How Nato can bolster Ukraine’s defences in five steps | Dr Marc DeVore
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- “The F16s have been in production since 1976. They have been built with four different radars. All the F16s we are providing to Ukraine are equipped with the original old radar.”
Senior lecturer at St Andrews University Dr Marc Devore breaks down the key five steps to bolster Ukraine's defences, including providing patriot defence system batteries and upgrading F16s.
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The Dutch F-16s all are block 20 MLU so they were updated around 2004 with the APG-66 radar which, while not as advanced as the latest APG-83, is still capable of using the AIM-120 at its maximum range and detection well beyond that. This is extremely easy to verify, so much for this guy's expertise...
Good info
Agree, he clearly doesn't understand how the platforms and weapons work.
@@tobiasrietveld3819 ha! Beat me to it. I just wrote a comment on how the MLU aircraft Ukraine will receive indeed fly with the apg66. But it’s the apg66V2. It’s upgraded and absolutely has a detection range from its main search modes of well beyond 60km. He said it can only detect fighter sized targets at 56km. I feel like this is common knowledge to most that know a little about military aviation
@@facsimile-io3dd Hi, Yep, when I was at school it was said that those who can, do . Those who can't do become teachers. Those who can't teach become Professors !
welcome to Times Radio!
Stop putting a preview at the front of clips. No-one is going to be encouraged to watch with that.
i think its silly to !!!
I hate it, or atleast make it shorter
I agree. Love your videos. This is pretty annoying.
It started over at 1:23. I paused it there long enough to make this reply. After submitting this I'm closing the video and moving on to something else.
Times Radio seems utterly bloody minded re doing this. I hope they eventually get the message that it is unhelpful and annoying.
Ukraine has been under equipped for the entirety of the war. They should have had 10 Patriot batteries by now. They need Taurus and other strike weapons including infrastructure and maintenance crews for new weapons including F-16. Engineering equipment is much needed too.
Its shameful the lack of respect NATO and most of european countries are showing towards Ukrainians.
I was under the impression that the Swedish radar planes have radars with a 350 km range. Wouldn't they be able to provide the F16 with the required targeting information?
400+ and yes they are fully integrated with Link 16 which is Nato's Link system.
It also have much more advanced Swedish Link System ( Sweden is the world leader when it comes to Datalink systems).
IF the Gripen would be allowed to be given to Ukraine (USA or somone else in the Fighter Coalition put the brakes on it) then Ukraine would also be able to use the Eyre Radar systems to the full extent.
@@danielkarlsson9326 100% Political sandbox in full swing behind the scenes here about the Gripen. Defense industrial billions at play, if Gripen would be very succesful, it could seriously shift some bottom numbers.
Strange.
To my knowledge danish f16 has been upgrated many times and they have been in active duty.
Im sure this guy knows his stuff but Im a bit baffled since Im Danish myself.
Maybe your country downdraged that planes for security reasons like incase if it were shotdown on the enemy territory? They could study the tech in it you know?
@@cristinemonicaheartdich2507 It's not the latest gear so downgrading it isn't necessary.
You are right. All 19 Danish F16s have MLU upgrade. He is just wrong. And from other comments I see that Dutch planes are also all at MLU upgrade. So they have a a much better radar APG-66 and electronics in general. These upgrades are as circa 2004-5.
I think he's just wrong. I've also heard the radars on these F16s isn't the worst. It's not the best but it's not the earliest version either. The European F16s should have relatively decent radars.
As far as I can figure out the Danish F-16s come with a version of the APG-66 radar with a range of app. 150 Km - I would guess that also applies to the Dutch F-16s, while not great it is good.
Ukraine is about to obtain f-16s with MLU package, so radar should be better, but not the best one.
At this point in time, the change of ROE for the defence of NATO airspace is really a no-brainer.
In the present situation it's like your two or three friends that are supposed to be guarding your back are allowing the dude you're fighting against to punch you from behind.
Totally unacceptable.
