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- čas přidán 3. 02. 2013
- I recently found this violin and think its probably 99% chance that it is a fake, however could anyone tell me if it is or if there is a chance that it might be authentic? I appreciate any genuine feedback. This violin was found in Sri Lanka (Island near India). This was found in an old Portuguese Church after renovation a basement that was previously buried was discovered. Along with some old manuscripts this violin was among the items found. I showed this to a music teacher who said the quality was far better then any other violin he had previously played. Please note the inside inscription reads as Antonius Stradiuarius Cremonenlis Faciebat Anno 1713 (the 1 and 3 written in ink) then a symbol that has an ATS (the T could be a cross or anchor).
The way he just flipped the violin had me crying.
It's easy to tell. A REAL Strad burns with a bright BLUE flame when you throw it on the fire...
how to tell if is a fake i have a antonius stradivarius cremonensis faciebat anno 1725
NOT FUNNY!
a fatuous response.
ozwzrd I love your humour
Actually?
That's the 2 dollar violin I bought off craigslist. Thanks for finding it!
It's one of those century old Chocolate Gelman violins, I actually own an Amati and they did indicate it was made in Germany, no maker given. It's a decent $70 violin, made of all the proper woods (Cedar, Maple, Ebony) with a little tiger striping and of course aged wood by now. There is another torn up one/in pieces with an identical label in another video, I guess this answers the origin story of that violin, it is a century old German violin. They were not sold as forgeries but mass sold as student violins in music shops I suspect, Stradivarius being dead for centuries has no control how his name is used.
Looks like a John Juscek, Czech mass produced instrument. We had them in our High School and Junior High School Orchestra. They were ok for kids learning to play. Juscek makes high-quality instruments as well. This could be one. Can't tell until it's actually played.
Correctly: John Juzek - alt.: Jan Jůzek, Johann Juzek
More @: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Juzek
Well, the teacher may have liked the sound, but the way to find out if this is an old Italian violin is a bit of a reverse process. Most of us, myself included, have never examined one close up. One begins with what it's not. There is no sign of a grafted scroll, or even peg bushings, which would be common on a violin of age. This one looks to be about 100-120 years old. The varnish is of a kind common to Czech or German manufacture. Many violins were sold with Stradivarius labels. The labels were not even intended to deceive, inasmuch as the violins were sold as new. Best of luck with it, and congrats if it's a good player.
One helpful, serious comment - finally.
Not a chance! A poor copy.... Student grade instrument.
how i know if violin original or fake , we have 1917
@@tartareq9427 Stradivari died around the 17th century. . .
Nope. I have a 100 year old German-made "Strad" and it sounds wonderful. Isn't that all that really matters? Oh, and I only paid $10 for it at a flea market.
If the label says "Stradiuarius," it is a copy most likely made in Germany to sell for sears for cheap prices at the time about $2-$8 maybe.
Am I the only person that died inside when they rolled the violin on its bridge at the end?
cat not katniss nope. I hugged my violin for three minutes after seeing that
The bridge was leaning too.
eh, there's already a soundpost crack.
I have seen a dozen different Violins at flea markets and auctions and they ALL have the Strad labels inside.
A lot say that but that don't make them strats
stevemtc1 do you mean strads or are you talking about guitars
If it is one of the chocolate violins with wear, it's a century old mass produced German student violin. I own an Amati and it is made of good material, it is an armature luthiering project of mine to get better sound out of it and maybe strip the spirit vanish and refinish it.
Might be a fairly decent sounding violin, but it's no Strad, nor is it more than a hundred years old tops, probably. There are many thousands of such fakes around- I see them regularly in my workshop. But that doesn't matter- a violin doesn't have to be a Strad to be good, and some real Strads aren't that good anyway.
cheers from cool Vienna, Scott
do you think you can help me identify the one i have?
That bridge is leaning forward! Fix that
I have one (a family member) in South America near Argentina and Uruguay and I'm not sure how to tell if it is an original. He says down there that it absolutely is. He also said that it would cost 10K to have someone to examine it and verify that it is. I know they are worth millions and he knows that too. He has it buried under the floor boards in his house in fear that someone would kill him for it. Do you know of a cheaper way to authenticate it?
I would get an opinion from a luthier asking what the luthier thinks
Nope. The labels on real Strads have only the first digit of the year printed. Strad replicas have the first two, as is the case here.
