Blue water sailboat VS Production sailboat. What sailboat will you choose for your sailing needs?
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- Bluewater sailboat vs Production sailboat. In this video, we will discuss some of the most common differences between a traditional blue water sailboat and a production boat. What sailboat will best fit your needs and what sailboat style will you choose? let us know in the comments
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I prefer the engineering of production boats and the material choice of the older ones. Engine and electrical access are usually where blue water boats fall short IMHO. Full keels are miserable to sail in anything other than high wind situations. You almost hope for a hurricane to speed up the trip. Good video.
I am so thankful for all of your videos. great learning..
Thanks for the educational video. Learned something new today :)
Wise words. All the extra gear for bluewater sailing needs maintaining too. So much work.
Test or ponder this theory: Plane or boat. The lightest get bounced the most, but they also get bounced the softest. The heaviest powerboats were made from 1900ish to 1950ish. Submersibles. A storm ride in a submarine was like rolling in a commercial clothes drier. Modern sailboats are often bouyant when swamped. Less ballast means more structural. What good is comfort when you're next to the Titanic?
Awesome video. No bullshit, just pro level tips and advice. Thanks
Great information for those of us who just learning.
Thanks Jack, appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment
Agreed
The line drawing of a full keel boat that you showed at the very start of the video is an Alberg 29. That's what I have.. Hull #1
Excellent unbiased presentation. So many of us are so prejudiced by our own values, we forget their are other options.
Thank you.
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My Moody 346 has twin bolt on keels and is my top pick for safety and comfort.
Thank you for the great information.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, really means alot
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Superb Vlog !! Sir !!
I think you're right about buying and sailing the boat that fits your style of sailing. So many variables. Seems to me that skill in handling tough situations and thorough passage planning is a must.
yes, People get to caught up in these silly terms like (Bluewater boat ) or ( Production Boat) its simply about choosing the right boat that fits your needs. People cross oceans on 24 foot moody's and people have rowed across the Atlantic. Its going to come down to your skill as a sailor that will determine the boat you should possibly buy and what your realistic goals are. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment
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Well done and great info!! I have a 1982 Island Trader 38 Ketch with a Long Keel.. She is stout and a real beauty!!
You should come join my sailing community online, I am sure people would love to hear about your sailing adventures :)
@@ChasingLatitudes Sure that would be awesome but to be honest I am still very much a beginner with limited experience..
@@ketchingmy2ndwindsvchopsticks no one is born a sailor :)
@@ChasingLatitudes Right On!!
😎⛵..My boat is named
.. Chop Sticks 🥢
Also, thank you for the info
Great vid! Full keel boats is much slower in a crossing and therefore require more tankage and food..
Completely agree
I am more of a the quicker the better , less time you are at sea the better
To me it seems, it depends a bit on the segment. In the aluminium and high-latitude segment Bestevaer, Garcia, Boreal, van de Stadt and the likes built a lot of center board and swing keel yachts. In the segment "below" Allures and Ovni, too. In the segment below, Sirius' most sold option is strong, integrated twin keels. Clearly, in the North Sea and the Channel the ability to dry fall is valued and a shallow draft is a plus. In the realm a normal person can afford, moderate long keels I think are still very popular. The new production of the Contessa 32 is going strong. My personal dream boat among the affordables. Inspite it's reputation as "Sailing U-Boat."
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I have a gulfstar 44.8 it has a cutaway keel. I love having that kind of boat. I was caught in huacane Irma with her the coast garden force me off in the gulf of Mexico and she made it to shore by her self. She is very strong and it was a very nasty storm. But she did it on her own. We got her back and the refit will start soon
Cutaway keels are nice, I was in Irma when it made land fall in the keys, that was one heck of a storm. Where are you located now
@@ChasingLatitudes i am in Pinellas County fl. For the refit
@@SVSecondChance oh, cold front heading that way, time to grab a hoodie
A heavy boat is not more comfortable. It rolls and it's slow. The most comfortable and easy to control boat I have sailed so far in strong winds is a Pogo 12.50. Steady as a rock and light on the tiller. Very responsive and fast.