How does he know what block of F16 they are receiving and does he know if some of the software and hardware updates have been performed on them.
Listening to you is certainly an education. I learned that the west is not serious about supporting a win by Ukraine.
Unfortunately it seems a "far from my bed show" for them. Let their character ethic shine through. I know the Brits have it🧚
He obviously doesn't even know what version of the aircraft they're getting, so you can throw those assumptions out as counterfactual. They're getting versions with newer radar. Nobody's running "Block Zero" Vipers in 2024 in the West, unless it's some sort of flying trainer, maybe.
I'm glad you have this guest on. Also give us an option to skip the intro, there are some of us to whom this is extremely annoying. And when I say annoying I'm severely understated what I'm talking about. The muscle severely understating how glad I am about your guest. Thanks for the good interview
...simple truth in simple words....not that Zelensky didn't ask in first days of the war the sky to be closed ...clever man, wish to hear more from you
He’s actually wrong about the MLUs antenna. It is an apg66. But it’s an apg66V2. It is indeed upgraded and has a search and detection range of beyond the 56km he is quoting here.
While these donated F-16s are old they've been updated at regular intervals over the proceeding decades.
Do we have a stated goal yet, creeping up on 3 years with no stated goals over there.
Yes, we do have a goal, Lloyd Austin said it multiple times: to make sure Russia is no longer a threat to its neighbors.
Biden says the goal is for Ukraine to be victorious. He needs to stop f-ing around and give them what they need.
@user-yp3qg3km7s Who is we?
@cristianchelariu1707 That's not a goal that's a mission statement. So the goal is to dump as much money into Ukraine untill Russia gets bored? We are using those poor people to fight a the Western powers started. Ukraine can not defeat Russia with the man power they have. The UN will have to put boots on the ground.
As far as I Know the Dutch F-16s all had a mid-life upgrade. Wouldn't this have included replacing the original radar system with a more modern radar?
It did, and the danish prob aswel
Part of the Block 20 MLU was upgrading the APG-66 radar to allow for firing BVR missiles, not upgrading it to a newer version like the APG-83. But while itself can't engage AIM-120 missiles at their maximum range, this isn't as big of an issue as the guy makes it sound, as MLU also gave them Link 16. Ukraine wants to keep their F-16s planes as safe as possible anyway, so the most likely use scenario was always going to be that the fighter jets will just stay safely in the backlines or at low altitudes, firing at targets shared by the donated Saab 340 AEW&C planes or ground radars, well beyond it's own detection range.
Yes, this guy is only reading from wikipedia, he is just assuming things that he doesn't know
@@tobiasrietveld3819 I'm trying to figure out where you if "you" are a real person, are coming from.
My guess is, that since you seek to discredit the US acadrmic teaching at St. Andrews, you are just another botkin.
What do others think?
Ukraine got played
The Danish F-16s come with AN/APG-66(V)2 radar, the range should be app. 150 km - I believe the same is the case for the Dutch F-16s
Thanks Times Radio for being possibly the most consistent and comprehensive in following through this war of aggression.
Very grateful for a summary wirh the best talking points of the week,, tittled "your weekly summary" or the like🙏
-Let #Ukraine defend itself! 💙
If we don’t know that before the F-15 are even sent would be vary embarrassing on our part don’t you think.
Most of these F-16 aircraft were defending NATO borders as little as 5 to 6 years ago. They have DATA LINKS that connect the pilot to a DATA NETWORK, that pipes in air defense cues, flight vectors, locations, identifications and targeting from external sensors and data sources. These aircraft have not operated the way you suppose for a very long time.
