CHINA's $9 Trillion Debt Disaster as Local Government Financing Vehicles Threaten Economic Collapse

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    China's Local Governments have built up a Massive $9 TRILLION of Debt through the issuance of Bonds. These Interest Coupon and Repayment of these Bonds was being funded by LAND AUCTIONS however the Property Crash has reduced this income and the Local Governments are now facing the risk of DEFAULT. In this video I look at the current situation and discuss the implications for China.
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    Chapters:
    0:00 Intro
    3:01 LGFV's
    5:50 LAND SALES
    7:52 LGFV DEBT
    12:39 SUMMARY & CONCLUSION
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Komentáře • 962

  • @ScottLarrry
    @ScottLarrry Před 5 dny +414

    Our economy is struggling with uncertainties, housing issues, foreclosures, global fluctuations, and the pandemic aftermath, causing instability. Rising inflation, sluggish growth, and trade disruptions need urgent attention from all sectors to restore stability and stimulate growth.

    • @EricaWaters-lr6zw
      @EricaWaters-lr6zw Před 5 dny +3

      With the US dollar losing value to inflation and other currencies gaining traction, uncertainty looms. Yet, many still trust in the dollar's perceived safety. Worried about my $420,000 retirement savings losing value, I seek alternative security for my money.

    • @WhitneyRoss-dj4rf
      @WhitneyRoss-dj4rf Před 5 dny +3

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    • @MelissaHobbs-qm8wi
      @MelissaHobbs-qm8wi Před 5 dny +2

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  • @angelarch5352
    @angelarch5352 Před 5 dny +60

    "The only thing that could go wrong..." is if the entire China real estate system was a ponzi scheme

    • @leogetz-rf1kf
      @leogetz-rf1kf Před 5 dny +1

      it kind of is. they took out 9 trillion in international capital loans to build ghost cities that ordinary chinese cant even afford to buy to live in. as long as international capital investment was coming in, they could afford to make payments on the loans. but with rising interest rates by western banks paying higher interest, those international capital investors put their money in the west because it was more stable and paid higher interest. so china cant afford to make min payments now.

    • @samiam619
      @samiam619 Před 5 dny +3

      From what I understand, it didn’t start as a Ponzi scheme, the Developers made it one by NOT finishing building what it started… A few heads need to roll!

    • @kamsunleong6648
      @kamsunleong6648 Před 4 dny +1

      Well this is peanuts. Try running up a 35 trillion dollar debt that increases by 100 billion dollars every month. Just keep those printers running non stop.

    • @leogetz-rf1kf
      @leogetz-rf1kf Před 4 dny +8

      @@kamsunleong6648 dont worry the americans have a diversified economy with an economic gdp of 27 trillion a year last year. russian economic gdp was 1.9 trillion before the war and likely 900 billion and shrinking. as well russia lost 51 percent of their energy gdp to eu by pipeline they cant sell to anyone else in that volume. in addition the rouble is in low demand trade globally so creating an oversupply by printing roubles is gonna tank its value in reality fast. also high inflation caused by printing roubles as we see in russia right now. when it hits hyperinflation russia arrives at a 1990 ussr moment.
      printing 35 percent of russian budge in roubles to build ammo and weapons that get destroyed in ukraine and bring back no tax revenue to russian economy. recipe for disaster in near future as inflation rises to hyperinflation.

    • @cadams2313
      @cadams2313 Před 2 dny

      o​@@kamsunleong6648

  • @dxer22000
    @dxer22000 Před 5 dny +128

    and if these are "official" figures, you can bet the real situation is a LOT worse

    • @Sir_Godz
      @Sir_Godz Před 5 dny +1

      thats 9 trillion thats not listed on the national dept but should be and national income from the provinces that they should not be getting

    • @howardtreesong4860
      @howardtreesong4860 Před 5 dny

      Every time you hear a government entity making claims about money, and China is an exponent of that tradition, you have to assume the situation is much, much worse. The amount they mention is the least amount they think they can get away with admitting to. That means the actual result is going to be excessively much worse and the local authorities stand no chance of servicing the debt and a recession in China is unavoidable once those bonds mature.

  • @BaileyJames-zv2ddd
    @BaileyJames-zv2ddd Před dnem +106

    Without a doubt, this year will be worse than the last. I lost a lot of money last year as a result of bad investment choices that I would not have made if I hadn't been so worried about my portfolio. I kept investing, but I couldn't determine whether to start paying for a house. In the end, I sold my positions, and the house needed more work than I had planned. I'm not sure how long I can keep going like this

    • @ms_jon1
      @ms_jon1 Před dnem

      We've all made mistakes at some point. You should consider financial planning

    • @agentjacob4099
      @agentjacob4099 Před dnem

      True. My portfolio was diversified across several markets with the help of a financial planner, and were able to achieve over a million in net profit among high dividend yield equities, ETFs, and bonds. It is vital that you have a variety of exposure, including in firms that are currently generating cash flows.

    • @BaileyJames-zv2ddd
      @BaileyJames-zv2ddd Před dnem

      Do you mind sharing your financial planner?

    • @agentjacob4099
      @agentjacob4099 Před dnem

      *Leah* *Foster* *Alderman*

    • @agentjacob4099
      @agentjacob4099 Před dnem

      Simply glance over her details to learn more.

  • @guildpilotone
    @guildpilotone Před 5 dny +64

    This all sounds like a giant pyramid scheme.

    • @midimusicforever
      @midimusicforever Před 4 dny +2

      It is one.

    • @stephaniewaters1777
      @stephaniewaters1777 Před 2 dny

      Like our economy, but in fast forward

    • @michaeldelisieux5252
      @michaeldelisieux5252 Před 2 dny

      Ppl that act like Chicken Little, talking about the “American debacle “ due to its debt or China’s for that matter ( in a system based entirely on IOU’s ) or are ignorant of what they are talking about OR professional deceivers. There is no other choice.

