Why the UK’s Tax System is Broken

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    Despite a recent National Insurance freeze, the country's tax burden has reached a 40-year peak, straining public services. But the issue may lie in the dysfunctional tax system rather than the tax burden itself.
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  • @lewismacleod7099
    @lewismacleod7099 Před 8 měsíci +1407

    The tax system is not broken, it's working exactly as intended, and it's intention is to keep power and wealth in the hands of the already wealthy.

    • @christopherspriggs4179
      @christopherspriggs4179 Před 8 měsíci

      Exactly, it’s designed to be confusing so people can’t see it’s literally stealing from the poor and giving to the rich.

    • @Athanael777
      @Athanael777 Před 8 měsíci +44

      🎯

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz Před 8 měsíci +46

      Not just that, London is a financial center, which requires favorable laws in favor of wealth

    • @toyotaprius79
      @toyotaprius79 Před 8 měsíci +11

      ​@@tomlxyzLondon is *THE* global financial centre...

    • @LastBrigadier
      @LastBrigadier Před 8 měsíci +23

      Hehe, all taxation is theft.

  • @yetsin92
    @yetsin92 Před 8 měsíci +226

    As a note, Council Tax also is paid by the occupier of a property not the owner. Meaning those that do not have the wealth to own a home are also the ones paying that tax if they rent a home. All the tax, none of the benefit it's based on

    • @georgemoschos768
      @georgemoschos768 Před 8 měsíci +9

      I was wondering why this was not mentioned as is so obvious, and usually the occupier is poor as you say.

    • @leemactavish3104
      @leemactavish3104 Před 8 měsíci +5

      None of the benefit, you are living in that expensive house. If I lease a Aston Martin I would still have to pay the extra road tax as car worth more than 45k even though I don't own it.

    • @skp8748
      @skp8748 Před 8 měsíci +19

      ​@@leemactavish3104Wrong. Expensive doesn't mean better. Property prices are being artificially inflated especially in London.
      So you live in a 1 bedroom flat on an estate in Islington and work as a paralegal or admin for the council you're pay 10% of your salary JUST on council tax
      You recieve none of the benefits of the increased property value... the landlords is making the wealth and passing the burden of tax to the tenant whos ALSO paying for the mortgage + profit monthly.... So the person without wealth is being taxed based on wealth and paying for it out of income... the person with wealth is not being taxed on that wealth and is actually funding that wealth via the income of another..😂

    • @leemactavish3104
      @leemactavish3104 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @skp8748 No, expensive doesn't necessarily mean better ofcourse but they are other things to think about my bungalow with a very good sized garden would be cheaper than some flats in London but I don't have all the benefits of being within walking tube ride away from all that London has to offer. So the tenant is still getting all the benefits of living in that expensive house so be it that is more about location rather than the house.

    • @ChrisPepper1989
      @ChrisPepper1989 Před 8 měsíci +6

      Although I partially agree that the tennant gets some benefits from being in that house
      It completely defeats the point of having a tax that is on paper meant to be *asset* based.
      In a more well thought out economy the asset tax would tax the asset owner and then perhaps there would be a separate council 'charge' that might be maintenance based to pay towards bins etc
      But in the point you make about "area benefits" like closeness the tube etc, they are already paying that in the rent which will undoubtedly take that into account and be higher due to closer amenities

  • @squirrel9999
    @squirrel9999 Před 8 měsíci +506

    Tony Blair avoided £312,000 in stamp duty by buying an offshore firm that owned the property. What a joke when even former prime ministers game the system.

    • @daveogfans413
      @daveogfans413 Před 8 měsíci +22

      red tories...

    • @doxologist
      @doxologist Před 8 měsíci +9

      Honest question. If you were in his shoes and wanted to buy the same property, what would you have done?

    • @daveogfans413
      @daveogfans413 Před 8 měsíci +37

      @@doxologist The point is that he knows about it because he used it and therefore wasn't going to change it.
      It was his choice not to do so.

    • @sejanus855
      @sejanus855 Před 8 měsíci +16

      ​@@doxologist
      Well obviously everyone would have done it, but even more obviously it showcases a hole in the legaslation which would need a fix

    • @alexpetrov5461
      @alexpetrov5461 Před 8 měsíci +7

      ​@@doxologistThere are plenty of examples of pretty damn wealthy people going out of their way to pay MORE tax because of stupid things like "morals" and "loving your country". (Halli Thorleifsson as an example)

  • @lucass9779
    @lucass9779 Před 8 měsíci +319

    The most unfair thing is that even if you pay 40% of income tax (or correctly saying if you reach 40% tax band) you may still not be able to afford any flat in London :/

    • @BanterRanterr
      @BanterRanterr Před 8 měsíci +20

      Incom tax band system needs drastic reforms 40% is simply not fair 😑

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Your income tax rate was your capital gains tax rate the top rate until 2008, when Gordon Brown changed the rate to 18% for all taxpayers.[

    • @Yawnymcsnore
      @Yawnymcsnore Před 8 měsíci +5

      And that is because of unrestricted immigration

    • @BanterRanterr
      @BanterRanterr Před 8 měsíci +42

      @@Yawnymcsnore 😅🤦‍♂️

    • @_KRYMZN_
      @_KRYMZN_ Před 8 měsíci +72

      @@Yawnymcsnoreimmigration can explain literally ANYTHING for some people can’t it 💀

  • @0Edm0
    @0Edm0 Před 8 měsíci +127

    How's the Council tax a wealth tax? It's paid by the tenants and the landlords don't pay a penny! If you have loads of houses and all rented out, none of the wealth is taxed by the council tax.

    • @TheHorzabora
      @TheHorzabora Před 8 měsíci

      A lucky few do own houses, and not all of them are over the age of 60! Nor do they all own multiple properties. I’d bet the majority is still people owning their own home, behind renters, of course.
      (And even if they do fall into either category, they still pay something, no matter how little - unless the landlord is also renting themselves.)

    • @mikecook1537
      @mikecook1537 Před 8 měsíci

      You could do the same with buy to let. Why is that a bad thing?

    • @SaintGerbilUK
      @SaintGerbilUK Před 8 měsíci +1

      I did have a place where council tax was included in the rent, but it then turned out the landlord was dodging paying it and went to prison.
      I'm also going back like 20 years so maybe she's out now.

    • @mutton_man
      @mutton_man Před 8 měsíci

      The tax bands are not progressive anymore. Someone with a standard house is paying the same amount of council tax as someone with a 30mil house.

    • @youngwt1
      @youngwt1 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Because it’s relative to the value of the home, flats pay less than mansions. It’s not a great one though, if you pay off your mortgage on a big house you still have to pay a lot when you retire even though your incomes dropped

  • @christopherspriggs4179
    @christopherspriggs4179 Před 8 měsíci +99

    It’s purposefully designed to be too confusing for the poor whilst it steals from them and gives to the already rich. It’s working exactly how it’s intended and it’s not going to change.

    • @LastBrigadier
      @LastBrigadier Před 8 měsíci

      Well that is half-true, it doesn't give to the rich, the taxes are taken equally and then thrown into money-pits such as the NHS, police or more retarded paper-bullshit they call bureocracy or whatever.

  • @pritapp788
    @pritapp788 Před 8 měsíci +16

    A British fellow - Briton married to a member of my family - visited us in 2022. He is a well spoken, educated, learned guy. Has a good job but is not swimming in a pool of wealth either. When he told us about what % of his income gets taxed, we were shocked. In my country we like to complain about paying 10-12% of our income in taxes and contributions, but his was in the 40-45% range! There would be revolt here if we had to pay that much for crumbling hospitals and schools.
    Blatantly clear that the UK has excessive taxation on middle class incomes and almost none on wealth/inheritance. Workers keep getting squeezed while CEOs and pensioners keep seeing their incomes rise, it's not a bug of the system but how it's designed to work by the Conservatives.

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 Před 8 měsíci

      The pensioner part is heading for crisis. We set up a law known as the 'triple lock' in 2010 as a very transparent (and very successful) way to win the pensioner vote for the Tory party. It's a binding guarantee that ensures the state pension will rise, every year, at a rate that at a minimum keeps pace with inflation and often exceeds it. The government said "Vote for us and we will make sure you get more money!" and promptly upwards of sixty percent of retirees voted for them. The policy is unsustainable, though - after twelve years of the annual increase, that pension is now costing the government more than every other state benefit payment added together, and still going up fast. It's quickly becoming unaffordable, but the government dare not even suggest the possibility of removing it because without the full support of the retired or soon-to-retire demographic their electoral chances would be sharply reduced.

