face
+kabeltelevizio it's fairly straight forward, in short. "we both have *lost* something, for me it's my childhood and my country, for you it's pretty much everything you've worked to create, along with many you've know and loved.
so people like us often chose revenge as that may seem like the most logical course of action, you find something to * hate* weather it be the true cause of your misfortune or not, you'll be willing to do anything to escape the *pain* and helplessness that the loss has caused you. but in the end, even if you get your revenge the very pain you were trying to replace *never goes away*. and instead of everything getting better, because you decide to live only for hatred you be come bitter, it affects your mind, body, and soul.
We both have walked this path, and have become changed by it, and there's no way for us to go back to where we were."
It's not really a new concept, it's basically one of those "we are the same!" moment! that bosses often decide to throw out.
But done in Kojima's trademark often overly dramatic 'cinematic' dialogue, it can take a while to get used to, but I find indirect statements like this to often be a better way of saying it, as you can to a point interpret it your own way.
+kabeltelevizio "..but hatred replacing the pain? That should be the other way around. "
not really, again, the revenge aspect. that can be created hatred. hatred that was not there before.
I hate pulling the 'it's a metaphor card' but that's the only thing that would really explain it.
I finished the game a while ago, so sorry if my quotes are off by a bit.
But I believe he uses language and culture interchangeably. for example, I'm trying to learn Japanese, my native language is English, while leaning another Latin based language would be fairly straight forward, just memorize some words, a bit on syntax and done! Learning a Language from a very different culture is very different.
Not just because of the vastly different alphabet and phonics, but also because the language has quite a bit of the culture ingrained into it, while we just have Mr. Mrs. Sir, etc, they actually have prefixes for people's names based on your social position relative to them, while we'd just use 'Sir' to be respectful to any male, even ones of our same age or younger, they have something called honorifics, where you would never refer to some one you met at a store with the same name suffix as your boss.
While that may not apply to all languages, Language still a powerful thing.
And while I'm not going to claim to be an expert on diplomatic relations in the 80's, I'd imagine more then just English was being taught. that may have been the official report, but it's also possible that they were trying to 'modernize' the places as well, introducing them to technology and other things that were more popular where the English speakers came from.
The culture aspect works really well with the whole "convert a nation to a different tongue" thing, as last I checked most people don't forget their old language when they learn a new one.
so it would make more sense for it to be a culture spread, then a language thing.
So why not just say american culture? Kojima is a troll.
...or maybe he always saw language and culture as one in the same? :-/
anyway, here's the final peace of evidence.
he speaks of a language crisis, or culture crisis.
This is likely because at a very young age when he would be developing his identity, he was exposed to multiple different cultural views "
With each new post, my masters changed, along with the words they made me speak." And with no parents to use as a form of reference. he had no anchor to base for determining who he was. he had nothing to define him, much like snake lost everything after lousing the boss, and mother base.
Hmm, this would actually make an interesting video, I'm gonna have to read into this a little more,
but still keep replying with your thoughts.
+kabeltelevizio "but his method was something someone who hasn't left his room for a decade would invent. "
yes, kojima is no stranger to 'just go with it' in the since department, and yes, future generations may forget the language, and overtime if not used, the speaker may forget some of it, but the whole idea of conversion is to change something from one state to another "from 1 to 0" with just language the person them selves would not change they's be added to, but with culture adjustment, their very live style and customs would change, and I think the main reason he was going after English is because it's the most popular language on the planet (if you count those who speak it as a second language)
He spoke of zero using English to unite the world (under his control) think tower of babel from the Old Testament, Buy destroying English, not only can he stop zero's plan, and kill zero, but he thinks by eliminating the language 'forced' on so many he can make it so we have multiple languages (cultures) again true diversity, by embracing out 'past present and future(?)
he says it's "not an ethnic cleanser, it's a liberator to free the world from zero"
basically he just wants to free the world, you know by killing billions.
The two main things I take from this are,
1. He wants to stop zero's plan
2. he wants 'sans Lingua franca' no language bridge
So I guess it is more about language then culture,
I got more ideas about #2 on the way, but need to do a little more digging, tell me what you think
+kabeltelevizio Turns out Ground zeros had a TON of info on skull face, but I Guess I missed all of it,
check out 'Metal Gear Solid V - Skull Face Origins, Master Plan, & Analysis! (Ground Zeroes)' by YongYea for that.
I spent more time working through the monlogue, and I think I picked up on a few things, in short Zero's plan is the basis of the system from Mgs2,
Controlling the world through words, with information control. skull face plans to break countries a part by first getting rid of the common language, destroying them to a point, but when they seek to rebuild, he will provide each with a metal gear, equalizing their power. in his mind this way no country will have more power or influence then another. And he claims this will bring peace.
He's already taken care of zero, now he sets to rest the world. not to destroy or rule it.
Anyway there's a bit more to it then that, I just finished my video that breaks down the whole monologue if you're interested:
'MGSV: Skull Face's Monologue Explained! [The Power of Words]'
BOBdotEXE hell yeah Im checking your videos out
Honestly I say metal gear solid 4 was way better from Beginning to end and everything was really epic
The problem with mgs v is it feels like a grindy modern open world filled with padding and even mobile game mechanics *Cough Cough* mother base bs. The core gameplay is the best of the series but I think maybe they should of stuck to the roots more with the bosses and maybe made it more of a semi open world with less padding and a more linear feel. The story is also the most important part of these games and they fumbled that bad. Bigger does not mean better we have seen this countless times. I'd rather have a 20 hour game of great content then a 40 to 100 hour game with filler content. People say this game gives more freedom to do things how you want but who cares it's boring as hell. The whole point of the game is to be fun I don't want to have to make my own fun. Most people don't put 400 hours into a game like this and have to skill to do some crazy john wick run. The game feels like torture after 10 hours for me because all these open worlds are poorly designed crap. The older games were much better because they were more linear and focused. They would of been much better off just making bigger linear maps and sticking to the original formula open world doesn't make it better. Mgs V is clearly not even finished Idk why people hype shit like this up it's not that good.
