History of WWI Primer 108: US Remington Model 8 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Les As : peints par eux-mêmes
M. Jacques Mortane
The Great Remington 8: And Model 81 Autoloading Rifles
John Henwood
The Great Model 8 & 81
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7:45 the guy was so excited to meet and work with the legend himself he croaked.
If people die of excitement just at the risk of meeting you, you might be a god on earth.
@@nathanphillips3251 We are talking about John Browning after all. He's on my personal Mount Rushmore.
"Hey Springfield, could we have some actual backup weapons for our planes, that aren't bolt action springfields?"
"Ooh you want some air service rifles"
[Phil Collins through a tinny restroom speaker:] “I’ve been waiting for this moment, all my life, oh lord...”
Fun fact: the Model 8 barrel nut was the first human made object to achieve escape velocity.
What do you mean by that?
@@jurtra9090 The barrel nut is directly under spring tension, and the spring (which is around the barrel hidden by the barrel jacket) is a very strong spring. So when you unscrew the barrel nut, if you're not careful, it'll go ZOOMING across space and time.
The furthest Model 8 barrel nut that can still be tracked by our telescope technology is currently skirting past Cygnus X-1 in the constellation Cygnus.
@@jurtra9090 escape velocity means it had enough velocity to escape the earth's atmosphere lol
@@muffinxcancer - Well, there are multiple escape veolcities, there is one for escape from the solar system for example... :)
Grant that’s the thing with long recoil, springs have to be STRONG in order to work. It has to be the spring for the entire barrel. so if you’re going to have to have it (the “It” being the barrel) return to it’s starting position in less than a second, you also have to remember in this firearm, that it’s doing this with a cartridges that roughly are in the ballistics ballpark of 7.62x39 (with this ballistics info being tested with say, a 16.3 inch barrel for the 7.62x39). Also remember it’s doing this on a barrel that might be heavier, seeing as metallurgical techniques likely haven’t progressed far enough to allow for lighter barrels for this.
@1:30 Imagine the alternative universe where Browning focused his efforts on the Fishing Tackle industry. He'd probably be the Patron Saint of Bass Pro Shop.
John Moses Brownings weapons are responsible for more deaths than the Black Death and probably both World Wars. Hell, the man who killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, Gavrilo Princip, used a handgun designed by Browning and patented through FN.
@@Isildun9 And without those deaths the world wouldn't be near as advanced as it is now. War brings on new and better technology.
@@jeramyw, not necessarily, advances can come without sacrificing hundreds of millions of people over the half a century
@@ItRemindMeOfHome They can, but war speeds things up. Microwaves, jets, rockets, radar, medical equipment and practices, canned food, synthetic rubber, GPS, internet, the list goes on.
@@Isildun9 how can an inanimate object be responsible for something?
Hint, they can't. Princip was responsible, not his gun
This traipsing around the 1911 is more torturous than anything else I've ever experienced.
Lucas Hagg It’ll be the very last episode of WWI
They did the same thing with the SMLE but we did eventually get it.
You ain't wrong -- nor alone. But think for a minute what big job this is for Othias. Outside of the Colt 1873, is there a more avid, well-informed fan base than for the M1911? How do you talk about the gun without disappointing them? How do you tell them something they didn't already know? How do you approach it without beginning with the Colt M1900 Automatic Pistol; the M1902, the M1903 Pocket Auto; the M1905 45 Auto; the M1908 Hammerless 25 Auto; the M1909; M1910 45 Auto? Whoo-whee! There are dozens of books on the thing, including its development: US Military Automatic Pistols 1894-1920 by E.S. Meadows. Knowing Othias et. al., they'll want to have an example of as many of these old models as possible, plus a really sweet early SN M1911. Takes time to source. How do you tell the story of the M1911 without telling the story of the military acceptance trials or of the .45 ACP Luger it competed against? How do you tell the story of the gun without telling the story of Sgt. Alvin York and his Medal of Honor and many other stories from WWI? And then consider the potential pitfalls -- if Othias mis-steps with any teeny-tiny bit of info, he'll get a hundred messages correcting him. It's a redonkulous task that requires a braver soul than I. Guessing it'll be a two- or three-part series. Guessing he's been working on it for awhile. Good luck to him.