    • @aceman0000099
      @aceman0000099 Před 6 měsíci

      He can't be taxed 45%. That level only applies to earnings above £125,140. So if he earns 130,000 then he'll pay 45% of the £4,860 above that bracket, and 40% of the bracket below that and so on, and the net pay is £79,178 with £44,703 paid in tax. So he gets to keep more than 60% of his earnings

    • @paullarne
      @paullarne Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@aceman0000099 You're forgetting National Insurance and all the taxes on spending. The government goes quite far into our pockets.

    • @aceman0000099
      @aceman0000099 Před 5 měsíci

      @@paullarne I don't see VAT as a tax on my spending, it's more like a tax on selling that shops pass onto us

  • @lyallselfbuild6597
    @lyallselfbuild6597 Před 8 měsíci +44

    The example with the gingerbread man was incorrectly stated as being exempt from VAT, but the gingerbread is taxable to VAT at zero percent. There is a big difference between exempt and zero-rated items.

    • @dangriff12
      @dangriff12 Před 8 měsíci +4

      What's the big difference?

    • @MattRyan1
      @MattRyan1 Před 8 měsíci +18

      ​@@dangriff12 In general you cannot reclaim the VAT you pay on the expenses used to create/provide exempt supplies unless the exempt part of the business is very small, but you can reclaim that VAT on expenses used to make taxable supplies (including those with zero rate). If you only have exempt supplies in your business you cannot register at all.

    • @campeador3812
      @campeador3812 Před 8 měsíci +1

      what the hell does that even mean?

    • @PakiRaja
      @PakiRaja Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@campeador3812 that the tax system is confusing as fark

    • @MrNicoJac
      @MrNicoJac Před 8 měsíci

      @@MattRyan1
      But.... you cannot reclaim the VAT on your taxable supplies if they're rated at 0% tax, right?
      So at the end of the day, it still comes down to the same amount of money?

  • @griflet1
    @griflet1 Před 8 měsíci +65

    'EU regulates too much'... 'gingerbread men VAT differs based on the chocolate decorations'

    • @robertmazurowski5974
      @robertmazurowski5974 Před 8 měsíci +8

      This is literally a law that is created aby lobbying, for a particular company and particular products

    • @alastairhoffmann9079
      @alastairhoffmann9079 Před 8 měsíci

      VAT is an EU based tax, but many issues arise in the UK from historic zero rate exemptions derived from the previous purchase tax regime - food, childrens' clothes, rent, etc - that were implemented with VAT in the 1970s. The main one people see is the difference between confectionery (chocolate biscuits, etc) and Food (eg Jaffa cakes) which are standard and zero rated respectively. The difficulties come with certain types of transactions - primarily bank charges and interest, but many others which are exempt supplies - ie outside scope of VAT rather than zero rated - as if you make this type of supply you cannot recover input VAT you pay. If you make mixed supplies (standard, zero rated and exempt supplies) then there are some quite complex calculations on VAT to be done, however most organisations in this area are large enough to employ experts to help.
      Then you can add in the complexities of EU VAT as it is quite normal if you are a business exporting to countries in the EU to have to register for VAT in one or more countries. Each country has different rates, rules and reporting requirements - all of which ensure you need help to get it right.

  • @dubbelosexy
    @dubbelosexy Před 8 měsíci +21

    In the Netherlands, there was a debate about lowering the VAT on fruits and vegetables. To promote more healthy eating. That got postponed because of a bs excuse what we should label as fruits and vegetables. Is tomato on a pizza counted as a vegetable. Or apple syrup a fruit. Making what is a simple solution, deliberately complicated.

    • @SevenEllen
      @SevenEllen Před 8 měsíci +1

      You're not wrong that the bs excuse is just that when they're thinking of tomatoes as vegetables or apply syrup as fruits in the first place.

  • @thelitterbug7624
    @thelitterbug7624 Před 8 měsíci +145

    The argument regarding smoking of “it encourages healthiness” vs “infringement of personal freedom” is void in a country with a national health service. You’re free to ruin your health of course! But not at the tax payers expense (for context I am a smoker but acknowledge that I shouldn’t expect others to pay for my mistakes)

    • @SaintGerbilUK
      @SaintGerbilUK Před 8 měsíci

      Yes but why stop there?
      Ban fatty food, to combat obesity.
      Ban dangerous sports to reduce injuries.
      Serious illness can be treated with death to cut costs.
      And suddenly it's not really a good life anymore living in a padded room eating healthy slop to promote long healthy life's of absolute misery but don't worry we can give you cheap anti-depressants too.
      Where's the limiting factor?
      Many drugs are already illegal yet if you're dropped off at an A&E ODing they still treat you.

    • @DoctorRetina
      @DoctorRetina Před 8 měsíci +10

      Yes, but people living in greater deprivation are more likely to smoke.
      Therefore it is by extension a tax on the poor.
      Same would apply to the sugar tax.
      Same applies to playing the national lottery.
      These are all taxes that tax the poor.

    • @jamespayter6948
      @jamespayter6948 Před 8 měsíci +13

      That is an excellent point, but I wonder how far the government would need to go with it. For example, people who don't exercise at least twice a week are at risk of more diseases than people who do; people who choose to play on a computer instead of doing another hobby are more at risk of eye diseases; people who eat generally healthily and are a healthy weight, but who choose to eat a lot of smoked food are at a higher risk of colon cancer.
      There's a myriad of lifestyle choices that directly affect what diseases we could develop.

    • @matthewkheyfets1309
      @matthewkheyfets1309 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@DoctorRetinatrue...but then why should everyone pay into this if they aren't going to try and keep healthy? It's like communism in a mini way when someone says well it's paid for, I can do what I want and doctors are all paid for...that's not exactly fair

    • @SaintGerbilUK
      @SaintGerbilUK Před 8 měsíci

      @@DoctorRetina that's complete nonsense you can't opt out of taxes you can opt out of smoking and the national lottery.
      You can't protect people from their own bad decisions, you wouldn't want national lottery winners to give their winnings back even if it does regularly result in the "winners" destroying their own lives.

  • @ilia2178
    @ilia2178 Před 8 měsíci +11

    A personal allowance and a flat tax rate for everyone would work if everyone actually paid the tax and did not use countless loopholes. As somebody who clawed their way out of poverty by running a small business I have no incentive to grow and hire more people. It almost feels punitive. So I'll either move or optimize my business for taxes rather than growth.

  • @JZef
    @JZef Před 8 měsíci +72

    If MPs have enough time to write gingerbread man specific laws... they have way too much time!

    • @A.D.540
      @A.D.540 Před 8 měsíci +2

      our MP is The Muffin Man he took cookie degree

    • @nielskorpel8860
      @nielskorpel8860 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Or maybe they use it incorrectly. There are big things going on in the world that could require their attention.

    • @LastBrigadier
      @LastBrigadier Před 8 měsíci

      That is why humans don't make laws.

    • @NorthDownReader
      @NorthDownReader Před 8 měsíci +2

      "If MPs have enough time to write gingerbread man specific laws... they have way too much time!"
      Food is VAT free, treats and dining out are not. They are making a meal of setting the boundary between the categories. Meanwhile, across most of the EU, there isn't zero rate for food. Maybe we should do what the rest of Europe does?

    • @resiplayerz
      @resiplayerz Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@NorthDownReader Why should we copy Europe? Even after all the food inflation that we've had we still have some of the cheapest food bills in Europe accroding to the BBC. Slapping 10-15% VAT on food would be a mistake that harms the poorest in society who spend a larger proportion of their income on food.

  • @laurynasjagelo5075
    @laurynasjagelo5075 Před 8 měsíci +34

    It's ironic that the folk who make up the tax laws are some of the most wealthiest individuals. So wealthy in fact, it'd be a struggle to spend the money in few lifetimes.

  • @AllyJane44
    @AllyJane44 Před 8 měsíci +12

    I am an accountancy student that just sat a personal tax exam covering these topics (UK only). I believe a big issue is the jump from paying 20% to 40% tax at an income of just £37,700. In the current climate (cost of living, housing crisis etc), this is so much lower IMO than the band for 40% really should be! Especially as anybody earning like under 35k in the UK is classed as on the poverty line these days... but funnily enough then it only jumps another 5% for the super super rich. Why are we not taxing the rich MUCH higher than this, and increasing the mid rate band in line with inflation and wage increases? I dont recall seeing these bands increase for a while (correct me if i'm wrong)

    • @tomw3102
      @tomw3102 Před 8 měsíci +8

      as someone who moved abroad to avoid taxes, taxing the super-rich doesn't work, they'll just leave lol. any form of taxation is theft, its easy to try and pass the tax on to higher income people but when you get to that level yourself you'll be doing everything you can to avoid it too. its a poor mentality

    • @chrishan9138
      @chrishan9138 Před 8 měsíci +2

      ALL tax bands have significantly lagged inflation and ALL tax bands kick in far lower than they should.
      How much higher do you want the 45% to be? At that point why are you even chasing income tax instead of wealth tax?

