P0016 P0017 Chevy 2.4 How to fix "Camshaft Position Correlation code"
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- čas přidán 2. 03. 2018
- In this video, I will give you a brief overview on how to diagnose a P0016 and P0017 Cam position Correlation codes.
This Chevy Malibu ended up needed the Timing Chain, guides and tensioner replaced.
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Everything I needed for this repair.
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variable valve timing solenoid: amzn.to/2JlTn6D
Valve Cover gasket: amzn.to/2Je7yyt
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What about the bolt for the cams and crank those are supposed to be replaced as well
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s there a way to adjust the timing without marks? I took the chain out and my stupidity allowed me to turn the the sprocket s individually, which turned the cams. Now I have no idea where I am at. Call me an idiot because I am. 2015 Chev malibu 2.5
Thanks for the video. I tried replacing both camshaft sensors, the crankshaft sensor, the camshaft actuators, and the oil, before I finally accepted that my cars just out of time
Going through the exact same process myself with a 2012 Chevy Equinox. What did you end up doing to fix your timing issue?
Awesome video. Very descriptive. Thank you!
I have the same codes on ma 2009 dodge caliber! I figured id had the same problem, now i can fix it with confidence! Thank You!
This explains a lot!!
Great video and information, thank you.
Thank you for the video. A lot of the newer cars are very finicky on the type of oil they are given. A P0016 was fixed by the cheapest bullet of the parts cannon.; oil change with the rights specs. Dirty or wrong oil will play tricks with the solenoid. Great video. Thank you.
Thanks
I had timing chain replaced. Few months later, P0016. Great video, this likely issue. Mechanic put regular oil not full synthetic & didn't tell me.2010 malibu. Probably didn't put nylon guide on chain guide either. Needless to say, I am not happy!
@@aprilc1077 i have replaced the timing chain very carefully and changed phasers, actuators, oil and oil filter. I have also cleaned the oil pan which was completely blocked with the plastics of the old guide. Now, it sounds and works as good as never before and after two uses I have p0014 and p0016 again. It is a headache in reality. Let me know if you could solve it please. Regards
That sucks about your masking tape. I can empathize. Good video/advice. Thanks.
I just put a used engine in a customer's car today and I now have both codes. Now I have to prove to the salvage yard that the engine is bad. They have already questioned my ability to install correctly. Now I must drive the car over Monday and show them the problem on the scanner. And I've promised it for delivery to the customer Monday. Thanks for posting and I'm going to be showing this to the yard come Monday. Thanks again.
Rocker Pat I would pull the valve cover and if the guide is missing then send him pics.
+The Flat Rate Mechanic That's what I have planned for tomorrow morning. If screwed up I will have to replace the chain's. The old engine has good components and I'll just have to switch them over. Will probably have to wait days with the yard. Have to get it out the door Monday. Have other cars to fix next week. I'll shoot some video and post it about the ordeal.
Rocker Pat Ya the would be cool I would like to hear how it turns out. LMK
+The Flat Rate Mechanic Got that engine fixed over the weekend. Timing chain and tensioner fixed it. All good now. I made some videos but I made them too long and can't load them up at moment. Thanks for your video on the subject. Keep Rocking it out Dude!!!
Nice. Glad to here it
Great information thanks
Wonderful
Great video I got one for ya!! Fiat ducato 3.0 motorhome comformatic supposed to be bullet proof it’s a chain 50k miles code p0016 or p0340 everything got done sensors oil change continuity tests now even new chain water pump and timing still same codes 🤦♂️
i HAVE DONE 3 OF THESE GM 2.4L TIMING CHAINS RECENTLY. 2 OF THEM THE TOP GUIDE WAS NOT ONLY MISSING THE NYLON PART BUT THE METAL TOP PART OF THE METAL BRACKET THE NYLON ATTACHES TO WAS ALSO MISSING. AND THE CHAIN ACTUALLY WORE A HOLE IN THE VALVE COVER ON ONE OF THEM. THE THIRD ONE, THE WHOLE GUIDE, INCLUDING THE BRACKET WAS MISSING INCLUDING THE SCREWS THAT HOLD IT ONTO THE HEAD. ANOTHER THING I FOUND IN COMMON ON ALL 3 OF THE ENGINES I DID WAS THE FRONT (INTAKE SIDE) GUIDE WAS BROKEN, ALLOWING SLACK IN THE CHAIN.
Ya that's crazy, what a poor design.
I have the same codes for both solenoids and car goes into limp mode and my timing chain is def loose. Do u think my valves would be bent?
Would the same metal shaving be seen on the dipstick?
What vacuum port did you use for the vac test?
Have this happening right now after I did my cam swap on my 2009 g8 gt
I see that the intake solenoid is grey, indicating it is for the 2010 LAF Equinox, not the 2011. From the pictures, it looked like it may be a replacement part from another vehicle. You have to use the VIN to go online to determine exactly which engine build you are working on, and the correct intake solenoid. If the grey one is incorrect, putting in the correct one will help.