4,330 likes and dislikes? That just goes to show divided people are on this game. Although I have a feeling that many of those who disliked this video only read the title and didn't even bother to listen to any of the points that were made.
+Masked Guy
or newcomer who didn't get his point at all.
+loseho inwmak or just get annoyed but this idiotic bash on the game . ofc it has some bad sides because its not even finished but this video is just a fuckin bash
or a guy like myself who actually really enjoyed the game. we do exist you know
SuperSupermanX1999
I know; I really enjoyed the game too.
I think that this video has so many dislike because it is just whinning and whinning from a little bitch thats all, of course the game has flaws but there isn't a single one that is perfect
Dunno why you have so many dislikes. Your arguments are on point, well-researched, from a long time series fan perspective. RIght in the feels. Oh and that closing statement... bwahahaha!!!
"well researched" what research?
Facts
The actual game.
you can't put research and facts behind "it was disappointing" that's an opinion, an opinion built on more opinions
MGS didn't cut any features it promised to have, this isn't nms
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. The series peaked with MGS3. MGS4 was their last big success.
Idk metal gear rising revengeance, dispite some of the cringy stuff, was really good imo. A bit short but still a good time
@@nikunjshrestha7076 the irony of defending MGS4 while disregarding nostalgia in the same breath
Mgs 4 was a mess. Let's stop pretending like it was a high point.
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466
It was though? Gameplay was engaging and varied, progression felt natural, and the story served as a great ending to the franchise. Frankly, the series should have stopped there, though I do quite enjoy Peace Walker and elements of TPP.
@@bigboi5545 can you really say that mgs 4 was better than mgs 1/2/SE?
The Best Gameplay.
The Worst Story.
Better story than other games of the year, though
nag mgs4 was peak mgs gameplay
@@hoesmad8626 Unless you turn off MGS5 Reflex Mode
@@sasaider3711 So True. And now that I go back to it, I kinda liked the story
This is one of the best playing games I've ever had the disappointment of playing. It felt kind like Destiny, but with a 17 year personal history and hype behind it. And I still clocked almost 200 hours, just because how good the gameplay feels, even though it's not revolutionary or anything.. This is a rare beast, to say the least.
+Zagardal yeah comparisons to Destiny are very good, both have very good gameplay but a lot lacking in the story and characters... Destiny even manages to have a more interesting world than this, I dont know what we`re supposed to be doing in those vast empty spaces between the missions - picking up plants ? thats about it....
The comparison to Destiny is spot on. They suffer from the same problem:
They both are examples of a beautiful and smooth-playing technical masterpiece that is an extreme dissapointment with too much hype and expectation behind them, not too mention this was a result of a blatantly misleading advertisement campaign.
Emiliano Rodriguez to be honest, the destiny taken king was actually really good, was surprised how much i enjoyed it vs the original
youweechube
yeah, I've been hearing that all over, and I'm glad. Destiny really is a weird game in that regard, it's nice to see it's getting on the right track.
Phantom Pain on the other hand is just what it is. With all the crap going on with Konami at the moment, I'm not even gonna wait for another patch, that game is probably wrapped up.
Zagardal yeah theres too many other games, i may go back to the phantom pain at some point if theres a quiet window on game releases. Ive just finished the Witcher 3 DLC which was epic, with a better story imo than the main game !
wow, after watching your video and comparing them with the older games you are absolutely right. Metal gear used to be about story telling and innovation. This is more about game-play for the current generation of teenage gamers. I think back in the day people used to enjoy hard games with meaningful story now ADHD has got such a strong hold on our society that there would be an outrage if the game was at all challenging. Dont get me wrong, I actually enjoyed the game, graphics where nice and i liked the whole "sneaky, sneaky, openworld" but this feels like farcry 3 with a mgs skin. Infact the story of farcry 3 was actually pretty good.
+mstrKracked One last comment though. If you were to forget MGS ever existed and think of this as a stand alone game its very good for the first chapter in a game series as a contender to the other mgs games it almost feels out of place. Oh and the money they spent on this game would have been better spent on a live action mgs film that would be awesome.
you're trying to tell me that Metal Gear Solid 1 with hard? first off these genetically enhanced soldiers can only see five feet in front of them. they will follow your footsteps in circles for hours if you wanted. there's cyborg ninja's. a virus that gives people heart attacks but no not the hero. bad controls especially for shooting but still manageable. it's literally like a six hour long game if you cut out all the cutscenes and codec calls. basically the whole game is about infiltrating 1 base. but now with Metal Gear 5 you get way more so how can you even compare the two?
Well games are actually still completely and utterly brutal if you don't play on the hardest difficulty like the souls series those games are praised and loved a problem with the phantom pain is that it doesn't have harder difficulty settings it just reacts to what you do which is good but a difficulty choice should be in every game
+mstrKracked Can you not use the word ADHD? I have started seeing this word come up a lot with this generation of gamers and it's very annoying because I have adhd. Please look into a study of ADHD.
BtHer0 sorry if I offended you I don't mean it, but this is the internet and just as you can say something is cancerous, ADHD is used to describe the deficit of attention in the game.
14:20 you sure about that bud
I mean mgs5 did introduce that zombie bullshit
Haha konami destroyed the GM franchise by poooping Metal gear survive🤣🤣
Just started MGS V and I was so disappointed. My god how can you mess up a series so badly. The open world style totally doesn’t fit. The farming and collecting aspect is just repetitive and doesn’t add anything to the story. Everything you mentioned was right, especially the lack of story. It’s super sad how they tried to milk the series’ good name and made it into a repetitive, boring, soulless game. If you can even call it game any more. It’s more a farming rinse and repeat simulator executed very poorly.