Pogo 12.5 lol, they are made out of feathers and paper thin carbon fiber, perfect for the afternoon sail at your local yacht club.
@@sentenced2sail It's a class40 built by hand using kevlar and vinylester at pogo structures for singlehand around the globe races. The surveyor we used said the rudder system is the strongest he had ever seen on a. You clearly have no idea.
@@briansrensen8204 I know, they keep falling apart by the time they arrive to Tahiti! Bon navigacion!
Loving the channel. Very useful. Thanks
Looking around the web at boats, I think I'd like the top of something like a Bavaria 46 stuck onto an Island Packet hull. I like the clean design of Euro production boats, and the apparently solid sailing characteristics of the big displacement boats. Don't understand why the topsides of 'bluewater' boats need to look like Morris Minors, and the interiors have to look like a 1970's caravan. It's like they aim for a dusty old gentlemen's club look, and unfortunately succeed.
Haha, I love that analogy " Dusty old gentleman's club " . I find it nauseating the silly " you cant cross on a ( insert French production boat name here) " Meanwhile I have done it and can choose one of a hundred other CZcams sailing channels that are doing it as we speak. Have you found a boat that meets your needs yet? I like the look of the Bavaria as well
No, I need to go and sit in a few before working that out. Your stuff is definitely helping my thought process by helping to open up my mind after it gets shut down by the 'bracket' crew that Paul Hembold talks about below.
@@scottysscandinavia5793 sounds like a good plan . Go check some out , decide what type of sailing you will be doing for the first couple of years and then pick one that fits your need the best. The most vocal antagonist online are usually the ones with the least experience or just someone stuck in the old school thinking of super slow heavy full keel just to leave the marina
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Thanks for the information...
One point that is not addressed is how boats wear over time. From what I've seen of newer production boats (admittedly repaired ones) the build quality is not the same and whilst new they're fine, once older the cost/benefits seem to favour the older style, which were built more solidly (albeit slower).
As someone else pointed out, cost is the most important factor for the boat, but purchase verses renovation/maintenance shouldn't be forgotten.
We're in the market for a 33-36' boat and a Halleberg Rassy Rasmus would be great for us (my wife is new to sailing and I'm back from a long break - bringing up kids is more expensive than sailing)
Have a Great New Year 🎈...
Merry Christmas, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Something worth looking at would be the two episodes I recently did on expedition Evans , they purchased a salvaged beneteau that had the entire mold ripped from the hull. The interesting thing is that it was caused by a hard grounding and continued to sail for four years before anyone even realized it was damaged. The damage was found during a routine pump swap. Fascinating stuff
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I've been following them and that's not quite what I thought happened. The grounding resulted in it being auctioned as a wreck, but there had been a previous grounding/s that had been poorly repaired and had continued sailing. The Evan's repair efforts showed how poor the construction of modern production boats are, especially for the price. There are several other channels who repaired salvaged boats/catamarans and it's not a pretty picture. If someone is happy with their boat, great, but I do think that modern technologies are a double edged sword, as the main purpose is to build to expectations, ie finish, tech etc, and not to worry about longer term. This is obvious from the reaction of Beneteau to owners who are repairing badly damaged boats.
I'd rather have the older boat, Halleberg/Amel and spend the difference on upgrades to personalize it. Also the older boats have a track record, newer style boats do NOT.
Advances in car technology have improved crash protection etc for new vehicles, but we have no way of knowing how safe these vehicles are when 10+ years old, as no one tests them...