The slack timing chain between the 2 phasers seems to indicate a failure of timing chain tension or incorrect valve timing, a problem which would also be indivated if the timing chain lines up with the wrong timing marks on the exhaust phaser(and possibly the intake phaser also). One often overlooked cause of these conditions is a defective or obstructed timing chain tensioner - replacing it with a new one is sometimes quicker than taking the old one off, then taking it apart to be sure there are no broken parts inside of the mechanism, and then resetting the actuator in the de-activated position before re-installing it. They are very easy to break when deactivating them. The torque spec on the chain tensioner upon replacement in the head is 55 ft lbs I think, but check to make sure. Chain tensioner failure, and the resulting retarded valve timing from the timing chain skipping a tooth on the phaser sprocket is a more likely cause of chain guide wear and valve timing issues than a "stretched" timing chain. The metallic and plastic debris caused by the erosion of the top chain guide gets into the chain tensioner, which is run on oil pressure, and can lock it up, thereby causing a "no-tension" situation on the timing chain.
I've noticed around 2013 they stopped running cam specific phasers and were interchangeable. Just did one Monday and stumbled onto that. The cam phaser bolts are also torque to yield as well as crankshaft dampener pulley bolt so to be "official" they should all 3 be replaced with new bolts. They're pretty cheap at gm though.
So I've got a wild story about a particular vehicle for a customer I had put an engine (3 to be exact) in for. I'm far from new to the 2.4 and 3.6 gm timing jobs. But recently I had a 2010 equinox come in and it was roughly my 25th or so job dealing with a 2.4. it was the customers high school daughters, 130,xxx for miles, looked maintained inside and was washed but like a teen, the hood never gets opened. Pulled valve cover and it was obvious they ran it dry of oil and it was the worst 2.4 I've seen yet. Metal deposits everywhere in the top end so recommended a used, lower mileage replacement engine. Finished up and sent them on their way. 2 months later it had a piston noise and like any other shop, it was warrantied from our reputable source, no issues. Well that 2nd engine 10 seconds from start up kept setting p0016 & p0017 codes, correlation codes which is involving a timing issue. I pulled my hair out for over a week, tore it down, new phasers/ tensioners, IT WAS ON TIME! After the 4th attempt knowing it was known good timing, I went as far as asking a friend that's a GM master cert. Tech if he's come across this issue and he'd never seen it before. I started pulling up recalls and TSB info on my zeuz scanner and shit you not I figured out the off the wall issue.. there's reluctors on rear of the cams, which is how the two cam sensors talk to each other and relay info back to pcm to know timing is correct. Well if the engine was previously overheated, those reluctors are only pressed on at the factory and will actually spin on the butt end of cam! My intake camshaft reluctor was off and it spun! I called my local GM dealership to order a new cam and unsurprisingly my luck, 2010 was a ONE YEAR ONLY style reluctor for cam.. and naturally it was discontinued. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Called yards to sweet talk them until saving me a cam for any 2010 cores but couldn't be at the mercy of trusting anyone to actually call me when they got one in. So had to put a 3rd engine in the car!! Insane ordeal and naturally it always happens to me 😂 so save your 2010 2.4 cams!!
My car is same car malibu but it runs great but I think I have same issue tho I found metal on solenoids and same code nothing fixes it so I'm going to order a timing chain kit, what all did u need to fix it. Thanks for helping me
Awesome, glad video helped out!
Changed timing chain guides and chain , still knock on decel around 1800 rpm , idle seems fine, any suggestions, thanks
Good info, thanks. My daughter's '07 HHR cranks but won't start and has the P0016 and P0017 codes.
What did y’all do to fix your daughters HHR
Mine has same codes
Cranks but won’t start
Thanks in advance
@@rafaelc4488She sold it to the local junkyard and bought a VW Tiguan.
When these codes sets it is ALWAYS a stretched primary chain. I do 2- 3 of them a week. On a lift you can do it in a couple hours if youve done them before.
Could this code keep the car from accelerating
@@johnsears2196 no.
@@johnsears2196 yes it most certainly can. P0017 can also mean cam or crank position sensor and that can prevent you from accelerating
I have one of these that will only start 1 out of 5 times. I was told the exhaust reluctor wheel might have fun. Have you ran into that?
Typically how much does P0016/P0017 fix cost? I have a 2013 LandRover LR2 with 115,000 miles on it.
I was very surprised this engine wasnt making noise
chevy is the best
@@MottyRuttner best at fu*kin up just like this one🤣
My timing chain guide on top is missing, chain is only sagging slightly. Can I replace just the guide to start?
