THE RITE OF SPRING : Repetition Legitimizes

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  • čas přidán 18. 03. 2021
  • How come the Rite of Spring is both incredibly popular but also incredibly dissonant? Are those two supposed to be mutually exclusive? In this video I present my own theory - that it's the unique mixture of dissonance and repetition that makes this such an innovative and influential work.
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  • @AdamNeely
    @AdamNeely Před 3 lety +4805

    Repetition legitimizes

  • @pvdaele
    @pvdaele Před 3 lety +271

    "Once is a mistake, twice is jazz." Miles Davis

    • @gtgaxiola
      @gtgaxiola Před 3 lety +1

      I guess Herbie Hancock did not repeat...

    • @segmentsAndCurves
      @segmentsAndCurves Před 3 lety +1

      @@gtgaxiola I don't know about that, all what I know is that he didn't play the butter note ;)

    • @segmentsAndCurves
      @segmentsAndCurves Před 3 lety +6

      And apparently, third is a motif.

    • @Bati_
      @Bati_ Před 2 lety +11

      “This quote is presumably fake.” - Miles Davis

    • @cinqtonic504
      @cinqtonic504 Před 2 lety

      I guess Jimmy Two Time speaks in Jazz

  • @AimeeNolte
    @AimeeNolte Před 3 lety +1123

    You made me laugh several times but that Wong/Stravinsky mash up was both hilarious and amazing all at once! Great job, my friend.

    • @DBruce
      @DBruce  Před 3 lety +48

      Thanks so much Aimee!

    • @atatdotdot
      @atatdotdot Před 3 lety +11

      I'd love to hear more of it!

    • @craigiefconcert6493
      @craigiefconcert6493 Před 3 lety +9

      Was that mashup done just for this video??? I want to hear a full mashup!!

    • @nahometesfay1112
      @nahometesfay1112 Před 3 lety +6

      @@DBruce Wow the horn in the upper right corner was a really nice touch!

    • @sethcahn1931
      @sethcahn1931 Před 3 lety +10

      Came to say the same. Strawongsky wins the internet today. Brilliant.

  • @Tantacrul
    @Tantacrul Před 3 lety +448

    Nice horn morph.

  • @BenLevin
    @BenLevin Před 3 lety +978

    Just stopping by to say I am so grateful that you make these videos, I learn so much!

    • @DimIsHigh
      @DimIsHigh Před 3 lety +15

      Ben, your humbleness is always so nice and refreshing

    • @russellszabadosaka5-pindin849
      @russellszabadosaka5-pindin849 Před 3 lety +3

      @Ben Levin and I’ve learned so much from you *and* David. Between you two, Tantacrul, Aimee, June Lee and Adam, my music game has been raised and I’m loving it.

    • @ephjaymusic
      @ephjaymusic Před 3 lety +1

      Ayyy!!!! How's it going Ben?!

  • @fikradas
    @fikradas Před 3 lety +475

    I can't believe the Simpsons predicted the rite of spring.

    • @OW79
      @OW79 Před 3 lety +14

      You're in a simulation of a simulation

    • @Nicolas-zb9uw
      @Nicolas-zb9uw Před 3 lety +10

      Yes , they did ! 100 years after the fact !

    • @VANDYmusicofficial
      @VANDYmusicofficial Před 3 lety +13

      They didn’t predict... they inspired Stravinsky

    • @alexandrusimo899
      @alexandrusimo899 Před 2 lety

      @@VANDYmusicofficial had us in the first half, ngl

    • @bachagain1685
      @bachagain1685 Před 2 lety

      +fikradas, you are all beyond all doubt irritating individuals. The Simpsons came out at the later half of the 20th century whilst the Rite of Spring has been around for over 20 years! Of course the Simpsons inspired it!

  • @jakegearhart
    @jakegearhart Před 3 lety +253

    12:03 Important fact about the original Star Wars: George Lucas originally intended to score the entire film using classical music like 2001 A Space Odyssey.
    It took his friend Steven Spielberg to convince him to use John Williams who had recently scored Jaws for him, and even then, Lucas wouldn't budge much from his original intentions. After George was blown away by the first Star Wars score, he let Williams off the reigns for the second film, Empire Strikes Back, and the score is completely different to a degree that it's intentionally separating itself from the first film. There's a lot of good atonal writing in that score.
    I often hear Williams being called a thief, but 95% of the examples of him "copying" previous works are from Star Wars. The movie industry is filled with directors who won't budge from their temp tracks so most of the time it's out of the composer's control.

    • @Nooticus
      @Nooticus Před 3 lety +3

      Hold on, I recognise your name. You used to be a minecraft/tech minecraft player right?

    • @VocalMabiMaple
      @VocalMabiMaple Před 3 lety +2

      @@Nooticus yep.