    • @stephaniewaters1777
      @stephaniewaters1777 Před 2 dny

      @@michaeldelisieux5252 the second biggest economy in the world has a debt to GDP ratio of 77%.
      That is bad.
      The biggest economy in the world has a debt to GDP ratio of 123%.
      That is just fine, and if you think otherwise you are ignorant or indulging in professional deception.
      okay buddy. the USA *is* amazing and wonderful

  • @retsamyar
    @retsamyar Před 5 dny +123

    and these are doctored numbers approved for release by the ccp... which tries to hide how bad the problem is as much as possible.

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny +4

      they succeed every time, don't they - so why not...

    • @pennycandyys
      @pennycandyys Před 4 dny +3

      Exactly!

    • @Mr11ESSE111
      @Mr11ESSE111 Před 4 dny

      so why then if they are so bad west fear of their "overproduction" and eu &usa shakes in fear for own industry which are nothing then overpriced/overhyped shit !!where is problem then !?let buyers choose not politician asssholes and elite which wants to sell you same shit product for 5-10x higher price

    • @dewaard3301
      @dewaard3301 Před 3 dny

      China has an incentive to make the West think it's not doing great, though. That might leave our politicians with a sense of complacency in tackling that threat.

    • @user-sc3nn1hf1o
      @user-sc3nn1hf1o Před dnem

      @@Mr11ESSE111 Zero connection. Dih.

  • @MasticinaAkicta
    @MasticinaAkicta Před 5 dny +39

    Those debt stacked up quickly... 2014 to 2024... YIKES! Those numbers are HORRIBLE.

    • @johanstjern4118
      @johanstjern4118 Před 5 dny

      It’s just unbelievable how China somehow fell into this debt trap just like Japan in the 80s. This is what they get for having a culture of yes-sayers. I bet even Xi didn’t understand what was going on before the red lines were introduced.

    • @garymartin9777
      @garymartin9777 Před 3 dny

      A lot of it went into high-speed rail.

    • @stephaniewaters1777
      @stephaniewaters1777 Před 2 dny

      The USA has Debt to GDP Ratio of 123 percent, China has 77 percent
      It would be nice if the two biggest economies in the world weren't giant bubbles, hey?

    • @johanstjern4118
      @johanstjern4118 Před 2 dny +1

      @@stephaniewaters1777 That’s a mislead use of the figures. If you combine household, local government and state debt China has a higher ratio to GDP than the US. Those loans mentioned in this video are not included in the Chinese government debt numbers.

    • @gio-ko7kf
      @gio-ko7kf Před dnem

      @@stephaniewaters1777Japan has a 200% debt to gdp ratio. The difference is these debts are to their own governments, not to the people nor companies.

  • @wilderbeestmcc6539
    @wilderbeestmcc6539 Před 5 dny +44

    Communism trying to play the capitalist game with government caveats. Always was doomed to failure😂👍

    • @Ukie88
      @Ukie88 Před 4 dny

      czcams.com/video/Caay18H9QvY/video.htmlfeature=shared

    • @abcxyz123
      @abcxyz123 Před 3 dny +3

      It's not truly communism. Needs another definition

    • @dreamfirefight9456
      @dreamfirefight9456 Před 2 dny

      Fascism?

    • @MultiMyNickName
      @MultiMyNickName Před dnem

      Are you THAT stupid? China OWNS ITS OWN BANKS AND CURRENCY, how can it possibly have debt? Do you understand WHY the West has debt? The West has to borrow money from private banks like the FED. China doesn't, its its own bank and it controls its own currency there is nobody who CAN lend to China dear. There is no national debt thats a US Western lie to try cover the fact their model is wholly corrupt.

  • @roxy52320
    @roxy52320 Před 5 dny +33

    Face their Karma!

  • @captainhadd0ck
    @captainhadd0ck Před 5 dny +355

    Every day I give thanks to the universe that I was not born in China.

    • @jamesbuck2378
      @jamesbuck2378 Před 5 dny +23

      Damn straight

    • @ChickenMcThiccken
      @ChickenMcThiccken Před 5 dny +7

      i wonder what makes a spirit decide its going to live as a blind homeless child in india?

    • @Davidt1066
      @Davidt1066 Před 5 dny +7

      im terrible at eoonomics but im sure if these bonds been british, they would be james bonds and the issue would be far less to worry about. right?

    • @TOMAS-lh4er
      @TOMAS-lh4er Před 5 dny

      I'm waiting to see the CCP get so desperate for cash that it invents a National emergency and forces all the banks to turn over a big portion of every netizen's cash savings they have in banks ! the people of China have a HUGE amount of cash in the banks right now, that might be the final thing that forces the people to finally REVOLT !!!!

    • @ngmookleong3415
      @ngmookleong3415 Před 5 dny +3

      born in Kensington is fantastic .

  • @geoffgill5334
    @geoffgill5334 Před 5 dny +24

    Sounds like a monumental ponzi scheme

    • @stephaniewaters1777
      @stephaniewaters1777 Před 2 dny

      The US has Debt to GDP Ratio of 123 percent, China has 77 percent.
      These countries are 16% and 25% of the world's GDP, respectively.
      It's a worry.

    • @fredwestsshovel1525
      @fredwestsshovel1525 Před 2 dny

      The Chinese have become a broken chopstick. I read the book The Broken Chopstick. A very engrossing apistles 😊

  • @unfixablegop
    @unfixablegop Před 5 dny +195

    A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

    • @kasperchristensen8416
      @kasperchristensen8416 Před 5 dny +10

      😂👍

    • @maximeb6662
      @maximeb6662 Před 5 dny +12

      They have to start looking in the sofa cracks

    • @williamalexander9485
      @williamalexander9485 Před 5 dny

      US is $34 trillion in debt, China makes stuff people actually want, to the point where they are removing themselves from the western central financial system. Then you’d be talking about real money

    • @SBCBears
      @SBCBears Před 5 dny +9

      Everett Dirkson smiles down.