I'm desperate for the MP18
Good things come to those who wait, or so I've been told.
John Browning is Utah's greatest gift to the world
"Red green rifle" holy heck
If my wife is watching, I'll be coming straight home after the trench raid.
Carbine prayer - "I'm a rifle, but I can change. If I have to, I guess"
@@blakecarlson1057 Keep your bayonet on ice.
Quando omni flunkus moritati makes a lot of sense in a WWI context.
Niiiiice!!!!
Ha .. Red Green
Have a great-uncle that grew up with a Remington 8 as his first deer rifle when he was a kid in Northern California. His dad got rid of the rifle when he lit off for Vietnam before he was drafted and he hasn't owned one since. After the war he really got into using single shot rifles like the Sharps in 45-120 he used to hunt big game across the American continent. I wish the old man was still as much of a hunter as he used to be but age has caught up with him as it does all of us. He has slowly started passing his collection down to me as he never had children of his own. From a Remington 8 down to him using a Ruger No 1 in 300 H&H magnum, the man was raised on good taste in firearms.
Good stuff. If I could choose one gun to hunt with a single shot Remington Rolling Block in 45-70 would be the gun.
Age does not catch up with all of us … the reaper finds some of us first🦊
My uncle has one of these rifles he taught me how too shoot and the proper use of a rifle/carbine with that gun those where the days it's easily one of my favorite older style firearms 🐻
I had forgotten today was Primer Day. Hooray for Bear Man and Forest Girl!
Well said sir.
These long format videos are now my go to video to play while i am prepping lots of brass. You are now an indispensable resource. Thanks guys
The FAL also has a similar bolt release, it's a push down button at the rear of the mag well and it works, but nothing feels cooler than yanking the charging handle back and letting it go on a fresh mag... The action alone literally makes your ears ring!
Sitting at work, in the wee hours of the morning, and what am I doing? Enjoying a WW1 primer with Othais and Mae. What could be better?
Also, being a Canuck, this video gets a thumbs up for the Red Green reference.
Don't you mean "...in the wheet hours..."? [I couldn't resist.] :)
(Back to the salt mines for me.)
Mae: "....Preventing full auto fire."
Me: "Full auto, you say?"
Puppo: *Giggles* "I'm in danger"
Yes ATF this man right here
Thorin Harig gets file ready
My thoughts exactly
I see these comments are from 3 years ago, but considering the events of today, joking about turning a fellow American into the aft is striking. I would hope anyone with even a remote sliver of morality and ethics would never consider such a heinous act.
@@HomerEscobar1
It's a Joke 🤣😂
Calm down
I had a friend threaten to turn me into Desantis himself for washing my face in a men's bathroom as a woman
They're just jokes
No matter how dire the politics are to the people around them
We gotta learn how to laugh at life
Yes, audio for the drive home from work
FINALLY! Been waiting for this one, this is one of my favorite weapons
Me too I bought one just cuz I love it
Euthias, the poe modified Remington model 8 did not come out until 1937, Frank hammer's ambush of Bonnie and Clyde in 1934 so he did not use a modified Remington 8 plus there is photographs that shows a standard Remington model 8 on top of Clyde's car. I would also like to say that there were some Remington model 8 used by the White Russians during the Russian revolution, there are photographs showing their use. So if there were Remington model 8's being used by the Russians you can see where Kalashnikov got ideas for his AK-47!
"Red-Green" rifle just made my day.
What's the reference for that?
@@kasugaryuichi9767 czcams.com/video/FUXPuYZ4DEQ/video.html
@@kasugaryuichi9767it’s a Canadian show called the Red Green Show, like a Canadian version of Home Improvement
I was amazed that an hour had passed when I saw the credits. Then I looked and it wasn't even half over yet.
You have stayed and watched the rest.
The little narrative story about the use of the Model 8 was shockingly breathtaking. The level of detail in the story really takes you there, to a real world event, and I can easily imagine all the things the narrator was feeling and thinking as he engaged with the enemy aircraft. It sounds silly, but I think this story will stick with me for a while.