They could upgrade from the F16A/B Block 15 Nato Mid Life Upgrade standard which was done in the late 90s to the latest Block 70 F16V standard. Like Taiwan did recently with their Block 20s (which were essentially new production Nato MLU avionics standard with some C/D model airframe components) . These avionics upgrades also formed the basis for the US's Common Configuration Implementation Program for F16C/D this century. But a more important issue is what airframe life do these ex Nato planes have left? They were built in the 80s and had some life extension with the MLU but it may be prohibitive in cost and possibly need new wings and other major components etc. to really allow a significant life extension. The Taiwan planes were built a decade+ later so upgrading them to Block 70 with the APG83 radars etc made sense. The MLU/Block 20 avionics are no slouch. They are better in many ways than standard C/D Block 30-50 production. Some export operators of C/D models are still on pre CCIP avionics! Taiwan F16A/B Block 20s in their training squadron in Arizona the last 28 years routinely beat US C/D models especially in the days before CCIP was rolled out across the US fleet.
HEAR! HEAR!!!!!!!
Upgrading the radars with AN/APG-83 SABR would be a good way to add a lot of utility to these older F-16s. They have already received some mid life upgrade packages to give decent overall capabilities. Some of the F-16s transferred to Ukraine are set up for SEAD with Have Glass coatings to reduce RCS a little bit. Since they will have access to those materials anyways, there should be no barrier to providing additional coating material sufficient to add to all of the other F-16s. A deep rebuild to block 70 standard probably isn't practical for Ukraine because it would be expensive and put those units out of availability for a long period of time. Since Ukraine is short on aircraft they can't really afford any further delays on F-16s and these mid grade models will have to suffice. But some upgrades should still be feasible without adding long delays either before or after delivery.
There are lots of other anti aircraft systems around. Take some off old frigates that are being scrapped.😊
Zelenski was a comedian, and he turned Russia into one big joke😂😂😂
if you tell this nonsense to Ukrainian soldiers they will do things to you 😉
@@jdoe4548 Russia losing to Ukraine and Ukraine hasn't even mobilized their men yet. And here in Russia, men are grabbed off the street and forced to fight😫
Zelenskiy was a good comedian, and he turned Russia into clown🤡🤡 one big joke after another LOL !@@
@@dpelpal oh boy, I can see it's that bad. that's no wonder given Ukraine has 4 times the population and uses those glide bombs non-stop!
@@dpelpalLeave drugs
Well, they are getting the two Swedish AWACS (not AWACS, the Saab). While two means they could with bad luck just lose them right away, and that they won't be up most of the time, but when they are part of a mission the F-16s should be able to use their data -- which also means the F-16s are not illuminating themselves with active radar. ?
If of course this is about the U.K. planning to buy the F-16s from the U.S., I don't think anyone will be stopping you. I am somewhat confused what this is about otherwise.
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5 steps ? More like 5 years
OKK---------. As long as the F-16's have taken to get there I hope they have Upgraded them to the latest APG-83 radars and self-defense jamer and targeting systems. The Wait would be worth it.
Poland and Romania's position was a surprise to me. Why would any sovereign nation let another nation fly military objects in its airspace without permission?
Ukraine really shouldn’t have snubbed Australia’s highly specked FA-18s two years ago. Those two squadrons were combat ready, without any restrictions on their use, and surprisingly Ukraine is asking Washington for older versions. The bureaucracy in Ukraine really did stuff up.
In other words the US can afford to fully equip Ukraine with the number Patriot missile batteries it needs.
Solutions are obvious and easy, but it says it all. The political will isn't there. NATO needs to wake up and implement these solutions.
#Peremoha .. 🔥🔥🔥
Political will huh. Really? Well Ime beside myself here? 2 ,1/2 years on, 1000s dead, and we still go on about Political will???
Don't neglect that the old Gepard tanks are effective for taking down drones.
czcams.com/video/tnjJYb5tydY/video.html
Only the low, slow drones. Won't work on high speed rockets and missiles.
I can’t believe NATO is allowing Russian missiles to transit through Polish and Romanian airspace to hit Ukraine. Ffs how is that not all over the news?
Can someone be anyone be less prepared and disorganized in making their point??? I was tuned out by minute 3.
It's all so discouraging. Meanwhile, people are dying. I really don't understand the timidity of the collective West, including Nato.