    • @thedeemon
      @thedeemon Před 8 měsíci

      The 45% threshold just moved from 150k to 125k though. Also, are you saying half the country is or below on the poverty line?

    • @jommydavi2197
      @jommydavi2197 Před 8 měsíci +1

      37,700 @20% on top of 12,570 personal allowance @0%

    • @harrytabiner
      @harrytabiner Před 8 měsíci +1

      125k is not 'super rich'.

  • @treecrusher
    @treecrusher Před 8 měsíci +6

    So, I earn a dollar which I only net 60 cents of it in my bank. I then invest my sixty cents and turn it back into a dollar, but now you want to tax that too. Here’s an idea, reduce spending and make people pay their own way, then you won’t need as much tax. People need to realise they can’t keep on voting more and more of other people’s money into their pockets. Most people don’t mind paying an equal amount, but people can’t look over the fence, see someone with more and decide to take a disproportionate amount simply because they have more. If we keep this up society will start to break down and we will head for revolution, the west is unfortunately heading in this direction.

  • @reheyesd8666
    @reheyesd8666 Před 8 měsíci +31

    My wages are taxed i am then taxed for buying the basics like food and cleaning products. Taxed for services i dont use, forced to pay national insurance when i wont even get a state pension when i am older. Taxed my car and taxed when i repair my xar because of potholes my tax was suppose to fix.
    Yeah, the tax system is broken beyond belief.

    • @bt3743
      @bt3743 Před 8 měsíci +5

      And at the end of it all. You don't even get reliable puvlic services out of it

    • @DrBlack1987
      @DrBlack1987 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Your employer is also taxed to employ you then taxed on their profits they earn all whilst collecting tax for the government. Many don’t realise their employer pays a separate NI contribution as a tax to employ you and then has to pay your tax to hmrc as well as vat and the companies tax. They then have to pay somebody to calculate all this as they are fined if it’s incorrect.

    • @NorthDownReader
      @NorthDownReader Před 8 měsíci

      "i am then taxed for buying the basics like food"
      There is zero VAT on food, unless you eat junk or eat out.

    • @reheyesd8666
      @reheyesd8666 Před 8 měsíci

      @@DrBlack1987 huge tax breaks and subsidies though. That negates a lot of it.
      So I get taxed to pay my own wages.

    • @DrBlack1987
      @DrBlack1987 Před 8 měsíci

      @@reheyesd8666 as does the employer they also get taxed on their personal income.

  • @SickPrid3
    @SickPrid3 Před 8 měsíci +7

    I never understood the council tax
    why funding the services like trash collection has to be tied to a value of the house?
    there are so many off the shelf solutions to actually charge people for how much trash they produce but I guess that would mean a lot less money for the councils , and they don't want that

    • @IAMMARTICUS1470
      @IAMMARTICUS1470 Před 6 měsíci

      The idea is that the poorest households can’t afford to contribute as much to local services, so the wealthier will help out with a bit extra. Perfectly fine and reasonable, but of course in reality it just means bigger tax receipts for councils which then promptly get squandered on shite nobody asked for.

    • @akhusal
      @akhusal Před 3 měsíci

      Mansions and second homes take up valuable living space when there are so many children in temporary accommodation.

  • @foxyboiiyt3332
    @foxyboiiyt3332 Před 8 měsíci +49

    Very richest don't pay enough taxes. PM is a billionaire. Coincidence?

    • @HShango
      @HShango Před 8 měsíci

      Picked by Tory MPs and voted in as MP by the Yorkshire constituents.

    • @archiemcberry7102
      @archiemcberry7102 Před 8 měsíci +2

      The richest are the backbone of the economy. We need the rich to grow the country.

    • @Iltazyara
      @Iltazyara Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@archiemcberry7102 Yeah, Trickle Down Economics have *totally* worked out for... literally no one.
      Stop parroting the lies of idiots.

    • @rappakalja5295
      @rappakalja5295 Před 8 měsíci +28

      ​@@archiemcberry7102The WORKERS are the backbone of every single economy. You do not gain anything from licking boots.

    • @mikecook1537
      @mikecook1537 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Very rich people are just clever with money. Why would anyone want to give their money away?

  • @NotAFrog
    @NotAFrog Před 8 měsíci +44

    A broken tax system such as this one is an indicator for a decades-long success of conservative policymaking. This is how hierarchy in society is most effectively being preserved.

  • @tasty_fish
    @tasty_fish Před 8 měsíci +22

    Don’t get me started on the High Income Child Benefit Charge. Why does a couple with a joint income up to £100,000 qualify for full Child Benefit (also, as a father of twins my ‘second’ child penalised us with a 10% reduction even though we had little say in having multiple births unlike someone who actually plans to have more children) but I, as someone earning over £60,000 alone, gets nothing? I already pay enough taxes and my personal allowance has shrunk to about £3k. I’ve not always earned this amount so we’re hardly super-rich. One issue with the tax system is that it is based on the short-term. Why not a tax system that bases your tax on earnings over say 5 years, with tax returns completed every 5 years?

    • @tobsstone
      @tobsstone Před 8 měsíci +3

      Why should anyone pay for your children at all? Child benefit should be scrapped.

    • @Starstung
      @Starstung Před 8 měsíci +3

      ​@@tobsstone Childless pay astronomical amounts of council tax for other people children, adult social care and elderly care - roughly 66-75% of the budget. Birthrate is falling in 1st world so child benefit should actually be universal and not means tested.

    • @themexicannon
      @themexicannon Před 8 měsíci +1

      Child benefit eligibility is not based on joint income. If either parent, living in the same home, earns over £50k then the High Income Child Benefit Charge (HICB) kicks in. If people want a state pension and public social care when they're older then I'd argue that it's important to financially incentivise parents to have children; they're an investment in the country's future

    • @yueli1905
      @yueli1905 Před 8 měsíci

      The main issue is that High Income Child Benefit Charge (HICB) is not weighted for London. £50-60k in London is quite an achievable salary, especially at a typical child-bearing age of 30+, with 10+ years of work experience. However many Londoners could do with the aid of child benefit at this salary, whereas those outside would be doing comparatively better.

    • @letter1014
      @letter1014 Před 2 měsíci

      This is getting fixed.

  • @jeremymanson1781
    @jeremymanson1781 Před 8 měsíci +7

    Remove all tax on business profits!
    At first glance taxing profits seems like a no-brainer. However many large foreign corporations can avoid paying tax on 'profits' by arranging the profits to arise in territories with lower tax rates. Meanwhile a UK small business has to pay regardless. In addition it is easy enough to manipulate 'profits' with the use of provisions and many other tricks of the trade. So why not level the playing field and instead of taxing 'profits', tax the recipents of any form of wealth transfers and extraction, via requiring businesses to pay witholding taxes. The recipient of the wealth transfer or extraction can then make a case for why they may be eligible for a tax refund. There would also need to be a tax on idle funds - otherwise a business can simply store up the now tax-free profits, rather than distributing them, and prevent funds being used productively.

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 Před 8 měsíci +2

      That doesn't work either - there are ways of avoiding those taxes too. Many of the exceptionally wealthy are actually near-pennyless on paper, or in constant debt, for tax purposes.
      Let's say, for example, that you are a rich bastard and you want to buy a new super-yacht. Now, the obvious way to do that would be to take a big salary from your company, but that means paying income tax. Or you could sell those stock options, but then you're paying capital gains tax. No, taxes are for poor people! So, instead of having the money yourself, you move all your personal earnings via an offshore account. Switzerland is traditionally best-known for this, but the modern bastard might favor Panama. You can't use that directly, because then you'd be paying tax, but that's ok: You talk to your accountant, and they set up a new company for you in Bermuda, and 'invest' a chunk of your offshore money in it. That company then buys the yacht for you, hires the crew, and handles all the ship registration stuff. Then the company rents it to you! You pay a token rent or the use of the ship. But at no point do you own it, or use your own income to buy it.
      All perfectly legal.

    • @jeremymanson1781
      @jeremymanson1781 Před 8 měsíci

      @@vylbird8014 its the 'move all your earnings' bit where witholding taxes kick in. Nothing gets 'moved' whatever it is without deduction of witholding tax.

  • @josiahpt1
    @josiahpt1 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I live in Burnley and didn’t realise how much we got fcked by the council tax system

    • @weirding_123
      @weirding_123 Před 8 měsíci

      Highest band council tax in Kensington roughly£2850, highest in Burnley roughly £4480, council tax is beyond broken

  • @Miamcoline
    @Miamcoline Před 8 měsíci

    Really interesting and helpful. Thank you!