    • @verttikoo2052
      @verttikoo2052 Před 5 dny +1

      European Union 🇪🇺 has a cash problem 🙄 We have 25 Trillion just sleeping on our current accounts 🙄

  • @boozolini4465
    @boozolini4465 Před 5 dny +55

    Thank you Joe, yet another masterpiece

    • @mike4480
      @mike4480 Před 4 dny +1

      Thanks Joe for another great update,..it’s much appreciated .. 💙💛💙

  • @PeterP552
    @PeterP552 Před 5 dny +29

    The property market in Australia is HOT. I think unconfident Chinese and Asian "cleaned" money buy here, driving up real estate prices and deprive locals of affordable housing. It is a huge problem and becoming a larger one continually.

    • @Rampart.X
      @Rampart.X Před 5 dny

      It's a massive racket and the government is involved.

    • @user-yt6de9mn3y
      @user-yt6de9mn3y Před 5 dny

      Yes, wealthy Chinese are taking their money and heading out of China to more civilized places with transparent and fair rule of law.

    • @PalleRasmussen
      @PalleRasmussen Před 5 dny +3

      Or Muscowites. Like in Londongrad.

    • @way2dumb
      @way2dumb Před 5 dny +2

      I agree, but not just Chinese, I believe. Housing bought and left empty in Australia is part of our rental crisis, along with public rental housing not being built. Rents here are insane!

    • @paulietv2162
      @paulietv2162 Před 4 dny +1

      Well, I am in Australia and this is all down to Australian politicians, they are the ones who allow this

  • @timothywhittaker2843
    @timothywhittaker2843 Před 5 dny +123

    Great report JB. I tried explaining to my Chinese family members about boom and bust cycles within capitalism. They assured me every time that 'Capitalism with Chinese Characteristics' would not have the negative parts of capitalism in the West. It appears that they are finally starting to understand.
    For years, they told me that government investment, regulation and state ownership of companies would see Chinese Capitalism become the model for all others to follow, an economic miracle.
    There will be an explosion of anger if everyone loses their investments, after covid, many people there are a little more angry at their government.

    • @xantiom
      @xantiom Před 5 dny +17

      It is a new "economy" every time there is a bubble. It never gets old lol

    • @GHST995
      @GHST995 Před 5 dny

      The fam sounds brain washed by the CCP propaganda.

    • @raymondszeto4277
      @raymondszeto4277 Před 5 dny

      The "Chinese Characteristics" is called corruption to the Nth degree. The laws in China are a joke, it's not design to protect the people, it's to protect the communist system.

    • @gunmnky
      @gunmnky Před 5 dny

      Chinese: We're immune to all the bad stuff of other countries
      Why?
      Chinese: Because we're the only human species in the world. Everyone else is a white monkey.
      Pretty much sums up my interactions with them when I was overseas.

    • @sharpnote1480
      @sharpnote1480 Před 5 dny +17

      It seems the Chinese characteristics is build to excess. They have no desire to manage their production to the current consumption!

  • @williamjones9662
    @williamjones9662 Před 5 dny +31

    Entitlement infection is happening in China too..

  • @dragon723.
    @dragon723. Před 5 dny +90

    9 trillion is the official number, it does not include black market debt nor various commitments that haven't been paid. Double the 9 trillion and remove 2 thirds of China's GDP to account for inflated numbers from the provinces to hit minimum targets set by the government and you start to realize why the wheels are coming off.

    • @EarthForces
      @EarthForces Před 5 dny

      Damn, that is way worse if you put it that way. HOW MUCH did they actually wiped out in their own "housing crisis"? Most of the borrowers are actually domestic. (including the CCP itself)

    • @ulfosterberg9116
      @ulfosterberg9116 Před 5 dny +11

      There comes a moment when the pretence can not be keept up....

    • @columcreaven8860
      @columcreaven8860 Před 5 dny +2

      Who owns the bonds though, bankers / pension funds, western money??

    • @Serolfarim1
      @Serolfarim1 Před 5 dny +8

      Enormous hidden debt off the books.

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny +3

      @@columcreaven8860 exactly - its the lenders' problem, most seem to forget

  • @stormtrooper2170
    @stormtrooper2170 Před 5 dny +25

    Its like handling money to a thief plus conman. You can never get it back.👈🤣🤣🤣

  • @blackadder564
    @blackadder564 Před 5 dny +18

    "They couldn't see any end in sight in terms of the increase in property values and the increase in property sales."
    Isn't that the same whenever somewhere a real estate bubble bursts?

    • @alexv3357
      @alexv3357 Před 5 dny +2

      Financiers are generally not history majors, after all

    • @blackadder564
      @blackadder564 Před 5 dny

      @@alexv3357 Well, they should study history. To not make the same mistakes again. But well, I guess they can afford it.

    • @alexv3357
      @alexv3357 Před 3 dny +1

      @@blackadder564 If they can afford mistakes, they should be able to afford degrees too. Those are probably a lot cheaper.

    • @blackadder564
      @blackadder564 Před dnem

      @@alexv3357 😂

  • @jdavidblais
    @jdavidblais Před 5 dny +10

    Why we never heard some credit company lower the credit score of china ?

  • @chrisfletcher86
    @chrisfletcher86 Před 5 dny +31

    When you owe someone a little money it's your problem, when you owe someone a lot of money it's their problem.
    Wonder who owns the bonds!

    • @dylanthomas12321
      @dylanthomas12321 Před 5 dny

      Ultimately it's the Billion Chinese workers who put their savings in banks and investment firms which bought the bonds. Many regular Chinese have trouble withdrawing their banked money, they demonstrate, police knock heads. Investment firms promised big returns, now facing bankruptcy. It's even worse than Joe said.

    • @paulchapin6877
      @paulchapin6877 Před 2 dny +1

      The original line goes something like “if you own a million dollars and can’t pay it’s your problem. If you own ten million and can’t pay it the debt holder’s problem. If you own a hundred million and can’t pay it’s the government’s problem.”

  • @edl653
    @edl653 Před 5 dny +59

    An important note, no one has bought property and are only buying leases. All those individuals who leased property are getting screwed and will not have any hope of getting all their money back, much less a positive return.

    • @michaelweaklend
      @michaelweaklend Před 5 dny +4

      He calls this out at 4:30.

