LEARN NEUTRAL FAST - Tekken 8 Beginner's Guide
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- In this video I go over Neutral, What it is, and how to make sure your opponent has the HARDEST time gaining the advantage! I go over one match in this video and give helpful insights of what im thinking and how im approaching neutral in the game! If you enjoyed this video and found it helpful at all, consider leaving a like and subscribing!
0:00 - Intro
00:32 - pre-requisites
1:55 - analyzing the match
16:19 - Outro - Hry
Thank you for this guide.!! I’ve been having trouble in a neutral game so I am spamming my flowcharts before the opponent gets me 😂😂
Of course! im glad the video has helped you out some! if you ever have questions or need help always feel free to leave a comment! I usually respond pretty quickly and im always down to provide help and insight to anything!:)
I asked a friend what his one piece of advice for climbing is, and he said "take as little risks as possible until you need to gamble for a comeback" and i think that is a crude summary of your video here. Great video, mate.
thanks for the comment! yeah roughly this video is just to help people understand that you dont always need to press when youre up, and how to control your advantage/take advantage back!
Great video as always Averyx! im for sure going to keep this video in mind when im ready to practice neutral, thanks a ton!
Thank you! I'm glad to hear its helping:)
Just found your channel, and it's one of the most in depth, well explained and aware tutorials i've come across. Subscribed and will be looking forward to more videos. Keep up the amazing work
Thanks a ton! I am glad you were able to find things that helped you out in the video! next weeks video is all about getting to purple ranks and my journey there, thanks so much for the support and I hope you continue to find value in my content!
Hella good video and I like how you analyze things! Appreciate it man!
of course, I appreciate it a ton! good luck out there in ranked dude!
sitting at bushin with kaz currently so I went into this video with a closed mind thinking what the hell am I gonna learn from a garyu. pleasantly surprised at just how much you can learn about your neutral, how your opponent reacts to your neutral, and how you and your opponent adapt mid match. I'm gonna start going over my replays with a fine tooth comb now, thanks this is a great vid!
im super glad you were able to find something of use in this video!! yeah I mainly play offline right now because ive been so busy so im finally trying out ranked and wanted to give my experiences from offline and what ive learned about running the gauntlet of ranked haha, thanks for the awesome comment man, good luck in ranked!
A timely video, just made it to Garyu this past Monday, and the neutral game is something that I need to improve upon. Thanks.
of course! my next video will be going over how I got out of red ranks, that might help as well!
helpful tips till the day I own tekken this will be saved in my tips and u got a sub🤞🏾
im going to watch this as if i'm not already high rank and an offline tournament player; and hopefully i learn something - we can all learn something from the simplest of insights! and i am not even expecting this to be simple.
Hopefully you learned a little bit of something! I consulted with a few tournament players as well that I play with to make sure the basis of the video makes as much sense and gives the best information possible, good luck out there in ranked!
@@AveryxFGC i think the idea is really solid and it's a really good video
@@micshaz Thats great to hear, I love making content like this for people, I appreciate the support!
These videos are super informative and as someone with bad internet and who can’t really play with other people these videos help, especially this one❤❤Love this new style where you’re explaining things❤Great video as always❤❤I will be watching this many times❤❤Also how’s the streaming thing👀👀
thanks so much for the support, im glad youre enjoying the content!! I took a backseat on making more relaxed content to make sure I could get the views up on my channel, so most likely next wednesday when my video goes live I will most likely be live the following hour after! as long as things go well and according to my plan for the video haha. Ill have a link in my desc. and ill make a mention of it in the video!
@@AveryxFGC hell yeah!
Like and subscribed. Great video
Hey, after Kazuya's magic 4 counter hit I think ff4 is a better option. It seems to setup better oki. I don't know if you play Kazuya often but figured I'd throw it out there.
hey! I main kazuya so I am aware of this, this was my first game on of the day and I usually substitute db4 instead while im warming up so I dont mess anything up and lose the extra damage haha
I have pirated tekken I want to play ranked so bad 😭
Cut some grass, make $50 then get on cd keys. Then play ranked!
@@luhhtee2547 Accidentally starting a thriving business just because you wanted to play Tekken is legendary
Save up and buy the game
@@ShittyGamePrototypes lmao exactly
The pain of pay2lose games
When I attempt to whiff punish a move, I often end up getting hit first at 4:29.