    • @wtwrush
      @wtwrush Před 3 lety +6

      That’s really fascinating. The fact that the 2001 soundtrack was also partially the result of Kubrick getting attached to temp music is ironic

    • @KinkyLettuce
      @KinkyLettuce Před 3 lety +5

      "but 95% of the examples of him "copying" previous works are from Star Wars"
      If you are trying to say he only copied from himself, you dont know what you are talking about.
      Not to discredit JW, hes still amazing. But you have to recognize his "borrowing" from Holst, Mahler, Stravinsky, Bartok, Prokofiev etc..
      You cant truly appreciate JW if you are just blindly idealizing him as absolutely original and dont even recognize where his musical lineage came from

    • @jakegearhart
      @jakegearhart Před 3 lety +7

      @@KinkyLettuce That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that 95% of the examples that exist of John Williams copying previous composers is from Star Wars. He's copied other composers on occasion (most likely by the request of a director), but the vast majority are in Star Wars because it was meant to be scored to classical music before Williams was brought on.

  • @DeflatingAtheism
    @DeflatingAtheism Před 3 lety +59

    Repetition legitimizes. Much like that famous rule of voice-leading, "Never use parallel fifths, but if you do, use them constantly."

  • @AaronPetitPiano
    @AaronPetitPiano Před 3 lety +152

    I had to double take at 0:31 - 0:34 It was so weird to see my own performance featured here! Haha Thanks for the share. Awesome video.

  • @maestrorafaelribeiro
    @maestrorafaelribeiro Před 3 lety +345

    That funky Rite of Spring beginning at 4:39 deserves a Grammy on its own! And also a full scale version!

    • @oscarchuquillanqui8574
      @oscarchuquillanqui8574 Před 3 lety +8

      I was going to create a comment, but this represents me

    • @Xlornick
      @Xlornick Před 3 lety +3

      Swing it a little and you got Duke Ellington's Ko-Ko, which I always thought sounded like Duke had Igor in mind when he composed it. czcams.com/video/5CO8_Ktro-w/video.html

    • @devon-crain
      @devon-crain Před 3 lety

      @@Xlornick Nice catch, love the association!

    • @funtimenetwork
      @funtimenetwork Před 3 lety

      Plunderphonics Where is jake lizzio????

    • @furysublime
      @furysublime Před rokem

      goosbumps! dadadadada

  • @darthlaurel
    @darthlaurel Před 3 lety +150

    I feel like we hear the chord so many times that we stop expecting it to resolve. It just exists in its own right.

    • @RaysonWilliams
      @RaysonWilliams Před 3 lety +41

      It’s own Rite, if you will

    • @darthlaurel
      @darthlaurel Před 3 lety +12

      @@RaysonWilliams Well done.

    • @Tyron95
      @Tyron95 Před 2 lety +6

      It's not even dissonant to my ears anymore

  • @yogatonga7529
    @yogatonga7529 Před 3 lety +241

    The last time I was that early the Rite of Spring was consideered scandalous.

  • @marcushlm
    @marcushlm Před 3 lety +63

    06:52 This should've been the thumbnail for this video

  • @jasonkokoszka7357
    @jasonkokoszka7357 Před 3 lety +54

    "Do not go djently into that good night..."

  • @martinpaddle
    @martinpaddle Před 3 lety +73

    In high school our music teacher made us listen to Stravinsky's Symphony of Psalms. I was always told that Stravinsky was dissonant and not supposed to be pleasant to listen to, but this was so beautiful it gave me chills. I guess only one other kid appreciated it (and he's now director of the Leipzig Opera)

    • @ChurchOfTheHolyMho
      @ChurchOfTheHolyMho Před 3 lety +4

      One of my favorites also. Someone's put it on YT with the score, which is great. I used to check out those pocket scores from the music library at my university and follow along.

    • @martinpaddle
      @martinpaddle Před 3 lety +5

      @@ChurchOfTheHolyMho we were given the score when we listened to it in class... I then transcribed some of the more epic parts from that for the electric guitar 🤣

  • @Shevock
    @Shevock Před 3 lety +216

    The idea that repetition legitimize is perhaps nowhere more apparent than in birdsong, where melodies and harmonies we consider dissonant transform into beauty before our ears and become meditative. Perhaps Stravinsky being influenced by nonhuman musicking is apparent in his approach to Rite.

    • @Philrc
      @Philrc Před 3 lety

      I don't see birdsong as dissonant

    • @Shevock
      @Shevock Před 3 lety +16

      @@Philrc exactly. If you only heard a chickadee once in your life you might. But we've evolved with birds song, and repetition legitimizes.