Oh I've never heard that? What's the source of that please?
Yeah! Another smart 🍪
....As the man said to me when showing the $100 violin he had for sale, " It is a real Stradivarius.. says so right on that tag on the inside'".....!!
Имею копию скрипки страдивари, только не подделку, а именно копию.
Играет супер, всем нравится! Многие бросают свою и говорят "дай плиз поиграю!" ))) сочный и громкий звук, на соль и ре струнах басовитый, на ля и ми глубокий звонкий.
Здесь нужно играть на ней, главное в скрипке звук, а не её цена!
Everyone is a copy except the first one just like us it's all in how we sound when we play 👍🤓🌿🔥💨😶🌫️
Hello, you mentioned 1713. 1625 was the last year for one piece back, 1626 two piece back with a rib connecting both.
Carlos - There have been many one-piece backs on violins since 1625, including those by some famous Italian makers.
Mine has a 2 piece of back to n it's a 2 piece dated 168? I'm still researching it although many old violins also have repair labels on it that's when the research gets hectic & following the owners n reading old newspaper articles bout the violinists performing du u 🤔they had the real McCoy 😁😲😊
Remove the top plate and measure the topology of its inside surface with a laser scanner to see if it is carved in Strad's manner. See Wm. F. Fry's analysis for assistance.
It kind of looks like it but you got to give a sample its sound.
No it doesn’t look like a strad it looks like a 1980s copy
Não é um original, mas se trata de uma bela cópia, provavelmente alemã. Deve ter um belo som. Aconselho que estude e seja feliz com seu instrumento. Felicidades !
انا لدية نسخة اصيلة
Comprei um igual a esse no Japão. Alemão com 80 anos. Tem um som maravilhoso. Muito bom esse violino alemão. Faciebat Anno 17.
Facibat means copy of , hence this is the copy of the strad 1713 model . Also the person purposely didn’t show the part above the name Stradivarius, because it would have also been written there in small letter - “copy of “
Actually facibat means "worked in"
looks like a good copy made in the Czech Republic
Yes. The violin is entirely authentic. It is one of the earliest and worst examples of Stradivarius' "Classical" model, which is to say a masterpiece compared to any other Cremonese maker of the time, and it is worth a considerable sum, although selling it will surely result in calamity.
Do not worry about the fittings (pegs, fingerboard, tailpiece, saddle, button, bridge, etc) as they were added much later. The neck was modernized in the mid 1800s by the ill fated luthier and collector Taurisio, whose fate is legendary. It was one of the two violins found in his hands in his cramped apartment in Turin when he died. There was actually a race to acquire or destroy this violin when news of his death reached England and France. The obsessive luthier, collector, freemason and satanist Jean Baptiste Vuillaume, inventor of the diabolical Octobass, rescued it alongside arguably the most famous violin in existence, the 1716 Messiah-Salabue Stradivarius, which is on display to this day in the Ashmolean museum at Oxford.
Facibat Anna was the name of Stradivarius' faithless third wife, who tormented him with her public affairs with Joseph Guarneri del Jesu, whom she considered a superior maker. He, or one of his sons, bitterly dedicated some of his lesser works to her in a fit of irony driven by economic necessity in his later fits of madness. 1713 was the year she died.
This violin is cursed and should be dealt with carefully. The only other 1713 Stradivarius in existence belonged to the doomed composer Joshua Hancock, who drowned in his bathtub after learning of the return of Haley's Comet in 1758. The Heaven's Gate cultists who committed mass suicide in 1997 based their entire philosophy on the demented compositions of this tortured genius, banned by the Church and only surviving in fragmented form as the occult opera known as "The King In Yellow."
This violin was thought lost after Vuillaume's death at the hands of assassins hired by the notorious London firm A.B. Hill and Sons, whose bows are coveted to this day.
Under no circumstances should you attempt to play it, especially tuned between A429 and A441.2. Seek professional help, as merely abandoning, selling or destroying the violin will result in the direst consequences. Remove this public display at once, as there are orders of violinists in this world who would use it to the darkest ends. Avoid the damned Mercer and his ilk.
There is a professor at Miskatonic University in Arkham, Massachusetts named Dirk Stratford who may be able to help. I am truly sorry for you. Best of luck...
