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A detailed explanation for using a simple formula as a baseline to improving how you use cello fingerings. The sheet music is Brandenburg Concerto Nº3, Movement I by JS Bach.
I love your lessons; they are so thorough and precise. Your face and voice are just right too; friendly but firm.
Over the years I’ve watched many tutorial videos and yours are definitely the best......you have taught me useful things that no physical teacher has ever mentioned.
Thank you for your videos; you will certainly have a regular watcher in me!
Right......off to the cello 😃
This was a great explanation of fingering choices and reasons for using different approaches. I have just started learning shifting so i appreciate this lesson tremendously. The mathematical approach makes sense and speaks to my engineering background. Love the swan reference. Bothers me when i see swan lake and they change the ending so all live. Sometimes the swan must die.
Glad you agree, Jeana. Yes, sometimes the swan must die (hehe)
Jonathan, this video is so great. It explains a lot of my weaknesses with my violin playing. Until I'm able to acquire a cello, I'm going to apply this technique for my fiddling.
Yes, you can absolutely apply this approach to any string instrument. Hope it can help you play with ease.
This is the best presentation/explanation of possible fingerings. I love the way you
break down the fingerings according to the playing level. Your point system is genius. Thank You!
Hi,
Last week I got the scale book, thanks again
Hope you enjoy it!
Love the teaching methods! 👍✅🎼❤️ thank you so much 👍❤️🎻🎹🎓
You are welcome, Phillip
I can see your point, it made me think about the value of hand positioning a lot more. The only thing i would point out is that sometimes we want one particular tone sound differently according to the physical capability of string and cello itself. So it makes sense to play some tone in higher position on lower string than in lower position on higher string, despite it being more difficult :) I guess it all stews down to "it depends", but overally, with inclusion of this being beginner lesson, i guess i agree with your video
You are quite correct to make this point. As the acronym mentioned in the prior video, (M.U.S.I.C.) there are limitations to the formula. You can watch it here - czcams.com/video/cLvIDIdBwSg/video.html and in any case, thank you for the comment
This is way cool to see.
Glad you liked it
keep it up ! am keep the hard work you're my source of learning and one day you will get millions of views !
Thank you, Sufian. It's is comments like yours that inspire me to keep going.
Jonathan Humphries i've been playing the oud for 5\6 but recently picked up the cello and your videos are generally useful even for my oud playing, cello and oud have very similar neck techniques
Awesome video Jonathan! Greetings from Brazil, could you make a video about weekly practice? Things like scales on one day, intonation on another etc etc? Love your videos!!!
Yes, I am working on a talk that cites the neurology of human learning, how our brains function when we are exposed to new things and how this all benefits our cello practice. Coming in June!
Are you referring to your "Deep Practice " video? I found it recently while in Brazil staying with family and suffering Cello Separation Anxiety. On return to California I applied the principles and they have really helped my practice. Thank you so much!
My aunt just gave me a cello that she never used and im tryingbto teach myself with only my knowledge of how to play violin from 3 years ago.
Bonjour jonathan quelle est la vidéo precedente dont tu parles a la fin à 8 minutes 46 ou tu expliques comment tu choisis tes doigtés dans une nouvelle partition,merci
Great video, thank you for sharing you're great!
My pleasure, edstud1
Janos Starker said, we should continually search for the harmonic geography of the cello. Your fingering method here, is a helpful way to develope superb muscle memory as well . . .
This makes sense. I have a question and a comment. Crossing to a string 2 strings away that counts as 2? And the comment, I often try to cut shifts into smaller shifts, like if I do 1sr to 3rd, but there are notes in between where I could do 1st->2nd->3rd I favor 2 shifts in smaller steps than the one bigger shift. Your method would say to avoid this. I am not sure, seems easier to me, but I am not very advanced so not 100% comfortable going from 1st to 3rd, the bigger the shift the bigger the chance of a bad landing and being out of tune.
Our individual competence will define how valid the formula will be. In the other video, I mention an acronym M.U.S.I.C. to be considered for proper application. For most cases, following the "economy of movement" recipe is most efficient.
Bonjour comment retrouver la vidéo précédente sur les doigts merci
avec plaisir
I'm not entirely convinced by the formula, it presupposes that shifts and string crossings are equally demanding. Moreover, fingerings are not always done to have the least effort, but to have the best intonation possible, so I think a shift should hold a higher value than a string crossing.