    • @Nova2Yung
      @Nova2Yung Před 5 dny +20

      how to convince an entire population to participate in a ponzi scheme 101

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 Před 5 dny +14

      @@Nova2Yung That's easy, just make every other method of investment functionally if not outright illegal.

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny +8

      @@MK_ULTRA420 it gets worse - the vast chunk has already been monetized, so both citizens' assets and their purchasing power is about to evaporate substantially

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 Před 5 dny +3

      @@TheGrimStoic That would be a very bad time to have a bunch of electric vehicles everywhere, especially ones that lack any shutdown features when overheated.

  • @michaelcainap4249
    @michaelcainap4249 Před 5 dny +11

    what a scam

  • @seanlander9321
    @seanlander9321 Před 4 dny +2

    Chinese property is the greatest Ponzi Scheme the world has ever seen. Honestly, they have no one to blame but themselves 😅.

  • @SuperAnatolli
    @SuperAnatolli Před 5 dny +14

    Looks like some of the chinese regions has some inconveniences brewing up..

  • @russellmitchell8177
    @russellmitchell8177 Před 5 dny +5

    One of the best explanations I've heard for the whole shmeary mess.
    Thank you.

  • @stardustjazztrio
    @stardustjazztrio Před 5 dny +18

    You give such thoughtful and comprehensive analysis of your target projects . Congratulations 😊

  • @kocyszemaitis2310
    @kocyszemaitis2310 Před 5 dny +58

    I was 600th like! Slava ukraini!

  • @tonysu8860
    @tonysu8860 Před 5 dny +15

    Those that subscribe to the China Update channel have been following this problem blow.by blow for years now.
    This episode looks excellent for anyone who has not been following the Chinese economic crisis but does not include the attempts by China to resolve their crisis and failed
    Apparently the CCP has backed off enforcing policies like the Three Red Lines that shocked the economy
    The CCP also has recognized after taking from the Chinese for so many years that it's the only entity with possible resources to save the economy but the CCP is also loathe to risk its own wealth so has created a number of super long debt of at least 25 years . But who would buy 25 year bonds at below market interest rates? The idea is that the money raised by the CCP is then given or loaned to the local governments
    China's financial markets particularly those that sell only to domestic buyers are very opaque so no one can really see with certainty what is happening.
    By now, China is probably realizing that real reforms care needed and CCP efforts are too little too late and not effective and there is a feeling of loss of hope and giving up

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny +1

      you forgot the 5trill they've already remonetized local spvs with

    • @WarH
      @WarH Před 5 dny

      When is land leasing started in China anybody that had their hands in that cookie jar got money back from the cookie jar. There’s so much corruption going on there. Money was leaking out of everywhere. The developers were taken money in full from the buyers or the leasers and buying or leasing other land with that can’t do that. And that $9 trillion number that I have a lot more than that that goes a lot deeper. There’s an old saying in this country you don’t put all your eggs in one basket, housing markets anywhere in the world can go up and go down. That noise you’re hearing at the end is a big thud. What a mess and the sad thing is that the CCP does not care about its own people. They care about what they can liner pockets with right now they got cotton balls in there they’re looking for dollar bills, that’s all they care about

  • @rb95051
    @rb95051 Před 5 dny +3

    Local governments do no go burst, the bond holders are the one screwed….any idea who they are?

  • @pastpresent4948
    @pastpresent4948 Před 5 dny +8

    Many thanks for the best reports that are very rare to find these days I always follow your blogs … well done 👌

  • @wilburnprice9886
    @wilburnprice9886 Před 2 dny +2

    Even the US Gov could not make as big a mess as this.

  • @pixeldup
    @pixeldup Před 5 dny +4

    In finance, 'special purpose (vehicle/aquisition company, etc)' = scam. Just one big casino.

  • @davidhynes
    @davidhynes Před 5 dny +5

    What happened to China dethroning the USD?

  • @ValentinArzola
    @ValentinArzola Před 5 dny +8

    China literally looks like it is in an economic depression. The CCP is just not willing to admit it to themselves, much less the world. They have a deflation problem in everything they produce in the private sector, of which not much is left. All the land leases, that the local governments depended on for revenue are no longer valuable enough to sustain the bond debt and to make things worse, the working age population has a unemployment rate so high that the government doesn't report it anymore. This situation is so much worse than Japan in the 1990s. It is only a matter of time.
    One of two things is going to happen in China. The CCP is going to deflect and blame its problems on the Global West, creating termoil outside of the country and starting a major war by invading Taiwan and attacking Japan and the Philippines.
    Or there will be major protests to overthrow the CCP in China. Either way, it is going to be bloody.

    • @ulfosterberg9116
      @ulfosterberg9116 Před 5 dny +1

      It is true that xi needs a Victoria. But it is less likely that they try with Taiwan inspite of all the retoric. Siberia is a much better fit for his aspirations. China would have natural resources and a hinterland that would make it invonurable to the west and all central asian countries would become vassals.

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny

      @@ulfosterberg9116 Xi poor guy is just a crook - Putin's a kook - no Sir - South Tibet, not Siberia

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny

      Any other scenario may happen - bowl of petunias, blue whale - you name it - but CCP overthrow - well - they can try

  • @1verstapp
    @1verstapp Před 5 dny +13

    looks like another mgmt fail.

  • @jefferee2002
    @jefferee2002 Před 5 dny +20

    It's funny hearing Westerners who are so impressed with Chinese cities compared to those, say, in the United States. Whelp, time to pay the piper.

