Crown Molding Fundamentals: The Simple Key to Crown Molding Success
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- In this video we talk about the fundamentals of crown molding. We discuss the simple concepts of how to perfection at the miter saw transfers to perfection on the wall for installation. The concept of consistency is the foundation of all crown molding techniques.
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(0:00) Intro
(0:42) Consistency is Everything
(2:04) Consistency of Position
(2:47) What It Means to Cut Nested
(4:10) Why is cutting crown nested superior?
(7:24) Pitfalls and Mistakes People Make Cutting Crown
(9:13) Cutting Nested Gives Installation Advantages
(11:29) How Crown Projection Changes if Cut at the Wrong Angle
(15:54) What Happens to Crown Corners with a Poorly Calibrated Saw
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Good man great knowledge
If I buy any tool online which I haven't yet lol it will be through one of your links 👍
@@darkdayz8277 Thanks! Its much appreciated.
@@InsiderCarpentry How did you get started in this business? I'm trying to decide between learning what I can on youtube and getting started, or finding a finish carpentry business in my area and getting a job with them. I've got the capital for tools and a vehicle and a high attention to detail, but know I'm lacking in experience. Learning as much as I can from CZcams, and your channel and Finish Carpentry TV are both great.
Paid my dues. I worked fort others for 8 years before I started in my own.
I am a rough carpenter of 18 years and feel you are as good at your trade as I am at mine. Eventually, every rough carpenter needs to learn some finish to improve his skill set... Very interesting to learn your secrets. I do a lot of trim work on the side, and you have saved me a lot of time. Specifically pre-assembling casing and trim with CA glue. Before, I nailed everything piece by piece.... By piece and by piece and by piece...until it was perfect. It took forever. Thank you for your no BS vids.
Happy to help.
I recently retired from the industrial world and now do home remodeling, I have decent skills, but crown molding has been my biggest challenge! I am a very detailed craftsman, and your video is a great resource! I have painstakingly learned many of your techniques the hard way, through trial and error! You are spot on pointing out real world problems, no wall or ceiling is square and true, and 1 degree off causes gaps! Most videos don’t point this out! I have found cutting sample test pieces to calibrate your saw is very valuable. Popping a chalk line on the wall to line up the bottom edge is an absolute! Good information, well presented, wish I would have found you sooner!
You and Finish Carpentry TV have saved my tail...and made my money! Thank you guys!
Haha! Me too!
HOLY SMOKES--that tip about manipulating the projection position (and twisting the crown a little on installation) blew my mind. Can't wait to try this out.
I had this problem the other day. Thank you for these videos. I cant even begin to tell you how much they have helped.
I love your attention to detail, Spencer. You are a true craftsman. I envy your passion for what you do. I was a sheet metal worker for 37 years and loved ( most) of the trade!
Thank you thank you! You are an amazing teacher you knowledge is priceless.
Best Trim Carpentry Videos on CZcams Hands down!!! Thanks for all your hard work and awesome explanations Spencer!
You're a man of your word! Thanks for sharing the fundamentals of crown and this great video. Thanks for sharing Spencer as always your setups are sick!!
Awesome explanation, great video, carpenter and trim carpenter for 40 years and never heard it explained any better. I love that Bosch angle finder, I had to get one after watching Gary Katz on video. All the best my brother. Keep the videos coming!!!! Al from Maryland
Great explanation. Cutting crown accounting for the upside down and backwards positioning on the saw always confused the hell out of me until I bought Gary Katz’ dvd on crown. Totally changed the way I thought about it and now it’s a breeze.
Thanks for the knowledge, I'm a young carpenter and hopefully one day I will be able to help other, just as you help me here! Happy holiday.
You are a great resource for up and coming finish carpenters...hope they all watch and listen to you .... carefully!!
As a finish carpenter myself I enjoy checking out your videos to see your methods/techniques. You always have very solid well thought out advice. I’m truly amazed that anyone with a room temperature IQ or higher would thumbs down your videos.
