I Lied About The New Cirrus Generation 7
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Previously we covered The all new Cirrus SR Series generation 7 was from Cirrus Aircraft. The SR22 Cirrus is one of the best selling single piston engine airplanes and it also happens to be the most expensive. Think of Cirrus as the Bentley of single pistons. They carter to customers who want practicality, luxury and comfort. The new SR22 G7 will continue that tradition.
I did get a chance to fly the new Cirrus G7. It's shockingly good.
So what's new? here are some cool new features in the SR22 G7
- New touch screens in the center of the cockpit - Cirrus is doing away with the chunky keyboard and now you have touchscreens similar to the cockpit of the Cirrus Jet
- Side sticks - you also get new side sticks mirroring the Cirrus SF50 jet
- Push to start - Cirrus is doing away with turning an ignition key even with an old engine. Now you have a push to start button to rev up your engines, just like you have in modern cars.
- Safe 3D Taxi map - Fancy but a very neat safety feature.
- Auto fuel selector - This may be my favorite new feature in the G7. Now you can Automatically alternate between fuel tanks every five gallons during flight to ease fuel management. Any safety feature that can reduce the work load on a Pilot I think is pretty awesome.
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Hi Mike, Here Mike from Guatemala, I tried many airplanes and since I got my C.SR22, there were no doubts that is the best single airplane in market. I feels so safe and smooth that compare to other single. It doesn't pass through my mind, changing the SR22. Good and well explained video, I had the same feelings you did.
Something Pilatus said about the transition from the PC12 and PC24 being familiar with respect to the cockpit. Maybe Cirrus wants a similar thing between the SR22 and the SF50
You nailed it. Cirrus wants an easy transition for their piston series to their jets. The cockpits in both are pretty much identical now. Cirrus states it their promotion videos.
The majority of the people who complain about the cirrus are people who can't afford a cirrus.
So, I get that you own one, is that right?
I own one and he’s correct
@@lukebelvin4900you should make content
In my experience it’s not that people complain about cirrus the airplane it’s the pilots flying the cirrus. I love flying the cirrus and tell everyone I know that if you get into it will change your opinion and realize it isn’t the airplane
@@carlott13 yes it took my friends one flight and they were blown away.
I have been flying on and off since the late 90s. Learned in a Zenair very light weight plane. Spent a little time in a light and heavy versions of the Robinsons, a little small Cessna high wing exposure, and a little time in a Vans RV7. I never really felt comfortable in any of them, they were hot, lout, very bumpy, they made flying feel unnatural, and I was always acutely aware of the risks, not dissimilar from the feeling I get when out on a diving trip under the ocean, it makes you question if this risk (for family who is reliant) is worth it. I tried a flight in an SR22T last year in the summer in the high dessert of AZ. I was stunned, it was so smooth, so controlled, intuitive, and confidence inspiring, logical, it was just friendly. It was the first time I had no sense of risk, or uneasiness. That thing was like a dart, like a smooth arrow through the air, absolutely smooth, luxurious and in control it was a true personal chariot able and willing to take you anywhere with a smile. The analogy between a sporty German car and an economy car very closely approximates the difference, its not easy to describe, but man when your in it, you know it, it feels like you are driving or flying something expensive and quality. I haven't bought one yet, but I would sure like to.
I was flying light twins for a while, then helped a buddy and flew his Cessna 150 to its annual inspection. I was not used to all those bumps!
awesome video , enjoyed the comparison of the SR22 G7 to the SR20 at the end nice wrap up Mike! Keep up the great work !
I trained and received my PPL in an SR20 and quickly transitioned to the 22. Both are great planes to fly. The SR22 and its bigger engine, being faster and heavier was a slightly different feel but after the many hours in the 20, it was a seamless transition. Listen, I've always been a fan of the innovative Cirrus and would get heavy backlash for training in a "plastic plane". When I had to get checked out in a 172 and flew a Cherokee 6, I thought "What the heck is this"? I have to pull out a paper checklist? What do you mean no engine monitor? Lastly, praise is due to the Klapmeiers for being the innovators they are.
Well presented impression of the SR Gen 7. I worry about so much automation, but it seems the FAA and manufacturers are good with it, and pilots like to fly it. Definitely can cut down on the workload.