Dribble Throttlewort Hey Dribble will u please provide me your mail id. I some how got an old violin long ago. I need to know if its real or fake Strad as its written inside
I have already risked a lot by tracking the 1713s down. I know much but the truth is the more you know the worse it gets. Hope it is not authentic. Under no circumstances listen to Tartini's "Il Trille du Diable" , Paganini's "24 Caprices", or Mercer's "Ghosts" as these pieces played on certain instruments will open doors you will wish closed.
If you want to know more you can contact my agent at His name is Dirk Stratford. Make sure he knows Dribble Throttlewort sent you and that you are dealing with a potential Cremenoid of the Ancient Order. Mention the composer "Joshua Hancock" and he may respond. Do not send a picture right away. A reading of the label should be sufficient for his initial estimation. Include whether or not parts of the label are printed or handwritten. He may ask you for photographs or recordings.
I will check with him after I return from my travels.
Best of luck!
shut ur bitch ass up
Me too, can I have ur mail? I want to ask about my violin
@Dribbel Throttleworth 😎😂😈😂😈😂😈😂😎
If the tailpiece was original, it wouldn't have the fine adjusters for the strings.
Having said that, if it looks and plays like a fine old violin, then it probably is just that.
Lucky you.
Ur so absolutely right!
I just wanna say, based from what history taught people nowadays.. Based from the writing of the paper inside there, supposedly, before the year 1730, which the paper wrote there, 1713, there is no usage of the letter 'v', for the word Stradivarius. Instead, during that period of time, people used 'u' as in Stradiuarius. That is the only one matter that nobody look into, when making a super serious copy of strad violin. Even after the year 1730, people still use the 'u' for 'v' sound.
Just by looking at the scroll and changed in colour of purfling, it surely seems real. But, the tailpiece, strings, and pegs surely aren't. Real Strad tailpiece should have only one fine tuner. Because 4 fine tuners developed later, by Antonio Stradivari's sons, I think, haha. The piece of paper inside wrote 'Stradiuarius'. So, congratulation mate, you just found a real Stradivarius violin. It may worth about at least 5k us dollar. So, take care of it well. Don't bother read the scamming comments of other people. Ok, bbye!
One more, the paper actually says Antonius Stradiuarius Cremonenfis Faciebat Anno 1713. By Antonio Stradivari, in Cremona, Italy, Made on the the year 1713. Usually, fake Strad violins wrote only the last number using ink. If 2 numbers, usually real. That's all. Make sure to revarnish the back ok. It's ugly!
High possiblity also, this violin was made by Stradivari's son.. like 90% possibility.
Shahbiq Sofian only the #1 was printed on a strads certificate the last 3#'s were hand written.
A real Strad had his cell number next to his name.
Funny!
I could do without the spooky music. In fact, I will.
i have one that looks just like that and we got it professionally looked at and he said that he dosent think it is authentic
For sale?
This reminds my of the "alien autopsy" video put to music...
Sorry, This isn't even close. So many people come to my shop with what they think is a real Strad. All you have to do is look at it and do some research. It is a fun game. When I started in the business 40 years ago I went through the same thing. I don't look for a Strad. I look for some of the other great Italian and French Violins and some German instruments.Wish I could give you better information but just enjoy the fun of looking for good violins. Don't forget the Bows can be worth a lot of money and are harder to figure out. Go to Violin shops and learn. Merry Christmas.
Then maby u need 2 look @ mine it just might make ur my day!
Please get in contact with me
Hola. Estoy aquí en California. En dónde tiene este Violín. Si lo vende cuánto está pidiendo por el.
Si lo vende haga favor de contestarme mi mensaje.
If that's your best footage of the label then you might be well advised to revise your equipment, amigo!
What is this music?!
Honestly, I'm sitting here in the dark, at nearly midnight TERRIFIED!!! :Z
At first glance the f holes are to high but I'll keep looking
Crazy background music!
Violin Stradivarius original Is it for sale?
music title?
NO this is not a real genuine Stradivarius violin! It is most likely a fair copy of one. Notice the label inside the violin. It has two numbers stamped and the rest are hand written! Stradivari only stamped the 1 and wrote by hand the rest of the year the piece was made! So what you have obviously has been modified heavily with modern fine tuners and is most likely some sort of German or Checkoslvakia violin. Worth maybe $300 at the most!
The bridge needs to be moved a lot
habe 2 stradivari geige wi kan ich sech sin di rishtig oder kopi ?