Thank you. Thanks to you I made a perfect crown. I’m restoring an antique German wall clock. The part above the top crown was missing. I do not know what it looked like but I thought I could extend the top crown and make it look good. I followed instructions from other teachers and I messed up because I don’t have electric tools I just have one of those gizmos to cut frames for pictures. However, you did show a trick that allowed me to cut a crown that fits. I found you instructions logical, easy to follow and easy to modify and adapt to my situation. Again thanks
Wow amazing insight. This information is never easily given away. I truly appreciate your willingness to teach! 🙏👏🙌
Changing the projection when you were talking about crown molding lining up with the doors was awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Seriously. Mind blown. As a cabinet installer, dealing with out of wack ceilings can be hell.
@@BenMarvin Yes I’ve been there it can be a bear!
Worked on homes where we didn’t make the crown fit the wall angle,we always cut true angles then shimmed out to make the wall/ceiling meet the true angle and back filled or skim coated when really bad. Most though only required less than an 1/8” fill maybe 6-12” long on either wall/ceiling. Same technique on tall 3 stage base molding. Best scenario is installing in a panelized room where everything has been shimmed out for true,level and square.
Fantastic, as always! Thanks again for taking the time to make these!
i have been watching your channel for a long time now and just wanna say thank you. i9 have took my own skill-set to a whole other level practicing these methods. i am most definitely going to tell viewers on my channel to watch this channel if they already don't. from seattle WA, thanks man and keep up the excellent work.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and skills you will never know how much you have helped me
Great content as always Spencer. Thank you for posting.
What amazing teaching. I don't do this for a living but will help me when doing it for myself or friends. Thanks so much for taking the time I FC going the extra mile. 🙏
You are a total boss! Master carpenter and teacher. Thank you for all the awesome information.
Great video and very clear explanations. Keep up the good work!
Spencer just ordered a new Mikita 12” Miter Saw & Stand I got a good ride out of my Bosh Axial Glide but i could never get it to cut consistently ? Who knows ? I watched your video and tried & tried? It would cut dead on then it was out? Then I found a cracked head in it and well that was that! I had two dewalt fixed that pulled some weight also!
So I am excited to get this Saw up & running; & calibrated!
Great video I saved it to my file for pull outs on the job when questions arise it’s like walking “With Spencer”!
When I get jammed! Thanks buddy you hv no idea how much I truly appreciate that! Now I gotta get a price on that 2’ angle finder!
No problem. Bosch actually sent me a bosch axial glide to to test and use for free. It got it out of the box and the deflection was so bad that I never even bothered to use it. Definitely not a saw I would recommend for precision work. Hopefully the Makita works well for you. I have had good success with the DW716 and DWS780xps.
I heard you say you almost bought a Mikita because you liked to couple extra degrees it gives in the miter cut!
I personally like deWalt but I have a set up area in my shop where it works best right up to the wall! Since Mikita & Festool R supposedly the two precise zero clearance saws I took Mikita over Green one! I hv heard from several guys the green one can not take daily use & long periods of cut after cut like DeWalt , Mikita, Metabo (although not exp with the new Metabo).
You could teach Spencer I spent bout 25 yrs training others I know what makes a good teacher! 1st u hv to know your stuff period! And u hv to hv command of a room or area where you teach! Meaning you walk in it goes to no BS zone like now!
You hv it brother!
I started late as a carpenter but my body is not beat up?
So I wish you the best Brother work towards a credential or certification to teach at a community college level!
That is once you R ready to step back ?
You still hv your hand in it but the backup plan in place!!
Excellent advice. You’re very good at explaining things. Very few people are naturally skilled at teaching, and I’m sure apprentice carpenters are thrilled to get you as their mentor. One comment that is completely unrelated to your topic that I kept thinking about while watching this video is regarding your tool belt. And I hate to sound like the typical “old man” here, but I would strongly urge you to strip as much weight out of your tool belt as possible particularly when doing tasks like finish work. The best carpenters often have the best tools, and they also are often the most prepared which, when in their 20’s and 30’s, usually results in ultra-equipped tool belts. But even the best carpenters cannot build anything when the joints start going in their 40’s and 50’s. Besides the typical knee and shoulder issues, I ended up with hip pain that I attribute to years of wearing an overloaded tool belt. You’ll feel naked at first, but eventually you’ll come to appreciate the light weight agility and you’ll be surprised at how much energy you have at the end of an eight hour day. I now start every shift with an empty tool belt and then only add what I need for that day. And if it’s questionable, I leave it on the bench and just grab it as needed. No more 23 oz framing hammer hanging there all day practically unused while I’m using the finish nail gun; no more partial strips of framing nails that have been sitting in the pouch from three jobs ago; no more 35’ tape. Every ounce matters. The future you will thank you. And the other tip I always give younger carpenters: spend $75 on a high-quality kneeling pad. Because the worn-out hips hurt, but when the knees go, you’re screwed. Keep up the good work!