    • @Shevock
      @Shevock Před 3 lety +1

      czcams.com/video/LfMsUuU9KtQ/video.html

    • @Philrc
      @Philrc Před 3 lety

      @@Shevock even if it did legitimize , it doesn't make dissonance go away

    • @Shevock
      @Shevock Před 3 lety

      @@Philrc I cannot possibly respond to all of your concerns on social media. Is consonance and dissonance unchanging through time? Universals? I obviously misunderstood what you were getting at with your first reply to my comment on the video. But my choice of chickadee birdsong is because of where I stand. I have stood on other soils but they are not mine. I have yet to hear a place where the bird soundscape is entirely what music theorists have delineated as consonant. Often one of the first things I notice is how dissonant it sounds to me but then over hours or days I acclimate to the music and it becomes beautiful. For me it is a transformation from dissonance to consonance. If you were merely here to troll me, then I'm sorry I took time thinking about what you said and responding.

  • @wiesorix
    @wiesorix Před 3 lety +18

    Wow, I've never seen video clips of Stravinsky himself before, he really looks as crazy as you would expect from someone who writes stuff as shocking as the rite of spring!
    Also, I love videos like this that explain little pieces of music I like, it makes me go back to the piece and listen for details I had not noticed before. It really helps to appreciate these masterpieces even more.

  • @ethanwarren9006
    @ethanwarren9006 Před 3 lety +39

    Time to get obsessed with rite of spring again

  • @pelmer3948
    @pelmer3948 Před 3 lety +199

    The expression "repetition legitimizes" reminds me of a part in the children's book "Le Petit Prince", where the little prince meets the fox and asks to play with him, but the fox says he must be tamed first, although the French word used is "apprivoiser", which can also mean to socialize, to familiarize, to connect with. The passage I thought of was "To me, you are still nothing more than a little boy who is just like a hundred thousand other little boys. And I have no need of you. And you, on your part, have no need of me. To you, I am nothing more than a fox like a hundred thousand other foxes. But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world." I find the idea similar to how in music like Schoenberg's there are many dissonances one after the other, but in the Rite of Spring Stravinsky allows us to connect with and get to know these dissonances in more detail, and see them as not just another dissonance but a familiar harmony. It's also similar to the idea that people are more likely to sympathize with individuals rather than crowds.

    • @Yossus
      @Yossus Před 3 lety +1

      I first heard that excerpt in a musical setting by Countermeasure, a Canadian a cappella group. It's called Fox in the Field - look it up, it's gorgeous!

    • @jazzloopjazz
      @jazzloopjazz Před 3 lety +2

      Weird. I read another comment recently using this exact same quote. Is that one of those tines where repetition legitimizes?
      If only I could remember where I read it before...

  • @Sfingle
    @Sfingle Před 3 lety +28

    06:51 ...if that impression was not so damn funny, I would be offended on Stravinsky's behalf, lol

  • @spencerwinellcomposer
    @spencerwinellcomposer Před 3 lety +46

    Theorist Joseph N. Straus is one of more recent analysts to provide a really illuminating take on "The Rite" since Taruskin and Van Der Toorn had the last word on the subject. He says that a lot of the constructions can be explained by way of two fifths - usually a half-step apart - which is then emphasized by having a melodic line that is concerned with outlining a fourth relationship of one of the two fifths. For example, the Augurs moment, you have E-B (spelled Fb-Cb) against Eb-Bb, and the repeated more linear fragment outlines Eb-Bb. In Petrushka's opening the two alternating chords against that melody in the flutes which, again, outlines that A-D fourth. Great video!

  • @saboo_tage
    @saboo_tage Před 3 lety +36

    YESSSSS I can't get enough of rite of spring analyses!! This piece is just so jam packed with pure musical rawness and absolutely banger harmonies!!! I almost jumped up and down with excitement over 13:14, this is by far my favourite part of the entire piece. The way it dissolves into dissonance is just pure beauty

  • @YoYo10542
    @YoYo10542 Před 3 lety +90

    Ah Cory has gotta see this! I feel like he’d love it.

    • @konkey-dong
      @konkey-dong Před 3 lety +3

      If Louis Cole's band occasionally quote the Rite, then I feel that Cory would probably at least know of the Rite too

    • @AndrewBakke
      @AndrewBakke Před 3 lety +3

      A Cory Wong cameo in a David Bruce video on the Rites of Spring was not at all what I expected.

