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that dude completely missed the point
Don't think he was ever aiming for it. His entire video seems like a thinly-veiled personal attack on TMM. He doesn't really address anything -- he's just constantly "TMM is dumb, he's wrong, I dislike him".
@@StandardsFtw "But I'm not attacking TMM."
^Any time someone says this, especially repeatedly, you know they spewing some BS. If it's not obvious that you aren't personally attacking someone, you're doing something wrong.
10 planes flew overhead
@@aidanklobuchar1798 Pretty much. Dude is transparent as fuck and it shows in his language, even if he doesn't realize it.
community:
nina is hard at high level play
tmm:
nina is easy at low and intermediate
community:
no because nina is hard at high level
Did he really compare Nina strings to Bryan's taunt jet uppercut?
Like what MainMan said he only thinks about high level play lol
Well both are easy.. Bryan's is easier.. on PC ranked (blue ranks) i meet Bryans that hit it 100% of the time.
@LwNickV perhaps thats due to the difference between hitbox/keyboards and arcade sticks. Landing taunt jet upper on a stick is not an “easy” thing to do.
🤣haha
LwNickV damn those guys must be gods. even jimmyjtran can miss taunt jet upper
I like how he said "I'm not trying to flame Main Man", but shows the Google Search saying "Lists of things Main Man knows nothing about" Talk about backpedaling dude.
He was constantly insulting him lmao
......yall internet way too much... God bless
To add that "apprently" wow nice spelling
Thats not backpedalling, thats hypocrisy
I'm not trying to flame MainMan except I am, only attempting to be indirect about it because I'm a vagina
“Harmful for the community”
Now, I’m no Tekken God or anything, but I’m pretty sure this dude is wildin’
SoggyHotDoggy 🤣🤣
I am very harmed from TMMs opinions. They might kill me.
Filthly Paul overlord here lolololol I’m here to d F 2 lol
Everyone: Nina mains can't get anymore butthurt than this
TMM: hold my arcade stick
nase 274 TMM: Hold my masku
@@jazzz2483 accurate XD
@@AsilAygun you really like cheap Nina dont you?
perhaps the nina guy doesn't like to hear opinions when his waifu is being called an 'easy character'.
@@KavalTerbang i think - easy character is a compliment for Nina
"Everyone has hard to counter strings."
The words of a player who has never even heard of Gigas.
I've never come across gigas anywhere in online
Who's Gigas? Sounds like a cool tank chsracter.
haven't you heard of Kazuyas amazing string 1,2,4,3 😂😂😂
Shaheen would like a word too
The sad part is that in addition to Leo, my secondary is Gigas. And Jesus is it hard to do well against someone who even knows a slight bit of defense and fundamentals.
He compared nina strings to Taunt.
His point instantly dismissed.
LMFAO BIG FACTS
Dumb people as always. Taunt Jets were completely different to Ninas Strings. Plus the taunt is freakin spammable. High tier with big spam controls. Srsly. Nothing in this world is balanced.
You telling me taunt is spammable? Even though the one hit it does is slow? So if your spamming it, you should be getting launched.
Try again.
@@OgiRaime , yea damn it. Thanks for that. I kind of forgot that Taunt has a slow animation attack. My bad.
@@OgiRaime i was kind of bit escalated since i dont pretty understand people when they go thru this. I got problems on gaming here in PH so yea.
the guy : Nina isn’t cheap
JDCR called Nina “difficult but cheap” in his stream recently
will you argue with JD tho?
Bita He wont because JDCR isn’t a high youtube tekken profile and cant argue his points good in english.
Jack Dick Cooldown Reduction
@@magnus00125 Bitch what?
He really said that lmao
I am nina player and i agree
And everything the mainman says about nina is 100%true
I dunno man,deathfist into deathfist solves my lifes problems
And when they start to punish it just do demoman.
I saw even great players like qudans, cbm, father etc struggle against it
And it works 100% of the time against me too
Lmao
sidewalk, dorya, dorya
Exactly, deathfist ftw
Idk man for me as a Law player ff3 to ff3 solves my problems
"Everyone is the same" *Low damage Yoshimitsu with weak set of basic tools, risky pokes and highly specialised tools laughing in the distance*
"While spinning away"
@@RoraSprintah running away and stabs himself 1000 times
@@manjiookami7962 I recently discovered he can sacrifice some of his health and heal the opponent for some reason
Why does Yoshimitsu have weak pokes? He has some pretty effective cheese himself.
@@atuls55 yep like unblockable low
MainMan: Good arguments and solid answers
This guy: EVERY CHARACTER IS THE SAME
Nina is super spammable 😂😂😂
This guy: EVERY CHARACTER IS THE SAME AND I'M A COMPLETE AND UTTER DEGENERATE, THAT'S WHY I WASN'T EVER ABLE TO BECOME A PRO PLAYER
Just typing his inner thoughts, he seems a little too shy to admit it. Typical brain dead fighting game player, one that plays Nina and refuses to agree to reality to make it worse.