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Saludos de Argentina muy bueno tus vídeos
Thank you
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Good video, agree on pretty much all the presented data. We have a full keel (shoal keel) Morgan 41 out island. We plan on coastal sailing and island hopping. When I retire we may get a more capable boat as tankage on the Morgan 41 even with larger aftermarket tanks is really not sufficient for a pacific crossing. Maybe an atlantic crossing in ideal conditions. I do feel very safe on her though. 9K lbs lead encapsulated in keel and an almost 14' beam add to the handling characteristics. In my opinion, for our desired use it's a great compromise. We looked at a few production type boats and chose the 49 year old project "production charter" boat from 1972. :D
Yeah buddy
In hiking and (traditional) alpine-style climbing, there are the "10 essentials" that must be carried for safety. One of those "essentials" is a portable shelter of some kind. In the 1970s and early 80s, a new style of lightweight alpine climbing evolved that put the emphasis on speed for safety. This was based on the same principle mentioned in the video - longer exposure time over a route means a greater chance of getting caught by nasty conditions. "Early adpoters" of this style of climbing time used to say "If you carry a tent, you will need it." Weight weenies weighed their gear in grams, and were known to do such things as cut most of a toothbrush's handle off for the weight savings. Today, fast, lightweight alpine-style climbing is considered normal. Back then, it was considered by traditionalists as "dangerous" and "risky."
Having adopted that style of climbing myself, I am an advocate of "speed is safety." You can make a fast boat go slower, but you can't make a slow boat go faster. Options are always better to have than not.
I could not agree more, were you an early adopter of the newer hiking method ?
I will most likely use this comparison in a future video as I think it’s perfect
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All that said, which boats (30ft-40ft) would give you SA/Disp > 15; Comfort >25; Capsize < 1.9 ?
I have a soft spot for mass produced sailboats. We need a couple million more.
No mention of lifting keels - my preference by far for 35 years when in heavy following seas or looking for shelter. Agree that Seamanship trumps design - as Clint (Coogan) said “a man has got to know his limitations 😏😉”, you need to be at one with and know your yacht ✌️.
Seamanship every time . I am going to do a follow up of discussing other keel types. Is the lifting keel still your preference ? If so let me know why and I’ll mention it in the video when I cover lifting keels
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Yes nice video, my preference would be an aluminium lifting keel yacht - can take the ground, shallow draft when up, and keel up in breaking seas reduces chance of being toppled - not that I have put the latter to the test. These boats are pricy but hold their value better than most production boats.
Honestly I am not sure yet what I like/want as I have sailed before but I didn't give it my full attention now I am doing my research on sail boats as in 2 or 3 years I plan on moving and purchasing a sail boat and living aboard full time and maybe sailing the seven seas
Csy is also a great sailing yacht
.02$ A sporty fin / spade with a good ballast ratio and low drag will point up better than most. A boat that points has more options. She can make a port or avoid a lee shore that others can not.
Mmm
How many T-shirts you can transport in bluewater vs production?
Island Packet today.
Muito instrutivo, parabéns pelo canal visto aqui do Brasil. A propósito, para aqueles que pretendem dar uma volta ao mundo algum dia, qual o melhor bluewater dentre todos na sua opinião?
Why not just go with a fin with skeg rudder then? Seems like a good compromise between having a protected rudder and having some speed and maneuverability.
I just want to add for consideration. Full keel boats typically have less weather helm along with tracking on a tighter course and a smoother ride through rough seas. A more relaxed type of cruising.
They definitely handle better in heavy weather. Do you have a personal preference?
@@ChasingLatitudes Cabo Rico, Hans Christian, Tayana, Valiant, Alajuela, Pacific Seacraft would be my personal choices.
@@icarumba5 all very nice boats. Do you have one now ?
@@ChasingLatitudes No unfortunately, but that should be remedied by next year. I sail on my fathers Fuji 32 whenever he wants to sail.
@@icarumba5 at least you have access to a boat and sailing with your dad is just great memories. Cherish that time with your dad and sailing it’s priceless. Any idea on what type of boat you might get when you do get one ?
why you would avoid bad wether ..i love north seas . thats what sailing is all about ..facing unexpected and survive by skill and knolege .my dream is to sail around cape horn in the winter
There are lots of reasons to avoid bad weather, one being death 💀
@@ChasingLatitudes Yes but so many people are afraid of death to the point where they're not living. Isn't the reason for sail to getaway from land and the constant go go go. To slow down and go on adventure.
@@keyogen yes sir
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Hi love your chanel. What are your thoughts on twins keel sailboat and also retractable reel sailboat .