Western desperation 😅😅😅
These comments seem to be challenged by people who know
JAS Gripen would be better. What are your goal Usa?
Who is going to give them 40 or so Gripens?
It's a money laundering exercise
@@WJV9 not you lot
STOP previewing the videos at the beginning. I'm watching your videos less and less because of it.
BS their swiss AWAC detects and directs missiles.
I think the f16 radar problem isnt really problem cause pilots will be relyin on ground radar to help them shadow the su jets on russian side so they can still be helpful with shooting down anything released by russian as ukrainian pilots will be shadowin them on a horitzontal line along borders .. and will be kept updated of any release of missiles.. that saves russians getin hands on any updated radar equipment in anything shot down
I've made the same point about the F16 many times...it's NOT the plane that matter but its abilities, especially radar. Donor nations know this, so again, the West is giving out of guilt, NOT logical means. If both sides engaged in close engagement dogfights (merge), the F16 would be great but this isn't how the war is being operated. At best, the fighters we're giving them are good bombers but as for protecting themselves or defensive duty, they are indeed useless. It would have been a far smarter thing to give them Swedish Gripens with the much more modern radar and missile range. So many mistake shave been done early and this is the only reason why Russia is even still in the war.
I hope the F-16s have been upgraded and the Swedish radar planes will be another asset. It will be crucial to have additional air defense systems to protect those radar planes. What he was saying about the Patriot systems, if true, should not be news to NATO and specifically the Pentagon and White House. Why they are being piecemeal in transferring Patriots to Ukraine is just nonsense. After hearing Biden's speech at the NATO summit seems those systems should have been in Ukraine long before now.
The nasty Russians keeps blowing them up tho
They need to bring in Justin Bronck from RUSI. This bloke just doesn't know his tech!
I hope the presenter is mistaken about obsolete radars in the F-16 jets supplied to Ukraine. Surely the collective "West" has done better than this?
Ridiculoud
What a clueless guy. It is wrong that Ukraine has only two patriot. Germany has already deployed 3 Patriot in Ukraine. This is public information on the web site of the German and the Ukrainian defense ministry.
il faut que le monde entier cesse de refiler a l'Ukraine ses merdes et fournisse du vrai du bon matériel ! GRRRRRR
Keep feeding you Jack
Dr Devore should be more widely heard
Just a thought. Has anyone considered a bit of Jaw-Jaw? The War-war option doesn't seem to be doing any good for Ukraine. Oh I forgot! There's not much profit in Jaw-jaw.
Jaw Jaw is why Ukraine turned over it's nukes to Russia in return for Russia recognizing it territorial boundaries.
"No but the F-16 will be the real game changer"
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Analysis of the hospital incident:
Main Features:
The warhead (warhead) of the X-101 rocket contains ~415 (+- 15) kg of hexogen (hexal), which is equivalent in explosive power to approximately 700 kg of TNT. Rdx has a high detonation velocity and density, which makes it significantly more powerful than TNT per unit mass. At the same time, relatively few light fragments are formed from the X-101, please pay attention to the nature of the "fountains" on the brick wall of the house from the explosion, there are a lot of them, but the dust is knocked out slightly = a lot of weak fragments. When detonated, X101 forms fragments mainly from its own body - large and relatively slow and few are formed, well, secondary ones from nearby objects can be ignored in the calculation.
The facts of the incident:
The scale of the destruction: Only one entrance of the building fell, there is no funnel, which indicates a low-power explosion. Despite this, dense fragmentation lesions of the house are clearly visible on the video, which indicate a significant number of fragments formed.
The nature of the explosion: The explosion was fragmentary, but weakly expressed in terms of destructive force. The fireball was round and full-fledged, which confirms the regular detonation of the rocket.