Dante Sparda reminds me of ddd players in smash.
TMM used to say this too but ofc he say for high lvl
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dude generalizes everything and cherry picks what he argues against. Typical online loser who says nothing of substance but thinks he knows more. Uses sarcasm to cover lack of knowledge
exactly what i was thinkning
that's black people for ya
@@bludika what
@@bludika LMFAO
Hit the nail on the head
"every character is the same"
I guess this means gigas is as easy as noctis huh
Lazuline I main gigas 😭😭😭 he’s ruining my life.
@@KingCrease98 chill brother.. im a gigas main,juz know its not ur fault.. just do your best and be proud
@@herokiryu2652 is gigas a good beginner character or nah?
@@backpackjosh2653 he is a very interesting character , but he's very limited with his tools with a laughable SS and back dash but I do recommend the character he is hella fun.
@@Not14 thanks man I'll give it a try
Man said easy to do and then he brought up taunt wall presure
taunt*
I stopped watching after the dude said Nina strings are as hard as wall taunt jet upper :3 I’m done.
The guy also said Hell Sweep is as easy as DF,3,4,4 string.😂😂😂
@Death comes to all Hellsweep is easy to do.. but to apply it at its most effective level is where the difficulty comes in, in comparison to Ninas
@Death comes to all yikes
"Harmful to the fighting game community"
lol cringe
TMM probably helped more people to get better in tekken then the other guy ever will.
lmao
@@ultraboy99x Tbh i think this guy is harmful to the fighting game community. Because you'll feel like a dumbass getting rekt by those strings and you don't know that everybody struggles against it. It's the git gud about bullshit mentality. Like dark souls shitty hitboxes.
@@HeyMomonia shoutouts to unpatched twin greatsword L1 string
Yeah, I think he's being just a tiny bit melodramatic...
"Just low parry"
Tries to parry an almost unseeable low
*gets launched*
That made me laugh way too much! thanks needed that
""CaN oPeNeR" iS hiGHly TeLeGrApHeD" 😐😑😐😑
it's High Low High why you want low parry ?? if he block low she whiff high you just punish starter
@@horigintoki4263 but you see my good friend... Nina can cancel that string and hit you with a mid, or can end other strings in a mid which proves that ducking against Nina can be costly. Its a high risk low reward against Nina
@@Murkcity11207 the middle take time to do you can punish before she do it... if you block the low you can punish her. the only think she can do , it's cancel the mouvement but she can't press anymore.
“Harmful to fgc”
Continues to tell people who don’t like it not to play fighting games
How is that harmful?
Someone forgot tmm went to law school
He definitely used his Law school knowledge here, hahaha
Yeah like how Mainman was selective about what he showed when commentating on the original anti Nina instructional video and put words in his mouth to make him look elitist. Watch the end of that original vid where he says it can be ridiculously hard to deal with all the strings at once. I wonder why Mainman left that bit out when he was criticizing it?
@@atuls55 Found a Nina player
@@atuls55 Because that part wasn't on the video? And it literally doesn't change anything about what he said
This is a fun game to play with the comments section. I'm become rather fond of "find the Nina main". Its like Wheres Waldo but funnier
Mainman:Breaths
Butthurts:AAAAA HES STEALING OUR OXYGEN
Masood 😂😂😂😂
@Masood your gonna make a video out of this guys contradicting himself and making himself look like a dumbass right haha
Hahaha genius
LOOOOOOOOOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
just play against him with nina and prove your point Kappa.
He would just say its cause he's a really good player or some bs he needs a green rank nina to come in and show this guy whose boss
Ni-Mo THIS lmfao
No....that would not prove his point. Main Man was VERY clear. Hes talking about the intermediate level and the guy who made this video is beyond the newbie/intermediate level.
@@blaccpanther8715 what's his rank anyway? Like why does he get so offended and think anyone wants her nerfed to oblivion. It's almost like he achieved her to high level by being a "scrub killer", and now he is tasting that he doesn't get a knockdown on -12
@@blaccpanther8715 I bet you that guy wouldn't even block those strings on reaction himself.
Classic Nina enthusiast. Completely misses the point and falsifies a narrative against you.
How is it "classic" how many times did this happen?
I dont get that mentality either. I'm a Paul main player, I love the character, been using him since Tekken1. But I admit he has cheese to him even though he us well balanced. The only character in the game that doesnt have cheese is Shaheen. And screw that guy for trying to call out my baby Josie.
@@rogerjr.6588 *HoW iS iT "CLaSsiC"?*
@@SShaBazzz nah, i think even shaheen has some cheese. He has the classic lee-law-now shaheen, slide mixup, which has probably caused a few broken controllers, the hopkick range, and a 14 frame launcher with rage. He is probably the least cheesy character in the game, with Kazumi a wee bit behind him.
@@grandpanoogie2665 the reason I wouldnt call his slide cheese is because it becomes obvious that he is setting up for slide. So it forces the Shaheen user to really think and guess "should I mix up and go for the launcher instead?" And if he does mix up and its blocked, he gets punished. Maybe you could call that cheese but for me, I would consider it good play because you cant just throw it out willy nilly.