EXCELLENT!!! Do another video and go through the steps of the various corners in an average home, step by step from finding angle to nailing up.
That was the most helpful breakdown of crown I've seen yet! All I wanna know is, have you done a video rundown for that fence across the bottom of your saw?! Cuz I was seeing that in my mind the last couple days and then saw it ON YOUR SAW and was like, OF COURSE he's already done it!
Mad props for all the time you've taken to help the rest of us Spencer. Your acts of service go A LOOOOONG WAY!
YOu do an awesome job explaining the important things . Thank you for taking the time to do this for novices like me. I've been in industrial maintenance all my life and did a lot of most everything but never enough with wood. Now that I'm retired I'm doing this as something to keep me bust yet make my house more attractive. I've always wanted to do this and I've started already. I did one small hallway with traditional MDF and another with Polystyrene. I live in SC where it gets humid so I'm staying away from MDF but I wanted wood. Wood is more pricey and a little harder to cope. I'm try9ing to stay away from coping. I'm in a brand new hose and so far Most of my corners and very close to 90`. Polystyrene is not as flexible as I thought bus so far so good.
Thanks a million. Great video. I'll definitely make sure to fellow these guidelines for my future crown moulding and all finish work jobs. 👍👍👍
Spencer,
Another great video! Keep up the good work.
Thank you Spencer. Another great video. Very helpful. For those struggling with Upside Down and Backwards. Try standing behind your saw to look at it. In my mind, i could see it better this way.
Spencer great video. Keep up the awesome work, your a legend.
Very good detailed video, thanks and keep up the great work. Love the table, im going to make one now.
Best crown molding video on CZcams!
Amazing video, as usual ! Always learn some pretty big things from your videos, really amazing content man!!! Wish I knew the trick to cheat the projection a few years ago!
Great video, Spence! Enjoy that Sun Mountain bag!! Since kids, it’s been tough to get out and swing... I find myself living vicariously through you. Keep up the awesome solo work and the training! I’m not production (more along the lines of TRG), but your experience is priceless. On my way to grab the Bosch angle finder...
Love your content, please upload to other platforms so we can continue watching in peace. Thanks!
Who gives a thumbs down, and if you’re that good, put your money where your mouth is, and post some videos. My god, hating just to hate.
They're just trolls. Angry bitter little trolls with empty lives.
@@moeszyslack4676 yep!
when you notice how much knowledge, practice, experience real craft men have, then you understand their prices.
You are a great teacher. Thank you.
Most people can grasp cutting crown nested easier than they can grasp the flat method. I have always cut crown flat, regardless of the size of the crown. I am an engineer and I have always been able to envision the corner that I'm cutting. My first compound miter saw was an 8-1/4" Hitachi slide, which was the very first large capacity miter saw. I had to cut all of my baseboard flat as well as my crown because of the limited depth of cut. I found that I continued to do so even after getting a larger capacity saw years later. It just seems funny to me that we pay extra for a compound miter saw and don't use the bevel settings. You make good videos.
Likewise. I imagine my angles from left to right as if you're reading a book. Long to short, short to long,short to short, etc. The left word describes left and right describes the right side direction. I never flip my saw I just learned to manipulate the wood. Once you get it, its easy. Always make your long cut so you have something to hook your tape to and remind those you teach that the back and bottom is what you reference your cut and measurements to bc that is what lays on the wall.
Another great video and so far I can c is a very hot topic!!! For me the way I cut is flat only for kitchen cabinets cause I always have exact and can no make mistakes and the boxes usually are pretty square but when I do all the room have to be nested . Is faster and you can accommodate the angle according the corner...
The calibration is absolutely paramount.