  • @forgetn
    @forgetn Před 5 dny +10

    Joe it's an interesting problem, but a 100% domestic one. the solution is to monetize the debt, by printing money. It will lead to a devaluation of the currency (maybe). for more than two years bond pricing has become a state secret. The rest of the world is not exposed to this disaster, but it gets worse because, after the state authorities, the State-owned enterprises are the biggest bond borrowers. Again the risk of contagion is almost nil. They will replace bonds with cash book entry in Remimbi...fun time. BTW excellent summary

  • @Birch37
    @Birch37 Před 5 dny +135

    9 Trillion is probably China's actual GDP 😅😂😅

    • @hydroac9387
      @hydroac9387 Před 5 dny

      Close. In 2022 the GDP of China was ~$18 trillion dollars

    • @AllDay3090
      @AllDay3090 Před 5 dny +35

      No, it's China's actual population according to the very reliable & trustworthy Chinese government. 😂

    • @ulfosterberg9116
      @ulfosterberg9116 Před 5 dny +21

      Probably less. Some ten years ago chinas GDP was estimated to be 40% of the official figure. Since then growth has been anemic but official figures still show healthy growth.

    • @ybvb
      @ybvb Před 5 dny +2

      it's 6.7 T more than went missing on 10.09.2001

    • @LittleRadicalThinker
      @LittleRadicalThinker Před 5 dny +3

      Maybe 9 times of the actual GDP..

  • @MortenChristensen1979.
    @MortenChristensen1979. Před 5 dny +38

    Based on the Chinese laws lands can not be privately owned, people only have the right to use the land,but not own the land, house ownership expires in 70 years.
    Thats just insane !

    • @magnushelin007
      @magnushelin007 Před 5 dny +4

      And if you buy an apartment that is 35 years old, you pay for using the apartment for 35 years.

    • @Nova2Yung
      @Nova2Yung Před 5 dny +8

      Its essentially daylight robbery by the state

    • @woongah
      @woongah Před 5 dny +10

      I am pretty sure that the same is/was in the UK - the land is owned by the crown/state and "leased" for 99 years, lease to be automatically renewed on expiration - maybe under payment of a small registration fee - unless some rare exception come into play.
      The difference is that we all suspect that the Chinese government will play fast and loose when THEIR lease start expiring.

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny +5

      that's perfectly logical - what's insane is people biting into it at scale

    • @neolithictransitrevolution427
      @neolithictransitrevolution427 Před 5 dny

      70 years seems pretty reasonable. I don't think this is a flaw as you describe it.

  • @sofjanmustopoh7232
    @sofjanmustopoh7232 Před 5 dny +7

    Debt fueled growth

  • @sfbluedevil8588
    @sfbluedevil8588 Před 5 dny +8

    That could be triple in number! Wait until the bubbles burst then the real numbers will be a big shock. I won’t be surprised lot of US retirement fund is invested in these type of bonds 😅😅

    • @flagmichael
      @flagmichael Před 5 dny

      You're thinking of Social Security, I presume. It doesn't work that way. Sold as a "pact between the generations" the money that is acquired from earners and employers is mostly sent to SS recipients like me, month by month. It is a very dynamic/volatile pathway. The SSA reports, "Asset reserves grew from about $163 billion at the end of December 1989 to about $2,908 billion ($2.9 trillion) by the end of December 2020. Since the end of December 2020, asset reserves have declined slightly to about $2,767 billion ($2.8 trillion) by the end of March 2024." Not bad!

  • @user-xb4cs7ui3j
    @user-xb4cs7ui3j Před 5 dny +4

    How does the shoddy construction play into this situation?

  • @terryrasmussen6409
    @terryrasmussen6409 Před 5 dny +4

    Thanks!

  • @JanBruunAndersen
    @JanBruunAndersen Před 5 dny +5

    Thanks

  • @brianmarshall8537
    @brianmarshall8537 Před 5 dny +26

    If everybody is in debt, who do they owe it to.

    • @Relocklabs
      @Relocklabs Před 5 dny +11

      the lizard people !

    • @attackxxx
      @attackxxx Před 5 dny

      The People you will never meet because they live in the Islands being massaged by the young.

    • @odenat3701
      @odenat3701 Před 5 dny +9

      Most of the debt is owed to each countries own people&banks because all the governments are selling trust funds. Other countries, investors and foreign banks are also buying those funds.

    • @Nova2Yung
      @Nova2Yung Před 5 dny +9

      to themselves and anyone thats sick in the mind to buy Chinese bonds lmfao 🤣

    • @alexandrupopa8333
      @alexandrupopa8333 Před 5 dny +3

      If i give you 1$ the total debt is 1$, then you lend someone 1$ while still owning me my dollar then the total debt is 2$ this is how i understand it

  • @tonymckeage1028
    @tonymckeage1028 Před 5 dny +7

    Great Video Joe, Perhaps the next Video should be about the "house of cards" that could fall over if this fails, thanks for sharing

  • @christianlibertarian5488

    It is really difficult to figure out who is left holding the bag here. Probably by design. Trillions in debt, but mostly owed from a government corporation to another government entity. Ok, so the government decides one day to write off the debt, or to simply freeze it (effectively already happening). In the real world, the effect would be to stop further development of this type (also effectively already happening). But in money world, what does this mean? It looks to me that this essentially subtracts trillions of yuan from whatever China uses as an equivalent of M2. It appears to me that this also is already happening, visible as the deflation China is experiencing. So, my tea leaves say that China will have to print money by the junk load, forcing Chinese consumers to eat the cost.

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 Před 5 dny

      "So, my tea leaves say that China will have to print money by the junk load, forcing Chinese consumers to eat the cost."
      China has already been doing that for over 30 years.

    • @EarthForces
      @EarthForces Před 5 dny

      @MK_ULTRA420 True, but now they can't deny that it will blow BIG TIME on their faces. They got away with it because the pretence was kept on running by both their government and the greedy investors. (especially foreign ones)

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny +1

      already happened last quarter

    • @dylanthomas12321
      @dylanthomas12321 Před 5 dny

      Their M2 is an order of magnitude higher than the US. I did some research but forgot the number. It was unbelievable. Their currency is a fiction and they're having trouble propping it up. Remember, they import 11 million barrels of oil per day and 70 percent of their food, and most people want dollars for those. They're ina bind.

  • @christianlax931
    @christianlax931 Před 5 dny +4

    Tack!