Also, Yea Kazumi is pretty lactose intolerant as well. She is pretty clean.
"Can be harmful to the fighting game community" But then goes to say (About wall pressure) "If you don't like it, don't play fighting games"
Lol
Tell the truth
When you realise that the Nina player has an IQ of -69
The perfect number for Nina players
Not a nina player... he plays Feng
@@honeybee4208 please don't say that, I don't want anyone getting pissed off at Feng lol (I main him and Armor King)
@@cartoonworld1000 I'm not out here trying to hate on Feng. Or Feng mains. I'm just letting you know
@@cartoonworld1000 also, everyone has their opinions on everything. He went the wrong way around approaching his opinion and got a huge backlash but this guy is actually really nice.
Its not about defending Ninas stuff on reaction. Its about defending against her strings on reaction online. Good luck low parrying can opener on 3 bars lol
You got the point.
I think i'm an avg player who knows how to duck punish, low parry moves, relatively good movement sidestep and shit and i would say for my level its hard to low parry a move when opponent is pressuring u so hard. Sometimes i dont try to attempt a low parry to Law's junkyard bcoz i'm holding back and its difficult to change to df fast. When u get hit by the 1st move of a string u automatically press back or db to block rest of string, not sidestep or low parry, thats like pro level play. For Nina or Hwo, when u dont duck punish their high or low parry their lows they will get a lot of momentum n more pressure and u'll get a lot of headache trying to find another opening discarding ur previous mistake and tension builds up leading to more mistakes;duck on mids, and finally 7 golden letters for a mistake on not ducking a high move in a seeable string. 😂
@@tempo8462 That pro level thing doesnt mean that much online. Im TGP but I still struggle to defend against Ninas strings online although I know excatly what to do. Kings grabs are kinda similar. I play against the best Tekken players in EU on a regular basis. Most of them cant do shit against my grabs online. Well, PS4 online matches are worthless anyways.
@@senor6909 Kings grab is my worst fear XD
Lol,don't know why I Hate Nina Players.They just Spam A Move,sometimes they Ki charge and never skip scene.And when they about to lose they Rage quit
ok but why is a s2 orange rank arguing with you ?
Don't you know? Orange ranks know everything and are better than every single one of us
So if I'm a Yellow rank does that make me a God?
@@angryassyrian5627 beyond that my friend
@UCI-0RDIqeu6hPLzKclWsKuw But, if you understand the game, shouldn't it show in how you play or how you progress in the game (e.g. your rank going up)?
Not really I only play player matches and have like 500 odd hours on pc, ranked is a mix of sweaty opponents and long wait times, player matches are normally much more fun unless you run into a ranked player who has plateau'd those mother fuckers go hard in a match that doesn't add to their rank
Classic example of a person who doesnt do enough research from the person he is talking about
Nobody:
That guy: evErY CHaRacTer hAS thIs
Imagine heihachi doing can opener
*Stares at Prototype Jack
Yo I'm waiting for Jin to do a matterhorn into Phoenix stance
You know every character has those
@@hi-tec5574 Heihachi doing Ora and Warp Strike
Imagine king's df4,3,4 being plus instead of launch punishable lmao
if you start learning tekken and u face those characters like eddy and nina, it is 100% difficult (and maybe free for the opponent). there are good players for all characters but what TMM is saying is some characters got MUCH easier tools and setups. in the case of nina, most people just wont have that knowledge OR reaction time to deal with a lot of her stuff. this guy is talkin about practice then bring up bryan taunt wall game? literally most pros arent even trying taunt set ups besides jimmy j and knee.
facing nina in green ranks ttt2 was like a death sentence. strings strings 10 hit combo into tag assault. your like when does she stop?
Eddy is my nightmare! Can't even block against his shit XD I still have a lot to learn
You do realise the guy wasnt talking about taunt jet upper right?
He showed taunt into b4 bryans knee which isnt all that hard to do.
you dont have to be knee to do some basic bryan taunt stuff like taunt in to jabs or back 4.
@@someguy666 even that is less abusable than a nina strings. They only occur when the bryan player corners his opponent with enough pressure.
Nina is flowchart character just rotate the strings and setups and intermediate cant do a thing or struggle. Im not calling Nina invincible but the point is she is abusable at low and intermediate level.
Bryan taunt set ups do not work at low level cause they dont block and only attack. And it is mostly a set up like how u have unblockables set up. Its like saying that kazuya s unblockable uppercut at the wall makes him invincible.
@@someguy666 taunt b+4 is still harder than Nina's shit.
dude straight up sounds like a leafy clone
NinaIsHere, amirite?
Dude, TMM literally called my main garbage in his tierlist video and I laughed it off like everyone else. But when he even SUGGESTS that Nina can be easy to play in lower ranks, this guy loses it...