German Copy.....Note the paper sticker hallmark logo (Cross in circle) and spelling of Stradi >u< arius (Not with v).....I'll give you 4 bits for it.....or you could just play the bejeezus out of it to annoy the neighbors cats. Have fun.
If it was made in 1713, then "u" would be okay for the golden age of the master. About the years before 1730, the master used the Stradiuarius name on the labels, later on the Stradivarius.
substandardpoodle.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/real-stradivarius-labels.jpg
However, the typology of printed characters is not Baroque at all, but there are other differences on the sticker. Moreover, the quality of the violin does not refer to any Cremona masterpiece.
That bridge is HELLA leaning forward! Fix that :D
I'm sorry but it's not a Stradivarius. The wood quality is far different
I agree with u!
Yes I tink so
I found the music irritating, and had to mute it. As far as the violin goes, I knew the instant I saw it it was not a Strad, even the most casual of glances would tell you that. Sorry.
a strad with 4 fine tuners...sure it's a strad
yes
Looks to me like a 400 year old replica
There are no original Strad violins that I am aware of. All the existing Strads either had the necks ripped out and replaced with the modern variety, or else had a piece spliced into the neck to lengthen it. I doubt anyone living has heard an unmolested Strad with all its original parts, gut strings, and short neck.
It's an 1000-3000 Germsn Stradurious Model, Not an original
I agree with u a German copy even the dark wood! Key holes & all !
BY looking at the varnish I would say no. But if you want to know for sure take it to a violin shop and see what they say.
I have one with the same label. It's a east german violin from around first world war
There was no 'East Germany' until 1949.
I think I have a stradivarius amno 17 given to me by my deceased grandfather. he came across the violin when he worked over seas back in the late 30s. could this be original?? The label inside blends into the wood..
I think you mean 'anno' - latin for 'in the year'. Amno does not appear to apply here - it means to 'shake hands' in Spanish, and does not exist as a word in Italian. Your violin is not a Strad.
Do you have an original Stradivarius violin I want to buy it from you!
@@user-oh1iq1ej1w real og strads cost tens of millions of dollars in American money do you have that much
Yeah not a chance plus the label says 1773 u do know that he died on 1737 right?
Ur Right there I really couldn't c it until u said the year butt someone said 1717 or perhaps 1713 butt he did die n 1737 good 👁️ 🤔
Absolutely NO Strad, for sure. It looks horribly made. Sorry to ruin this party... It is probably a cheap copy.
Fabric
textile?
Musical -> TEN$ION Dangerous In Afternoon
Wrong font print
Strafe don’t have 4 fine tuners
Son fabricados por sus hijos. por eso dice cremonefis... Saludos. Otra cosa, casi ningun violin italiano de esas epocas tiene su laca original...
Pretty easy to tell it is not as the 7 is not hand written !
Even if the 7 was handwritten the violin would still not be a Strad.
Fake for sure. The vanish is horrible. The bridge costs £1. The head is ugly shaped. The finger board is around a few years old only. The font of print in the label is the same as the font we are using now. The most typical example is the digit. I am sure Iwill find more issues if look closer. Very very low quality...
Where to begin, it is not a real strad, because. Strad labels were made of cotton, not paper, which hadn't been invented yet. Strad had labels printed with only the 1 showing and hand wrote the last 3 letters according to year, such as 1699, 1700, 1701 etc. This violin has spirit varnish which was only used after Strad died, he used only an oil varnish and he would not have varnished the neck, yes to the scroll but not the neck. there are many reason that this is a copy. Buy the book by the "Hill" family about Strad. written a hundred years ago, they are the final word on his life and work.
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'Where to begin" - Paper was invented in China during the Eastern Han period (25-220 CE). Papermaking reached Europe as early as 1085 in Toledo, and was firmly established in Spain by 1150. By 1276 mills were established in Fabriano, Italy and in Treviso and other northern Italian towns by 1340 - over 300 years before Stravarius started making violins. Strad labels are made of paper made, during the 18th century, from flax or hemp fiber. Cotton was first used for paper making in the 19th century.
No. It's German. There are hundreds of thousands of such factory instraments
if it is, then the previous owner was an idiot. It still looks to be a good violin, just not a strad.
No 4 fine tuners
The intro music told me this was a joke. Even questionable claims have quality classical music and a British narrator.