The Model 8 35 Rem. is my favorite deer rifle. Over the past few decades I have taken over 2 dozen deer with mine. I would still be using it today but the old eyes can't deal with the open sights anymore. #5 Rem. is still my favorite cartridge and over the years I have owned just about every rifle ever chambered for it and I still hunt with it.
Thanks for another great review.
Seeing how quickly that muzzle retracts and returns, even in the slow motion section, is amazing. Outstanding video work.
Last September I happened across a model 81 in .300 Savage. I had been looking for a model 8 or 81 in .35 Remington for about 10 years at the time. And while I'd still prefer .35 the .300 Savage is a great cartridge. As you probably know the 81 is just a model 8 with a pistol grip stock, I believe the forearm is beefier too. It is one of the few guns that I can't see myself ever parting with. Interesting bit of history on my particular 81, it was made in December 1941. Probably one of the last commercial Remingtons before manufacture turned over to wartime efforts.
The precursor (in terms of safety lug) to the legendary AK-47, again!
And kinda bolt head too.
And if you watch when you see the 20 round mag it’s a rock and lock in mag just like an AK
Between the rsc1917 and this thing, you can say the ak is mostly ww1 tech.
Well, that was a short and anticlimactic episode.
Belgium: A short Primer? Not on my watch!
The amount of work you do on these videos are amazing. So much research and effort. Your videos are top class.
In a be of your videos you touched on how this community is a small one but I woulda never known I was into all this without the channel
I really set in to watch particular videos of more famous guns that had aired but it opened this door for me
I have my grandfathers Model 8 in .35 Rem, he called it "his meat in a pot gun". I'm glad we got an episode about it even if the WWI history is limited.
Watched this video while cleaning and lubing my 1948 Remington model 81 in 300 Savage for the 2020 Nebraska deer season.
That "War were declared" scene always gets a chuckle from me.
This is the one I’ve been waiting for. I love the Model 8.
Thanks!
Can we all agree that Othais' beard just gets more majestic every episode ?
I wish I could just sit and talk gun history with Othais for a few hours one day over a few drinks and maybe a stogie... Also I hope this all eventually leads to Small arms of WW2
They already plan on going into ww2 but only after the get all the weapons on ww1
Then they can torture us by holding the M1911A1 until the very end.
@@paladin50554 hey gotta save the best for last 🐻
Civil war would be cool too
Vietnam would also be cool. So many cool small arms from so many eras used from 1945-1975
Yay primer! I’ll just finish watching the wrap up of Finnish brutality and I’ll be right back 👍
Excellent Red Green reference...if the ladies don't find you handsome, you aren't Othias 😍
But what do Croz and Lewis think of this rifle?
"Weee wheee wheeet!"
years ago I inherited a model 8 from my grandfather, it was the first.30 cal rifle I ever shot. I have put many rounds through it with no issues great rifles
At last, my all time fave. Thanks C&Rsenal.
Another fact filled and interesting episode. Keep them coming.
Another beautiful piece from the master, himself.
Othias I want you Mae, Mark and Bruno to know you make my iron the big iron
Been waiting for this. Awesome video.👍👍👍
You Sir do an excellent job.
Very impressed with the whole video.
Thank you for your content I'm a huge fan especially the anvil series, thanks
I have one in 25, one in 30 and one in 35 Remington. These were the guns used by the old timers for deer when I was a kid in Michigan. John Browning design steeped in personal nostalgia, I think I need a 32 Remington too! The take down was important because up through the thirties many people still relied on trains to get to hunting country. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan being a case in point. You could put the Remington auto loading and pump action rifles in a suitcase.
Yep, in NW Wisconsin 40 years ago there were always 2-3 of these in the local used gun rack.
Great video guys.
My great grandfather brought a model 8 back from his service in ww1 which is still in my family. Further proof that they were used in service. Great video!
what a fine shot!
Me: I have an 8 AM college class
See’s C&Rsenal video on an obscure WW1 gun: welp, chemistry can wait
The only chemistry you need to know is charcoal+sulfur+saltpeter.
I have to transport a felon across the state tomorrow....call the jail - he will wait until we get there.