  • @attichatchsound-bobkowal5328

    Excellent Video! John Williams shares his appreciation for "Rite of Spring" a fair amount in Spielberg's "War of the Worlds"

  • @erichstocker4173
    @erichstocker4173 Před 3 lety +6

    You know the first time I heard Rite of Spring in a concert I detested it so much that I found a convenient (and non-disturbing) way to leave the concert. Fortunately it was in the first part with a Mozart in the second. The next time I heard it was at a friend's house. He was demonstrating his "cool" new stereo system (it was cool). I left to talk with his wife in the kitchen. Then for 25 years I avoided that piece like it spread the plague. But then my brother liked it and played it and I listened and was not totally repulsed. I have come to appreciate it and own a copy of a performance. I won't say that I enjoy it but I appreciate it. After your discussion of the theory behind the composition I was really impressed with the talent to create it. I'll listen to it with "new ears" the next time I play it. Thanks so much for the demonstration of the theory and the very good explanations that went with it!!!

  • @samuelackermann9249
    @samuelackermann9249 Před 3 lety +67

    That's so cool ! That's so cool ! That's so cool ! That's so cool ! That's so cool ! That's so cool ! That's so cool ! That's so cool !

  • @FilipeSalgueiroo
    @FilipeSalgueiroo Před 3 lety +79

    The first time I heard the Rite of Spring I was totally blown away by how heavy it sounded, it was more metal than metal!

    • @stever3788
      @stever3788 Před 3 lety +21

      Go back farther and try some late Beethoven string quartets. Beethoven invented ragtime, boogie woogie and metal too..

  • @iangillham9647
    @iangillham9647 Před 3 lety +20

    Lightnin’ Hopkins is reputed to have said “I don’t make mistakes, if I do, I make it again and then it isn’t a mistake....”

    • @stefan1024
      @stefan1024 Před 3 lety +1

      That's how I started smoking ;)

  • @jloren4647
    @jloren4647 Před 3 lety +45

    Your animation is on point, since its clearly in good spirit!

  • @wilfriedk7378
    @wilfriedk7378 Před 3 lety +36

    I listened to the Rite of Spring for the first time on CZcams years ago. That was a crazy experience, but when i heard it live 2 years ago? Now that was a experience. I recommend all of you to take the chance if you can see The Rite live (when this covid stuff is gone of course)

    • @lawrence18uk
      @lawrence18uk Před 3 lety +2

      @WM K - absolutely. I've got to the stage where I now can't listen to this as an orchestral piece, without the dancers

    • @chelmrtz
      @chelmrtz Před 3 lety +2

      I saw it live in early 2020. It was the most metal thing I’ve ever experienced

  • @gxtmfa
    @gxtmfa Před 3 lety +7

    I love this. It’s very gratifying to have a classical theorist “descend” to our simple folk genres of funk and djent.

    • @alhfgsp
      @alhfgsp Před rokem

      Lol, what a regression! 🤣

  • @MrPabgon
    @MrPabgon Před 3 lety +13

    In this stravinsky example, i think that it's harder not to feel annoyed but the dissonance (and rather sound good) doesn't have to do a lot with repetition legitimazes, but more with the fact that it's played on different instruments. For me, it sounds way more dissonant when played on the piano that how stravinsky does it. I mean, you still feel uneasy, but it's not as bad sounding as when played on piano. Well, at least that's how it sounds to me.

    • @juliamonem133
      @juliamonem133 Před 2 lety +1

      I think its a mix of both. the legitimacy of these chords are a result of the repetition and the juxtaposition of two instruments. I mean, David Bruce said himself about the chilling feel of "The Sacrifice" which takes advantage of the many instruments and uses the disconnect between different instruments to enhance the dissonance.

  • @user-ez9is7lb9p
    @user-ez9is7lb9p Před 3 lety +7

    13:14 reminds me of the lines ‘April is the cruelest month, breeding lilacs out of the dead land’

  • @mae__
    @mae__ Před 3 lety +113

    John Williams was VeRY inSpiREd bY it😂😭

    • @wingflanagan
      @wingflanagan Před 3 lety +19

      The tyranny of temp tracks - "...I want it to sound just like this, but...you know...different..."

    • @timcox5373
      @timcox5373 Před 3 lety +5

      @@wingflanagan absolutely, temp is the bane of my existence haha

    • @JoshuaKallenberg
      @JoshuaKallenberg Před 3 lety +7

      Yeah, although it really should be mentioned that when writing for film it's not really up to the composer how the music is to sound. In fact, most film composers don't even own the music they write.

    • @timcox5373
      @timcox5373 Před 3 lety +3

      @@JoshuaKallenberg yeah, and it makes sense though because the studio needs to be able to distribute in perpetuity so they need to own the rights

    • @wingflanagan
      @wingflanagan Před 3 lety +8

      @@JoshuaKallenberg True enough. But it makes it harder to get a distinctive, idiosyncratic score. Bernard Herrmann would stop the projectionist during a spotting session and demand a screening with no temp tracks. This gave him a reputation for being difficult and ill-tempered, but it also gave him the license to write some of the greatest film scores in all of cinema. Too bad he was pretty much the only composer who could get away with that. But let's get real - when your writing to picture, it's a lot more technical. Much more craft than art, like painting a picture to be hung in the lobby of an office building - it has to be the right kind of bland, and you can only use colors that blend with the decor.