  • @MrHws5mp
    @MrHws5mp Před 8 měsíci +45

    The problem with a wealth tax that includes the properties that people live in is that houses are not a liquid asset that can be used, in part, to pay an annual tax. Say, for instance, you have a low-paid family whose grandparents bought the house 80 years ago and whose parents finished paying off the mortgage 40 years ago. The value of that house will have appreciated out of all proportion to the earnings of the current generation occupying it, so if you suddenly hike up their taxes because their house makes them 'rich', where are they going to find the cash to pay the taxes from? Forcing them to sell up and move to a cheaper house is cruel and disruptive, and that presupposes that the cheaper house even exists in their area, which it may not do: after all, every house in the area will have experienced the same price appreciation as theirs.

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 Před 8 měsíci +17

      Indeed, thankfully most proposals, while still flawed, do grant an exemption for owner occupied properties.

    • @TheMajorpickle01
      @TheMajorpickle01 Před 8 měsíci +13

      I don't agree forcing them to move to a smaller house is bad. If they can't afford the tax, so be it. We already have working class renters barely able to afford to live but I'm supposed to feel sorry about someone who inherited say a £800k house from thier grandparents? Why should they get an exemption when they didn't work for that house?

    • @MrHws5mp
      @MrHws5mp Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@TheMajorpickle01 The chances are that most of the houses in their area are about the same price, so you're going to force them out of the area, into a poorer one, potentially affecting the parents' employment, their support networks and the children's education. Why should the kids be forced to go to a worse school because their parents inherited a house? It's a recipe for ghettoization and decreased social mobility.

    • @zenkrypt6577
      @zenkrypt6577 Před 8 měsíci +10

      ​@@TheMajorpickle01because their family worked hard for it? Why would I want to work hard for my family, and the government doesn't allow it? Inheritance tax needs to be abolished.

    • @altrag
      @altrag Před 8 měsíci

      @@zenkrypt6577 Why should your kid work at all if they can just live off your wealth?
      Of course I doubt you're in the category of people that are the problem. You probably are looking at maybe 50-100k you can pass along to your kids, maybe your house if you were around back when getting one was realistic.
      You're not really the problem (and most inheritance taxes have bounds for exactly that reason). The problem is when Elon Musk leaves $100bn to his kids. Its bad enough that he's taken that money out of the economy for his lifetime, but without an inheritance tax its effectively removed from the economy forever. You start getting even a few dozen people in that sort of wealth bracket all hording their money for _generations_ and it does serious damage.
      Money needs to circulate in order for the economy to function. Inheritance tax is one way to help that along even if it only helps once every 20-50 years.
      But hey, if you'd rather accomplish that goal with a wealth tax then sure we can drop the inheritance tax - you'll be cycling your horded cash back into the economy every year rather than only once a generation.

  • @giantWario
    @giantWario Před 8 měsíci +3

    Wait, you pay *more* tax in the UK if you have kids? Isn't that the opposite pretty much everywhere else?

  • @DuncanAtkinson
    @DuncanAtkinson Před 8 měsíci

    Great video guys 👍 well done

  • @andrewharrison8436
    @andrewharrison8436 Před 8 měsíci +5

    I had my own 1 man company - a situation long "known" to be a tax abuse, hence various legislative changes to crackdown on this abuse. A great generator of sound bites for chancelors.
    As you move between categories the tax rate changes, the employed do worst, self employed can offset some costs, one man companies have control over company pension contributions and can take some income as dividends but to really take the biscuit you need to be a director of a public limited company, forget salary look at share incentives instead.
    Glad to see child benefit mentioned but I would go further and classify all reductions in mean tested benefits as tax then the marginal tax rate at some low levels of pay becomes huge.

  • @NorthDownReader
    @NorthDownReader Před 8 měsíci +7

    Effective: "bring in as much revenue as possible"
    Nope - Optimum isn't the same as maximum - ask an economist. Or maybe you are one of those who thinks that more of your money should be in the hands of the government, because they handle it so well.

    • @altrag
      @altrag Před 8 měsíci

      > you are one of those who
      Its got nothing to do with personal preference. We have data for these things. We can see where the optimum is (within statistical error bars) and - shockingly - it doesn't lie where the rich people who want to get richer at your expense tell you it lies.
      Government is not the problem. They generally handle money just as well as anyone else. The idea that government is inefficient is a fiction brought in by the neolibs back in the 1980s in order to sell you (or more likely your parents) on the idea that if we give all our money to the already-wealthy, they'll be kind enough to give it back again despite having absolutely no incentive to do so beyond an appeal to ideology.
      Guess what? They aren't. Turns out greedy people are still greedy no matter how much you give them.
      Certainly the government isn't the most efficient at _everything,_ but they're at least as efficient - and often more efficient - at plenty of things. Primarily they're more efficient at things where money is not the sole important factor. Corporations are explicitly designed to only care about money and if you put them in charge of something with non-monetary interest (say, healthcare or education) they will entirely ignore that interest.
      You can _force_ them to pay attention to that interest by paying them to do so (making it about money again), but that almost always costs more than just doing it directly. They have to make a profit after all so you end up paying a similar base cost for the thing in question _plus_ an extra 10-20% markup.
      The only thing companies are consistently more "efficient" at than government is wages. Government jobs tend to always pay a livable wage with decent benefits no matter what the comparable industry standard is. Companies on the other hand will always find ways to ensure wages are as low as they possibly can get. Unions help counteract that but that's again just paying an extra markup on something the government would be doing anyway.
      No one "pure" system is always right. Capitalism is no exception (and the modern "corporatist" rendition of capitalism even less so).

    • @andrewharrison8436
      @andrewharrison8436 Před 8 měsíci

      Yes, I think that's not well expressed. Effective, to me, includes things like cost of collection, difficulty of avoiding it, adminstrative costs of paying it. However there is a valid point that increasing tax rates beyond some point does reduce takings - which, arguably, might not always be a bad thing e.g. if high tobacco tax reduces cigarette sales.

  • @ardentword508
    @ardentword508 Před 8 měsíci +87

    The current system completely does over both the working class and middle class. At the start of my career the 20% tax felt brutal, the past tax year I had some income scrape into the 40% bracket and it was extremely discouraging to see a huge chunk of hard-earned money just gone. As a self-employed editor it feels like I've hit a wall that the system has put up. What's the point in putting in the effort to advance further or do more work when 40% of it is gone before you've even had a sniff of it? Add on top of that %-based student loan payments, NI, council tax, and the advance on account that the Gov ask for, and it's quite simply taking the piss.

    • @Makinen689
      @Makinen689 Před 8 měsíci +16

      Exactly! It can be discouraging for people to aspire to earn more when a significant portion of their income ends up in the government's pocket. What's even more perplexing is that the government claims to have no money. Where has all the money gone?

    • @robertmazurowski5974
      @robertmazurowski5974 Před 8 měsíci

      This is the welfare state for your. Paying off the lower working class so they can escape hard work that is getting done by immigrants. That's what it is. So lower working class youth does not riot.

    • @DS-cf1zc
      @DS-cf1zc Před 8 měsíci +10

      Yep couldnt agree more - I remember passing 20% tax, and when I hit the 40% tax threshold after years of working for the same company - I felt crucified.
      What I cannot get my head around - my eldest daughter and her husband have two incomes that exceed by a fair bit what I earn, but they pay less tax. Whereas I earn more than the high tax threshold, and even combining my wives income we have less than their two combined incomes - but my tax burden is thousands more. Thats the unequal element that needs fixing.
      I agree with Council Tax, VAT and even road tax - all about making money at the expense of the working and middle classes.
      The other thing I dislike is that we have more hidden taxes than I care to count, and neither of our two main parties during period in government have even considered fixing this - in fact they tend to find new hidden taxes instead.

    • @nothereandthereanywhere
      @nothereandthereanywhere Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@DS-cf1zcRoad tax was abolished in 1939.

    • @Libertarian1111
      @Libertarian1111 Před 8 měsíci +3

      As a part-time student beginning my first part-time job just at the standard rate(20%), I completely understand you.
      Also, remember that it is not just the 20% income tax, but also the NICs, for a total of 32.6%.
      And your absolutely right about the higher rate, which totally discourages upward mobility.
      I believe we need a 20% flat rate income tax with a 20,000 tax-free threshold.

  • @JordyBoothy
    @JordyBoothy Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you for breaking this down in a way I understand.

  • @gardenshed6043
    @gardenshed6043 Před 8 měsíci +8

    My dad told me the other day that since he doesn’t like paying taxes unnecessarily he often donates a large amount of his income to charity to go just below the next tax bracket. Since charitable donations are taken out of what is considered your income. Since what he earns can vary from year to year, and this year was a pretty good year for him. He ended up donating over 53.3% of his income to charity to get just below that line.
    It’s a little quirk of the tax system in the country. So if I ever earn the ridiculous amount of money he does, I might do a similar thing.