@@evanulven8249 I would argue that nitric acid + sulfuric acid + cellulose is important, too, but I guess the world did survive for quite a few years without smokeless powder.
@@evanulven8249 That's a bit smokey...
Nitration chemistry can be useful too.... 💥
always enjoy your video's , you really cover these guns with solid info
I have a later model 81, great rifle, the 35 Remington hits like a ton of bricks! Love that gun!
👍 for finally offering an alternative to Patreon.
Last time I was this early Remington was able to make guns that functioned and not just a piggy bank for a parasitic conglomerate
John Browning's body whirrs a-spinnin' in the grave...
Please proofread before posting so we can understand what you’re trying to say
@@AlleyCat643 I understood the comment perfectly, they use to make really good guns, but now they just pump out crap, and rely on their namesake.
Nikki McDowell everyone hates a grammar nazi
@@ReptilianLepton but can we use that energy to cycle a firearm?
Hey Othais great video, I have my Great Grandmothers, (yes Gran-Gran's) Model-8 in .30 Remington and it still shoots like a dream. Handloads with 150 grain Barnes-X gives 2511 fps at the muzzle and very mild recoil like Mae mentioned. It's to bad your examples didn't have the Tang-Peep sight with the two size flip aperture. I believe Mae as well as you would love one with the Peace Officers Equipment Company of St. Joseph, Missouri's early 15, 10, or 5 shot detectable magazine. As for Gran-Gran's rifle I will never sell, nor trade it off, it will be pasted down with the proviso that it stay in the family.
Thank y’all, keep it up
I've been looking forward to this video for far too long.
Wow...I see so many modern firearms in the different parts. Very cool video guys
This is possibly my favourite gun of the period, I wish we could own them in the UK. So glad you did a video on it, even if it didn't see much use.
Terrific episode
Yes!! New Primer!
If you want 35 Remington performance in a modern gun look at 350 Legend. The wildcat 357 AR was made to replicate the 35 Remington in an AR15. (Then it was loaded somewhat hotter because the case and gun could handle it.)
After about 8 years of development (by wildcatters) Winchester decided to call it the 350 Legend and start making guns and ammo.
Best non episode episode ever!!!
Its amazing to see the intermediate cartridge, action and function of the firearm in relation to modern tech. I'd love to see a video of this weapon of how or if attributed to the apex of military arms and intermediate rifles in its cross culture/ time frame evolution. Perhaps even cross channel interviews, like with Forgotten Weapons or with Vickers Tactical, etc...
So awesome to learn about the history behind these guns. I happen to own a Model 81 version myself, it was the very first gun I bought when I turned 18 years old because I love the mechanics behind it. I've always thought the long recoil action gives a softened kick that is more comfortable (I ought to mention too though that the one I have is in .30 Remington, which is equivalent to 30-30, it even uses the exact same reloading information). It was very reassuring to find out that I'm not the only person who fights with stripper clips in this model of gun, I happen to have two that I was able to acquire for a mere $15 each and they always give me a really hard time. I can confirm that the 8 & 81's are truly a 4+1 style magazine as both I and my work boss have one, and neither of us can manage to get the last round down far enough to ride the bolt over it. I hate to say it but I'm so close to replacing the stock on the 81 I have, I know original stocks give it more value but the one I have has two square-shaped, non-wood patches that are very off-color and unsightly, and the foregrip has two cutouts, one with a very nice ivory diamond but the cutout for the other ivory diamond (which some owner before me lost) has been filled in with another poorly done off-color patch.
So many technologies were so new in the Great War. This gun is yet another really cool “what if” situation in this series.
It's fascinating that a company would try to hardball the man who's brain was the source of almost all of their profit. Hello. You do not have the leverage here, genius.
Note to future CEOs: when a situation like this arises, pay the man.