  • @exponentmantissa5598
    @exponentmantissa5598 Před 4 dny +3

    JOE - Any chance you could cover Canada. We have a govt that is determined to climb back down the ladder of prosperity. We have massive immigration (and not the right kind), some of the worlds most expensive housing, a spiraling debt/deficits, lack of foreign investment and a full on frontal assault of our resource industries. I lived here my whole life (I just retired) and I have never seen the country slide as much as it has in the last decade.

  • @user-pb7bt9nf9i
    @user-pb7bt9nf9i Před 5 dny +1

    Some very disturbing reports about savers in China having their bank deposits forcibly appropriated to purchase local government bonds.

  • @kristinfrostlazerbeams
    @kristinfrostlazerbeams Před 5 dny +1

    I realized at an early age that sweeping the crud under the rug would just make an even larger, more intimidating mess for me to clean up in the future. It's not a Chinese proverb, but it probably needs to be one. Just with fancy poetics.

  • @Maximummax23
    @Maximummax23 Před 5 dny +3

    Fantastic work Joe! Cleared up so much for me!

  • @kuatofkuat2838
    @kuatofkuat2838 Před 5 dny +3

    Thanks for the brief!

  • @alexv3357
    @alexv3357 Před 5 dny +1

    For a sense of scale, local governments in 2019, before the pandemic hit, were funding anywhere from 25% to 40% of their normal operating budgets through LGFVs.

  • @Kookaboy
    @Kookaboy Před 2 dny +1

    They seem to have failed to factor in the declining population effect of the one-child policy on property demand

  • @reformed1trick739
    @reformed1trick739 Před 5 dny +2

    Nothing tells a story like a chart

  • @AdrianCHOY
    @AdrianCHOY Před 3 dny +1

    It’s nothing compared to USA’s 35t. At least their 9t is disasters of their failed projects. Most of 35t of USA’s spent on others.

  • @jesselivermore2291
    @jesselivermore2291 Před 5 dny +7

    still trying to figure where does the 5% growth rate comes from, cant find a answer.

    • @Jaysqualityparts
      @Jaysqualityparts Před 5 dny

      Always to boot.

    • @IxGxNxI
      @IxGxNxI Před 5 dny +8

      Party requirement. And if the reality does not match what the party wants, that's reality's problem.

    • @TheGrimStoic
      @TheGrimStoic Před 5 dny

      from winnie's pooh

  • @LesterAdriana
    @LesterAdriana Před 5 dny +229

    It will be a very unpleasant winter for many European countries this year. Its even worse when you dont have enough saved up. At this point, the thoughts of retirement scares the hell outta me. Its been a really bad year for me and my investments. The market conditions these days are really causing me a lot of stress. I'm worried this could put a wrench in my retirement plans. Exhausting!

    • @NaomiVardy-oe5rk
      @NaomiVardy-oe5rk Před 5 dny

      I was a stay at Home mom with no money in my IRA or any savings of my own, which was scary at 53 years of age. Three years ago I got a part time job and save everything I make. After 3 years, I am 56 yo and have put $9,000 in an IRA and $40,000 in my portfolio with CFA, Abby Joseph Cohen. Since the goal of getting a job was to invest for retirement and NOT up my lifestyle, I was able to scale this quickly to $150,000. If I can do this in a year, anyone can.

    • @BruceWoolems
      @BruceWoolems Před 5 dny +1

      I'm happy Abby is gaining the recognition she deserves.

    • @BruceWoolems
      @BruceWoolems Před 5 dny

      The market's top signal provider. Highly knowledgeable and level-headed

    • @MeckesGladden
      @MeckesGladden Před 5 dny

      I went from no money to lnvest with to busting my A** off on Uber eats for four months to raise about $20k to start trading with Abby Joseph Cohen. I am at $128k right now and LOVING that you have to bring this up here

    • @LesterAdriana
      @LesterAdriana Před 5 dny

      I could really use some help, as a meagre salary earner I need to try and earn more passive income

  • @FatFrankie42
    @FatFrankie42 Před 5 dny +2

    *_comment for the algorithm gods_*
    ~ with 💞 & appreciation from Winston Salem, NC

  • @stevecoinitin7521
    @stevecoinitin7521 Před 5 dny +1

    Chinese local authorities were also duped by local manufacturers.
    Under a state system, manufacturers could claim big support grants from local authorities if companies hit certain targets.
    So many companies abused the system, massaged figures or over-produced electric car and bikes etc and created shortfalls in local authority coffers!
    That's why we saw fields of unsold electric cars and mountains of unsold bikes!

  • @elisabethnygaard8525
    @elisabethnygaard8525 Před 5 dny +4

    Bobble’s always bursting in the end.

  • @bobbrown8661
    @bobbrown8661 Před 5 dny +8

    President Xi: Oh Bother.

  • @williamgatheist1314
    @williamgatheist1314 Před 5 dny +3

    Joe why no try a video with USA, Japan and China, total debt, and ability to pay, without ramping up the printing press?

    • @Ukie88
      @Ukie88 Před 5 dny

      Waste of time for Joe as the west has a totally different mindset.

    • @williamgatheist1314
      @williamgatheist1314 Před 5 dny

      @@Ukie88 I would like to see the exercise mainly because I do not believe China has anywhere near the debt-to-currency problems that the US and Japan have!

  • @quasar6959
    @quasar6959 Před 5 dny +7

    When the title said vehicle I thought we were getting a video about EVs from china that are heavily subsidised and how they can’t sell them.Maybe a video about them in the future

  • @CalgarGTX
    @CalgarGTX Před 5 dny +1

    Allowing local authorities to do xyz is always a bad idea in the end, it leads to inefficient capital raising and spending, and also unnecessary redundancies and extra useless government personnel that make everything that needs doing more costly. This is an universal truth and not for china only.
    One nation needs to have one set of policies and government, not a myriad small ones 'empowered' to do, over time, whatever they want to.

  • @JasonAmir-qo4uo
    @JasonAmir-qo4uo Před 5 dny +8

    Investing in this economy is a hell at times for the average person that wants full control of their finances, Even investing in ETF stocks can be risky

    • @JoshuaEdson22
      @JoshuaEdson22 Před 5 dny +2

      Well, I gotta admit, I took a hit in the profit department with my stock moves. But hey, every red chart has a chance to turn green, right? Time to step up my trading game and flip that chart for the better.