How can you be disappointed by something you admittedly just started?
@@VogtTD
How? First impressions. One bite of a crappy hamburger is all I need to decide that I don't like it. That same mentality applies to almost everything.
keep in mind that kojima released this game 1/2 finished
i meant konami
woow konami is an ashole
"Konami y u do dis"
~Everyone 2015-2016
Sources??
ever played the game? in the ending of the collectors edition, the game was actually wasn't unfinished. there was ton of stuff that was not put in even a ending scene.
I have played the game and beaten it. The comment was more for OmnYfie.. and considering it grossed over $360m in US dollars or equivalent, from the amount of copies it shipped, that development payed itself nearly 3x over if its true that Kojima went overbudget of the original $80m
You know something? Most of your points are correct. Some, are up for discussion.
However, I truly do NOT believe this game had mediocre gameplay.....FAR from it. You see.....
This game is honestly the biggest and most expansive Metal Gear game out there. I never spent over 100 hours into any single Metal Gear game I've ever played. And I've played all of them. (Including the MSX ones) The open world isn't "Empty and lifeless"........ In Afghanistan, it's full of animals like sheep, bears, mice, zebras, and many more. If you just stay on the main road while roaming the entire game, then of course you won't see any animals and have fun killing/extracting them. I'll admit Africa was sort of lacking the wide variety of animals Afghan had, but it had many beautiful sights (On your first mission there, that area is so pretty in the morning, as well as the waterfall near the mansion) and enemy bases to conquer (The mansion, and other two scattered throughout the map) that more than makes up for it. Also, the game has so many weapons and things to unlock it's crazy. Let's not forget all of the customization options you got for the weapons as well!
I am 500 hours in and only 62% complete. Wanna know what I've done for a good 200 hours or so? Use my imagination. Yeah, you heard me correctly. I never had a Metal Gear game that was so big I could use my imagination for just about any kind of situation. That's one of the key visions Kojima/Konami had for this game. To take full control of Venom Snake, and guide him through his journies as Big Boss prior to Metal Gear 1. In previous entries, the story took more control of you then the gameplay. In this game, it's the reverse way around. And I honestly appreciate it for that. I can't even name all of the fun moments I had playing this game, both during main missions and on free-roam. All the amazing close-calls I had and helicopter/bear fights I've had, it's beyond amazing in terms of scale. In fact, I still do not know the entire map by heart.
I mean, the game puts you into a world where there are endless possibilities. The game tries to capture a sense of realism that I haven't seen in any game, ever. I mean, you are given the option to approach enemy outposts/bases in so many different ways. You could try and make it ultra-realistic, by turning off Reflex mode/Marking and use lower grade weapons, with really good camo on. Or if you have good enough weapons, put all the modes on and breeze through a base. Or even go in there guns blazing, nothing in this game is impossible. That's what I love about it. Also, I don't even mind the whole demon points thing. I actually sort have grown to like it alot. I have two individual saves for normal snake and demon snake to keep it evened out. It might sound dumb, but it's so much funner to go out as Demon Snake and fight bears, or replay old missions with him topless and that big ass horn sticking out of his head.... Riding the furicorn with demon snake is such a badass sight.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is the game is all about forming your own story/recreation of Big Boss. Hence why we have such a huge, expansive game on our hands to do anything we want with. The overall vision of the game is for YOU to make the story out of it. It's given a skeletal structure, with the whole XOF revenge, Two Outbreaks, and ending twists. It heavily relies on YOU to take the challenge, and approach it in your own, special way. To fill the rest. For me, it was a mixture of following the story that was given, and relating my feelings into the game as well. I mean when you had to SPOILERS Kill your own men in the second outbreak END OF SPOILERS, I felt like crying. When I was playing, I lowered my gun so many times and said to myself, "Oh god, no no no", before doing the deed. The ending twist that SPOILERS You are the medic, and serve as Big Boss' phantom END OF SPOILERS didn't annoy me in the slightest. The ending summed up everything I needed to feel. Just like the medic, I may not have been Big Boss, but I experienced/seen Big Boss' missions from MGS3 and so on. And from this game, I experience my own journey since I am both, myself AND Big Boss, and am given a big, expansive world to do anything in. Just knowing that (SPOILERS)Venom Snake is supposed to be ME (End of Spoilers), makes the ending better in a sense. Because it basically means that he felt what I felt, since he's me, and replaying the story missions...... You can see he clearly did. You embarked on your own journey of Revenge, with all of the characters you came to know and love from MGS3 and Peace Walker. You made the calls on more than one occasion, and every now and then Venom Snake took lead and brought you into the right direction.
Sure it may not have been what most people wanted, I am more than pleased with the experience I have had with this game. My story is pretty much over, but I still play to form new stories out of my own imagination... Like for instance, there was a time I just decided to kill everyone and rank up demon points, until I got demon snake. Fastest way to do that is use the motolov on every solder in the "Retake the Platform" mission... Including the prisoners who were your own men. I made Venom Snake dive into madness. The story didn't, I did, and in the end, the game delivered Demon Snake to me for doing those evil deeds. I even developed my own little story for it too, heh. Who cares if it isn't canon? It's still fun. But at the end of the day, that horn does grow out to be Demon size until it finally just comes out. (Whether that happened before MG1 or during it is unclear, it likely happened before)
The game truly does give you a wide, expansive amount of freedom. And that is again, why I love the gameplay aspect of the game so much. I will agree that the story was very, very misleading from what we were advertised in all of the trailers. But at the end of the day, I am happy with what I got. A huge, polished game, full of things to do and endless possibilities. It more than makes up for the small amount of story given. MGSV may not be my favorite Metal Gear game, but it is definitely game of the year for me. And I will continue to play it every day as I have, for a very long time.