Lol same I play Chloe and every time he puts her in the dumpster in every tier list he makes I laugh cause I know it’s true 😂😂
Brian but those are the best things about her. Nina’s strength is on the wall, you’re not getting to the wall in a lot of stages without iws1.
Brian in some stages yes but a lot of them you’ll need it
Brian from experience at high levels, you won’t and I play multiple characters. Nina is an easy character (shitty though) without animation cancels, wall carries, hayashida step, poison mist, iwr 1+2. To optimize the full potential of the character you have to learn everything.
@@MD-zu4br well lucky for you LC is a lot better in s3
"You can learn to low parry this on reaction very easily"
this guy says while showing him doing it in practice mode, never against anyone in a real match, after already making a point against tmm about practice mode being that much easier to execute things in
Thats exactly the Response i was expecting from Nina players.
Trash.
well well well, i think the tmm community is cancer and trash, not him my boy!
Now you hate on nina players just because tmm started hating on nina players, try developing your own personality and youll have better opinions, good luck.
@Erykaldo 120 That makes no sense.
@@rogerjr.6588 You're basing everything on assumptions. Stop it.
@Mac Loud No sense again.
that guy is missing the point so hard
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo much
This isn't a reaction video...
This is... Murder.
⚰️⚰️⚰️
R/murdered by words
great video as always :) i love how calm and critical TMM is when presented an argument. This video proves he really does know what he's talking about. You have my respect!
He will become a lawyer after all
@@HeyMomonia I was going to say this.
What he said wrong : everything. Thats a strong argument. Soon there will be a video explaining that noctis and katarina are hard characters. I got an idea. Lets make a game. Mainman with nina and that other dude with kazuya. Everyone is the same anyway lol
That would be an interesting set to watch.actually, I would be interested in watching that 0_o
me with anyone vs this orange scrub with his nina
@@thevendetta9726 Even gigass?
@@HeyMomonia Especially Gigass.
Katarina is a super hard character, actually. Just yesterday, i broke my finger mashing 4 for the 10 millionth time that round.
As a King and Lee main, I completely agree with MainMan. I mean, come on. Nina from all the way in T4 could create situations with built in 50/50 mixups built into her strings. Beginn/Intermed ranks would have a hell of a time playing Nina because her damage output nets almost the same reward regardless of your level of execution. Trying to constantly go into b2,f *mist step cancel* combos to even get more than 60dmg with Lee requires A LOT. #teamMainMan.
I've always respected Lee mains as a warrior Alisa (started in January) you have to work to so hard to do good damage with Lee. With Alisa, I can just use her amazing punishers and movement to win rounds. But nothing is ever truly easy. If they do know to turtle against the match up then it's difficult :(
Im King and Lee main too xD ... i play tekken 7 since march 2018 . And i every time im waiting to get match I always practice on Lee b2 f and Kings ff1 juggle . Idk if im perfected it but from 100 times I think i get it 60 times at least. The thing is ... fuck Nina main.
@@thebecause7671 let's not get it twisted, I respect Nina players (well all players) especially if they can consistently land that "butterfly" wall carry. But MainMan has a point to be noted.
Damn we're pretty close, I main Armor King and Lee, but I'm starting to move towards Feng to replace Lee. I'm keeping Armor King for sure though.
I'm a Tekken 7 noob. Can you please let me know what does "50/50" mean? TMM says this a lot and I don't have a clue what this means..
Also why does TMM say "Masku" at the start in every video? Any idea?
Apparently, People can't take sarcasm.
When TMM said that Eliza is easy I didn't even care.
In my opinion, a character is hard when you start playing with it, but If you practice with that character it become easier....
Except Katarina: the embodiment of easiest character to use.
aaand noctis
Kat the best
Why even pretend that there isn't massive varying levels of difficulty in the characters?
@@AlwaysRetr0 in fact there isn't.
Since when did we care if a character is hard or not?
I couldn't care less about it.
Lei is chad.
"Like-minded Subpeople". "Like-minded subscrubbers". "Hive-minded Nina players" who all agree that she is the most difficult char in the game. Always is. Always was. Always will be. These Nina players are just a fountain of fun content.
Them's fighting words imo
Had to mute every time that guy spoke.
He sounds so ignorant and probably made that video to hopefully get some clout from it.
@@m.2933
@@m.2933 and i play master raven. Whattayaknow??
@@StemusSimulSolus Maver
The Grammarians Of Last Days gay
so by this guy's logic continuous wave dash into low or mid is as easy as pressing uf+ and bunch of buttons. Good to know.
And i think he took offense to main man 's getting hard joke.
This Nina player needs to try Gigas cuz Gigas has no cheese at all
Bruh, Nina mains will go extinct if they do that. Gigas is cursed.
Not even a single cheese... :'(
No back up, no panic, no cheese, Gigas is homeless...he has nothing.
lets be honest u gigas mains like that he has no strings so u can make fun of ur ppl bc they lost to gigas
@@causaIity shhhhh plus hes really fun
The guy's really trying to sound wise. Sad for him that it's not fooling anybody..