Hey champ, I’m completely fascinated with airplanes too…..I don’t have a pilots license, but I do have the dream to fly!
I have flown with a good friend who has a G6 SR22. The airplane is amazing. Great work on your videos! I especially enjoyed the comparison between SR20 & SR22.
I have flown around 50 hrs in a Cirrus. For me the heavy feeling was caused by the side stick. It’s took me many hours to train my hand to hold this properly. My left hand is very much weaker than my right hand.
Great breakdown Mike! I always wondered what it felt like to fly one of these myself. All the planes I've flown are little rinky-dink planes too.
I have almost 2000 hours in my SR22, love it!!
Yep plan to check out in a Cirrus. Thanks for the report.
I’ve watched your videos before, and enjoyed them, but you seem more near in this video. It’s more relatable, keep it up !
We must all learn to analyze things from a point of view of balance between what we observe when looking at new equipment with modern technology and it is not possible for us to make a direct comparison with old equipment and equipment from past generations. We need to know how to respect our opinions and have the common sense to learn to accept new technologies.
I have a 1989 socata tb20. It has very heavy controls, and high wing loading so it really cuts through the chop. It cost me way less to own and operate than a g7 or 6,5. To each their own, but unless you really fly a bunch, 7 fig for a plane that sits in a hangar a lot.... it's a lot. I fly in Hawaii, where is really inter island only. I know my airports, working on my IFR now. I'm really not so sure that the advanced avionics ever add anything for me. I'll keep the extra $850k
Buy one Mike!
Very interesting Mike , question if your right handed does it feel odd controlling the aircraft with just your left hand? Thanks
The 22 is even more stable with higher wing loading and yaw damper.
The earliest Cirrus I have flown is the G2, this has airbags as well.
Woowwww , Good Job Mike, great from Brazil..
Hey Mojo I have always been a Cirrus fan boy and then I got to see the Diamond DA50RG, I’m in the process of purchasing a new plane and it is going to be a G7 or the DA50RG, I wanted to ask if you will get a chance to fly the DA50, if so call the people at Lifestyle Aviation to see if they would do a video review with you, thanks man.
Why won't they make a turbo prop, retractable gear version and just license the engine from Pratt or GE with a slightly larger BRS Caps system???🤦🤦
Lots of bells and whistles, and safety is top notch, but it's still a ridiculous amount of money for a non-FADEC equipped plane.
I had this thought as well. For a plane that has so much new tech aimed at reducing pilot workload, the lack of FADEC, while not a deal breaker, does stand out a bit . Aircraft manufacturers are constrained, however. FADEC is entering GA, but only in a few areas so far. Most of it is in small engines like Rotax used primarily in smaller experimental and light-sport, and in newer diesel engines, most notably Diamond. Diamonds are only modest sellers in the US due to being almost as expensive as Cirrus and Cirrus generally being a more attractive package. Also, there's no strong advantage to diesel in the US, but Diamond seems to be doing well in parts of the world where diesel fuel has an advantage over avgas. From what I've read, the traditional piston engine manufacturers do have FADEC prototypes but have yet to decide that the cost of re-certifying everything is worth it. Volumes in piston GA will probably need to increase for that to happen, but cost increases may put a ceiling on that.
Excellent video, Mike!
Should I get a SR22T G7, a PA46 M350 or a DA42. The latter would be the only one I would trust through IMC since it is a MEP and furthermore it takes Jet Fuel and it has weather radar. I do rarely need to carry more than two POB, but want to fly over mountainous terrain and open water. Of course a PA46 M600 would be great, but it is simply to expensive. Any advice?
Piper Meridian….
Wow, if you got that kind of cash the Meridian is in a different league compared to the other two.
@@pisymbol ? A used Meridian is going to run less than a decked out Cirrus and less than an M350....
@@SamMose Check Trade-a-Plane. A used Meridian can be had for a mil or less. That's significantly cheaper than a SR22T G7.