Unfortunately its a weird thing with T8, the game is too new right now for me to say if its just something everyone has to get used to, or if its T8's extended hitboxes
great video :)
Thank you!
Amazing
im glad it helped!
Is there a free-roam camera mode you can watch matches with? Apparently I'm the only one who doesn't know about it lol. But it's cool when people show matches in different angles.
I think it's in practice mode? I don't know where specifically though. And I think there's one in match replays but I might be wrong since I don't use it much.
Pretty sure its a mod
hey! the mod is "Universal unreal engine 5 Unlocker" and is how I get all of my free cam shots, the mod does cost money and is on patreon but there are free versions out there, I cant post them because I dont wanna get in trouble, but try using something called "kemono party" to get free patreon content and start there:)
@@AveryxFGC thanks. Just curious! Thank you for taking the time to make the video!
@@ayosgsauce of course! im glad you found it helpful!
Hey im new im trying to figure out at the most basic level what i should be aiming to do in neutral. Is it more character specific? I play raven because he looks cool and also he kinda clicked a little better for me than other characters so far. But should i just be looking to set up opportunities to whiff punish? Should i be looking to frame trap my opponent with jabs? I have never “seriously” played fighting games (tried to learn and get better and understand the strategy of how the game plays on a fundamental level) so this is all new to me anything would be helpful
hey, thanks for the comment! Neutral in the most basic form is when both characters are neither advantage or disadvantage in positioning specifically. your plan in neutral will depend on life lead, round count, character specifics, opponent character specifics, and opponent habits. For instance, if your opponent is bryan, and he keeps using 3+4 (his long reaching mid kick that has huge pushback and counter hit launches) your goal might be to bait out the 3+4 by focusing on advancing quickly to freak him out and get him to press, and immediately sidestep and launch his 3+4. I would say the three most important things when deciding what to do in neutral would be your character and the gameplan you would like to execute, your opponents character, and your opponents habits. Everything else is eventually important, but isnt as immediately important as those three things.
TL;DR: if you know your opponent keeps throwing the same few moves over and over in neutral, base your gameplan on exploiting those moves to punish them!
@@AveryxFGC ok that actually helps a lot thanks
How do you actually build & keep the pressure up ? I play DJ, and I often feel like I'm unable to threaten the enemy, since I only have one strong low and many of his pokes also kind of suck...
So I often end up not being able to open up or seriously threatening the opponent, while just getting blendered by them
the simplest way to explain DVJs gameplan is to open players up with hellsweep, if you find opponents arent ducking and you have the time, throwing out hellsweep into a decent combo can net some decent damage, but also scare your opponent into ducking more. The essence of Mishima characters being so hard is because the game plan revolves around "am I going to hellsweep or not" your mids are there to check them if they duck, your electric for if they get lazy with approach or sidestepping, and your 1,1,2 to lock them down. DVJ has some decent get out of jail options for when hes getting attacked, but the problem comes from actually attacking. If your opponent just has solid ass defense everything ive said above is going to become much harder to do. As someone who plays a Mishima, the best advice I can give you is to really focus on movement, with EWGF being literally the best launcher in the game, learning how to KBD if you havent already and control space will carry you so far. The gameplan of "hellsweeping to get health lead and just not approaching and only playing whiff punishes" can actually win you so many rounds against people who like to turtle up, because at the end of the day if you have the higher health bar when that timer goes off, youre the one thats winning!
@@AveryxFGC thanks alot for the tips ! Yeah ok, so that proves what I feared/thought would be the case... I love DJ for his "main villain boss" vibe, but the sheer amount of buttons you have to press in such a short time to be a real threat (cd-iws2, ewgf, kbd, wp ewgf...) frustates me; others press one input and I lose 50%HP 🥲
@@Terrencehill19 yeahhhh its kinda the name of the game with mishimas unfortunately, A lot of people want difficult characters, and thats kinda the role the mishimas fit haha
So why do people stay crouched the entire fight
Throw this all out the window against "Reina"😅
I think I played you in ranked 😀 I recognise your name 😀
oh nice! who do you play? I usually always use this same customization haha
Zoomed out tekken in the intro look goofy as hell
its even weirder when you watch them teleport around during rage arts LMAO
Intermediate ranks start at blue. What is ur actual rank?