What is the normal vacuum reading on a correctly timed engine
I have this problem with 2010 peugeot 308 1.6 turbo petrol, p0016, is this same problem like with Chevrolet?
Question do you have to replace the cam phasers as well ? Or can you reused them ?
You can reuse them if they’re still good. I would inspect the teeth of the phasers and make sure they aren’t loose by wobbling them left to right. Rarely do phasers go bad.
i have this problems in my pontiac g6 2007
1.- P0014-00
Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor Performance Bank
1
2.-P0021-00 Intake Camshaft Position (CMP) System Performance Bank 2
3.-P0014-00
Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Sensor Performance Bank 1
4.- P0017-00
Crankshaft Position (CKP) - Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP)
5.-P0021-00 Intake Camshaft Position (CMP) System Performance Bank 2
the oil was changed and cleaned
the gearbox was changed and a new module was purchased
When you say actuator, you’re referring to the oil control valve, correct?
what about the vvt sprokets? can those fail as well and give the same code, i just did a timing job minus vvt sprockets car runs badly at idle no power undrivable, p0016
That engine needs some help and the owner needs some schooling on regular oil changes. 😉
What were the vacuum readings?
Please help me I got a Chrysler Sebring 2009 2.4 VVT it's got two coats it's on p0017 as well as a cylinder 4 misfire the car will stall and shutter at room temperature I also have metal shavings in the oil that goes over the camshaft position sensor when I changed it there is the metal flakes stuck to the magnet part of the sensor I've changed both cam sensors and crank sensor the exhaust and the intake vvt solenoid i change oil and filter I guess there's a two-part question is it the misfire that's called I was in the p0017 or is it the other way or the p0017 is causing the misfire or is this stalling and the shuttering because the car is not at time
Could just a p0017 code, be just the solenoid or something to do with the oil level/contaminants?
Do you recommend replacing phasers when doing chains?
I do. You are already in there, not a bad idea to replace them as well. They are also known to fail.
What is the travel on the solenoid supposed to be, MIne test ok but it only moves about 1/4 inch, seems like it should move a whole chamber length?
I would say that is probably that is ok. They do not move much.
DUDE you linked a Lexus timing chain kit for this ecotec motor. LOL
Still do at least one of these jobs a month. Soooooooo many piston jobs on these 2.4’s also.
I do these and 3.6 religiously. Probably 5-6 a month.
Why the pistons ? For ring wear? Oil consumption?
I’m having the same problem. Have 2013 Chevy Malibu eco. P0014 code came up. Changed both parts. There is a ticking noise still when in idle. Could this be the chain? Can this be repaired? 94,000 miles. Thanks
What was it
I’m sure my answer isn’t of much help to you 7 months later, but for anyone else with a similar problem: it does sound likely that it’s a timing chain issue to me. The chain, tensioner, and guides are all replaceable. The cost of replacement is going to vary depending on your car, and it can get pretty pricey. In trucks & SUVs, they are harder to get to (a lot of other parts have to be removed first) so the labor costs are going to be higher. But, you don’t want to risk a broken chain. Depending on the layout of your engine, it can cause major damage to the surrounding parts.
My 2012 equinox 2.4 has code p0014. Replaced the actuators or seliniods. Code came back on. I did change my oil at same time only 2.5 quarts came out! I check my oil oil all the time never thought it was low. Whats my next step?
trade it in for Asian car
so i just did a timing chain, guides, tensioner, phasers and added a pvc valve and water pump on my girl's engine last fall. and the engine did good for all winter and now i'm getting p0011 p0016 p0017 codes. i had her clear the codes and now waiting for the first code to return to see what that is. the other codes may be from the first code. she has been changing the oil at 3000 miles regularly now. i also did new rings and bearings the oil pump was good. i did put in new phaser oil control valves but they gave her tons of codes so i put back the old ones. they did click and did have correct ohms. she said no noises like before. so i will put the new oil valves in and see if she gets tons of codes again . i;m wondering if i have a crank or cam sensor failing and not send a code for that? she did say " It's jumpy like before. It sputtered a tiny bit that was barely noticeable the day before the oil change " so does anyone have an idea? thanks
Curious what the issue was? Chain again or sensor?
In my case the chain looks not too loose, but definitely the previous owners were not using the proper oil and were not changing it regulary, because there is so much black shit under the valve cover. Do you guys think it will be okay if I just flush it and replace the solenoids ?
If you do flush it, pull the drain plug and keep a pan under it. And use kerosene to flush it out.
Hi!
I am deaf. I think that subtitles aren't clear at end part when you explained how to fix it. Can you please re-explain it in reply to me?
Also what's plastic nylon guide? That's what subtitles said.
I came here because I fixed P0011 code for my Chevy Captiva 2014 by replacing Camshaft position sensor and then it gave me new errors which is annoying. The new errors are P16A1 and P0017 which leads me to here.