+spideyfan300 Yeah, I thought the gameplay was simply amazing. However it didn't change the fact that it got really repetitive for me. And the side-missions were going overkill on the same types of missions.
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+Mighty
Holy shit, "Show More" indeed
+spideyfan300
I agree with every single word. The gameplay in MGS V is some of the most fine tuned I've ever seen in a video game. Everything from mission objectives that don't hold your hand to the weapon balance. I'm a fan of MGS, I started with Twin Snakes back in Gamecube and since then I've played almost all the games and I can safely say that MGS V is my third favorite game in the Metal Gear series.
It's a complete joy to explore Afghanistan and Africa. The freedom is staggering. Like you said, you can either go 100% stealth or guns blazing. And the Reflex Mode is optional for crying out loud!
It also might be one of the more challenging games I've played in recent years. Because of the open world the guard AI is superb and their movement really unpredictable so the tension of stealth is greater than in any MGS game I've played before. For example when I had to sneak to the mansion where the Code Talker was, I was constantly sweatting, being nervous and concentrating on every single guard movement even with DD on my side.
There are couple of missions that felt just bullshittingly hard like Traitor's Caravan, I HATE THAT MISSION, and some missions where there were like 20 guards at one area and Snake needed to find one escaped prisoner under a time limit without being spotted... those moments caused me to scream with anger and frustration, but holy shit the feel of accomplishment when I finally did it.
I don't judge games based on story. Even if it's one of the most story driven game series. I value gameplay over story in any game, so it should be easy enough to understand why I love this game so much. While MGS V is not a Game of the Year for me (that goes for Fallout 4) it's one of the best games I've ever played.
Seriously! So your argument against it being an empty and lifeless boring waste land of a game is that there's the odd animal roaming around to kill! How much fun can you get out of that, about 2mins worth of "haha look at that I just tied a balloon to a sheep look at it fly". Sorry but I didn't spend £50 on a metal gear game to hunt fu*king sheep and mice! This game is terrible and all the pretty graphics and scenery in the world can't disguise that.
You know for years now I thought no one had actually legitimately critiqued the phantom pain and then I complained about it to a friend and he linked me to your video. This game gave me phantom pain man, thanks for actually criticizing the relative waste of time that is MGSV.
Video games in general are a waste of time... if we are being technical here...
@@pokerone6489 I wouldn't say so. In technicality EVERYTHING IS POINTLESS if everything is just gonna die. It's all about the journey, not tue the destination. Videogames can tell a story, give an unforgettable experience and overall can bring happiness.
I remember being disappointed with Peace Walker. I didn't hate it or anything but all the time spent in a menu instead of actually playing the game really turned me off to it. I was hopeful that MGS5 wouldn't continue down that path, but it wasn't just more of the same: it was worse. I have no idea what happened here but I honestly think Kojima got a little full of himself and started throwing every idea he had into MGS5. I never thought it was a good idea to have complete creative control over a project because it means that there's no one around to check your bad ideas. Don't get me wrong, Kojima is a visionary video game maker, but even he can make some bad decisions from time to time.
You can’t you were disappointed with Peace Walker with all the goofy and fun Side Ops you can do. Like fight Monster Hunter bosses and a dinosaur version of Metal Gear Rex.
True I really don't care for the direction peace walker took the series it's too grindy and filled with padding. MGS V made it worse like you said. I actually loved the story in peace walker but I can't say the same for mgs v.
I agree with the most. I mean isn't story what we love most about mgs? And you forgot to mention codec calls.. I missed it so much.
There's codec calls they just play while you're in the game
+Rain But they aren't the traditional codec calls where you see 2 windows of who's speaking. In past games, a good chunk of the story was told through those codec calls. Not to mention, Snake would actually be engaging in the conversation. With MGS5, Snake barely speaks and the traditional codec segments were replaced with the cassette tapes.
+Kanye East There's plenty wrong with the tapes. Most of them don't convey any level of useful info. There's tapes with Miller and Code-Talker talking about fucking hamburgers, for no particular reason than to distract you for 5 minutes. The tapes also make it so that there's little-to-no interaction between characters. Snake is heard speaking in, what, 2 of them? When he already says a total of MAYBE 200 words throughout the game, it's like he became socially retarded after taking that shrapnel to the head.
So yes, the tapes are another giant flaw in this game.
+Kanye East Codec calls were context sensitive, ie they happened when you reached out to your team while doing certain things like using the naked camo in the box. The tapes on the other hand is just a really crappy way to replace cutscenes that never made it into the game. They were not context sensitive but rather just info dumps given out at a horrible pace. They actually bury the real story (not just tidbits and side info) in cassette tapes which should have been cutscenes with characters like zero.
+Rain I wouldnt call what Ocelot "The walking encyclopedia" says as codec calls and there is never anything between Venom and anyone else, it's like they were paying sutherland by the sentence.
Is there some embargo I don't know about. Both you, Hyperbithero and Super Bunnyhop uploaded your MGS 5 videos the same day.
And they're the best reviews of the game so far. What does that tell you about all the universal acclaim this game's received from journalists?
+Turtoi Radu Nope. Just three guys who paid their own money and actually put some time into the game instead of being rushed on easy mode through cushy press events.
+SaberRexZealot Considering their reviews of Mass Effect 3 and DmC: Devil May Cry we can safely say they're out of touch with video games.
+Turtoi Radu They work at the place and became friends.
Alis Zigg Isn't Hyperbithero in the USA Air Force? I know HBH and TGB know each other from Gather Your Party. Super Bunny Hop seems pretty independent though.
As far as i care there are five canon Metal Gear games: Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Metal Gear Rising
As a long time Metal Gear Solid fan, I have to say this video brings out a lot of good points about the shortcomings of MGSV.