Comparison with fabs: The consequences of the explosion of """"X-101"""" in the hospital are much weaker compared to FAB aircraft bombs, despite the seemingly large warhead. For example, FAB-100 is 7-8 times weaker than X-101, and FAB-250 is about 5 times weaker. This is confirmed by the video from the consequences of the explosions of these bombs on similar buildings, where much less remains of the buildings and large craters are visible.
Video effects:
1.Video of the explosion of FAB-250/500: The video shows that after the explosion of such bombs, little remains of the building and the funnel is clearly visible. This is in stark contrast to the incident related to """"X-101"""", given that the building is similar, and the bomb is 5 times weaker than X101.
2.Video of the arrival of the FAB-250: The AFU camera captures the arrival of a high-explosive aerial bomb (FAB 250) - deaths, concussions, wounds by an explosive wave in the room are visible on the face. But video from inside the hospital immediately after the explosion demonstrates that people stay on their feet, talk and hear each other without hearing protection. This is very different from the second video, where a soldier in armor, helmet and hearing protection falls from an explosion that was 5 times weaker at the same distance.
Conclusion:
The explosion in the hospital is 100% consistent with the explosion of the warhead of the AIM-120A air defense missile with 25 kg of explosive having a TNT equivalent of 1.34. This is confirmed by the observed consequences (a lot of fragments, a weak explosion) and video footage. I have given arguments and proofs of my point of view, which are very difficult or even impossible to fake, not like a cropped photo of a rocket. But judge, think, of course, for yourself.
Yep, it's 100% consistent that surface to air (modified air to air) missile hit ground structure. Happens all the time.
The Ukrainians are not claiming that a FAB of any size hit the hospital, they suspect it's a Kh-101
@@hexagontactical You also said 5 Himars were destroyed yesterday, so maybe your word salad analysis isn't exactly accurate. Deny war crimes, support evil.
You're one of the worse people I've come across on CZcams.
CZcams is being restricted and slowed down in your country tomorrow. It may be banned by September. You are becoming more like Kim Jong's subjects every day. Soon your people will jump across walls to get into NATO states, just like before.
@@hexagontactical czcams.com/users/liveEYHO8MmAzcU?si=ai8lG_75UdAQlGt1
@@hexagontactical "Think for yourself" said the man from a country with one of the most restrictive media in the world, openly supporting war crimes
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 bud you don't have a clue
But is it as good as a flying shovel, that’s the question
F16 will transform into the Abram tank
it doesn’t matter whether the planes are old or new, the main thing is that European countries are directly involved in a military conflict with Russia
Indirectly involved not directly involved
A Shaheed drone may only cost $50 000 to $250 000 each, while a Patriot missile is a million, BUT, what's the cost of repairing or replacing the target it hits? This must be considered and as such, spending a million for a Patriot to shoot down a cheaper drone can be considered economical, as that's not mentioning the human lives it saves. The US has plenty of Patriots and we've known this, so to give Ukraine only 2, after all this time, is criminal in itself. But it's not our people being killed, so the West doesn't really care all that much it seems.
The Ukrainians are not using the patriots to shoot down Shaheed drones.
NATO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
NCSWIC NOTHING
Not the best from Times Radio, at least for me. Actually this is embarrassing 👎
I think this guy is somewhat misinformed.
You do NOT understand the subject you are dealing with
how can u be so wrong marc devore?
Russia can shot down F-16s too
No
@@neededtruth9764 Why do you say no? I bet you also thought the Abrams tank would be a game changer for ukraine as well when the reality is that they are so useless that they have had to be withdrawn from the front line to avoid more losses! Nato is fighting a first world power, not men in sandals, and you can bet that they have been working out effective ways of countering F16s for many years.
Right
@@dacorum8053 Russia can only kills children and bombs hospitals
this is joke😀
Nice grammar, Ivan.
It won't be once the F16's get into action
yet another Western gamechanger. yawn
@@boink800 The war will be over by the time they get them!
Send in the Daleks for the win
Are any of those export order patriot systems ukraine needs heading to russia or china???
I agree about the previews. They are moronic.
NO NO NO dude your news is out of date !!!