    • @Ag3nt0fCha0s
      @Ag3nt0fCha0s Před 8 měsíci +1

      Hi, my name is charity

    • @gardenshed6043
      @gardenshed6043 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Ag3nt0fCha0s Well it was a few specific charities not charity in general.

    • @NorthDownReader
      @NorthDownReader Před 8 měsíci +3

      "He ended up donating over 53.3% of his income to charity to get just below that line. "
      Fair enough. It's his money, so if he wants to give 40k to charity to avoid giving 20k to the taxman it might even do some social good. It's not as though the government spends money wisely or well.

    • @user-im9zp4yp9x
      @user-im9zp4yp9x Před 8 měsíci +5

      your dad doesn't know how tax brackets work

    • @gardenshed6043
      @gardenshed6043 Před 8 měsíci

      @@user-im9zp4yp9x Well maybe he didn’t explain it well enough to me to explain it well enough to you. But it definitely works.

  • @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
    @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Před 8 měsíci +21

    20% income tax is too much for people earning in the low 20k's. Also council tax needs to be scrapped as the band system is complete bullshit, should be based on earning ability. We are also being taxed in effect with workplace pensions which previously didn't exist.

    • @SaintGerbilUK
      @SaintGerbilUK Před 8 měsíci +2

      Tbh I think there's a really good case that people who earn less than the UK average wage shouldn't pay income tax.
      And I'm way over the average and wouldn't benefit from this at all but having been there it makes a lot of sense, but the flip side is how much cuts would need to be made.
      This would incentivise the government to make policies which raise wages for people so that they have more tax money for their projects.

    • @ricequackers
      @ricequackers Před 8 měsíci +7

      I'd argue that anyone working full-time on minimum wage shouldn't pay a penny in income tax, so I'd set the base threshold at £20k. Easy and instant boost to the economy by putting money back into the pockets of the people with the highest propensity to consume (i.e. if you give them an extra £100, they're far more likely to spend it than save it).

    • @papaicebreakerii8180
      @papaicebreakerii8180 Před 8 měsíci

      @@SaintGerbilUKmayb they should try smth like what the US has. Here there’s a bunch of different brackets. U pay less taxes depending on how many dependents u have claimed and there’s a bunch of tax credits and refunds for families. A good amount of Americans end up not paying income tax bc of it

    • @chrishan9138
      @chrishan9138 Před 8 měsíci

      No it shouldn't be on earning ability, it should be on wealth owned.

    • @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
      @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Před 8 měsíci +3

      So how do you propose a retired person lives in their expensive paid off house with some high arbitrary high council tax rate and a minor pension? I don't believe people should be displaced from their home.

  • @rich2083
    @rich2083 Před 8 měsíci +34

    Ban companies moving off shore, you do business here, you pay tax here.

    • @willstokes7266
      @willstokes7266 Před 8 měsíci +10

      and thats when peope take business elsewhere

    • @QuartermasterReviews
      @QuartermasterReviews Před 8 měsíci +10

      then let them go.

    • @user-tx3bn5rx3v
      @user-tx3bn5rx3v Před 8 měsíci +10

      @@QuartermasterReviewsthen the economy plummets and unemployment spikes…people then become depressed, do drugs, and start voting for wars… it’s a delicate system

    • @rich2083
      @rich2083 Před 8 měsíci +10

      @@willstokes7266 so you're telling me that if the UK required any company trading in the UK to be registered in the UK for UK tax that they would just shut up shop and go? How's that going to work for Starbucks? Or amazon? Or Google? They legally wouldn't be able to operate in the UK. Would they just leave the market? No chance! They would comply to keep their market access. Your argument that firms would or even could move is a fallacy.

    • @rich2083
      @rich2083 Před 8 měsíci +6

      @@QuartermasterReviews where is Starbucks going to go? They going to move all their shops to Luxembourg or Ireland? It's going to be difficult selling brits coffee from there

  • @jacobfield4848
    @jacobfield4848 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The government spends more than ever yet public services never improve. Mass corruption in govenrment spending is the reality..

  • @scottporter1998
    @scottporter1998 Před 8 měsíci +2

    how the hell is it helpful to earn 60,000 and have three kids and pay more than 60% tax

  • @UnwittingSweater
    @UnwittingSweater Před 8 měsíci +9

    Can you do a part 2 taking about fiscal drag please. More people need to know about what it is.

    • @leej2000
      @leej2000 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Raising tax thresholds would actually help just about everyone, so of course Sunak & Hunt couldn't possibly do that

  • @MrTARDIS
    @MrTARDIS Před 8 měsíci +65

    I remember my first wage slip. Was earning minimum wage and ended up losing 40% of the salary to tax. My family said that can't be right, so i rsng HMRC and they said there were no issues or discrepencies.
    I'm self employed now so I sort out taxes myself at the end of the year but my god was it demoralising, especially when most millionaires avoid tax entirely.

    • @WTFinancepodcast
      @WTFinancepodcast Před 8 měsíci +19

      That was wrong, should have had a £12,000 tax free rate and then only 20% thereafter

    • @MrTARDIS
      @MrTARDIS Před 8 měsíci

      @@WTFinancepodcast oh, to this day, I'm still convinced it was wrong. But there really wasn't anything I could do about it. But it was still demoralising as hell to be earning *minimum wage* and lose 40% of that wage to taxes out of my control.

    • @SaintGerbilUK
      @SaintGerbilUK Před 8 měsíci +13

      I'm guessing that you were on an emergency tax code (something which doesn't make sense) basically you pay the most tax and should get a refund much later.
      I got about £4,000 after about 10 years of working because of this. Honestly I could have used the 4k 10 years ago more than when I got it.
      Also most millionaires do pay tax, you just don't understand the difference between income and wealth, or how wealth can be tied up in things which you cannot easily get the money back out again.

    • @gloriousrevolutionary2306
      @gloriousrevolutionary2306 Před 8 měsíci

      I don't know what your services are and how you sell them, but have you ever considered setting up a Limited Company and paying yourself a Salary Dividend split? Or do you have to be Self-Employed due IR35 rules?

    • @SaintGerbilUK
      @SaintGerbilUK Před 8 měsíci

      @@gloriousrevolutionary2306 it depends on what you are doing if your services are separate from the client company and you are doing projects for them with your own resources then you're outside IR35. If you're using client resources, or if you're managing client staff then you're inside IR35 and it's almost not worth doing since you have the downsides of permanent staff with the downsides of being self-employed and the worse of both worlds.
      However a number of contracts I've seen inside IR35 seem to compensate you for these issues the government has created.

  • @daikucoffee5316
    @daikucoffee5316 Před 8 měsíci +2

    You mention the Laffer curve and the fact that business move off-shore in one sentence, but they describe separate phenomena as far as I’m aware.

  • @PCP1992
    @PCP1992 Před 8 měsíci

    That corporate guy at 2:06 with the big grin on his face is exactly how I picture our corporate overlords.

  • @dr.victorvs
    @dr.victorvs Před 8 měsíci +19

    I'm glad young brits have waken up to this stuff, but it's still disturbing how unwilling they are to cause country-wide strikes. This govt is an unpopular authoritarian joke and their handling of Scottish matters should have been a wake-up call.

    • @Vandel96
      @Vandel96 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Peoples actual quality of life is not bad enough. The vast vast majority have high speed internet and enough disposable income to go out a few tomes a month at least. Also there are a lot of consumer friendly services and products available, even if some of them are not exactly the most legal( amazon firestick with all the channels). People have a better quality of life than when they grew up, so dont see the need to change.

    • @Adam-oc6pq
      @Adam-oc6pq Před 8 měsíci +1

      The lack of trains every single bloody weekend says otherwise. My girlfriend is complaining that this country strikes too much and I'm starting to agree

  • @chichokkk
    @chichokkk Před 8 měsíci +10

    Inheritance tax doesn’t get the deserved focus when discussing wealth taxes.

  • @benmaude8759
    @benmaude8759 Před 8 měsíci

    Really great video

  • @ScarzChosenspokesmen
    @ScarzChosenspokesmen Před měsícem +1

    "Good tax system" is a contradiction in itself

  • @poindextar3246
    @poindextar3246 Před 8 měsíci +3

    my father makes 100k a year and his take home ends up being slightly more then someone with benefits, this isn’t supposed to be a dig at anyone but it doesn’t make sense

  • @gamewithadam7235
    @gamewithadam7235 Před 8 měsíci +4

    My dad had to pay extra tax for "care in the community" for months meanwhile there are still homeless people on the streets.

  • @00dude3
    @00dude3 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Can you do a video on examples of wealth taxes in other countries (and why they don't work)

  • @taipizzalord4463
    @taipizzalord4463 Před 8 měsíci +5

    There needs to be a tax on economic rent, wealth (over 5M so owner occs in London are not hurt), and capital gains and returns. Income tax and VAT are the worse forms of tax unless you have the wage of a PL footballer. Also we need a proper fuel duty. But towns need to be given a public transport system. Which would reduce the economic overhead for employees to help their businesses produce goods and services.