  • @LuigiElettrico
    @LuigiElettrico Před 3 lety +1

    That mix and "Too ze end my deerrr"... perfect repetitive dissonance example. :D

  • @rnhtube
    @rnhtube Před 3 lety +9

    Apocryphal Stravinsky quote: "I achieve my consonance through *insistence*"

  • @alkanista
    @alkanista Před 3 lety +9

    I think Petrushka needs more love. Sacre gets all of the attention for being so ground-breaking, but Petrushka had already moved far, far beyond the Rimsky-esque world of Firebird.

  • @JoshuaKallenberg
    @JoshuaKallenberg Před 3 lety +22

    I do think it bears mention that the "inspiration" when it comes to film scores aren't really up to the composer, but the director, with the job of the composer being making new music that sounds as close to whatever piece the director chose as temp track. In the case of Star Wars, George Lucas had just chosen the Rite of Spring and basically just told John Williams to "do this".
    In general, how "original" a film score has generally very little to do with the abilities of the composer - John Williams is an incredible composer who has written a ton of completely original stuff outside of his film scores - and much more to do with how strong/clear the directive from the film's director is. Also worth remembering that film directors usually have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to music.

    • @wingflanagan
      @wingflanagan Před 3 lety +6

      Absolutely. But while directors should not have to be musically literate, I think they should afford the composer the same respect they usually give actors. What they often do to the composer would be the equivalent of making actors exactly imitate others' line readings. I've heard Francis Coppola is a joy to work with because his usual attitude is "do what you think is right and we'll talk about it if it's not working." He pretty much left Wojciek Kilar alone when scoring _Bram Stoker's Dracula._ It also helps to know that Coppola composes music, himself. Respect!

  • @BLooDCoMPleX
    @BLooDCoMPleX Před 3 lety +4

    I never knew I needed a funky take on Rite of Spring.

  •  Před 3 lety +1

    Both a new Tantacrul AND David Bruce upload back to back?? I really needed this, thank you! Great content as always, Stravinsky had been a great influence to my musical evolution

  • @kappabravomusic2101
    @kappabravomusic2101 Před 3 lety +3

    That was very nice review and breakdown. I love "Rite of Spring" such amazing piece. So complex for timings.

  • @phoebedraper3046
    @phoebedraper3046 Před 3 lety +3

    13:15 my favourite part of the piece!

  • @berni1602
    @berni1602 Před 3 lety

    I've been a bit obsessed into this work and your video was amazing. It's one of the pieces that I can listen to a bit better every time I hear it.

  • @manuelmoreira8575
    @manuelmoreira8575 Před 3 lety

    Wow David, this video gave me chills! And I mean, your words, not only Stravinsky's music! Super well done, great thoughts. I relate a lot to the video as I did a research project on repetition in music and a masters thesis on musical form and I must say, I was still blown away!!! Fist thing I do when I get my job back is to be your Patreon!

  • @InfamyLP
    @InfamyLP Před 3 lety +11

    me, watching this a second time to make sure i got it all: repetition legitimizes

  • @PriaboniaMusic
    @PriaboniaMusic Před 3 lety +4

    David, just dropped in to say how much I love your work! Will send some bird seed presently!

  • @Emil-yd1ge
    @Emil-yd1ge Před 3 lety

    Your videos are a work of art, you're getting more creative and advanced in your video production every time!

  • @brianfedele94
    @brianfedele94 Před 3 lety

    That section from spring rounds is one my favourite of the rite of spring, so beautiful, and it grows so much in intensity! I’m So happy that you talk about it!

  • @asa.pankeiki
    @asa.pankeiki Před 3 lety +27

    Amazing how you went through a whole video about repeating dominants without mentioning Steve Reich

    • @stephenweigel
      @stephenweigel Před 3 lety

      Lol

    •  Před 3 lety +3

      The minimalists legitimizes

    • @Bati_
      @Bati_ Před 3 lety +7

      Fun Fact: Steve Reich decided to become a composer after hearing The Rite of Spring at the age of 14.

    • @owlcowl
      @owlcowl Před 3 lety +1

      @@Bati_ The Rite as well as the Brandenburg Concertos and bebop. It was the first time he had been exposed to any serious 20th Century music and was a life-changing revelation.

  • @TheSequentCalculus
    @TheSequentCalculus Před 3 lety +13

    Van Zweden has the right kind of face for Stravinsky. It adds to the music.

    • @wingflanagan
      @wingflanagan Před 3 lety +1

      Also - if you watch the whole video, he gets this look of maniacal triumph when it ends. It's a terrific performance, and I always thought that look just put the perfect cap on it.