    • @JohnMiddleston
      @JohnMiddleston Před 5 dny +1

      The question to be asked at times is not if the government or the economy is responsible for the sudden dramatic shifts in the economy but if we are taking the necessary measures to avoid making losses no matter the situation even if the pay roll is not in your favor.

    • @MichaelSaito-fq9gz
      @MichaelSaito-fq9gz Před 5 dny

      One of the reasons i follow up these stock videos is to improve the returns of my investments and i can’t really say I’ve been seeing noticeable change though …. I’ll keep following to improve my investment philosophy anyway and find better ways to create smarter investments.

    • @John-ww2fv
      @John-ww2fv Před 5 dny

      What would you consider the necessary measures though? I was at a seminar two days ago where investors gave their opinions on how we can better investment for proper returns.

    • @GibsonJames-gr3on
      @GibsonJames-gr3on Před 5 dny

      @@John-ww2fv At times not just creating smart investments but buying assets can improve your profit margins in the long run.

  • @JessSimpson1313
    @JessSimpson1313 Před 5 dny +5

    I feel so bad for the average Chinese citizen having to deal with all this. The government limits where you can invest your money, creating a situation where basically a house is the only thing you can put money into that you know will be there when you need it and then the government creates a situation that results in you not even being able to get the house you paid for. Now the local governments are insolvent and the outlook of everything looks like it's going from bad to worse. Hopefully the government will take care of them, bit given the actions of the government to date I wouldn't be holding my breath.

    • @vincentyeo88
      @vincentyeo88 Před 5 dny +1

      Fortunately, those farmers' children, who are stupid not to buy any real estate because they know nothing but only farming, are the ones who don't lose their money. 💰🤣💰

  • @veda9151
    @veda9151 Před 5 dny +1

    If the majority of bond holders are Chinese citizens, it shouldn't be a problem to "convince" them to accept a late payment plan.

    • @neon1899
      @neon1899 Před 5 dny +1

      They'll pay the local bond holders but default on overseas debt

    • @veda9151
      @veda9151 Před 5 dny

      @@neon1899Off the top of my head (I don't have hard numbers, so I might be wrong), those bond are mostly issued within Chinese market. The central bank did packaged some of the debt and sell it in Hong Kong, but it is just a small amount.

  • @ralphhardie7492
    @ralphhardie7492 Před 3 dny +1

    That was a really excellent information clip.
    Last 7 minutes really explained a lot for me
    thank you
    🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @-FALKOR
    @-FALKOR Před 5 dny +8

    🇺🇸🇺🇦❤🤍💙💛🌹🇮🇱🤍💙‬

    • @SERGIO-cr6uy
      @SERGIO-cr6uy Před 5 dny

      What does that have to do with the subject of the video? Some accounts like yours should be banned from commenting.

  • @NexPutax
    @NexPutax Před 5 dny +1

    Competent analysis and your research shows in the details it relies on. Thanks, Joe.

  • @Joaodocaminhao0234
    @Joaodocaminhao0234 Před 4 dny +1

    Thank you

  • @LouisAlbert-xr7zg
    @LouisAlbert-xr7zg Před 5 dny +267

    *Amazing video, you work for 40yrs to have $1M in your retirement, meanwhile some people are putting just $10K into trading from just few months ago and now they are multimillionaires*

    • @QuentinHufton
      @QuentinHufton Před 5 dny

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      @Michaelfloud2333 Před 5 dny

      Same, I operate a wide- range of Investments with help from My Financial Adviser. My advice is to get a professional who will help you, plan and enhance your management skills. For the record, working with Ann Marie strunk, has been an amazing experience.

    • @ElveyBoddie
      @ElveyBoddie Před 5 dny

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      believe in God

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      @DebeaumontCadiz Před 5 dny

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    • @LysterCushard
      @LysterCushard Před 5 dny

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  • @joelturley4847
    @joelturley4847 Před 5 dny +14

    china is in decline 😢 Sad

    • @MrDevilgodspeed
      @MrDevilgodspeed Před 5 dny

      Same as Apple, when there is no way up, the only way is down. No such thing as non stop rising

    • @schloops8473
      @schloops8473 Před 5 dny +1

      @@MrDevilgodspeed yah but Apple was the most valued company on the planet... shouldn't be compared to china where the average citizen is poor, the debt and deficits massives and the demographics are horrible.

  • @ianhackwell8719
    @ianhackwell8719 Před 3 hodinami +1

    Love your talks.

  • @pjdelucala
    @pjdelucala Před 5 dny +1

    Terrific video Joe. Very clear explanation.

  • @KevinInPhoenix
    @KevinInPhoenix Před 5 dny +6

    Who would have thought that communists would be spectacularly bad at playing capitalists?

  • @Craig-ch5cp
    @Craig-ch5cp Před 5 dny +3

    That is only about 1.2 trillion. The USA 🇺🇸 debt is 32-33 trillion dollars. Massive difference. So 1.2 trillion is nothing. It’s ok 👍🏻

    • @ronnie5329
      @ronnie5329 Před 5 dny +2

      Little pink Little pink 😅😅😅

    • @Craig-ch5cp
      @Craig-ch5cp Před 5 dny

      @@ronnie5329 听不懂

    • @alaindumas1824
      @alaindumas1824 Před 4 dny +1

      The debt is 9 trillion $ not 9 trillion Yuan or about 1.2 trillion $.

  • @jbrown6367
    @jbrown6367 Před 5 dny +1

    Hi
    Thanks, Joe
    Good stuff

  • @WarH
    @WarH Před 5 dny +2

    That’s cool putting all your eggs in one basket. Not very smart to do what they did when it came to housing market everything goes up. Everything comes down. But this is one big thud from China.

  • @beautifulsmall
    @beautifulsmall Před 5 dny +4

    The Infrastructure must be amazing after spending $9T, right ?