@@pisymbol yeah that’s what I am saying…
Great video
How's the flight instructor the only complaint I have about Sirius is some of the owners unfortunately have more money than since and come into airports that are uncontrolled usually in a pretty unprofessional manner. But that could be my area of Northern Virginia. Having said that my family and I ordered a Sirius SR20 2 years ago and are eagerly awaiting it in q1 or Q2 of 2025. Very excited about it. I do agree with this video that it is a absolutely great family cross country machine. If someone wants to be an airplane for 5 and a half 6 hours straight on Eco Cruise mode to go really long distance that is their prerogative but most people don't want to be stuck in an airplane for more than 3 hours so the slightly smaller fuel tank is really no bother to me at all. The extra money that Sears charges for the SR22 really doesn't make sense to me. Nearly $200,000 more for basically two more Pistons and larger fuel tanks. The de-icing, oxygen system, fancy paint, everything like that is still extra on the SR22. So you're going to end up paying close to a million dollars for basically a slightly higher useful load and a little more speed. I'll save the money to pay for fuel for more trips ahead 😊
Your grammar makes me question your opinion.
SR20 is a trainer. That’s its primary target market. You are making a similar style of argument of why you should buy a 172 over a 182. If you are going to spend that kind of money, SR22 all the way.
I would not call the feel of these larger aeroplanes heavy, l have always experienced them as being more stable and predictable.
Q: What are your thoughts on the G7 being 'easier' to fly than the G6 ?
When are you buying one?
Great video Mike! Yea, the G7 is a fantastic cruising machine. Expensive, but worth it in terms of safety, comfort, speed and capacity.
But remember, the G7 sits on the shoulders of six earlier generation of SR2X aircraft with many of the same (though not all) performance and safety features. And these earlier models cost a heck of a lot less than the $1.4+M for a brand spanking new SR22 G7. So, you may want to do a comparison of the SR22 G7 with a SR22 G2, (which I have at KRDU).
Check out this video titled "Cirrus SR22- Lesson In the Clouds to Rocky Mount- IFR Instrument Approach to KRWI" (czcams.com/video/sas8RoX7pDo/video.html) or this Father's Day flight to Cape Fear, NC (czcams.com/video/lz-Li_E2x9U/video.html) showing the detailed interior (with glass instruments) and of course some great views while flying this magnificent albeit older machine. Let me know if you want to do a video comparison for your subscribers.
Great aircraft. But being from India I wish they had a diesel engine
What's wrong with airport plates on a kneepad?
Hi Mike!
How tall are you and how comfortable you felt in the cirrus i am trying to have some feedback i am 6 feet.
I'm 5'10. You will be more than comfortable in a Cirrus at 6 feet
Bro. How much is a cirrus G7?
Well said Mike!
Great video Mike! Yea, the G7 is a fantastic cruising machine. Expensive, but worth it in terms of safety, comfort, speed and capacity.
But remember, the G7 sits on the shoulders of six earlier generation of SR2X aircraft with many of the same (though not all) performance and safety features. And these earlier models cost a heck of a lot less than the $1.4+M for a brand spanking new SR22 G7. So, you may want to do a comparison of the SR22 G7 with a SR22 G2, (which I have at KRDU).
I have some great videos in the SR22 G2 posted on CZcams. Let me know if you want to do a video comparison for your subscribers.
Amazing
When you are so heavily dependent on technology in a plane. The first time there’s a problem with said technology. You may have problems that shouldn’t be a problem or one you should be able to easily overcome. I fly a TTX!
Awe, another Luddite! So, what about all the tech in 737, 747, 777, 787, Airbus 330, and 380? Look at those cockpits full of glass, not even a true wet compass to use. Interesting that commercial crash rates are lower than GA crash rate with less tech. The MTBF for steam gauge indicators is a lot less than glass! Most people are under a false sense of security regarding the reliability of steam gauge instruments.
So, the flying business should still be like in the 60s to be safe and real?? You may represent the usual “tech complainer” while enjoying the latest tech in your life or you actually drive a car from the 60s? Is your phone from the 80s? Is your computer from the 80s as well?? Ridiculous. Tech is making our lives better, safer, quicker and efficient. Like anything else, it may fail too.
@@Dan_C604 Once you start flying, you’ll know what I’m talking about. Until then, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about!
@@Tubefish07 so all aeroplanes with tech are bad or their pilots don’t know anything…….??