  • @thezxcv1234898
    @thezxcv1234898 Před 3 lety

    Whoa, the footage is so precious! Thank you, David!

  • @juliansaintdenis8617
    @juliansaintdenis8617 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for talking about the opening of the second part! I feel like it always gets lost amongst the Augers and Sacrificial dance. Great video!

  • @gustavoberocan
    @gustavoberocan Před 3 lety +7

    4:40 sharpen this 9th so you get the hendrix chord and stravinsky get into the purple haze

  • @MrGeorgeBaj
    @MrGeorgeBaj Před 3 lety +3

    My composition teacher (Vladimír Bokes) presented me the theory about "the chord", that it is mix of V. and VI. degree in functional harmony, taken form some Wagner work. I can't recall from which one, but it doesn't seem so important to me. More interesting idea came from approach he used quite often. He was pointing at parallels in other art forms, so he compared Picasso's paintings where you at the same time can see the front and the profile of the person with chords where you can hear for example V. and VI. degree at the same time.

  • @ianwynne764
    @ianwynne764 Před 3 lety

    Hello David: This was excellent. I really enjoyed and I learned a huge amount. Keep up the good work.

  • @stereoreservoir
    @stereoreservoir Před 3 lety +1

    david, you surprise me and astound me with your ability of clever crafting of content for many to enjoy always. content poridge i love everytrhing u speak of.

  • @MrGeolm
    @MrGeolm Před 3 lety +9

    didn't expect Cory Wong but that was a nice surprise :)

  • @javmbz_schlithler
    @javmbz_schlithler Před 3 lety +9

    Glad to see Joe Parrish here. His arrangement is amazing!

    • @grofinet
      @grofinet Před 3 lety +1

      Joe Parrish's version made me hear The Rite with fresh new ears. Check him out!

    • @javmbz_schlithler
      @javmbz_schlithler Před 3 lety

      @@grofinet That's it! Every now and then I come back to his playing, it's huge!

  • @nickvareymusic
    @nickvareymusic Před 3 lety

    Your choice of clips are brilliant, David!

  • @bingobongoboogie
    @bingobongoboogie Před rokem

    Dear David, I love your videos! This one is phantastic again. With that little bird, you got me. See you on patreon! ❤

  • @TylerJMacDonald
    @TylerJMacDonald Před 3 lety +5

    I know djent is the go to touchstone for dissonance in metal, but there really are a lot more people could choose from.

  • @HaydenofEverything
    @HaydenofEverything Před 3 lety +8

    Spring Rounds is my favorite part of the entire piece to be honest. It's a bit of a shame that many people overlook that portion on account of it being one of the parts that the film "Fantasia" excluded (the others being "Ritual of the Rival Tribes" "Procession of the Sage" and the final "Sacrificial Dance"). Unlike the other three excluded, however, Spring Rounds doesn't have a large amount of rhythmic complexity compared to Procession's intense polyrhythms near the end played by the guiro, Ritual's powerful timpani and frequently changing meter with an Olympic-esque theme, and the Sacrificial Dance's notorious 5/16, 3/16, and 2/16 bars. This is a bit of a letdown, considering that many conductors don't focus on making the Spring Rounds section work as hard as the others as a consequence. It's a bit depressing for a Spring Rounds enjoyer like myself because the dramatic glissandi in the trombone are weakened, and the intensity of this part is also weakened as a consequence. One of the only interpretations that properly portrays this glissando that I could find was a 1958 recording by Leonard Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic. Only that recording, as far as I can recall, possesses the same intensity that the passage requires.

    • @uvi_music
      @uvi_music Před 2 lety +1

      Spring Rounds is chillingly beautiful

    • @minsekfau3218
      @minsekfau3218 Před rokem +1

      Spring Rounds is one of the greatest moments of music

  • @simpleharmonicmotion16
    @simpleharmonicmotion16 Před 3 lety +2

    Had to laugh at the ad I got before this video featuring a music "producer" talking seriously about the auto-tune app and its benefits to one's music production toolkit.

  • @RadenAgung
    @RadenAgung Před 3 lety

    This video remind me when i was take music composition school and my lecturer talked about this topic. Thank you David awesome video and very inspired

  • @TorilAzzalini-Machecler
    @TorilAzzalini-Machecler Před 3 lety +5

    I didn't expect Stravinsky x Cory Wong to slap so hard

  • @joelkulesha8284
    @joelkulesha8284 Před 3 lety +4

    Those stravinsky clips kill me each time

  • @ABbeachbum
    @ABbeachbum Před 11 měsíci

    You editing is fantastic and fantastical 🎉🎉

  • @122112guru
    @122112guru Před 2 lety

    lol....the Stravinsky music & vid insert mashup over the funk groove....Absolutely priceless!..Till the end my dear!