Do you mean twin rudder ?
@@ChasingLatitudes Sirius offers several keel options including a twin keel and swing keel in addition to fin keel.
@@mountaindweller9118 oh twin keel / bildge keels , was confused there for a second 🤣
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great comparison video
Thank you, nice job on the refit, glad to see that your back in the water😁 any day on water is better than being stuck in the hard painting the bottom
@@ChasingLatitudes Thank you! Back in the water, yes... but the projects continue inside!
@@sailingavocet well it’s coming along great from the looks of it. Any upcoming sail plans or waiting for the travel things to get settled ? I’ve been stuck in Puerto Rico since July waiting on travel restrictions
@@ChasingLatitudes We were originally planning to sail to Hawaii then Alaska, but the new quarantine periods don't fit with our timeline so we have decided to sail north along the west coast as far as we can/want then head south to warmer waters :) Sorry to hear you are stuck over there!
It could be worse, I’m in the Caribbean so not terrible. West coast trip should be fun , I’ll keep in touch for if you two ever make it this side we can all grab a beer
Nice video. What kind of boat brand and budget within 10 thousand euros would you recommend to buy for a novice who wants to live in the boat in the Netherlands and cross the Atlantic to Brazil? I'm studying a lot and watching videos and in a few months I have to find a new pace to live so I am thinking of buying a small reliable boat to live wile I learn how to sail and gain some experience.
For ten Thousand euros that will be a challenge. You can for sure find something that will allow you to live aboard and get some experience within that budget but crossing to Brazil and finding a bit for that budget to do that will be highly unlikely
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There are production blue water yachts ... production vs semi custom vs custom would make sense....
3:35 I am not a sailor nor a boat owner, but THAT has to be something that could easaly be avoided. 😀
Interesting video, though.
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Everything is a compromise. Take my hughes 40 for example. It has a modified fin keel, which is nice but the ballast is bolted on...which is bad...but the ballast is lead not iron...which is good...etc. I agree with your video. In the end, avoid storms and keep the water out of your boat and you'll be ok.
How are you liking the Hughes 40?
@@ChasingLatitudes I'll let you know when I finally get to sail it..lol. I've been rebuilding it from a complete wreck over the last 3 years. ( I have 3 crappy edited videos on my channel) in the spring I'll install the electric motor and plan on sailing next summer. But the boat itself was built like a tank, 40 feet long 28,000lbs dry.
@@PyeGuySailing oh nice I will absolutely watch the vids and see how it’s looking
@@PyeGuySailing I like that keel rudder combo
Full keel for me..... WestSail 32 .. catamarans don’t self right themselves!
You can’t go wrong with a classic like that. Do you currently have a westsail 32 ?
@@ChasingLatitudes Yes I have a WestSail 32 Velatus is her name..
@@shadygrovesailing1157 that’s awesome those are tough, rugged boats. Are you in the states or ?
@@ChasingLatitudes Yes in Anacortes Washington.. currently Dry storage replacing sea cocks and through holes.
@@shadygrovesailing1157 Washington state ?
thoughts on horstman trimarans as a bluewater boat? those things look like tanks.
I unfortunately have zero experience with trimarans
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What do you think about the Sirus 35DS swing keel?
Did you pick one up ?
@@ChasingLatitudes No. None on the market that I know of. I was wondering about its blue water performance. No owner has put out a personal review on its performance at sea.
@@lightning9279 I’ll check around and see if I can get some feedback on that particular boat. I personally don’t have any first hand experience with that boat so I couldn’t intelligently advise. What type of sailing are you looking to do?
@@lightning9279 as far as swing keel some people absolutely love them, as with any keel there are advantages to them and disadvantages
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Foil cruisers when?
Sorry I still would like a westsail 32 if I could ever afford it
And thats really all that matters, get what you like and what will work for you.
Something you might to add to this discussion is hitting large floating objects or whales. I have heard too many first hand accounts of whale strikes on ocean passages and even a boat that was rammed by a whale at anchor.