Intermediate starts from Mighty Ruler
I am an offline player that has only ever grinded really with offline tourney players and finally giving ranked a chance, so I honestly am not sure what my highest will be. People I play with are around emperor-TGS so id say probably the bottom end of that while im focusing on learning matchups im unfamiliar with!
@razborkaptrsk9428 nah, u can get to fujin just by flowcharting and having no real fundamentals, I did so in 30 hours with bryan, and I've never played a tekken game before. Raijin is when people actually start becoming good stepping, whiff punishing consistently, whiffing on purpose with low recovery moves to bait whiff punishes etc. Everyone else is just pressing buttons.
There's a reason 20 + percent of the playerbase is in fujin. Ruler ranks are 40% +. Would u really look at a GN to MG player from csgo and call that player an intermediate player? No, but they are statistically the same as a ruler.
@AveryxFGC do u actually consider ruler ranks intermediate, tho? Unless ur playing reactably, u aren't really playing tekken. Ur just flowcharting until something sticks. Up until mid blue ranks players are learning how to pilot their character rather than playing the game.
@@markshmellomd1370 I would say intermediate is a "slightly better than average" rank. I dont think setting "intermediate" to be middle of blue makes much sense personally. in the grand scheme of things if the majority of the player base is stuck in a certain rank, the few ranks following it are where you would be above average, thus "intermediate". I have seen quite a few good players consider tenryu to battle ruler to be the intermediate ranks. you have to keep in mind that ranks are going to be bloated with the game just coming out, and the nature of a 1v1 game youre going to find people much easier that are boosted than if you played a 5v5 like counter strike just because the lack of other opponents in the lobby. remember, intermediate doesnt specifically mean GOOD. I do agree that it is all flow charting, but in a sense flow charting is the simplest form of understanding of a game plan. so if none of the other ranks understand gameplan and are all mashing, I think its fair to say the ranks where people finally start having a gameplan for their character would be intermediate (even if the gameplan still sucks), and it would only become advanced play once players start to understand the opponents character and plan their gameplan accordingly. The game has gotten very popular very fast, so the skill ceiling has gotten a lot lower right now, it seems much easier for players like us who have a basic understanding of fundamentals, but because of the larger player pool and the huge vast variety of players with varying skill level, I think its safe to say in my opinion ruler ranks serves as an intermediate testing ground, and blue ranks serves as a test of if a player is dedicated enough to learn their character and their opponents as well!
no offense but giving neutral advice at garyu seems kinda far fetched, like even in fujin there are some people who dont really understand it
this is my very first fighting game besides smash and im currently sitting at shinriyu after like 80 hours and I dont see myself ever giving anyone advice since I play like a complete dumbass
I said at the very beginning of the video that this isnt my actual rank. im an offline player that doesnt play ranked because I have practice partners that are tournament players. I only started playing ranked because of youtube, theres a lot ive learned playing with some of the best players in the united states, and what ive talked about is not only true, but things that have been passed down and taught to me by these same professional players im practicing/playing with
EDIT: The topics im talking about as well is the absolute basic fundamentals of neutral that red rank players should be learning right now, if Fujins dont understand at least the first step of advancing in neutral thats a very bad sign
@@AveryxFGC I mean you uploaded ranked gameplay like 2 months ago, if you are truelly playing waaaay better then red ranks you couldve skipped like 3 ranks per day, im not saying your information is wrong im just saying you arent really in the position to give advice as a beginner, it just seems wrong
@@bloodcake1337 I am PhiDX's full time editor, including multiple other content creators, I am also a full time college student who has just been in the process of moving. I dont play ranked often at all because I dont have the time to play at all, since this video has gone live in the two days ive gotten on im right now at my promotion to mighty ruler, and I still havent played more than like 10-15ish games in that time.
@@AveryxFGC Aighty, I belive you lets see how far youll get by the next video :D
@@AveryxFGC aighty mighty, I belive you, lets see how far ull get by the next upload :D
Talk louder.
no
Turn up ur volume
@@ABizzareJoe lolol I tried! If the next step is be less poor and buy bigger speakers. Good luck, I've got no money and plan to keep it that way.
@@AveryxFGC lololol asked and answered !
@@AveryxFGC is this holding neutral ground in real life? I think we call it "holding space" no?