    • @XMysticHerox
      @XMysticHerox Před 7 měsíci

      Income tax is good. If properly done. Though I agree. Fuck VAT.

  • @craigcopeland1596
    @craigcopeland1596 Před 8 měsíci +3

    You should do a video on land value taxes

  • @Daniel.M.I
    @Daniel.M.I Před 8 měsíci +10

    This is the first TLDR News that seems politically biased. Did I miss something in the other videos, or is there a shift in the channel? "The UK tax system is bad because it's not progressive." - "Taxing wealth is progressive." - ergo, the UK needs to tax wealth. No counterpoint, no analysis of pros and cons, just a straight line dividing good and evil, right and wrong.

    • @nameTBA
      @nameTBA Před 8 měsíci +4

      Depending on the topic, TLDR can be very biased. This is very apparent whenever they cover US news.

    • @aaronfalcon3152
      @aaronfalcon3152 Před 8 měsíci +4

      Yeah, I got this too. This was the first time i've noticed it during the video and gone, huh, that's a bit of a political take.
      Like sure yeah they'll occasionally miss a facet here or there just to make the video shorter, and some of their discussion on what's "Far Right" could do with some better definition, but this was something different.

    • @nikolayd.3880
      @nikolayd.3880 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yep, he said that a good tax system should be progressive because people believe the wealthy should pay more in tax (which a flat tax rate already achieves).

  • @elrevesyelderecho
    @elrevesyelderecho Před 8 měsíci

    2:37 what about taxes covers government spending? What is the source of this criteria? Is there an index or ranking about good/bad tax systems?

  • @RyanDB
    @RyanDB Před 8 měsíci +1

    Also, you pay Council Tax on the property you live in, regardless of whether you own it. Renters pay, landlords don't.

  • @senorf999
    @senorf999 Před 8 měsíci +4

    most people don't know that you have a capital gains allowance which is currently £6kpa it used to be £12k the same as your personal tax allowance.

    • @Starstung
      @Starstung Před 8 měsíci

      You can avoid it with an ISA, the annual limit of which keeps getting raised for obvious reasons.

    • @pja8901
      @pja8901 Před 8 měsíci

      Most people here do not have to worry about capital gains whatsoever. You'd need to be exceeding £20,000 in a Stocks & Shares ISA every year or selling a properties you don't live in.

  • @chriswalker8132
    @chriswalker8132 Před 8 měsíci +5

    I hate having to pay council tax when i don't own the property I live in and after I've already paid PAYE, NI, and VAT on my income. Surely my income tax should pay for all the services my council provide.

  • @brunoragghianti6963
    @brunoragghianti6963 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Uk tax system is very punitive. As a pensioner I can't pay their penalties and interest. Any advice on how to get them to reverse this. Contacting them is difficult and their statements of account make zero accounting sense..

  • @alanh.790
    @alanh.790 Před 8 měsíci

    I have had a restaurant in the UK refuse my tip because they didn't want to deal with the complicated VAT situation.

  • @resiplayerz
    @resiplayerz Před 8 měsíci +6

    According to Wikipedia's list of countries listed by tax rates the UK is one of the most overly taxed countries in the world.--
    1) People on lower rate income tax pay the 7th highest rate in the world 32% combined 20% basic plus 12% NI contributions after earning £12.5k
    2) People paying higher rate income tax pay the 4th highest rate in the world. A combined rate of 63.25% ( 40% + 20% due to loss of tax free band until £125k + ~3% NI = 63.25%)
    3) 10th highest world rate for capital gains taxes at 28% for residential properties.
    4) 24th highest for VAT 20% standard rate
    Where we pay little is corporation taxes. 85th place at 25%

    • @jam99
      @jam99 Před 8 měsíci +2

      But we do have relatively high dividend tax. Corp tax is only paid on profit. After-corp-tax profit is used to grow business or can be distributed as dividends to shareholders. So, low corp tax with high dividend tax encourages businesses and business growth. Besides, you can't compare taxes between countries in any righteous manner unless you also somehow compensate for relative corruption and what the taxes are actually used for. e.g. DR Congo has 6th highest corp tax but is 12th most corrupt country while UK is the 18th least corrupt (out of 180). Also, these lists do not account for tax thresholds; it's too complicated to include them but, in reality, the thresholds for any comparison are very important.

    • @Starstung
      @Starstung Před 8 měsíci

      @@jam99 Good point on Congo. I can't see the benefits of this dividend setup: penalise UK companies, give advantage to foreign competitors who pay the low corp-tax and zero dividend tax (e.g. US stocks). TBH UK companies are mucked and outcompeted by profit shifting anyways.

    • @bdorman009
      @bdorman009 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Also add in an extra 9% if you got degree post 2000. If you have children and degree you very quickly get into neagtive income over £50k and almsot certainly over £100k. UK economy is built on the wealthy becoming ever more wealthy, mostly with unproductive assets while taxing workers into the dirt.

    • @jam99
      @jam99 Před 8 měsíci

      @@bdorman009 What do you mean by negative income? Are you talking about the stupid quirks of the UK tax system at £50k (child benefit) and £100k (personal allowance reduction)? Without an incentive to work harder or cleverer for more gain, there will be more overall incentive for corruption and crime. Attempts at communism have shown us thus. Also, while people are permitted to lend any surplus wealth (savings) to others for some kind of reward, the wealthy can get wealthier. It is not just the UK economy that is built on money making money, it is the whole world.

  • @miquelllobera4194
    @miquelllobera4194 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Taxing weath is criminal. If you and I earn the same but you go on parties and trips and you save 0 and I am responsible and manage to save (and probably invest) 50% of my salary, wealth tax would be punishing how responsible I am and my contribution to society with my investments. It rewards people that does not save.
    Nordic countries tax more on VAT, which is not progressive at all, and they do better

  • @dww6
    @dww6 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Council tax is obscene.
    What's that? You want to live in a property you own?

    • @lookforward2life
      @lookforward2life Před 8 měsíci

      Isn’t it the town maintenance kind of things that are being payed for? canadian asking here.

    • @dww6
      @dww6 Před 8 měsíci

      @@lookforward2life it gets wasted on pet projects of town councillors. Our politics is rotten from top to bottom (there are also better ways to raise it).
      Across the country roads are getting worse, bin collection less frequent but council tax keeps going up.

  • @stivenstivens
    @stivenstivens Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks for that.

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  • @Mr1123581325
    @Mr1123581325 Před 8 měsíci +13

    National Insurance Contribution has a similar impact as council tax. NI seems nominally progressive, but distortions arise when you factor in people with very very high salaries. There are also categorisation issues - contract for service vs contract of services.

    • @NoJusticeMTG
      @NoJusticeMTG Před 8 měsíci +1

      NI needs binning altogether, another regressive tax that disicentivises productivity. Replace it with wealth or higher CG tax

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@NoJusticeMTGit disincentives all income going to few people, which is good. If someone already earns enough to live well why do we want that person to work more and take away work from others?

    • @akhusal
      @akhusal Před 3 měsíci

      National Insurance should be abolished and incorporated into income tax for simplicity. Same with car tax just include it with fuel duty. Streamlining and efficiency should save money. Plus don't make the employer pay national insurance it discourages them from hiring more workers.

  • @HeWhoLaugths
    @HeWhoLaugths Před 8 měsíci

    This is a great video

  • @smashingturnips5353
    @smashingturnips5353 Před 8 měsíci

    Very interesting video though. Thanks

  • @tobeytransport2802
    @tobeytransport2802 Před 8 měsíci +19

    Their shouldn’t be a tax incentive for married couples but people who live together should be allowed to combine personal allowances because let’s say one partner is working full time earning £40k a year and the other isn’t earning at all, the one who is earning 40k is providing for at least two people and thus should be able to take advantage of the other persons tax allowance

    • @chrishan9138
      @chrishan9138 Před 8 měsíci +8

      Lack of dual/household tax options is a major failing of the UK. Other countries manage it.

    • @QuartermasterReviews
      @QuartermasterReviews Před 8 měsíci

      Marriage Allowance? Marriage Allowance lets you transfer £1,260 of your Personal Allowance to your husband, wife or civil partner.

    • @jeffsterling2809
      @jeffsterling2809 Před 8 měsíci

      You can already do that actually

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Marriage allowance? But it's still a tax with moral overtones.
      If you were to make the standard 'living together' then you create a system which is very open to abuse. Suddenly a lot of people would want a tenant! And what of people who live with their parents into their twenties or thirties, that's common now days. But on the other hand, if you make it dependent upon a marriage or civil union (as is now the case) then the government is moralising. It's using the tax code to declare, "Pair up, everyone! We're a country with Christian roots and we believe in long-term monogamy, so no tax benefits if you're living in sin."