It is an absolute, living nightmare to install crown with a wack saw, especially on painted cabinets where you cannot caulk.
Great videos, wish it was posted back when I started 😀
Best explanation I've seen
Advanced technique tip blew my mind!
As always, pure GOLD at #InsiderCarpentry! Thanks for sharing and happy holidays Spencer. 👽
Same to you!
Thank you so much for all you teaching us!
I would like to make a mitter stand like yours!
Spencer. For such a young guy you sure have your ducks in a row. You've evidently had some good men teaching you over the years and now you can pass this knowledge along. At 66, I haven't had much opportunity to do any trim work much anymore. I loved doing it and also in building furniture. When my wife passed away, in 05', I pretty much put my shop in mothballs and haven't done much since then. I would have loved to have found your channel years ago when I was more active in woodworking. You are a fine craftsman and a good teacher. You explain things in a way that people can understand and you do help others in that way. I could have learned a few things from you!! I look forward to your videos and I am still going through your old ones. Keep up the good work. Do you solely work in Indiana? I live north of Dayton. Who knows, maybe someday we might meet. Take care and continue to do quality work. Ron
Well done Spencer Great Video have a good weekend
Years ago my cheap boss bought a miter saw from a pawn shop . Rusted circa 1492 . Built a jjig at the 31.8 and had to cut crown with a skilsaw . . Granted it was exterior but it. Worked fine .. I don't recommend but sometimes . You gotta solve the problem .It's a ballet of sorts . A knowing .magic .a dance . What the eye sees .. When running into squirrly framing that lies beneath .. . After 40 years .I am confident I can run crown around a twisted cypress tree lol and make it look like .. It was meant to be
Great info! Thanks.
Guys who can cut nested are good. Some of us cannot visualize upside down and backwards, so we have to cut flat. Just the thought of walking backwards and upside down gives me a headache. Kudos to you guys who have the ability.
That’s funny. I look at it just the opposite. To me it’s way more confusing cutting on the flat. It’s all what you’re used to I guess.
Thanks Spencer for a very informative crown lesson. Next time you discuss crown, please consider showing how you deal with transitioning from a horizontal run to a tray ceiling. Thanks
Great video. Thank You
Awesome ! Thank you for sharing
I had that exact situation about a year ago. I had go chase out an inch from one side of the kitchen to the other, on the cabinet crown. Every corner was a different projection, 10 of them to be exact. It took some time but the reveal was consistent all the way through.
Those are the installs that separate the men from the boys.
@@InsiderCarpentry Indeed. I didn't install the cabinets on that job either, but they wanted the same crown as the rest of the house got, to run around the cabinets as well. It went around the entire room, kitchen and dining area. Then they painted it to match the cabinets, since they matched the whole trim package to the cabinet color. It turned out good, it just involved a lot of minor adjustments to the crown stop. I'd have to cut one corner at say 2 5/8" projection and on the same piece, cut the other corner at 2 9/16" and so on. Every corner was different, even if just by an 1/8.
Good job, Spencer.
My first time I installed it upside down🤣.
Thanks for all the tips.
Yesterday I struggled, bosch saw on a Bosch gravity stand with tiny factory crown stops.
I helped a friend of mine out for a couple of weeks in a cabinet shop and he’s got one of those Bosch 12” sliders. Spent most of my time tryin to figure out how to swing it left and right. Dust throwin rascal also. For me, I like the simplicity of the dewalt. I’ll never forget the day my old boss came driving up with 2 of em in his truck. 12” single bevel. We were in awe of them. Around 91-92 I think was the year. Lord have mercy, you should have seen what we had been using.
I like the explanation of the crown on ceiling
Your 100% right the miter Saw needs to be perfect calibrated!
I compound miter my crown so I can take some out the front or back of the cut. Which I do at every corner. I install like it's going to be left natural but I've never been on a job that wasn't going to be painted. 🤣 When you can wow everyone before paint even the painter you did it right 😉😎 most underrated channel on the tube brother 👍
I have never installed crown... thank you for the heads up!!!
Thanks for the tips! I ended up making one of those nesting jigs. The glue is still drying. I cant wait to try it out.