I already replaced VVT Solenoid and I thought it could fix P0017.
Were are you located!!
So what? Am I need to buy new actuator right?
Having the same codes on a V6 equniox and like you said need the timing chain replaced. What would be the estimated cost for everything?
Big_baller_23 Cash_money did u ever find out the answer?
Big_baller_23 Cash_money Any info on your question? I’m trying to get a general idea on my sister’s ‘09 Traverse.
@@cjwrench07 6 grand
So your chain skipped but didn't damage internals ?
It didn't skip, but the guides keep everything tight along with the tensioner, and if the guides break, the tensioner will still be fine, but the chain will just be loose. It can definitely jump timing though. Very lucky
Please add more technical information in your description
Can anyone help me maybe, I have a equinox 2.4l in it. And timing job done everything replaced. I replaced fuel injectors fuel pressure sensor codes won't go away. I'm gonna try a fuel pressure regular, HPFP replaced to idk what else to do.
I changed both sensors on my Saturn Vue 2.4 , cables are also good but I still have this code . What else could be bad .
Could have the same problem as I had in this video
Chain
🤔 hmmm.. give or take... how much would a Chevy dealership charge for a job like that??
How much does a job like this cost?
anytime those engines throw correlation codes its always going to need a new timing set.
I am only getting the p0017 code and not p0016 since I am only getting the one code do you think it could be a bad sensor? Plan to tear into it tonight but thought I would bounce that off you.
So timing looks good and tight so replaced camshaft actuator and code has come back
I had the same issue , changed the actuator and cam sensor , next on the list is a CPS
I have changed all that now and still have the same code!
Reed Metzger ....someone said on another post you’ll have to drive it a certain way to clear the code
Eddy Mena can u put the link of the video u seen that on
So I did a whole new timing change on my 2010 traverse and got new crankshaft sensors but it continues to throw the crankshaft sensors sensor 1 bank b code and I don’t know why
If you just put a new chain on it you may need to double-check your timing marks, could be a tooth off.
What's the parts and labor cost to expect to have this corrected since I'm not allowed to do engine work in my community?
@@godisgoodatht 6 grand
I have loose chain, just replaced everything from tensioners to chains and sprockets. this car has never thrown a code. tested the actuators etc, never had a code even though you can clearly hear the chain rattle. please watch my video and read the description and let me know what you think
Did you properly activate the new timing chain tensioner? If you aren’t sure what I’m referring to, then you probably didn’t. Go to your public library and look at the Haynes guide on your vehicle. If your timing chain is still making noise, it will tell you how to activate a new timing chain tensioner without having to take the valve cover off.
How many volts did u apply when testing with power probe?
I would imagine the engine will have a short life due the metal all throughout the galleys. Run it I guess for now.
These type of fast and dirty videos are useless. Many things other than a loose timing chain can cause a P0017. Fix it then post the video.
Steve Warren Agreed. The chain could have jumped a tooth on the camshaft gear, which is a main p0017 issue and nobody wants to show that or how to go about repairing it, probably because they rely on making money on said repairs.
In 2017 Malibu LT 1.5T If vacuum pump breaks, it will also cause car to shutdown, no crank and long crank. This is absolutely GM trash design. I can see a lot of lawsuits coming for repairs. Seen class action was filed in July 2023, keep your records.
This is exactly what happened to my 2018 Chevy Malibu the vacuum pump 🤦🏾♂️ left with p00017 and p00014 .
I just replaced those 2 and my engine light is back on I used the original part I don’t know what to do now :( I need help please what else can it be. the code P0017 help!!!!!!!! Anyone
have you fixed it? Have you replayced chains?
No I haven’t fixed it but I replaced the timing chain but my engine light is still on :( with the same code.
Did you reset the computer?
Any info on the p0017
So the plastic nylon guide was never installed at the factory? Friggin GM.
The nylon guide is part of the bracket so I doubt they forgot
“This one is setting P0016 and P0017 for the camshaft actuator solenoids”. Incorrect. If the issue was directly related with either of the solenoids, you’d be getting a P0010 or a P0013, which these engines are famous for. The codes you’re getting indicate a valve timing issue, not a direct issue with a solenoid.
Prior to disassembly, you should have also performed the solenoid test you showed us with the solenoids in the engine while idling. Briefly pulsing the solenoids while watching the cam/crank pattern with a scope will tell you if oil is getting to the phasers, and/or if the phasers are working properly. You could end up taking the engine apart a second time if you miss something by not doing this test, and I’ve seen it happen. Gotta cover all your bases before committing
Just changed the exhaust camshaft sensor (did intake a month ago, then found out there was a second) and now getting P0017.
Guess I’m checking the solenoids for metal next.
Stupid fucking Gm engines, the whole purpose of having a chain is that its maintenance free. Great video tho
You didnt fix anything