    • @Spectification
      @Spectification Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@vylbird8014I see it as a move to incentivise children, because I would say that more children are born because of.marriage and I am not touching the question, what is the QoL of children born out of wedlock to people that are "hanging out"...
      What is the point for the government to encourage "free living"if its not producing future tax payers ?

  • @Croz89
    @Croz89 Před 8 měsíci +21

    To be fair to the whole income vs. wealth tax debate, not only are wealth taxes harder to implement, they're also easier to avoid. Wealth is hard to calculate especially for the super rich, which means there's a lot of ways to undervalue assets or stick them in a trust so you don't own them "de jure", even though you do own them "de facto" both of which would reduce a wealth tax burden and would be difficult to make illegal. Concealing income is much harder and whether it's legal or not simply lands on if it's above a specific threshold HMRC needs to know about and therefore tax.

    • @echochamber1234
      @echochamber1234 Před 8 měsíci +4

      true and that's exactly why Sweden got rid of the wealth (along with inheritance and gift) tax in the 1990s. it seems fairer, but causes capital flight with little to no benefit in actual revenue collected. better to be pragmatic than moralistic.

    • @Blinks77
      @Blinks77 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@echochamber1234Capital flight is a myth.

    • @echochamber1234
      @echochamber1234 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@Blinks77 pre 90s Sweden would beg to differ

    • @Blinks77
      @Blinks77 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@echochamber1234you mean when the banks were collapsing and there was a massive mismanagement of regulation?
      So no, Sweden does not beg to differ.

    • @echochamber1234
      @echochamber1234 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@Blinks77 just the banks collapsing? lol the whole economy was gradually going to shit since folkhemmet started 30 years prior. the overregulation and confiscatory tax model of the time led to talent and wealth fleeing and avoiding Sweden, during which period Sweden did not create a single net job in the private sector. magically all those economic problems went away shortly after taxes were reduced from 70 to under 50 percent of GDP (with most of the cuts benefiting middle to high income earners, capital, and corporations), many state owned enterprises were privatized and/or exposed to market competition, and labor market liberalized. tell me, why did all of a sudden, things get better?

  • @klausdudas
    @klausdudas Před 8 měsíci +1

    One thing you've missed is the loss of tax-free or free childcare if you go over £100k. Someone earning £100,001 that has a two year old loses the £2k contribution ("tax free") towards child care, this is on top of the withdrawal of the personal allowance, so earning between £100,001 and about 105,000 leaves you worse off than if you're earning £99,999. The 45% rate now applied from £125,140 now though, so that dip back to 40% is old.

  • @katywalker8322
    @katywalker8322 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Not sure the council tax works directly related to house banding. Band A does not mean you pay X amount, rather it equates to a ratio compared to other payers in that area.
    Down side is that in an area that was cheap back in the early 1990s, a disproportionate number of houses will be in band A, resulting in a wide range of houses paying the same council tax. While in an area that was expensive you might land up with most homes in one of the highest bands.
    As a basic idea the bands make some sense to give a progressive system, but similarly those bands should equate to the local areas prices

  • @Witnessmoo
    @Witnessmoo Před 8 měsíci +14

    I’m a higher rate tax payer and it’s crushing… I work harder and harder but my extra effort gets taxed at 50% now (when you count NI + Income Tax).
    I don’t have much wealth as I came from a poor background.
    The Tories have basically screwed the aspiration class like myself big time.

    • @philipjamesparsons
      @philipjamesparsons Před 8 měsíci

      Saving into the pension system in the way to save efficiently……although that comes with its own issues.

    • @martinlewis3547
      @martinlewis3547 Před 8 měsíci

      Add VAT on top of that too and given the near impossible aspiration of owning a decent home you certainly question what's the point of aspiring to work harder to earn more money.

  • @jimbobur
    @jimbobur Před 8 měsíci +4

    You completely glossed over the fact that in rented properties council tax is paid by the tenant, having no effect on the wealth of the landlord who actually owns the property.

  • @roberthuntley1090
    @roberthuntley1090 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Capital gains tax is a rip off because it doesn't allow for inflation. At current levels, a 8% rise in an asset means that you have just about broken even, so it shouldn't be taxed.

  • @humanperson8418
    @humanperson8418 Před 8 měsíci +1

    What if the gingerbread man has a frowny face?
    Trust the UK to tax smiles.

    • @novalinnhe
      @novalinnhe Před 8 měsíci

      LOL - I was just thinking this while watching the video!! 😂

  • @gamewithadam7235
    @gamewithadam7235 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Honestly why the fuck do we even pay for council tax? And why is it so much money? What does it actually pay for?

    • @techtinkerin
      @techtinkerin Před 8 měsíci +1

      Roads, bins, police etc. 😂

    • @gamewithadam7235
      @gamewithadam7235 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@techtinkerin Can't regular taxes pay for that instead?

    • @Starstung
      @Starstung Před 8 měsíci +1

      66-75% is schools, adult social care and elderly care

    • @gamewithadam7235
      @gamewithadam7235 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Starstung But it's the same or goes up even though average children now is 2 whereas before it was 4? Why can't regular taxes pay for it? They wasted 100billion on HS2 already and got nothing from it.

    • @Starstung
      @Starstung Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@gamewithadam7235 I think there could be a good case to centralise education, social care etc. Current system has very rich councils where business rates and footfall are high (Westminster) and councils struggling with the costs above in high population areas (Wirral).
      Government would need to halve Council tax and raise income taxes to pay for it. Then figure out some sort of distribution formula.

  • @gamewithadam7235
    @gamewithadam7235 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Gingerbread man thing is stupid. Can we just rewrite our tax code to make it simple instead of thousands of pages? Should be less than 10 pages honestly.

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 Před 8 měsíci +1

      It's because staple foods pay no VAT, but luxury foods do. Where is the line? For the gingerbread men, it hinges on decoration. The amount of decoration is the difference between a ginger biscuit (no tax) and an item of confectionary (tax).

    • @philm625
      @philm625 Před 8 měsíci +1

      You can put VAT back on food, drink and other items, thus eliminating the endless number of exemptions. This would increase revenue and allow the government to reduce the overall VAT rate from 20% to say 15/17.5%. It also reduces compliance costs for businesses because it reduces complexities of administration, especially for SMEs.

    • @gamewithadam7235
      @gamewithadam7235 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@vylbird8014 Why do we need VAT in the first place?

    • @gamewithadam7235
      @gamewithadam7235 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@philm625 15% VAT is better than 20%. I'd support that. Plus when grocery stores put items on discount does that also include VAT or exclude it at that point?
      We'd waste a lot less food if the VAT was lower.

    • @philm625
      @philm625 Před 8 měsíci

      @@gamewithadam7235 as long as the product is not exempt, the store would still have to apply VAT at the discounted price.

  • @dm121984
    @dm121984 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The UK pretends to have tax benefits for marriage, but its so tiny they may as well have not bothered.

  • @julianfp1952
    @julianfp1952 Před 7 měsíci

    Maybe it's me that's missing something but when talking about capital gains tax one thing that I have never (and I literally mean never) seen mentioned is the fact that indexing was removed many years ago so capital gains tax isn't just taxing a real-terms capital gain, it's also taxing inflation. For instance if someone bought an asset at the start of a period of high inflation and sells it many years later when its nominal value has doubled but overall inflation (presumably measured by CPI or RPI) would have caused that asset to double anyway then you haven't really increased your real-terms wealth at all, you've just kept up with inflation, yet you'd still lose a percentage of your investment to CGT anyway.
    I would have no problem with CGT rates being aligned with income tax rates provided that it was actually a real-terms gain that was being taxed since that is a genuine wealth increase whereas simply keeping up with inflation isn't.

  • @mir.argenzio
    @mir.argenzio Před 8 měsíci +3

    Well you could pretty much change every occurrence of "British" with "Italian" and you'd pretty much have a new video to publish

  • @jam99
    @jam99 Před 8 měsíci +6

    28% CGT is what is paid on residential property that is not a primary home, but you don't seem to mention that.

  • @osx86x
    @osx86x Před 8 měsíci +1

    Not quite convinced of council tax, same house price but in different locations; there can't be same expectations for appreciation

  • @DeafMaker
    @DeafMaker Před 8 měsíci

    I would like to know how the uk tax system compares to other tax systems around the world and if there is anything we can learn from them.

  • @danesorensen1775
    @danesorensen1775 Před 8 měsíci +27

    Might be important to note that despite its official-sounding name, the Laffer Curve isn't really a thing. It was sketched on the back of a cocktail napkin and never really got any more advanced than that. It makes intuitive sense, but it's a thing in the same sense as Hanlon's Razor or Sturgeon's Law. It is in no way an economic principle supported by data.