*A lot of valuable information*
Thanks Spencer
PS next video
Crown & bullnose trim around outside corners
Will you touch base on how you hang long pieces of crown by yourself? I know you’re a one man show so how are you putting up 16’ pieces??!!
Yep, I hope to cove that in another video. No big secret though, All I do is use a 10d finish nail to hold up one end.
Nick Farmer I use “helping hands” poles for long pieces. Also let’s me install cabs by myself. They are great.
I've used the nail trick and I also use Fastcap crown hangers (I think Ron Paulk has a video on them) on the occasion I have to put up MDF crown which anything over 8-10' is like tacking up a wet noodle.
I use an L shaped bracket with padding on the bottom and a slot cut on the top. It is screwed through the slot (slightly loose) to the wall so the bottom holds the crown while I pin the other end of the crown. Then I slide the bracket out (leaving the screw behind the crown) and pin the rest of the crown into place. I sometimes use a pole but the brackets are smaller (more portable) and safer. I've had poles fall over.
That is very good and useful content Spencer you explain very well thank you Happy Thanksgiving God bless to you and your family
Same to you!
Excellent Tutorial
Glad you liked it
Dude, you and Finish Carpentry TV were the no 1 lifesavers when I decided to renovate my home by myself. Now one year from not knowing anything about carpentry or woodworking I've started building my own woodshop. Having so much fun! So thank you and keep it up.
great video.with your jig that holds your molding in place how do you read the angles, if you need 47 degrees how do you see it .also when you said you change angles if ceiling is out and adding crown to top of cabinet, do you still glue your crown and you have the flex in it to make it fit and the glue holds your miters.
Very knowledgeable the best on Utube I use a Bosch 12 inch with a Forrest chop master that just dedicated
Good job!
I use both methods of cutting crown and both have their advantages. With very large crown, you pretty much have to lay it flat. I find handling big heavy crown like 7" walnut much easier lying flat. You can slightly back cut outside corners without changing the projection, also known as spring angle.
Also Spencer, did you know that the Bosch miter gauge can calculate the bevel and angle cuts for you when cutting crown laying flat? I use it often and it works perfectly.
Yep, I was aware of the levels capabilities for crown. But I haven't ever needed to use the function with my workflow. Its good to know I have it though for if I ever do need it.
Great work 👏
Nicely Done 👍🏽 Happy Thanksgiving Day To You And Your Family 🙏🏽💙🎄🦃🎁
Awesome.
1 more added element to good results.. Measuring accurately, Maybe you can do a video on that.
How to read a tape measure?
I caulking your corners covered in the next video? LOL. Seriously, this was a great lesson.
Great video and tips. I’m doing a room crown project on our 1928 bungalow. I’ve done rooms before however much newer homes we owned. In the past I’ve used the flat cut compound cut method in the craftsman miter manual. I like the method you show, molding is the same as no top or bottom. Can you describe the proper setup for inside R and L cuts? Thanks, Kevin
Another great vid mate. my flex volt saw is perfect at 90 but out .2 too left and .1 too left have you ever had that? seems like it is pretty major ordeal to get in there and fix that. It pretty much forces me to cut my moldings flat.
Have big issue with bad framing and walls that are not straight. Would you happen to have a video addressing this? (Couldn’t find). Or do you have any recommendations on how to tackle? Thanks and great vids and information.
TY Sir.
Saw your instagram post of your unfinished home. Truly inspiring! Wonder what gems you've installed in your own home .
Great video.. did you make the crown stop or can I buy it?
Ordered some stuff thru your links, least we can do for all those lessons.
Can you explain please on what’s the best way to measur a crown moulding
Cheers Dave.
The Bosch is a great tool, but an inexpensive angle finder is a Sawset Pro/ see Sawset.ca for a great tool. As a retired contractor you explain it well, with detail. THanks
Thank you
I value your time and energy put into videos to help people, but I need some help with somethin I don’t kno if you can even make a video on. I’m a very versatile tradesman. What I struggle with the most is not physically doin the work but knowing, or deciding what trim to use and when to use it. I know there’s base, chair, crown, and all that but how do you decide the exact style for a house? What rooms get crown, does all the trim in a house have to match or can rooms with different styles have different base? Do I pick one and buy the contractor pack at Lowe’s and go to town on my whole remodel ? Base dies into door casings, do all windows get casing that matches doors?