In my honest opinion, this was the most forgettable title out of the whole franchise, and the kids who are hating on this video are the ones that aren’t capable of grasping the deeper levels of comprehensive video game story writing, core gameplay mechanics, level pacing, and appreciation for what actually put Metal Gear Solid on the map.
If you enjoyed MGS5, then that’s great! No hate there, but a lot of you need to understand WHY loyal MGS fans(I’m talking about those starting from 1998 MGS for the PS1 to MGS2/3/4 for the PS2&3) would be disappointedly in MGS5.
If you can’t understand why, maybe Metal Gear Solid 3 should’ve been your first game........... then you’ll fucking know why. Or should’ve been Metal Gear Solid 1 as your first perhaps...........once you play those games first and then play MGS5, come back to this video and you’ll see that this video has A LOT OF TRUTHS to it.
But it probably wouldn’t work that way anymore because MGS5 was most likely your first Metal gear solid game, so playing MGS3 afterwards probably would’ve felt more lackluster because it’s a 2004 game that feels “old” “lost with the times”. From reading the comments of the salty, it seems like most of the downvoters are the “I’VE nEvEr PLaYed MeTaL GEAR SOLid NoR HEARd Of THIs SeRiES b4 UNtiL MGs5 Bcuz it NEW and Omergerrd it’s The BEST GaME eVar BuT I doNT CaRe AbOUT tHe olDEr MGS gaMe cuz tHeYre oLdddd aNd OutdaTed ewww. ! FUCK THIS VIDEO FOR TRASHING MGS5 HOW DARE YOUU”
If you’re a true MGS fan, you’d revisit and play the old titles even though they
might feel more lacking in control dynamics because you understand these titles were actually revolutionary during its time.
These are just my opinions.
Best storyline goes to MGS1, MGS3, MGS4, MGS2, then MGS5 in that respective order.
Best gameplay controls goes to MGS3, MGS4, MGS5, MGS2, then MGS1 in that respective order.
I said what I said.
Best storyline: MGS2 >>> MGS1&3 > MGS4 > MGS PW >>> MGS5.
"To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Metal Gear Solid..."
@@dutbud9049 To judge MGSV correctly, you definitely need to know the story of at least 5 (MGS1-4 + PW) previous games (7 with OG 8-bit games) in as much details as possible. Otherwise your opinion is absolutely ignorant and incompetent.
@@MetalGearyaTV You know it's gameplay focused right? Most people don't give a shit about the story, it's pretty mediocre
@@dutbud9049 MGS is iconic mostly because of the story. Think what you want, but it's awesome in early games. And MGSV must be judged by the merits of its story too.
The gameplay in MGSV is ass too. It's third person Far Cry with even more barren and repetitive world and design.
Nailed it. Kojima has a long legacy of horrible story-telling. Great point about not touching on Zero's involvement...they just kind of explain that away by saying XOF was a rogue faction and that Zero lost control of Cipher and went missing anyway...so which is it, Kojima? Is Zero the mastermind and this took place during some kind of weird coup within his organization? If so, then this whole game is just a side-story. All the relationships are untouched...psycho mantis, liquid, they even reference that Volgin could have had some relation to the Man on Fire...but then you never hear anything about it. Skull Face's explanation and back-story in general is just a pathetic waste of what could have been an interesting villain. Thanks for the honest review.
+Sgt SkySyndrome Exactly. I also think that this game adds NOTHING to the series. I mean its pretty obvious all fans wanted to see how big boss went evil. We arent even playing with big boss. I mean the medic..seriously so know all of the sudden all of the heroic feats that could only be done be the legendary soldier can be done by a half assed trained medic? Just horrible. Story wise Kojima/Koname left the series back at peacewalker (regarding big boss back story)
It is more than just the story. The gameplay was bad as well. The series should have been left at Guns of the Patriots since both Peacewalker and Phantom Pain (Ground Zeroes included) don't add anything to the Metal Gear story at all.
I mean a lot of that stuff was cut when Kojima got fired. But the game basically makes it blatantly clear that Big Boss is not a sympathetic character. The graveyard scene in 4 is deepened by the fact that we know that Big Boss has done terrible things and that is the moment he regrets it. It also expands on the idea that Zero "lost control", which was mentioned in 4. It shows that Zero didn't turn evil, but rather tried his best to do what he believed in but lost control of everything and nearly destroyed the world. "He has no idea he nearly brought the world to the brink of destruction". So yeah, it does add to the story; but the cuts affect it deeply.
Ironic you say that when Brit himself loves the series, especially the story-telling from 3 (and yes, I agree with him 100% on this video)
*****
Kojima is JUST as responsible. It was HIS design choices that broke Metal Gear.
Metal Gear doesn't work as open world as proven by Phantom Pain.
Big Boss was never a villain. You have to look at the storyline as a whole. The Boss didn't defect, it was her cover and Naked Snake had to kill her in order to make that story and the events of MGS3 stay secret. That is why he left and rejected the title "Big Boss" and was shown respecting her at the grave because he knew she was a true hero that let herself be branded a traitor to save her country. Portable Ops was just kind of a filler by a third party trying to explain some of the other character connections (like Grey Fox) to Big Boss. Peace Walker explains how Big Boss finally gets closure and takes up the title and starts working toward the world he thought The Boss wanted and to stop Major Zero from destroying it by running a completely different interpretation of what The Boss wanted. MGSV fills in the story of Big Boss and Venom Snake which tells the story of how Venom Snake was the boss in Metal Gear (MSX) and the real Big Boss was the boss in MG: Solid Snake (MSX). That is why you get heroism points because he was never a villain, but rather just a soldier doing what he was trained to do.
Yes, the game is short and repetitive, but I've not had any issue playing it and still enjoy it even knowing how the game plays out and ends. I had more issue with MGS4's ending of making Solid Snake go off to die than I did with the filler of Big Boss going from hero to 'villain' like the Boss had done. I felt they should have made Solid Snake should have broke the cycle by settling down with a woman and walking away from the battles and war instead of having him accept his fate and go off to die due to the FoxDie mutilation done on his body.