    • @juanaloulehoux
      @juanaloulehoux Před 8 měsíci +1

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    • @alanb9443
      @alanb9443 Před 7 měsíci

      I mean as a demonstrative point it’s kinda true, if u upped tax to 100 % everyone who could would just leave and ur overall tax revenue would decrease. It gets murky in the fact it’s not rly a bell curve like commonly shown, also laffer himself is a major republican economics advisor to both trump and Reagan 😬

    • @XMysticHerox
      @XMysticHerox Před 7 měsíci +1

      It ignores the kinda obvious fact that taxes don't just disappear into the void. It assumes taxes can only be used to maintain certain necessary services and cannot add new wealth. Of course that is nonsense. Even outside of direct government run economic activity, things like infrastructure add again to the overall wealth. Which invalidates the fundamental idea of the curve. I am sure this relation exists to a limited degree but the idea that it is the primary factor in government revenue is absurd. Something that is true for many if not most neoclassical concepts like this.

    • @juanaloulehoux
      @juanaloulehoux Před 7 měsíci

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    • @reganator5000
      @reganator5000 Před 6 měsíci

      @@alanb9443 how would they leave? walk naked into the sea?

  • @Guy-rr1vy
    @Guy-rr1vy Před 8 měsíci +4

    Why save, why invest, why build wealth if you’re going to be taxed until the pips squeak. These wealth taxes also directly attack the symbolic and crucial concept of individual sovereignty.

  • @tameen3907
    @tameen3907 Před 8 měsíci

    if anyone can answer this please let me know. if you do trade in the stock market independently from home do you pay income tax or capital gains tax?

    • @timmehboy92
      @timmehboy92 Před 6 měsíci

      CGT unless you’re paying yourself a salary from a limited company.

  • @georgiewalker5826
    @georgiewalker5826 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Going to spend a lot of time now looking for ginger bread without smiles

  • @GuyM-hp6in
    @GuyM-hp6in Před 8 měsíci +7

    I'm always a little puzzled why a personal tax system needs to be 'progressive' to be seen to be fair. A flat rate of income tax applied equally (no opt outs) will mean someone on £100k will pay more tax than someone on £50k who, in turn will pay more tax than someone on £20k. To help the lowest paid the zero rated banding can be used to good effect.
    Rather than income and wealth taxes, it might be better to look at earned vs unearned income, what is the reason for unearned income being taxed at a lower rate than earned income? There is an argument that says if you can afford to speculate (which is essentially what capital gains are the result of) you don't need a lower tax rate to help you.
    On the flip side you can't effectively reform tax without also significantly reforming health and welfare, they're so interlinked which most likely adds to the problem of complexity. Each of these strands would be much better as a stand alone.
    For health and pensions replacing NI with specific gov't controlled health insurance (more like the French and/or German model?), that way at retirement, the income stream doesn't completely end. In parallel, how we fund old age pension needs to be much more about effective, compulsory saving now to fund our own retirement rather than live off the currently shrinking working population taxes.
    All welfare should be means tested to allow support to be focused on genuine need.
    The more complex and interlinked a system is, the more it costs to run (making it more ineffective), the more loopholes there end up being (reducing actual take) and ultimately the main winners are the accountants, lawyers and the rich who can afford their services.
    It will take a long time, possibly a generation and some very brave and honest politicians to really make our tax, health and welfare systems fit for a 21st century UK. Such a change would need ongoing and consistent majority public support as changes of this nature can't just be done to 'them', we also have to accept it will affect 'us'.

    • @yueli1905
      @yueli1905 Před 8 měsíci

      Simply put, it's like this because lower earners outnumber higher earners, and thus can demand higher earners to be taxed more due to "democracy". This will never change due to this population pyramid, as anyone who proposes such a change will never win an election.
      That said, the wealthiest could do with paying more tax, as self-admitted to by multiple billionaires. However inevitable

  • @Rndm9
    @Rndm9 Před 8 měsíci +14

    Land Value Tax fits all 3 of the 'good tax' criteria in the video, I wish people talked about it more. Though it seems to have been gaining a bit of traction recently. It's honestly the best tax reform possible, for any country but especially for this one.

    • @aspuzling
      @aspuzling Před 8 měsíci +1

      Agree. I only heard about it recently and can't believe I hadn't heard people talking about it sooner.

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 Před 8 měsíci +2

      We have to consider what behaviours it would encourage or discourage. And how exactly we'd determine the value of said land.

    • @Rndm9
      @Rndm9 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@Croz89 You're right to think in those terms. LVT would discourage land speculation - sitting on an empty lot is less profitable when you have to pay to do it. Meanwhile it would encourage productive use of land, since you have to make a profit off of it. It would also increase the supply of housing since 1. unused housing would be freed up due to the need to be used productively (i.e. lived in), and 2. higher-density developments would be more encouraged in cities for the same reason (the increased need to make a profit on highly desired land).
      As for determining value, that's the hard part. The more free-market solution is for an action-like system, where whoever is willing to pay a higher tax for it gets it. Though I've heard people saying that the assessment of land would actually be easier than assessment of property (which wouldn't be required following abolishment of property tax), and that there are techniques that would make it doable (though there'd always be some issues no matter how good the assessment).

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Rndm9 There are a few issues that make things more complicated. You might want to preserve land for agriculture even if it would be more tax efficient to do something else with it.

  • @rosegreensummer
    @rosegreensummer Před 8 měsíci

    Richard Murphy, Tax Justice blog is good to read on this topic. The email newsletter Big, about monopolies, is also good.

  • @elrevesyelderecho
    @elrevesyelderecho Před 8 měsíci

    1:50 what is the source for this 3 criteria?

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  • @waggertribe
    @waggertribe Před 8 měsíci

    Would it be possible to give some examples of more effective tax systems around the world?

  • @Denes2005
    @Denes2005 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I just learned that a person from liverpool is called a liverpudlian. Where on earth did that ‘D’ come from?

  • @arghjayem
    @arghjayem Před 8 měsíci +29

    00:21 Yep. Compared to a lot of countries, our tax burden is not that bad. And in terms of benefits we pay our citizens the lowest rates in the western world. So all those blaming benefits claimants for our problems are talking out of their arses!

    • @nicolasmarkham9656
      @nicolasmarkham9656 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Wouldn't say the benefits are the worst lol. Obvious example of somewhere thats worse, America

    • @Wulfaz
      @Wulfaz Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@nicolasmarkham9656 He said Western world, not third world.

    • @quedtion_marks_kirby_modding
      @quedtion_marks_kirby_modding Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@nicolasmarkham9656Americans still earn a lot more while having lower cost of living (outside massive cities).

  • @liamcassidy5992
    @liamcassidy5992 Před 8 měsíci +3

    An interesting tidbit on the requirements for a good tax system: the “neutral” part doesn’t really apply in every culture. Take for instance Germany, the German word for tax is “Steuer”, which also happens to be its word for steering. Taxes in German speaking regions (granted, hundreds of years ago) were originally put up to “steer” the population towards wanted behaviours. Taxes purely for government income instead had the name “Zehnt”, or Tenth, and were just a tenth of everyone’s earnings

  • @skylineXpert
    @skylineXpert Před 8 měsíci

    I am not surprised about the catch at certain airports on certain flights with certain taxes...

  • @tulliusexmisc2191
    @tulliusexmisc2191 Před měsícem +1

    The gingerbread man is a weird example. Clearly whoever wrote the script has never seen one, or they would know the smile is made of icing, not chocolate. (So too are the eyes, typically, but chocolate-filled sweets are not unknown.)
    A more comprehensible example would be chocolate biscuits, which do incur VAT. But there is a highly artificial tax avoidance scheme where a thin sliver of caramel is inserted between the two, so the biccie and choccie technically do not touch. This fiddle is, for obvious reasons, marketed as 'millionaire's shortbread' and I must admit is surprisingly tasty.
    Of course, a key issue for VAT purposes is whether a gingerbread man is a biscuit or a cake. This indeed turns out to be a crucial plot point in Jasper Fforde's nurseryland crime novel The Fourth Bear.

  • @toyotaprius79
    @toyotaprius79 Před 8 měsíci +5

    How is labour under its current leadership in any way "left"?

  • @mandrakejake
    @mandrakejake Před 8 měsíci +5

    I wish you'd mentioned that income tax was a war effort to raise capital for munitions, that has been extended annually (unfairly I believe) ever since

  • @Gertius
    @Gertius Před 8 měsíci +2

    Ending credits of this video seems a little bit small (in the literal sense)

  • @kayedal-haddad9294
    @kayedal-haddad9294 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It’s massively convoluted and thus in need of major reform i.e. simplification