  •  Před 3 lety +3

    Such a great video, also pretty funny, the funky mashup with stravinsky's "vocals" is amazing 🤘🏼

  • @TLSWalters
    @TLSWalters Před 3 lety +4

    I just used the Rite of Spring rhythm to pepper a riff into a 15/8 section for my prog rock band haha 😂

  • @carlosmontoyamusic
    @carlosmontoyamusic Před 3 lety

    What an incredible work you do, David. Thank you for doing this.

  • @jonassholmberg8071
    @jonassholmberg8071 Před 3 lety

    The bass part in the last section you talked about is quoted wonderfully in Esbjörn Svensson Trio's Reminiscence of a Soul (hidden song at the end of the track). I was absolutely delighted to find this out, watching this video.

  • @tom_4615
    @tom_4615 Před 3 lety +288

    Classical music snobs: pop music is so boring, it only uses 4 chords
    Stravinsky: allow me to introduce myself 59 times

    • @MongerOfStrings8222
      @MongerOfStrings8222 Před 3 lety +5

      But Stravinsky isn't pop

    • @tom_4615
      @tom_4615 Před 3 lety +3

      @@MongerOfStrings8222 and?.. Lmao

    • @MongerOfStrings8222
      @MongerOfStrings8222 Před 3 lety

      @@tom_4615 The joke doesn't make much sense

    • @tom_4615
      @tom_4615 Před 3 lety +19

      @@MongerOfStrings8222 no it does... The same people that will gush over this music (even though it has a chord that repeats 59 times) will shit on pop for only having 4 chords that repeat...

    • @spiros7512
      @spiros7512 Před 3 lety +14

      @@tom_4615 you're missing stravinsky's point. He does that intentionally because he gives more emphasis on the irregular rythm that the prehistoric tribesmen do, pop uses the same chords and most of the time the same rythm. Also stravinsky uses instruments in very innovative ways. +other points i have but i'm too bored to write them down now

  • @fontajo
    @fontajo Před 3 lety +7

    Interesting that you used a harmon mute to translate bird speak, us trumpeters use it to translate our music into horrifying ear-shattering chalkboard-scratching torture

  • @gemmamerinserra4988
    @gemmamerinserra4988 Před 3 lety

    It's impossible to get tired of this piece. It's great to see those great moments highlighted.

  • @catfdljws
    @catfdljws Před 2 lety

    Nice that you bring up Joe Parrish's work - wonderful production, that.

  • @h-Qalziel
    @h-Qalziel Před 3 lety +5

    So close! You’re a day off posting this on the spring equinox. At least in the northern hemisphere.

  • @theohayes7119
    @theohayes7119 Před 3 lety +10

    Disappointed the bird isn't called Andrew Bird, but I'll let it slide. It's also fortunate that Matt Groening so fundamentally understood the inner machinations of the Rite of Spring, otherwise the Simpsons just wouldn't have been the same.

  • @arijitchakravarty8968

    Great video … informative, funny, and extremely well presented. Thank you, sir! ❤

  • @giancork1656
    @giancork1656 Před 3 lety +1

    You should really write 'The Rite of Springfield'. Thank you so much for the wild laughs! Even though I am worrying isolation has finally got to you 😆 Great video as always!

  • @rauldossantos6542
    @rauldossantos6542 Před 3 lety +4

    4:40 that's stylish

  • @macleadg
    @macleadg Před 3 lety +9

    So, what happens if I keep saying “Repetition does not legitimize. Repetition does not legitimize. Repetition does not legitimize. Repetition does not legitimize. ...”

    • @pianojay5146
      @pianojay5146 Před 3 lety +8

      you legitimize "Repetition does not legitimize" by repetition

    • @macleadg
      @macleadg Před 3 lety +1

      @@pianojay5146 😂

    • @forrcaho
      @forrcaho Před 3 lety

      Biden still wins the election?

    • @macleadg
      @macleadg Před 3 lety

      @@forrcaho Can’t tell if you’re dissing Trump or Biden..,

    • @forrcaho
      @forrcaho Před 3 lety +1

      @@macleadg No matter how much Trump supporters repeated their claims of a "stolen election", those claims never became legitimate.

  • @sakurathornsickle5681
    @sakurathornsickle5681 Před 3 lety +1

    I’m really into Stravinsky right now, thanks for introducing me to the Ebony concerto!

  • @alanwood5394
    @alanwood5394 Před 3 lety

    Hey! That's my band Swing Shift Jazz Orchestra at 0:41 . I never thought we would make it onto a David Bruce Video!!