@@Dan_C604 Sounds like that’s your opinion because it’s certainly not mine!
Isn’t Cirrus owned by the Chinese?
It's only a "LIE" if you know that it wasn't true when you said it. Did you "LIE" or did you just make a mistake?
We don’t complain about the planes we complain about the pilots.
Ain't no way I'm paying 800k and not getting retractable landing gear.
Guess you won’t own one then….
Maybe in 10 years I could afford one.
Retired Delta. I could give you a saftey pilot backup. Be csrefuĺ.
What did you lie about?
No thanks. If I could afford one I wouldn’t. Plenty of other options that out perform for less. Chinese owned company. Unstable and unforgiving platform. Lastly I wouldn’t want to be in the same room with 90% of Cirrus owners.
Is taximap and checklist really a 500k$ system? :) when you say it's like a jet that's a hint that you have let yourself be fooled by the shiny sticker price.
What you get with a Cirrus is robbed :) they play to the pretense. rich fools wanting to feel special and Cirrus is only too happy to take their money in exchange for the lie.
It's probably well built, might even have some noise dampening materials like a car does. That doesn't mean a million dollars. They've made over 10000 of these planes. Economy of scale should be possible at some point but why sell them at 65k where they are profitable (overpriced engine and avionics aside) when people are eager to pay a million. You might also point out that SR20 is the same plane as SR22 aside from a turbo and leaking wings and that's 350k$ difference. That's a hint too. That's artificial price differentiation to milk two tiers of rich fools.
You can be sheep to slaughter or you can object and get a better world. One is better than the other.
Check on the price of a new 172 and get back to me.
@@lukebelvin4900 it was around 400k last I checked iirc. And?
And…the argument you made about the SR22 and its cost is ludicrous given the fact that a 172 costs 400k+ and is clearly not ‘worth” that. I’m not a Cirrus pilot, but your diatribe about the cost of the SR22 applies to ALL of GA, not just Cirrus. The fact is at least Cirrus has improved their planes over seven generations unlike Cessna which keeps trying to rehash the same design from basically the 50s (give or take). I will say this: You are correct that Cirrus has definitely positioned themselves as a luxury brand which helps drive sales. With that said, there is no question an SR22 is a great flying aircraft and the best selling GA aircraft for the last decade. Also, your comment about economy of scale shows you haven’t looked at how many they actually ship a year - hint: it’s a few hundred at best new. The other manufacturers are close to zero outside the 172. I don’t think a single new Bonanza was shipped last year. There is no economies of scale in this market. Period.
@@pisymbol great point about the 172 barely changing shit when a new generation is released.
@@pisymbol it's simply false logic that because the travesty 172 is massively overpriced that the SR22 is justified in being even more overpriced. It's true that much of GA is massively overpriced but not all and not to same degree. I was offered a carbon Design FM250 Vampire II for 83700€ which is a good looking light sport that's in practice vastly superior to a C172. I would say that's a borderline reasonable price, maybe even very reasonable for modest production volume. Whereas Cirrus has the vast majority of the certified piston market, having sold over 10000 SRs and their only economy of scale is greed. And I wouldn't be surprised if they are inept enough to incur big expenses for themselves like glitzy visitor centers and overhiring, otherwise they make enormous amounts of money. I did the math for the VL-3 production in eastern europe with salaries and factory rent etc and every month there is a private jet worth of profits. Every month. And they are 'only' overpriced at around 300k$ a piece. And it's including overpriced rotax engines and avionics. If we take the tractor engine and avionics out of an SR22T which is maybe 130k, the profit margin on the rest has to be at least 90%. That primitive old plane doesn't cost 100k to make. You can be fooled by the overall illusions or you can do a bit of intelligent napkin math on what things actually cost.
They make about 2 a day so that might be around 1.2million dollars profit every single day, not counting the visionjets. That's an Eclipse twinjet in overpricing every single day. For what would be a mediocre plane in 1980. A Cirrus SR is a very overpriced winged tractor with a bit of car interior. It doesn't have good aerodynamics, it doesn't have a good glide ratio, it's not pressurized, it doesn't even have retractable gear. And it costs a million dollars.