Great videos Spencer. Really enjoy watching your channel. Quick question. 15G or 16G nails when hanging Crown and accent wall mouldings? Trying to decide which new Milwaukee cordless finish nailer.
I like a 15 and 18. I don't use 16 personally.
Great video!!
I have been a finish carpenter for 18 years.
I always do this with my crown.....
Miter crown
Cope baseboard
It’s the right way to do it
Perfectly illogical. 👌
Never had to go back and fix a miter joint (knock on wood) and this is years later..
Can’t glue a cope or a butt joint that’s why I only use it on base.
Use a 22.5’ on splice joints and a backer board. This way all joints are tight and the movement is at the top and bottom of the crown where the caulking (painted) and vein line on stain.
Keep up the great videos !!
You’re one of the rare individuals that I’ve heard from that actually has good explanation. Having the miter in order to glue does make sense. However, with real wood the movement at the length of a board is extremely minimal. I’m more than comfortable with coping for that reason. And a feel like if someone can saw that coping is “the right way” for baseboard, I don’t understand the logic of say that mitering is “the right way” for crown. Both methods are perfectly acceptable and have their advantages and disadvantages.
I like a butt joint with biscuits for crown and a back strap across the back of the joint. For me it’s faster and easier to line up and also very strong. I’m going to show that in some videos coming up.
I agree on the fact that wood doesn’t move on the long direction of the grain.
I’ve had to go back to do service calls when I used to cope inside crown joints would always open on me.
I’m talking about house movement and seasonal change
You Probably don’t get into caulking or filling nail holes on those higher end jobs. but what has also saved me a lot is switching to “big stretch” caulking. Caulking the top and bottom of the crown on painted trim. I’ve installed crown in some houses that the crown separates from the ceiling or the wall almost 1/8”-1/4”. You can get it at home hardware up here in Ontario.
Can’t wait to see the next videos
Where can I find such a continuous miter crown stop as yours or something else similar to that?
Nice 👍
When I started over 35 years ago I never had a compound saw and had to use coping saws. My question is does it matter to you if its a left or right cope. I always got a perfect fit doing left copes. I only did right ones if I had to on a room with no outside corner. Do you find it easier to do one over the other
I'm right handed so I cope whatever end of the board is to my right. Since I cut crown upside down and backwards in the nested position, even though I'm coping on my right, its actually the left side of the board at install.
Did you fabricate the circular moulding on the ceiling and if so can you do a video,thanks for sharing your great work.
There will be some upcoming videos on that. But no I didn’t fabricate it. It’s plaster.
Your video is eye opening. Enjoyed it very much, however there is one question I'd like to ask you since you have more experience than I. I have worked with several skilled tradesmen and watched a multitude of videos and I have questioned one item that I feel is extremely important in installing crown molding. Many people say that you must nest the crown against the fence AND the table of the saw. I have found on several occasions the crown is NOT manufactured with a 90 degree surface on these two edges. The edge which rest upon the ceiling is angled slightly and only touches the ceiling at the very edge. This is done so as to cut down on the amount of surface the crown engages a crooked ceiling. I have been taught that the BOTTOM of the molding must be flush with the back fence of the saw and that the top edge should just make contact with the table of the miter saw. Using this information, I have never had a problem with the nesting process. To me, this makes sense, since the BOTTOM of the crown must rest flush against the wall and the top only needs to meet the ceiling. Granted many crown moldings will nest against both surfaces, however, some may only rest flat against the fence and barely touch the table of the saw because of this angled edge. I hope I have explained my concern accurately. Would appreciate your thoughts on the subject.
My thoughts...it doesn't matter. I'll talk about spring angle in an upcoming video. You should adjust your crown to your desired spring angle if possible.
My thoughts. I chalk a line on the wall. So the flat part of the backside should sit flat to the wall. Variation is absorbed on the top edge of the crown, the ceiling. The ceiling is where you want to have that extra relief to fit tight. You don't need it on the wall because you're following a chalk line. Hope that makes sense.
Awesome video. I thought you used to 45 everything and use hipur and bend it?
thanks