+Clayton Weaver "Big Boss was never a villain". Did you play MG2 lad? I can maybe accept that Venom is the nicer guy out of the two war mongers, in and of itself a let down when MGSV was sold as "men become demons the game", but cmon.
"Start a war, fan its flames, create victims... then save them, train them and feed them back on to the battlefield." - Big Boss MG2
+TheGamingBritShow if u actually follow the full story the real big boss, sends in solid snake to kill venom snake, the original Big boss was never a villian. Hence the truth mission in The Phantom Pain. Besides how do u know that's not venom snake's quote huh? Clayton is right 100%
+David Estep The quote is from MG2 from the real Big Boss after Venom is killed in MG1 (it's in the video). Venom is the guy saving child soldiers and stopping Armageddon in MGSV. Big Boss is the guy capturing children and using them for war in MG2.
+Clayton Weaver Why am I seeing so many people pushing this idea that Big Boss wasn't a villain? All you did was outline what happened in the prequel games and used that as a basis as proof as to why Big Boss wasn't a bad guy. Except that's not how it works.
Imagine the original Star Wars with Vader is the villain. Then the prequel trilogy happens that tries to explain how he became the villain, but instead treats him as a hero. Does that mean Vader isn't a villain in the original trilogy? That's the logic you're using.
Big Boss wanted to keep the world in a perpetual state of war. He sparked wars across the globe. Then kidnapped the now orphaned children to raise them as child soldiers, only to feed them back into a state of war. He stole a large part of the energy supply putting the world into an economic crisis. He pitted Solid Snake's best friend against him. I mean for god's sake if it wasn't already obvious enough for you in those games, he brainwashed Venom into thinking he was Big Boss so he could throw him under the bus when things got hot. In what world are you living in that Big Boss is not an evil fascist tyrannical dictator? Those things seem heroic to you?
And that's completely ignoring everything Kojima said about how this game was supposed to address his descent into madness. Straight from the horse's mouth, this game was supposed to showcase Big Boss becoming a villain.
+iReturnV1deotapes Wihat im saying is the truth mission i mgs5 shows there are 2 big bosses Venom"punished" snake and Big boss aka Naked snake. All i was saying is mgs5 shows us that possibly the big boss that is in Metal gear MSX is actually venom snake, it is possible that i am right.
This is the epitome of "I was disappointed at a good but unfinished game not meeting my (understandably) high standards due to the trailers and series so let me spin this as totally awful!" Completely disingenuous. It's disappointing, sure. But acting as if NOTHING is good about it and it's mediocre and awful is downright stupid. It's a good game. Not great or amazing, but good.
"If this was a review, it'd be glowing. But as a critique, its going to be pretty rough." This video to me, atleast is a hit piece of hatred. Its the same cycle with mgs2, people hated it. And now people are starting to love it. Games are always gonna be redeemed.
[Plus I like mgsv:tpp.]
Yeah it seems more like a fanboy upset he didn’t get what he wanted. The game has a lot of flaws but to act like it’s terrible when it has so much content, attention to detail and plays better than games today 8 years later is insane
@@rouge939your are right
"I got tired of repeating myself doing the same mission over and over again. Go here grab this. Carry guy out. Call chopoper and run towards landing area for a while... then leave. "
Yeah :/
@@kiryuuuchan But in the older mgs games especially 3 and 4 there were also a lot of ways to do it and the missions were different and fresh
You mean like dead stranding... 😅
@@kiryuuuchan and yet with all those options it felt kinda boring after a while. i didnt really see any reason to keep playing anymore compared to the other mgs games. v was fun for a while but then it went to meh
@@kiryuuuchan the game is good. But its not a stealth game and the game keep forcing you to be stealth.
Literally, every mission forces you to make repeat the same moves if you want a good grade
But if I want to play the game just for fun, pretending it's not a MGS game, shooting everyone and exploding everything.... It's actually a pretty good game
"At least it can't be as bad as phantom pain" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaahaha!
Yup he was wrong about that one
Oh, trust me.
It will be even worse.
hahahahaha I thought that I hope he survives the trailer
"Survives the trailer."
Ohhhhhhhohoho.
He frikkin' won't. c:
soooo ironic
I picked up my first MGS game at 13 y.o. (MGS2) and fell in love with the MGS series went back played 1, 3, and pretty much bought a PS3 because of mgs4, and and PS4 because of mgs5. This game was such a disappointment to the series. Everything the video talks about is spot on, anyone who truly loves the MGS series understands exactly what he means
@@joeriimpens6034 😂
Fax bro i jus got that game yesterday and its frickin torture tryna play it
Exactly 😢
If they took MGS V and cut it down tremendously, gave Quiet an actual outfit from the start, and cut even MORE of the game out, it COULD be really fantastic. but they'd have to get rid of ALL the filler missions, all the chopper rides and credits sequences, get rid of all the base management stuff, get rid of the open world shoe leather, and just cut it down to maybe to like the 5 best base infiltration missions, and tie them together as one unit. kind of like how ALL PREVIOUS mgs games were, ya know. MGS Ground Zeroes is a TASTE of the masterpiece this could have been but wasn't.
I am playing this game and I am not having fun. The worst thing is the management and the open world, adn the story is on the level of the fanfiction mgs4
But 6 games already did that?
@dennis wright I understand that but my point was Kojima probably wanted to try something different after sticking to the same formula it's a shame the game wasn't complete from a story point of view
@TheGamingBritShow,
I owe you an apology, two years ago I thumb this video down thinking you were bashing the game but now I agree with everything you said about the game.