TMM-kun you should have a match with him as Nina.
He is actually wise. Sad you're being fooled by main man :(
@@sinfulSeif yup, found the alt account here 👆
@@ba5ic519 🤡🤡
the point
the dude who made the video
I dont see one
I get it.
Guy: "It's extremely easy to low parr-"
Me: "Wat"
"I mean basically nobody uses it after red ranks"
yes and the 70% of the community below those ranks just don't matter
it's also really goddamn hard to abuse strings with yoshi
interview this dude already he is just twisting your words to make you look bad
He would probably interrupt, talk out of turn and do other stuff to shut any opposing argument so maybe it's better not to do that.
MarimaruXD yeah I can almost guarantee he would, just by the tone of his voice
He's one of those assholes who wouldn't listen to an opposing point, regardless of how correct they may be
I'm a fan.
Please... I know you want to protect your good reputation.
Don't waste your time with negative people.
I support you 💯 %
What i see when the main man is doing this, he is creating a conversation about Nina.
What I see is hes making his best most popular content
Out of the whole. Fgc tekken players are in the bigest denial of their game's problems
I'd add SFV players to that list as well.
@@bartdude82 thas is quite true ass well.
@@bartdude82 I literally left SFV for Tekken 7, and I'm a lifelong Capcom and SF fan, the DLC prices are killing me. I hate the whole fight money crap. I was able to buy the complete Tekken 7 for a good price.
Nina main gets butthurt and makes a very valid case:
"EvEry ChaRAcTer HaS ThiS"
"TaUnt JeT uPpEr aND niNA sTrinGS aRE tHe sAmE".
How don't the Nina mains understand that it's just about Nina being rather easy on lower levels of skill?
HoW dArE yOu SaY mY wAi.... MaIn Is EaSy To PlAy? DoN't YoU kNoW AbOuT tHiS sUpEr HaRd cOmBo?
heymomonia One JuSt LoW pArRy On ReAcTiOn BrO iTs NoT tHaT hArD!
We understand lol, trust me we do.
I like using Nina but I don't want to be labeled like this guy who made this video.
You can play her bruh this has nothing to do about you it's about people who say nina is the hardest character ever without acknowledging the facts.
She has cheese and strings that are hard to counter at beg and int level of play that's it
And she doesn't need the butterfly combos to do good damage
I'm a Lee main though...
@@Leadblast Nah man they're not all bad but a lot of them are elitists like jin mains
Ps. I'm a jin main myself but i'm not an elitist yes we exist
John Francis Buhay Are you really? Lee mains are endangered species now.
@@doublejacketjimmy391 They switch to katarina
You know, this Nina problem has just given me a further respect for noctus, Katarina, xiouyu and other lab/easier characters. Just think about it.
The main man makes videos about how noctus, Katarina, xiouyu, etc are strong/cheap.
The fanbase of those characters: yeah our main can be kinda cheap at times.
Main man: and nina-
Nina community:REEEEEEEEEE
You don't remember how much the noctis mains cried then lmao
@@HeyMomonia did they really? I guess the backlash must have not at been as bad as Nina considering I don't remember it
@@amosjohnson6348 You should watch the first video of mainman picking noctis
I remember some players bitching about it
But we never got youtube videos and all
This is on an other level with nina mains lmao
Even I admit Yoshi can be a cheesy ho sometimes... but he does need creativity... But I don't wanna hear 1 bad word about Maven or else Reeeeee
@@HeyMomonia I played Noctis before the memes... like litterally waited in the psn store cuz ffxv was a game I anticipated for like 12 years
at 31:23 TMM seems like an old prostitue explaining to some new blood who fell in love with a client that no, that fine lawyer doesn't really love her and no, he won't change her life and take her away from the brothel. He has the same energy and i love him XD
XDDDD I laughed so hard
Same...
Un commento di Orion in un video di Tekken. Ora posso morire felice
Honestly, I think I understand where this guy is coming from. He's absolutely clapped, and a massive insecure twat who's just bashing TMM on a personal level, don't get me wrong. But he's just so consumed by his personal experience and knowledge over Nina's gaps that he cannot seem to put himself in another's shoes, and see the strengths. When you're playing a character, you see the weak side, when you play against a character you see the strong side. I was the same, and I'll explain:
So on Soul Calibur 6, my character Grøh, I considered a mid-tier character who had problems opening up turtles. But when discussing with my friend, he thought the character was ez S-tier. We had a back and forth and before I even noticed he pointed out that i simply was highlighting the weaknesses exclusively. Without considering his great moves. And overall, it changed my opinion to be more well-rounded and consider things equally.
Tl;dr this guy merely is putting his experience of playing nina (and probably being countered by high level players) first. without actually taking note of how he wins and formulating an opinion from both sides. (through the characters strengths, the strings are one of them.)
god i wrote an essay, fork.
Butthurt Nina-spam boy... I advise you to try Bryan and then we talk how hard Nina is to play in ranked.