Ideally not hitting things is the goal. While it does happen attacking whales is not something to considering when purchasing a boat. A fin keel is absolutely more susceptible to damage when hitting something but again that should not be the reason for purchasing a slow full keel heavy boat
@@ChasingLatitudes "Ideally not hitting things is the goal" is not really your choice unless you are Neptune or Poseidon. Ask the three boats currently racing in the Vendee Globe that hit unidentified floating objects, sinking one of the boats so far, or Mitsuhiro Iwamoto who hit a floating object and sank his boat on his Pacific crossing, or Julie Bradley (author of Escape the Ordinary) that had a cargo ship lose it's load leaving floating steel boxes around them in a force 10 storm. The examples can go on forever. Bolt on keels have huge failure points that can be seen on any boat salvage website. The don't survive the storm, out race the storm advice is nonsense. There isn't a single seasoned sailor that hasn't been caught in a storm by surprise, even with the most current forecast and latest technology. I wasn't going to comment further, but your suggestion that speed trumps design is reckless advice to any new sailor looking to go offshore.
@@sailingstonerose I have crossed on mine several times and rode out hurricane Irma when it landed as a category four hurricane so telling me it can’t ride out storms or cross is simply not true. The less time a crossing takes the safer you are, that’s not an opinion that’s a fact. I never said speed trumps design so don’t put words in my mouth, I said the less time a crossing takes the safer you are. Telling me I can’t outrun large storms is another assumption on your part as I can and have several times here in the Caribbean. Every sailor will get storms, every sailor will get caught in squalls but getting caught in huge 60 hour blows caused by large depressions is not something that should happen with the technology today. The captain is what makes the boat but this nonsense thinking of heavy full keel boats for crossings is simply ignorant dinosaur thinking. The same has happened in other hobbies and sports, same thing happened with alpine climbing in the 80s and 90s , before everyone was slow and packed way to much, finally they realized the faster the safer so now ultra light is the way to go. The same will happen with boats and already has however people are just stuck on nonsense
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How about the bilge or twin keel?!
Same as other keels, they have advantages and disadvantages. The nice thing with them is that you can “dry” out some where if needed, there are quite a few more advantages to them than disadvantages in my opinion. I’ll be doing another keel video and I will include them. What are you thoughts on them ?
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Thanks,,,
For me bilge or twin keel now a day is much better than before, like sirius boat,,
But still, i will wait for your next video about the keels,,
😉😉😉😉
@@andiecastro2877 thank you for watching and hopefully subscribing . I have been posting every couple days but might step that up to cover these topics , keels, blue water, production and so on
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Anybody knows what type of boat that is? 0:56
Unfortunately where I got the picture doesn't list what boat it actually is
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The problem I have with that thinking, sometimes storms appear that no system can predict, no matter how good they are. I've been caught in one storm, that never appeared on computers. To be in a lighter boat, and the ocean does what it does sometimes verse a full keel boat.
Hello, I would like to know if anyone can help me with their experience?
I am looking at pilothouse sailboats, for comfort and protection mostly, and to sail long distances for quite a long time.
The latest Nauticats, 351-37-385, years 2002 onwards, experts say they were designed for more efficient sailing. Does anyone know if this is really the case? There is little information on this comparison in the blogs. 2 to 3 knots difference can be very important.
They say there are noticeable differences in performance between the old ones and these ones.
If anyone knows, I will be very grateful if you can help me with this information.
Greetings and thanks for this video. Very interesting and educational. ✌️💥⛵️
No matter what keel you get you will experience very uncomfortable tiresome conditions, and for many, lots of sea sickness, once you sail beyond the protected bay. Blue water sailing is not for the faint hearted or the uncommitted.
I plan on retiring in 2022 and would like to sail around South East Asia( Malaysia,Thailand,Vietnam etc) and would like to buy a 30ft - 35ft sailboat but not sure of which keel type or hull material.Any possoble ideas would help.Thanks Adam
What type of sailing are you hoping to do ?