To demonstrate this, let's take two fingerings of a really simple melody. E3-B3-E3-B3-G3-B3-E3
If we play it all in first position on the D and A strings, we have 0 shift, 6 string crossings and 0 extension, a total of 6
If we play it all on the D string with only the first finger, or worse, randomly alternating fingers, we have 6 shifts, 0 string crossing and 0 entension for a total of 6
So according to the formula, both fingerings would have the same efficiency. In practice, we know the first one is the easiest and gives the best intonation.
In conclusion, I don't think the formula is the most accurate way of measuring the ease of a fingering, or maybe there should be coefficients, so that every parameter doesn't weight the same.
Just my two cents :)
Watch this first - czcams.com/video/cLvIDIdBwSg/video.html - then please reconsider opinion. Thank you for your very detailed answer, but there is so much more to this than simply reducing the number of shifts, stretches and string crosses.
But since you took the time, so will I. Played your way, all in 1st position or shifting every note, the result is 6, but in 3rd position the total is 5, using my system. But a difference of 16.67% (1/6) is not statistically significant, nor is the sample size large enough to justify the system. Still, the aforementioned video discredits your point because of the "S" in speed variable and "M" variable. I know very well this logic cannot be applied in all cases, as is explained with music examples in the video I linked. I have applied this system to hundreds of scores and thousands of music notes, for the better part of a decade, and even professionals have sheepishly admitted the inherent ease of the system. I have changed scores mid concert -from the pro to mine own - with just the interval to prep. One evening, the pro was playing my fingerings, and though she stated the notes were easier to play, she would adhere to her own for she had practiced them as such. (Ha, because real pros sitting in usually wing it because they are on-call with not time to prep, just prior experience to lean on). When the passage came, she flew threw the fingerings I wrote, only on 3rd glance. Later, she asked me how why this and that. I explained the rudimentary logic, suing her own and mine as examples, and I played through each passage, explaining how to use the system. It was then she advised me to consider the M.U.S.I.C. as much as the effort to play the notes. Today, more than 6 years later, she still uses and even teaches my system. Lastly, the "outlier" or "exception to the rule" argument is anecdotal and invalid when extended to a greater sample size. There is just much more to playing cello - solo or as an ensemble - to simply playing less stretches, shifts and string crosses. But using this system, along with the M.U.S.I.C, will result in easier playing, in most circumstances.
@@CelloCoach I see thanks for your answer
And thank you for the detailed response! You watched the follow-up video, which is supposed to be viewed after the one I linked. Yes, on its face the formula is too simple, so with M.U.S.I.C. in mind, we can use it better. It's comments like yours that make me a better teacher, so thank you!
Dear Jonathan . Can you please post links of how to start basic fingering for beginner student , and how to start reading notes for a beginner
Very good suggestion, once again Maryam! Will put it in the queue.
This is good, I also noticed the +4 and -1 fingering notes. How do I notate the shift, stretch and the string crossings? please? I use the symbols 0 1 2 3 4 for the fingering and the open strings and -1 or +4 for the stretched extended fingerings.
In my pedagogy, I use the -1 / +4 as an exact indicator of a note played by a precise finger. Hence, the "+4" is ALWAYS between the 1st and 4th position, and ALWAYS with the 4th finger. Same applies to the "-1". To know if a certain fingering is an extension (always 1-2-4 and always between the 1st and 2nd finger in all positions below the 5th position) then you must know if one of those notes is modified by a flat, natural or sharp. Questions: you see 1 • 2 • 4 in 1st position on the A string, song is in C major. EX or not? Same string, but now a -1 • 2 • 4 in F major, ex or not? Now you see a 1 • 2 • +4m with the 1st playing the B natural, EX or Not?
We learned that in 1st position, the "-1 • 2 • 4" or "1 • 2 • +4" is an extension and the stretch is between the 1st and 2nd fingers ALWAYS. But what happens when we shift, say to lower 2nd position on the A string, with the 1st finger on the C natural: does the 1 • 2 • 4 pattern demand an extension? If not, would you know? Try to answer this on your own and I will upload a short lesson this month addressing this exact question, with examples.
Should the fingers not touch the other strings?
it depends on the technique and song. When playing in a studio recording setting, we need to minimize for "sympathetic resonance"
Hello there
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Am a beginner, need real fingering tutoring,