Hah ! Tell that to Ford. After advertising for years they wanted inventors to contact them,the guy who invented cruise control did. They returned his invention, no commercial application,then released the identical device within a short time. Then fought him in court for years. The mindset of most senior corporation officers is utterly different from the men who created those very corporations. Stock options and personal aggrandizement seem to short circuit real sense.
paul manson exactly
The problem is that the vast majority of those at the top of the company do not have or came from the technical side of the product they market. There are exceptions and perhaps the first or so generation of the company founders had the background, but sooner or later it's the money and marketing people who sits in the big office and their focus is not innovation, but the bottom line. And this is seen in the relationship between Winchester and Browning because even though Winchester bought many if not all of of John Browning's design before the relationship soured, most of it was to keep them out of the hands of competitors rather than for Winchester to used in a product line. This is one reason why Winchester paid Browning a lump sum instead of royalties because there most likely would not be any royalties. The other thing to keep in mind is that when a company grows to a certain size and has locked in a large share of the market, there exists a real potential where the company ends up being its own competitor. For example, if a company produce rifle A which captures a large client base, and then introduce rifle B, any gain from the sales of rifle B comes at the cost of rifle A's sales. - or vice versa.
@@paulmanson253 The term "industrial robber baron" came about for good reasons. In a world where true royalty and their monarchies are dead or dying, businessmen become the new aristocrats.
They definitely do not think like ordinary people.
@@raifsevrence This... The super rich more often than not lead lives completely detached from normality and reality. And can often end up becoming really awful people as a result. Especially those born into such wealth.
Great review. Cool gun.
Just happened to buy one of these at the store today in .30 Rem.
On my model 81 I found that m14 5 round stripper clips work really well
ive got an early Remington auto loading rifle in .35 with out the tear drop shaped flat spring on the side of the magazine. ive fired around 400 rounds without any feed problems. it seems to be quite a reliable accurate well made rifle.
I was ready this time... kept my dinner warm waiting for this. God I gotta get a life. Or one of these rifles.
'The Red Green Rifle'. You sir deserve a thumbs up. Keep your stick on the ice!
I have a 1947 Model 81 in .300 savage that I'm rather fond of and it seems some previous owner was too. It has at least one set of marks indicating a return trip to the factory for repairs, a rubber recoil pad that is still in impressively good shape, and interestingly enough, a tiny little button compass imbedded into the stock, a very interesting and relatively practical modification for a rifle you intend to be out wandering the woods with. A very nice rifle for it's intended job. I've almost found that the easiest way to load singly is to load it a bit like the Winchester 1895 chambered for a rimmed cartridge, you put the base in first with the nose up at an angle and tilt the cartridge down and slide it back at the same time. Works great for the 1st 4 rounds, but the 5th round is never going to be easy in either .300 Savage or .35 Remington because they are more or less jammed into the feed lips to be fed in right away and don't really sit in the magazine. It's essentially a 4+1 sort of setup.
Thanks!
All model-8/81/1900 are 5-shot magazine rifles. What does happen from time to time, is the follower spring may have been installed backwards after detailed cleaning.
Damnit I wish you'd put this video out sooner before I modeled this thing. So much good internal reference imagery.
I love this dudes personality.
The other gun I own and have been waiting for and watching it just sit on the rack. I’ve never had a clip for mine in 30 rem but just loading one at a time is much faster than Mae trying to use the clip. It’s funny you mentioned this cartridge in ar-15 357AR or as they call it now 350 legend or 300 HAM’R for 30-30. +1 on disassembly of the barrel jacket
The "Bro, you left the safety on" right after 11:50 cracked me up!
Bliss, with coffee, best start to a day
Love the shows.
These videos are some awesome everytime i watch one i get a new wrinkle on my brain
Saw a cool one with a side mounted scope once, such a cool old school rifle!
Well it’s about time!
Such good stuff! Thank you. The Remington 8 is now on my collection list and that doesn't happen lightly. Your intro has fascinated me with the Rem 35 cartridge. Loved the air-to-air account -- just wow! The backstory on JMB and his travails with Win-Rem-FN was great new info...and I lived in O-Town, Land of Og, Ogden.
If you don't mind the feedback, allow me to respectfully note that repetition of information chaffes a bit when OAL grows longer than an hour -- this was a 50-min. show. You explain concepts quite well and so I get it the first time. Transitions are tough for anyone, perhaps belabored here: No need to explain the backstory of backstory -- just "the background was...." War Were Declared rocks...for the first 2 seconds. "We've made room for May" is self evident. May needs no introduction, coaching, preamble, cribbing, priming, set up, prep, cues, lead-in, overture, preface, or prologue beyond, "What do you think, May?" She is a phenomenon unto herself. She's done one or two of these. We were there. If memory serves, she was there. You wuz there. We're all on the same page.