And gigas
If you weren't a fucktard then you would know he plays Bryan
He should try lee that's pure hell for nina players that love so much comparing them without knowing wtf they're talking about
@@HeyMomonia I'm Armor King main and I use Lee, you have to work harder to get the damage, but he has the swag lol
Man, it's insane how spot on a lot of TMM's points are. They have really resonated with me and my Mishima experience in T7. It was my first fighting game, and a lot of the points this other guy made have felt incredibly ignorant as they felt like they were trying hard to invalidate everything I went through.
Kazuya player here and i feel u even if it has been 2 years i hope u still playing a mishima bro
@@GutsTheWise Nah, rage quit half a year ago
@@yohtaoken how you doing now?
The response is out of context of the original argument:
1. "Nina is easy to play and hard to counter and therefore overall can't be labelled as one of the hardest in the game" was in response to Nina players who claim she's one of the most difficult characters in the game. The response just addresses this in general and says that every character has stuff that's hard to deal with.
-Yes, agreed but not all characters are claimed to be incredibly difficult.
2. "Nina's pressure strings are easier to deal with in practice than in real matches or online" was in response to another response video that demonstrated how to counter Nina's strings. With most strings having deceptively similar startups and Nina herself being a niche character most players will struggle to counter these strings in real matches. The response again addresses this in general and says that everything is easier to counter in practice than in real matches. MainMan responded to the Nina counter video and didn't make a general statement.
How come he often argues a lot of characters are spammy to justify Nina being spammy, like, the inclusion of more spammy characters than Nina doesn't make Nina any less spammy.
MechaMan_ because he has the brain development of a peanut.
If I was mainman, I would laugh and ignore it
Shoka XX yeah haha I feel as though he gave him a little too much respect
If he just ignored everyone tho we wouldn't have great content of salty players we could make fun of.
There's a clear disparity in experience between these two and the way mainman handles the obvious disrespect clearly shows the difference in age and intentions.
I feel like a lot of people who plateau in fighting games love to make themselves a hero lmao... I'm only (whatever rank) because I main Lee, Nina, Bryan, Whoever and they're just soooo hardddd and not because my opponents are better than me and not because I can improve in like every area of the game.. My character is just soooooooo ddiiffiiccuulltt and I am a super honorable masochist for sticking with them. And just for fairness, obviously not everyone who plays those characters is like that so I'm not trying to bag on anyone in particular but damn do I feel like I hear it a lot.
The fact is, the only way to improve and understand the weaknes and the strong side of your character is to stick with it, and you'll plateau nonetheless with every character if it's your first ranking grind to higher positions. You lack fundamentals and knowledge of any kind, wich you'll acquire in the time you reach a plateau.
So yes, everyone feels good when they surpass that limit, because that really means you improved.
Just for the record, back 14 still works in tekken 7 i think. Beginner eddy here but back14 id thr move where he hits a mif punch anf does a high overhead kick that you can string with slippery kicks right?
Every character is the same
Lee is now part of the Church of the ORA confirmed
you give a voice to my inner thoughts it is unreal
"every character is the same"
boy oh boy now lee is as easy as ORA
LMAO Lee gives me nightmares, I have to put in the extra work to get that good damage with him but he has the swag. Using Feng or Armor King I don't have to work as hard lol, all three of them are some of my favourite characters in the series.
Can relate
Played s1 lee for a while then quit cause playing mishima or jin is much easier
Not Famous thank you im a lee main and im going through hell but i got excellent
It would be cool to see TMM with his spammy Nina against a Nina player with Kazuya and have them in vocals during the match.
It could be cool to settle this shit this way. With sportmanship and testosterone.
Fck all this talking lets get it
I agree,Tekken scene needs more grudge match.
challenge him! 😂 solve this with a fight instead
luis ramirez Thats not a challenge, thats a public execution
luis ramirez “power is everything”
Someone needs to contact the Nina main so he can fight TMM
George Torres im a fan of public executions 😎
I highkey wanna see that
"..super telegraphed string that no one uses after like, red ranks"
"....red ranks"
Hmm. Its almost like he's admitting his position is weak.
Kazuya x mainman fanart when?
Have you seen the first 30 sec?
We got some tight MainMan x MainMan action, right here.
@@dltking25 but I want to see mainman x Kazuya action
@@drunkenlucksmin Soon, my child. Soon.
(I'd do it, but
1. I can't/won't draw pron
2. It would be way too hot for human comprehension.)
@@dltking25 Don't do pr0n then just draw mainman watching kazuya like a fangirl and having kazuya blush or something on that level of cancer
Back in 2018 when I was initially introduced to Tekken I immediately felt comfortable with Nina's strings because I was looking for a character that had many long reaching lows. From my perspective as a new player & looking back now retrospectively Nina was very much braindead, ranking into Genbu for my first character and first time ever playing Tekken. Subsequently I took a break from the game to focus more on R6 Siege and delegated my fighting game urges to MK11 because I wanted to learn the basic fundamentals of fighting games (spacing & frame data) from a much easier game that didn't require an entry level competitive player to learn 100 moves per character. It was very overwhelming but now I feel like since much time has passed, I'm growing out of strictly playing MK11 and welcoming the Mountain climb of learning what Tekken & Streetfighter have to offer. Since Streetfighter is notorious for completely wiping the slate with each new iteration of the game, I can get away with waiting for SF6 to come out to start learning. For the mean time, I'm learning how to play Lidia in Tekken 7 and eagerly awaiting Tekken 8
What are fundamentals and how do I practice them?