  • @kroniprojects9834
    @kroniprojects9834 Před 3 lety +13

    6:50 that make me laugh xDDD

  • @musicalintentions
    @musicalintentions Před 3 lety +5

    Dorian is, in my estimation, the best name you could have chosen for your avian friend. 😊

  • @alexbeshay7965
    @alexbeshay7965 Před 3 lety

    thank you so much for sharing all this brilliance!

  • @Galopo
    @Galopo Před 3 lety

    Amazing video, thanks for teaching me something new!!

  • @raphaelmarquez9650
    @raphaelmarquez9650 Před 3 lety +4

    First thing that comes into my mind about Rite of Spring is scientifically outdated dinosaurs. Thanks a lot, Fantasia.

  • @alexgibsonde
    @alexgibsonde Před 3 lety +5

    Great video, however I disagree with calling the dominant seventh chord in the Funk example dissonant. Funk is very much based in the Blues, and in the Blues harmony doesn't quite follow the same principles as in classical music. The dominant seventh chord in this context is a point of rest (and therefore not dissonant) in my opinion. Adam Neely actually touched on that topic in his last video ("What key is Hey Joe in?"). Anyway, I really enjoy your videos and appreciate the work you put in making them! Greetings from Germany!

    • @atatdotdot
      @atatdotdot Před 3 lety +3

      I dislike referring to a chord like C E G B♭ as a dominant seventh when it's not performing a dominant function; I think it's confusing. The major minor seventh chord, as this chord is also known , is "dissonant" in that it contains a "strongly dissonant" interval, the tritone (E B♭). However, as you say, in blues/funk/rock and roll, etc., the chord can and frequently does take tonic function, and as such is functionally consonant, making it by definition "not dissonant". Makes you think, eh! :-)

    • @MaggaraMarine
      @MaggaraMarine Před 3 lety +1

      I think tonal tension and harmonic dissonance are slightly different things. Harmonic dissonance often creates tonal tension, but doesn't necessarily do that. For example atonal music is highly dissonant but has no tonal tension. And you can have a dissonant tonic chord. In jazz, it's common to use maj7#11 as a tonic, and it contains a lot of dissonant intervals.
      You can also have a completely consonant chord that creates tonal tension. The major V chord has a lot of tension, but isn't dissonant at all.
      I guess there's some nuance to this discussion, though, because often if you describe something as a dissonance, it also kind of implies a tendency to resolve to some kind of a consonance. And this resolution doesn't have to be V - I. It may also be Cdim7 to C major or E7b9 to E7. So, in this sense, dominant 7th chords aren't really used "as dissonances" in blues/funk. They are treated as completely stable sounds that don't need to be resolved, and don't even have any kind of a tendency to resolve - they are already "resolved". And in that sense, calling it a "dissonance" can be somewhat misleading. Still, it's more dissonant than major or minor triad, and does contain two dissonant intervals in it (minor 7th and tritone).

  • @ramesh0785
    @ramesh0785 Před 3 lety

    So nice to see the comments by Adam, Ben and Aimee here in your channel Mr Bruce.

  • @ZachGatesHere
    @ZachGatesHere Před 3 lety +1

    Friend just suggested this channel to me and damn I am here for all of this.

  • @memesupreme905
    @memesupreme905 Před 3 lety +22

    REPETITION LEGITAMIZES!
    REPETITION LEGITAMIZES!
    REPETITION LEGITAMIZES!
    REPETITION LEGITAMIZES!
    REPETITION LEGITAMIZES!

    • @seheyt
      @seheyt Před 3 lety +8

      At first I thought that looked like a spelling error. But after a while it started to look like it was on purpose. [oh wait]

  • @yetanothermetaname1118
    @yetanothermetaname1118 Před 3 lety +4

    If David has Dorian, does Adam have Locrian? Who has Lydian?

  • @Kitsua
    @Kitsua Před 3 lety

    Another fabulous video. Thank you David.

  • @victor29rc
    @victor29rc Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for the video, Bruce!

  • @Martill3
    @Martill3 Před 3 lety +6

    Repetition legitimizes
    Repetition legitimizes
    Repetition legitimizes

  • @zacscalafini6545
    @zacscalafini6545 Před 3 lety +14

    The idea of repetition legitimizing long notes was on a “ Ten Commandments of performance”, given by my band teacher in high school.
    “ if you make an odd note, don’t stand up and say, sorry everybody, I messed up. They won’t know unless you tell them. if it is bad, they know it stands out already. Don’t make it a big deal. If we are in a repeat section . , try and duplicate that mistake in a more pleasing way. The audience may even be fooled into thinking it’s legit.”

  • @zusikopolski9225
    @zusikopolski9225 Před 3 lety +1

    I love this video so much! To the end my dear!

  • @FREIMUZIC
    @FREIMUZIC Před 3 lety

    Great video, David!!!!