I had a wonderful old buddy -- early-'Nam vintage -- who was a walking encyclopedia of firearms information. He got me hooked on collecting weird old creatures. On his passing he willed me his library and (empty) gun cabinet; I've since filled it twice with guns he used to tell me about. I wish like hell we could've watched your show together and shared notes. That would've been the best! In saying so, I can pay you no higher compliment or note of respect.
Clicked as soon as i got the notification!
Just grabbed the model 8 out of the cabinet. Tonight’s the night old girl!
You had me in the first half, I ain't gonna lie.
laughed at "bro you left the safety on". thanks for another excellent video!
Also, the bit about the merger at 22:40 -- I'll take it over today's branding in a second though:
'No family names, and let's be hip by hitting a counter-cultural note... Ultimate 'Merican Carbine! UMC! UMC! UMC!"
You’ve finally put “I didn’t raise my boy to be a soldier”!
IIRC it’s the first time you put this song.
Gotta love the Red Green reference!
One day, when I'm made of money, I hope to track down an FN 1900 rifle. The idea of an FN marked, flat-ribbed barrel Model 8 is just fantastic.
I've never really been interested in these, not a fan of long recoil shoulder weapons but this episode has changed my mind, I want one too.
@@wingracer1614 Just bought a Model 8 in .35 Rem today, 98% blue for $750. Came back here to remind myself on some history, definitely try and get one, they feel fantastic and .35 rem is 'only' around a dollar a shot.
C&Rsenal bringing historical arms to the younger generation of custodians via words like “rad” & “dope”.
Yes, because that's what the kids used to say, 20 years ago, lol
Beautiful rifle. My Grandfather had a Model 81, the subsequent rifle to this one (1936-1957), in .300 Savage. It was his "deer rifle" and when I was young I thought Grandpa was hunting deer with a shotgun, because of that barrel shroud. Granddad was a gun guy and a Browning lover. He had as many Browning designed guns as he could get. If Browning designed it, he wanted it!
I inherited that rifle, along with several other great Browning designed guns, when he passed away in 1983. I had acquired another .300 Savage in the meantime, a Savage Model 99, and in my opinion the .300 Savage is THE BEST deer cartridge ever designed. I still shoot the old Remington rifle occasionally. It is essentially the same rifle, but has a pistol grip and they added the .300 Savage cartridge. The rifle, like other long recoil guns, has an unusual recoil impulse making it unique to shoot. I am not sure I can say it "kicks harder" than other .300 Savage rifles, but it is different.
Note that the trigger and sear system on this rifle is virtually identical to the AR-15, the safety is similar to the AK47. Browning was quite a genius!
The Red and Green show reference was on point.
This rifle has a fabulous story.
I bought one made in 1907 chamberd in 30-30 rem and I love it I payed $50 for a stripper clip and the only ammo I have was made 70 to 80 years ago and it still goes bang!
If you reload new brass can be purchased from Grafs.com, load data is the same as that for .30-30 Winchester. Luckily the 8's and 81's have a vertical ejection path and finding your brass is pretty easy.
@@kylemichaels3373 I've Ben saving money to buy the dies they are pricey brass is about $1 a case.
Just learned about the 1941 Johnson and studying it’s design and this one I see a lot of similarities that the Johnson likely owes to this design. The recoil (short in the Johnson, long here) the recoil spring in a tube in the buttstock, the hanging tail off the rotating bolt, the takedown though done differently, and the bolt handle for sure all are similar.
I'm not going to lie to you Othias, I am not a fan of that new animation. It may or may not be just as practical, and hell maybe it's even more practical, but the previous aesthetic you guys went with for so long is much cooler and fun to stare at.
The old method would have taken 600+ hours as you dtart over for every new angle. From scratch.
Does anyone know the song used in the intro? Love these videos and how very detailed they are. Helps someone getting onto the vintage WW1&2 firearms.