That my friend is something you'll have to learn by yourself by suffering through hell
Movement, doing/breaking throws, being able to understand frame data, punishments, wall game, wake ups, etc etc. Enjoy.
I respect little things more than debunking arguments by presenting valid evidence on the contrary. TMM, you consistently do this very well. It’s part of why I’ve been a follower since you started this channel.
Guy makes use of memes to cover up his missed out points
I’ve given TMM credit in his last Nina vid. I play her & sometimes I’ll do some spammy stuff if I’m trying to come back in a round. So, while up against a Nina, the cheese started to come out. EVEN though i do the same pressure spam with Nina, I couldn’t sidestep d434 & I couldn’t low parry the 2nd hit on can opener. The sad part was i knew the BS was coming & still couldn’t get it on the 1st try. This resonated with me & i had to admit it: countering that shit is harder than doing it.
This is a great video because it highlights the difference between someone who is laterally minded (mainman)
- someone who takes a broad open perspective.
And someone who is linearly minded (B.minus)
- someone who is contained and has a focused perspective.
I'm not saying that one way is right and one way is wrong, though it is true that if take a low resolution perspective that we all are capable of and you focus in it gets less clear but if you step back you see the whole picture. So who can say more?
Sounds like somebody mad because nina carried them lol
Wow that guy just said every fighting game is the same wow I guess I should play scorpion on mk11 like I play devil Jin and play akuma on sf5 like heihachi that's dumb 😒
Honestly this guy got destroyed.. He's arrogant and overconfident his video is all about form , montage, jokes but very poor in content.
Professionally responded to... Well done 👍🏾
I just love how these Tekken Lords try and disguise their arguments as complex and analytical, but ultimately, every time it just boils down to - "SToP cOmPlainIng nD Get GuD ScRUb!" there are a few posh words to make it sound like they're saying otherwise, but that's it - and THAT my friend, is what's harmful to the community.
You're objectively correct Adrian. It's also NOT how every fighting game works - the degrees are very different if you compare say a Tekken and a SF at beginner to intermediate, even advanced levels.
So, if i'm a beginner, I have trouble against Nina and i find 2 videos talking about the strings that give me trouble against her:
The first video tells me that I can low parry and sidestep the strings.
The second video tells me that Nina is a "In your face char", her strings are cheap and unreactable.
Now I'll ask, which of the videos will harm me more?
This dude is completely missing the point. TMM has always said she's very counterable to expert players. He never said she's a character that can win tournaments or beat high level character. The reason TMM hates the term "scrub-killer" is because it completely disregards the low/mid level of the game. Completely trash video, he's completely missed that TMM is talking to low/mid players who are getting rekt by Nina.
Well when one says scrub killer, they're referring to characters that low level players have difficulty dealing with. If Mainmans point is that low level players will have a hard time dealing with her, she's a scrub killer.
I feel like his argument involves a lot more personal attacks than actual points being made. And when he does try to make a point, a lot of the time it boils down to an oversimplification of what fighting games are about. This often just basically tells you to “just deal with it”, without taking into consideration how fighting games evolve in the first place.
I would be careful with attempting to discourage criticisms of characters/moves, because that’s how they become more refined. These questions should always be asked and discussed, not shut down because you’re just supposed to find a solution and deal with it. Do they also think buffs and nerfs are unnecessary, since it’s okay as long as there’s a solution? Or does this logic only apply when it’s most convenient? Very confusing to me.
This obviously doesn’t mean Nina should be nerfed, but this video was originally made to counter someone who made a video about dealing with Nina, and this guy responded with more general concepts that are pretty problematic when you try to apply them across the board.
Overall not the right way to go about challenging ideas imo. This seemed like more of a quick emotional response, rather than one that really broke down concepts and rationalized their own thoughts. Missed the point here and there and threw out quick jabs that don’t really hold up under scrutiny.
- Also I forgot to mention the sort of gatekeeping/somewhat elitist mentality of “don’t like it? Don’t play”. These sort of responses are just more “quick jabs”, they don’t actually challenge an argument and are just made to shut you down. He also sometimes takes statements and stretches them out with his own assumptions, drawing conclusions about how someone feels even though they never made that point. Also mentions early on that wavedashing is hard, and then uses wavedash as an example to say it’s hypocritical to suggest Nina can be hard to defend for how easy some moves/strings are to do. Kind of all over the place.