    • @Jaysqualityparts
      @Jaysqualityparts Před 5 dny +2

      😂

    • @EarthForces
      @EarthForces Před 5 dny

      Tofu Dregs is a thing in China. A good chunk of that 9t worth of "investments" are essentially rubble with the rest, to become rubble when the structural integrity of the building fails.

  • @tonygee5087
    @tonygee5087 Před 5 dny +3

    Yes that is a big total of debt. But it is important to understand that my understanding of the local gov debt is owned to other Chinese not overseas creditors. I'm not fully informed but I believe most of the local debt essentially comes from domestic banks who also manage investment funds of chinese people. So, when the local gov can't pay it's interest the central gov seems to be simply "printing" money and transfering that to local gov accounts. Also, local small chinese people will also just lose their funds in the banks that were "invested" with the local gov. so, it is noting like the catastrophe of nations defaulting on their foreign debts but rather is tantamount to an internal transfer of wealth from chinese investors to the State. The people will also pay the inflation caused by the central gov printing money. It is a bit like if one of your companies owes another one of your companies and one defaults on the loan to other. You haven't actually lost any money but rather there is transfer of wealth from lending company to the debtor company. China doens't seem to have an inflation problem but rather a deflation problem so printing money and bailing out failing banks and local govs has a long way to go before it causes high inflation. So, it's nothing like the problem you might think. The other thing is that China has a massive balance of trade surplus so every year it builds huge reserves of foriegn currencies. This is also completely opposite of most other coutnries. Countries with foriegn debt and a trade deficit can very quickly default and chaos ensures. But China is structurally completely different.

    • @Jaysqualityparts
      @Jaysqualityparts Před 5 dny +1

      Problem is that system works fine when people are buying their goods but tariffs and nobody wanting their products anymore because of the way they’re acting is turning into a major problem for China.

    • @iivarilappalainen9836
      @iivarilappalainen9836 Před 5 dny

      Normies loosing their and their extended families life savings is far from minor issue. It's gonna splash big time there.

    • @user-yt6de9mn3y
      @user-yt6de9mn3y Před 5 dny +1

      @@JaysqualitypartsI wish people would avoid buying Chinese made products but I fear their consumerist habits won’t change any time soon.

  • @barrywmurphy2
    @barrywmurphy2 Před 5 dny

    Great work Thanks for posting!

  • @inkmetal1
    @inkmetal1 Před 5 dny +2

    Couldn't happen to a nicer country.

    • @YourHineyness
      @YourHineyness Před 4 dny

      Planets are like animals: every one needs an a**hole.

  • @marcz6653
    @marcz6653 Před 5 dny +3

    I’m starting to think Joe is a CIA propagandist!! 😂😂

    • @carolinerondon8934
      @carolinerondon8934 Před 5 dny +1

      He is merely using their own numbers. There is even more problems as the shadow money in China is quite high.

  • @buildorder06
    @buildorder06 Před 5 dny

    Thank you,Joe; very interesting indeed.

  • @bdcochran01
    @bdcochran01 Před 5 dny +1

    The PRC is a country wherein historically people have saved over 1/3 of their income. Before the housing boom that started in the late 1990s, the money was put into low interest state bank accounts. You were expected to support yourself in your retirement and your parents. It was a one child only country. Moreover, the central government pays only about 10% of the national health bill because for decades, hospitals have been designated as profit and loss centers and have to be self sufficient.
    The following is what will happen.
    1. People will be forced to roll their bonds into bonds with a maturity of 100 years.
    2. The bonds will be worthless because no one will want to buy your bonds and wait 100 years to collect.
    3. Your retirement money is gone.
    At the same time, unless the policy is changed, you cannot declare bankruptcy and be freed from paying on a mortgage.
    The last blow is that cities do not impose income, property, or sales taxes. The funds for improvements like streets, lights, government buildings and services has come from selling leases to builders who are no longer building.
    The economic corrective measures will be starvation, earlier deaths, a reduced standard of living, substantially less investments in public works, a lesser educated population, reduced efficiency in the economy and a reversion to a lower industrialized society.

  • @finnya4720
    @finnya4720 Před 5 dny +1

    Very in depth

  • @blakeloyd1
    @blakeloyd1 Před 5 dny +2

    By the map of debt to GDP in each province, only rich parts of the country have less than 100%, and all other less productive areas are the worst leveraged. So, that should mean default is far more likely for these areas.

  • @JohnDoe-jd7oc
    @JohnDoe-jd7oc Před 5 dny +1

    Tks Joe.
    Cda.

  • @patrickshanghai2064
    @patrickshanghai2064 Před 5 dny

    scary situation. good video, Blogs.

  • @rob6052
    @rob6052 Před dnem

    Of course the state will have to foot the bill the way the state always does. On the backs of the people that they're supposed to serve. As individual investors they're screwed. As depositors they're screwed. As "social debtors", they're screwed. After that, there's still millions of unoccupied or unbuilt "units" of housing. What an unmitigated disaster.

  • @eneagiordano7183
    @eneagiordano7183 Před 2 dny

    I'm a father, i have 2 kids, and i'm so tired but at the same time very angry. They constantly threaten the world, but I'm not scared of their threats and i'm ready to do what is necessary to protect my family.

  • @robertewalt7789
    @robertewalt7789 Před 5 dny +1

    So investors in these bonds are holding the bag. As are investors in the development companies. As are those apartment buyers who paid for non-completed apartments. And the banks who financed all this.

  • @Cliff.Hanger
    @Cliff.Hanger Před 5 dny +2

    Sounds like ‘The Great Hargassian Goat Bubble’ once again. Everyone wins, everyone gets richer and nobody thinks whether the concept that everyone can get richer is a valid premise.

  • @kroey221
    @kroey221 Před 5 dny +1

    Great video as always

  • @junecampsall7474
    @junecampsall7474 Před 5 dny +1

    Great video

  • @seegurke93
    @seegurke93 Před 11 hodinami +1

    Hey Joe :) I always watch till the end when the cute video comes of some animals. Thanks :) Grüße