@Dan S
Its not a bad game but the cons of that game have outweigh the pros
Idk why I find this game to be my favs of the series. Certainly not story wise but everything else makes the game this much fulfilling and actually met with my expectations real Well. The only piece of marketing I have seen was the final trailer for MGSV and it was beautiful almost made me tear up. This game has created a profound feeing in that makes me play it some more. I’m in my 5th playthrough of the game and I still haven’t get the sense of boredom. I played it on my 360 but the frames was just not so friendly so the 60 FPS helped motivate me into getting it for the PS4.
HOPELESS ENTERTAINMENT ps4 you say? hehe im sorry
I just finished it for the first time yesterday and I actually really liked it.
Cinematics were so fucking cool, I felt horrible after mission 43 but yes at the end I kinda feel let down. I wonder were all the money that was put into the developement went or if the story could have been better (even tho i really like it as a mgs newbie and despite the pacing/abrupt ending) if Konami would have let Kojima do the game he really wanted to do.
Guess I'll do the other games and maybe I'll bought a PS3 to play MGS:4
learn english noob
The circle is complete. Literally every important video game commentator has made a MGSV vid today, I swear. You, Superbunnyhop, hyperbithero, Kitetales. I'm not terribly important but I even made one too lol
+LogosSteve Now we wait for Mathew Mattosis
+LogosSteve "important." "video game commentator."
I'm not looking up that Bender clip just for this.
+Alvious He's not doing one on MGSV for a while yet.
+LogosSteve Oh
*****
Thanks, I appreciate it. Stick around, I'm going to do a lot more on Metal Gear and other stuff too.
Why does this have 19 thousands dislikes? I would really like to hear someone justifying this game's story and tedious design.
I think MGSV is a bad finale for the series if you're a diehard fan. But it's a great way to leave off in regards to the game's legacy.
I never touched metal gear except for Revengence when I first played MGSV. I didn't know the story or the characters. But I got completely trapped in the game for weeks because of how fun and engaging the gameplay was. The story was sparse and more of a side dish to the gameplay. But it gave me enough of the metal gear flavor to have me wanting more.
Between the gameplay getting its hooks in me, and the bits of story grabbing my curiosity, I really wanted to play the others and see what I missed.
I normally don't enjoy retro games, but I fell in love with MGS. The gameplay was different but familiar. And the story was the main course. I ended buying a vita solely to play mgs 2, 3, portable ops, and peace walker. It was an incredible experience and now metal gear has a new heart to love on in. That wouldn't have been possible if the final outing was a grand cinematic story that hinged on points from the previous entries. Now those unfamiliar with the game have an easy entry point. And luckily a prequel to help get them ready for a trip back to MGS 1.
As far as stealth games go this is one of the best ever made. So you understand where I'm coming from, I've played thief 2, 2014 thief, dishonored 1 and 2, deus ex, deus ex hr, mankind divided, all the splinter cells, most of the hitmans and every main mgs except for 1. I also typically ghost these games. Yes the story is flawed, but a big part of story are the themes, which this game imo has some of the best themes, and settings for a story in any game I've ever played. The game play is not tedious, in fact it's very dynamic. It's fine as a shooter but if you play it like a stealth game and try to ghost as much as the game allows, meaning no kills or knock outs, then it is very refined. The ai is great, the visuals are great, sound design is great, the controls are great, the progression is great, a lot of different gadgets comparable to a Swiss army knife, meaning items such as the box can be utilized in several different ways. There are a lot of flaws, many of which i didn't see this video address, and tbh this is already too long of response so i wont really go into it, but the lack of interior bases takes a point away from this game for me because there are typically 2 types of stealth games. Outdoor stealth games that focus on distance and camo and close quarter games that focus more on cover and routes. By not including interior environments for the most part, it limits this games potential as a stealth game because it doesn't challenge you in all aspects of the stealth genre. But imo this probably has to do with time constraints and the camera being harder to control in close quarters meaning they tailored this game for the outdoor bases. No game is perfect, I understand it can be annoying when a game gets universal praise because there are fanboys out there who can't take a single criticism of the thing they love, but this game does have a lot of merit. As for your question about the video, i disliked it because he bashed the game too hard. When you go to the extent he went, it discredits you because it comes off as more personal than objective. This was not an objective take on the game. Some of the points he made were also flat out wrong. I personally don't respect people like this youtuber because it takes a lot of money, time, and talent to even produce a game let a lone one of this quality, and it's very immature to have a take on a game like this man does, seeing as he's not the one out there grinding making games. It's like pretentious film critics. It's easy to criticize but very hard to actually contribute the art.
There's actually some people dumb enough to try and justify it lol.
@@jobin140 best stealth game? Hahahahahaha.
Fucking MGS1 had better stealth and smarter A.I. than this shit and it's 20 years older.
@@jobin140 If you like this as a stealth game and you have even played older theifs I have absolutely no idea how to comprehend what you said.
2:49 "Everything you do in this games affected the main story"
Death Stranding: exists
Death Stranding isn't a Metal Gear game though.
Антоний Сергеевич
Wait are you saying MGS was the first strand type game.
Even death stranding had a damn story. Metal Gear solid 5’s was just nothing really. It felt flat.
@@kostasspirou1010 Death Stranding is a Kojima game
Can't believe there are still so many Kojima apologists.
Listen, I respect the man and most of his work, but he's just as much to blame as Konami for the mess that was TPP. Would the game have been better had Konami given Kojima the budget and time he requested? Yes, absolutely. But you have to realize Kojima already had 80 million dollars and 5-6 years of development time on the project, that's something 99% of devs in this world can only _dream_ of.
Would the game have been better had Kojima kept his own ambitions in check and spent the huge amount of money and dev time he was already given in smarter ways? _Also_ yes. Besides, you can't blame Konami for the horrible writing in the game, that would've turned out all the same no matter what, and that's all on Kojima. Face it, the man's writing had been on the decline since Snake Eater, he was slowly but surely becoming the George Lucas of games.