Can you tell your opinion about Feng Wei and make a rank match vid? He's my main and I have a hard time in ranked
TMM is right when it comes to Josie. She doesn't have a lot of fast, plus on block moves that puts opponents in a blender like Steve, Hwoarang, or Nina that makes them ask "when is it my turn to attack?!". FF3, FFF3, CD1+2, are all slow and the only moves that are plus on block outside of jabs.
She can't vortex and the worst you'll eat while blocking is a CD3. She has no snake edge that launches or any lows that knockdown on normal hit for that matter to initiate a oki vortex, which makes her more manageable for beginners/intermediates do deal with compared to characters with scarier 50/50, which are the majority of the cast.
If you press buttons at negative, your her food. If your patient, it's not so bad. I fought people as nina and they didn't know which way was up and I gotta way with murder the whole time.
You're right
This is awesome...you go through the video correcting without being insulting and admitting when he has a valid point. Definitely my top streamer now my man. Tekken Dads FTW!
It's not just the character that helps the player through the ranks in online ranking matches. but it's also the the way the ranking system in season 2 functions in rrwarding the player free ranks (For example If you were to win a promotion match going from orange rank to red rank, the game will reward the player taking every untouched character in the roster into orange rank).
Some I've heard say that they appreciate the addition of the rank progression indicator and how many points you'll get with this ring versus another player with a different rank. But they feel as if they're boosting when the game gives free promotion to the characters they haven't touched (though planned on playing or trying out).
@11:00 (around that time) you messed up you annotation. 1) D3,4,3 the whole string. 2) d3,2 the mid launcher (Correct me if I'm wrong but I hear(d) you say "down forward 3" which is a different annotation with different properties all together. I'm not sure if you were going with affect of it the string (d3,4 vs df3,4) looking similar or they're part of the same tree line but I see and understand were both sides are come from with their arguments.
*"I think you & I are in different worlds here"*
You're Tekken God Prime & he's an orange rank. Need I say more?
I love how he calls your subs scrubs but yet who is the orange rank?
A person’s rank shouldn’t undermine or emphasize their opinion. Sometimes pros have good arguments to make, sometimes someone who never touched the game has one as well. Considering certain opinions “better” than others over rank is pretty elitist
@@alessandroalbarello7223 More often than not a higher rank has more knowledge & spent years even decades on the series in general. What are the odds that a lower rank knows better? I'm not saying that can't happen.
Which one knows more? Johns Hopkins or a school nurse? Look at their degrees as ranks. It's the same thing. Clearly Johns Hopkins knows more than the school nurse.
Opinions mean nothing at the end of the day. Facts wins.
@@MrSamuelAdam4 Opinions and facts both make the world go around and are equally important in an absolute sense. Just like you put it, both high ranks and non-players will have valuable opinions, and although high ranks will have useful opinions more often, perspective is something that simply takes into consideration a million more factors than just experience. I don't disagree with you and I don't agree with the argument against TMM but your comment was essentially calling a scrub someone who also calls others scrubs.
Maybe I took it too seriously but you get my point, lol
@@alessandroalbarello7223 @MrSamuelAdam4 or we could just say that its a well known *FACT* that TMM has been playing this game almost his whole life. A gargantuan experience > rank.
Why do people get triggered if the character they play is called easy ?
I’ve played for years and that pressure nina has as well as hwoarang is something else. Anyone who has encountered this in the game knows what i’m talking about. Standing there and just watching a never ending hurricane constantly in plus is ridiculous. Those cancels are crazy i’ve never seen it with other characters
Here is the thing. For certain characters, you can really learn the matchup just by playing against that character because those things they are doing are mostly clear like Mishimas, Bryan, Paul, Gigas etc. And you can understand what is going on. But some characters just like to throw the pile of shit in your face and its up to you to see trough that shit, trough that mess and it is so fast that you cannot learn it in the actual match. You do not understand, you cannot see what your opponent is even doing. When you lab it, its different story, you start to understand and see. And that is the difference between those 2 categories.
The video is reaching levels of _"An skilled Gigas can beat any high level player"_
Which is correct, but actually *_no_*
main man = strong argument while thinking in the place of the lower level player and understands the game and different combos and how real ppl react to moves and improve.
other guy= every character is this easy and get gud why arent u at tournaments scrub
btw u didnt link him
I started playing kazuya like last month and he went down so many ranks because hes all about movement and wifing but then i just started using katalina today and all i had to do was press the kick button and i went up at least 10 ranks
I see your point on the telegraphed string mainman. I think a good example would be if you spam d/b4 with jin for example over and over and over. The move actually does become much easier to see coming.. while you say if used sparingly the moves are much harder to Telegraph and in turn are stronger tools than they would be if spammed. He just doesn’t understand that aspect of fighting games.
TMM should play him with Nina or Katarina and put it on CZcams.
I love how smart and professional TMM seems
Any CZcamsr that can get me to watch a 37-minute video all the way through definitely deserves a like and favorite.
What's the end-goal of this back and forth? I hope there's no end soon.
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