@@ChasingLatitudes Mostly coastal with occasional 200 -400 nm to some of the near by islands
@@peanuthead1397 for mostly coastal cruising like that you could look into something like a beneteau oceanis 35. Any yacht clubs close to where you are now ? That’s a great way to get in different styles and types of boats and see what you like. If you were planning to circumnavigate I would recommend a different boat but for coastal something comfortable and beamy would be my preference
@@ChasingLatitudes We have the Buffalo Yacht Club here western New York.Thanks for the help and I just subscribed to your channel. Good job on the videos and I will be watching some more or your videos.
@@peanuthead1397 thank you so much for watching and subscribing , if you have any questions at all just ask, I always like chatting and discussing sailboats
I prefer production sailboats, modern production boats are built just as well sa "blue water". Blue water sailboats are in my opinion endless money pits, they are on average 5 times more expensive than a similar production boat and they lose their resell value about 10 times quicker. And honestly I don't see a single reason why my 2017 Bavaria C46 can't cross an ocean.
Your Bavaria is more than capable as my beneteau 40 has crossed just fine. The less time on a crossing the less chance of issues. With all the weather tracking advancements, a good captain and crew as well as a faster nimble boat there should be no issues. If you look at the boats registered in the (ARC) this year most are from the top three, beneteau, Bavaria and jenneau. This dinosaur thinking of slow, full keel is just absurd
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0:33 save your time and ears 😂
Why not to buy a blue water boat
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It's not the boat. It's the men in them.
That’s exactly what the video says 😁
Or the women on them
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full shallow drAFT KEELS
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Newer designs are more efficient.
That’s something I also feel people don’t take into account, there have been lots of improvements in the last two decades. Do you have a keel preference?
@@ChasingLatitudes Great vid btw. I’ve sailed on a Beneteau, Jeanneau and a Moody, I find them easy to sail and comfortable and they all have the newer L shape keels I believe. I can’t really comment on other boats with different keel other than what I’ve sailed but I am sure they would be equally good.
@@laurieespi4828 I prefer modern, lightweight , faster cruisers. The less time a crossing takes the less chance of issues. I’m on a beneteau 40 currently, it’s perfect for me and crossings. If I was going to circumnavigate I might change but the island hopping and occasional crossing I wouldn’t change it
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I think it is funny how we scramble for brackets as humans. So many sliding yardsticks... Oceanis...not a blue water boat. Oceanis, not a racing boat... First is only a racer. Then somebody circumnavigates on one...🙈
Full keel...Stepped mast only! Then a bunch of kids race some boats across the Atlantic, 6.50 meters long some with deck stepped masts, all with fin and bulb. Skeg mounted rudders only. The cry continues.
Everything is a compromise. I would never be stuck in a slug. It's not for me. I want a boat that has a turn of foot. Surfing with wind on the beam would be a highlight in my life.. Some don't want that. Fair enough.
Bracketing. It can be tough.
This will by far be the best comment , thank you so much for posting this type of thought process
Amen to that!
Amazed at the amount of non-sense I read or see from people making biased comments about light performance boats which they have perhaps never sailed extensively or intensively.
Allow me to add the Imoca 60s and Class 40s to the mini 650 class that you mentioned.
The Imoca 60s are currently racing around the world, singlehanded, non-stop and no-assistance. 70 days non-stop full speed dash around the globe (17 knots average speed).
And some folks, will still swear that only long keelers are suitable for blue water sailing.
Some folks are really allergic to progress.
@@feshfeshsailing they drive me absolutely bonkers. More boats cross with fin keels than any other . The around the world race currently taking place not a single full keel to be seen. Crusty old sailors than prefer to hold up sailing progress, people did the same thing to Elon musk and now look at electric cars
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No such thing as a blue water sailboat, Webb chiles just completed his 5th circumnavigation in a Moore 24 without even stand up headroom, with a skilled sailor any sailboat can go far off shore, with a novice no boat should be off shore. He also did a circumnavigation in an Erickson 36 a production sailboat, so your whole theory is just absurd.
Did ya watch the video ? I say the exact same thing 😂
Not absurd, grumpy. An exceptional skipper with a strong stomach can cross an ocean in a bathtub. This video is made for the average skilled sailor.
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