But of course, it's easier to just point fingers at Konami and blame them for everything (don't get me wrong though, they _are_ assholes either way), than acknowledging that someone like Kojima can make mistakes.
Yep, totally agree and would say the same things.
thank you! I see it the same way. kojima had so much time and money and he fucked it up. Look at witcher 3. it was developt in under 5 years and they didn't need so much money like kojima.
I think he spent most of the budget and time on making a entire fucking engine
Ben "The Montana Merchant Mangler" Garrison why though? What did this game benefit from being open world? I would've gladly taken another MGS4 looking game with different linear but open sections if we got something of actual substance.
Redgrave192 Such a well put comment.
I saw mission 51and I no longer respect the game will not be buying any others
I'm kind of glad it's over. I fear for the future of metal gear if they try to make another metal gear.
Dominic Quartetti exactly after this stunt they pulled
+Dominic Quartetti they are already making MGS 6 :/
+Isiac Artison wait....do you mean the other Metal Gears? :O do it! go get every one of them (accept PO and PW lol) espeacially MGS4 ; A;
+Pervy WaterLemon nope
I have had such a complicated relationship with this game. From "This is the best MGS since 3" at release to "This is the worst MGS" a year or so later and dropping the game completely, to picking it up before Death Stranding came out to finish it and realizing it had pretty great gameplay that got padded out way more than it should've with a somewhat bad ending. But I'd still say its worth playing
@Desert Blue I can see why people would hate it, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. Not GOTY tho
How do you feel about Death Stranding? I hear a lot of things about it
@Hell_O7 It's a great game. I only played through it once, but I remember really liking the gameplay loop and the music. The story could get a little wild at times but overall I think it stuck the landing.
Worst decisions in history: Removing David Hayter
Lmao no
The big boss wasn't supposed to sound like solid snake anyways so it makes sense that they replaced him for someone else
@@kingofcali6057 But he is big boss in ground zeroes and still has the same voice actor as venom snake. Is just that Kojima hates David and wanted to be friends with another famous.
@@lillith3159 David was replaced due to story related reasons David was just never called to voice the boss. which makes sense
@@kingofcali6057 that is the worst excuse ever. When are kojima fanboys admit that he is a dick?
"It can't be as bad as phantom pain"
Konami: HOLD MY BEAR.
Ha ha . The same comment thrown around by most idiots in this comment section. Funny enough none of you actually played it. It is a good game and has way better MGS vibe to it than this shit.
Suleiman Boutzamat a game in a stealth franchise that isn’t about stealth, Rather about zombies, has a more metal gear vibe than the stealth game in the stealth franchise? What?
@@perfect.stealth i think youre confusing survive with dead rising
The ending was so anti climatic I didn't even know if I'd finished it. This game is a'lot like the modern RPG in the sense that they scrap decent writing and make it less story driven and give you lots of 'job's' and side quests' like shit. They even scrap decent boss fights which Metal gear is known for. They were some few moments in this game that were 10/10 style game-play but that stuff is watered down to quantity over quality BS. The mission in Ground Zeros was better than most of them in this.
+OwtDaftUK Well, what ending did you play because there are 3 endings (Taking out one ending because it was deleted)
Monzter _ I got to the ending after doing the same first mission again.
(Spoilers) where they talk about how you're not the real big boss?
Monzter _ Aye and then your given a bunch of tapes.
oh well apparently that was the real ending. The deleted one is when Eli goes rogue and takes the metal gear with the virus.
The repetitive gameplay is really what turned me off. Pointless missions that don’t make a coherent sense.
This game lacked metal gear’s soul as well.
MGS4 was the true ending to the series. I really like the concept of Venom Snake, he's my favorite thing to come from MGSV, but everything else from this game seems like it was engineered to piss me off. It's so not-MGS to the highest degree.
Even Peace Walker, with it's somewhat mediocre story at least made me feel something, like I was accomplishing a task with stakes to it.
No it wasn't
@@lukescrew1981 It's been a year, I still find MGS4 to be satisfying but I understand now why Kojima had MGSV be the final game as it finished his meta narrative looping back to the original 1987 game.
12K salty fanboys are still waiting for the other half of the game, that they will never get because Kojima wasted $80 million dollars on God knows what.
80 million on quiet's hot bonding with snake in the rain, TIME/MONEY WELL SPENT!!
Don't know what you're talking about, the game was pretty good and well done if you ask me.
Sheogorath Unearth yeah, I especially loved the empty wasteland of the world, the copy-paste missions, the lack of story and the barebones stealth mechanics.
Hreesto You're going to need to give examples. There were opportunities at every point to interact with things, plenty of ways to infiltrate spaces, and the majority of copy-paste missions were literally just the side-ops.
Sheogorath Unearth Literally every base is basically the same. The world is barren af with nothing to do, the multiple ways of infiltration are literally all overshadowed by the one obvious best way.
Agreed 100% MGS4 was the end of the franchise for me, it was a perfect ending.
It was also a bad game with a bad story. The only good mechanic was the camo suit. Basically the only good thing was the ending scene.
@@sddlol19 wrong.
@@jaysim3253 wrong.
@@Fami_Salami wrong.
@Sparks Nah
MGS5 is one of the best games I've ever played. Unfortunately it will forever be unfinished
How the f is it 'the best'? The world is shallow and dead. Ubisoft games provide more variety in locations and approaches. The story is non-existent and a spit into face to all Metal Gear fans.
What actually ruined it all in my opinion was the Open world setting. It was literally empty, you could only look for herbs and animals to capture.
I would say it was a sad attempt at making an open world game.
Tbe point of the open world was not meant to be explored, it needed to be open world so you could travel to multiple different outposts in a single mission, and allowing different outposts to communicate with the others
@@abcdefgheat1888 I got that. I simply didn't like it.