I laughed loudly.
NO
Read the label! A product of Asia. Duh!
Hi to everybody, why fake?
The scroll isn't carved the way Stradivari carved his scrolls. The varnish is wrong and the f-holes are carved terribly. Also, the wood is not high quality.
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Turkey Balıkesirt to exact original Stradivarius violin in 1713 sealed the guarantee I talked to sahipiyl Armenians after a team come across and carbon testing done photocopy machines, such as with anything they measured from all sides have taken samples from the adhesive used on time within which play the violin until brass them 2-3 hours to examine 12 people this orjinalt the saying goes, but The owner, whose price is not understood, is descended from the Sultan Abdülmecitten
It seems to be because of the label, but does not seem to Be as antique as an original Stradivarius, sorry 😔
No, this is south Germany 1890-1900. Sorry, You better donate it.
At least that old maby newer like 1910 yeah!
And no the inside said ececuted in 1712 and Antonius Stradivari started making violins in 1719 and the last 3 letters in his violins where written in pencil
Stradivari started making violins in 1660s.
Antonius Stradivarius started making violin's n 1660 somewhere close 2 that n he made violins for Amati n also his 2 sons followed his footsteps butt u probably know that !
It is a copy, may be very good violin. If you see inside say "stradiUario" with U.
Stradiuarius are German, 19th century.
The label is a fake. Take a look at the preprinted portion of the date. There is something about that date that will tell you it is a fake. Look closely.
The varnish is wrong, the scroll is wrong, the f-holes are carved wrong, and the quality of the wood is terrible. Why even waste our time?
Very definitely a 19th century "factory" violin. Wrong in every aspect for either Strad ot Guarneri.
in what ways is the shape wrong for both Strad (who made more than one pattern) and Guarneri?
Not even close.
No, I expect it's just a model Stradivarius (fake).
It's a copy, just like you have Les Paul Epiphones, or Telecasters that are not made by Fender. There are copies and copies of copies.. Play it. That's all that matters.
My Antonio Stradivarius looks just like this and says the same thing in the inside on the same paper am
No print. I sure wish
I could find out for sure. It was my grandfathers he left it to me.
Not a real strad most likely an old German copy
@@alexmurphy4697 how can I find out whether it is a copy or not. It's in really great shape
@@karenbaconhoward9185You can get a professional to check it. when I got mine checked he said it was most likely not authentic but he also suggested we double check with someone else. ..
fake. only the 1 in the yr numbers was printed. the other 3 numbers were hand written. and two, stradi didnt even put tags in his instruments !
Stradivari may not have used nickel plated fine tumors at the time.
There were no such things in the 18th century, they were invented to fine-tune metal strings. Stradivarius used gut strings.
if it's got a laquer on the neck, then it's a fake.
This is definitely the "Gibson/ex-Huberman" Strad. So Josh Bell is an owner of a cheap fake violin of the same name for $4M.🎻😜😎
Nope, A real strad has hand carved pegs and those pegs are what I found on my cheap violin... and they aren't even pushed in properly! It's nothing more than a poor copy.
Ur so Right 🤗🔔🔔
spooky music...
violin stickers NEVER lie . if it says strad then that's what it is $$$ !
You’re stupid if you think labels never lie. It’s a cheap copy, and if you look, you can see the violin label has printed on. Stradivari always hand wrote the labels with ink. Besides, there are only 600 or so strads, and all of them have been accounted for. Plus, it has fine tuners! Fine tuners are NEVER used on Stradivarius instruments!
mine is spelled with a ,u
no
Of course not! It's a cheap German factory production line fiddle!
Made in japan
IMPOSSIBLE IMPROBABLE IN(CONCEIVABLE) almost certainly a copy
انا عندي كمان إيطالي من صناعة( انطونيو ستراديفاري )صنعت في عام 1721 يعني عمرها 300سنة للبيع
Is it real?
I've done a little research on mine n I'm still complexed! 😳Although the varnish glows n the pegs r right n the black is worn off from the tail piece butt ! 328 years that's kinda hard 2 Believe need a Willow wood to expert dontcha 🤔😲😬😬
No it's a repro..ohh wait did you roll it😔😫
Hello. This is a beautiful copy of the original Stradivarius has no seal. Sorry.
It Not a Strad, Allso No One Would Take So Bad Care of It, A Student Violin,